US Soldier Speaks Out Against Iraq War and 9/11 watch!
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- Conwaysb0718, on 05/09/2008, -148/+28Well, unless this guy got a dishonorable discharge (which wouldnt suprise me in the least) they can find him and prosecute him since he''ll still probably owe time for obligated service. Just sayin'...
- bohemianowl, on 05/09/2008, -9/+42we're all on borrowed time...
- mark076h, on 05/09/2008, -8/+38after you do your 4 years you are in inactive reserve and you can speak your mind about the war, even if they called you back in they could not prosecute him for anything he did or said.
- debuggercll, on 05/09/2008, -2/+11This rule applies to enlisted personnel. Officers aren't allowed to speak like this even after discharge.
- sealbeater, on 05/09/2008, -4/+16That's kinda funny. All these guys are dying "supposedly" for freedom and the American way and all that and they can't even enjoy their rights under the First Amendment
- marcomc2, on 05/10/2008, -3/+4Its not funny at alll.
But yeah, I know what you mean..
***** This War.
- marcomc2, on 05/10/2008, -3/+4Its not funny at alll.
- Conwaysb0718, on 05/09/2008, -2/+8sealbeater: havent you ever heard the soldiers lament of "dying for a constitution that doesnt apply to them"?
- sealbeater, on 05/09/2008, -2/+4@Conwaysb0718:
I have actually, I just don't understand it. It just seems very strange that you can be a citizen of the US but the Constitution doesn't apply to you. - Conwaysb0718, on 05/09/2008, -1/+4Im not saying I agree with any of the stuff I've talked about up above or below, I'm just stating how the military legally and administratively works as it applies to those who still have time left on their contract after their EAS date.
- sealbeater, on 05/09/2008, -2/+4@Conwaysb0718:
- sealbeater, on 05/09/2008, -4/+16That's kinda funny. All these guys are dying "supposedly" for freedom and the American way and all that and they can't even enjoy their rights under the First Amendment
- Conwaysb0718, on 05/09/2008, -1/+8The UCMJ still applies to you even after you're in the IRR. They can ***** test you and change your discharge paperwork if you test positive. That, and if you have been in the military you know that they find ways to make you slip up. Once you are labeled a bad apple, that label sticks for a long, long time.
- debuggercll, on 05/09/2008, -2/+11This rule applies to enlisted personnel. Officers aren't allowed to speak like this even after discharge.
- analogkid01, on 05/09/2008, -6/+19Really? You're "just sayin'"? And that's all?
- Conwaysb0718, on 05/09/2008, -5/+4Yep, just saying that they could come and get him if they should choose to. and that's all.
- OutAndAbout, on 05/09/2008, -0/+17Wik says that he has received a less-than-honorable discharge and will not be court-martialed.
- ChappyChaps11, on 05/10/2008, -0/+0Wiki? The thing that anyone can edit? Oh jeez well, that's fact I guess. And just why wasn't he given honorable I wonder.
- skipdog172, on 05/09/2008, -17/+17It really startles me how many people here seem to be cheering the fact that this guy refused to serve his time that he signed up for. I am against the war, but if you join the military, you serve your time. It just startles me how many people here believe more soldiers should do what he did and just leave. I know many in the military and I respect their service greatly. I want them to come home as soon as possible. I just don't have respect for this kid.
- sealbeater, on 05/09/2008, -12/+19if more soldiers had the courage to do what this guy did, perhaps atrocities like the War in Iraq wouldn't happen as often.
- ChappyChaps11, on 05/10/2008, -2/+2That's stupid. If you join you serve. Who wastes 6-13 weeks (depending on branch) to go to boot camp, another 1-8 months to learn your MOS and just walk away. It's not courage that makes you walk away from the vows you took to serve your country honorably, it's cowardice.
You take your *oath* to protect your county. This guy ran away to Canada. It's not courage. And besides, the Army is like 1 million+. even 100 soldiers, 1000 soldiers going AWOL doesn't stop wars anyway. Wars aren't won on the battle field anyway, it's all paper work. Do people die. Yes they do, that's on your politians.
As I've repeatedly said, I have no sympathy for AWOLers who joined after we went to Iraq. They KNEW we were going. They knew THEY would go.
Even though he says he though we were going to free them and blahzy blah, he KNEW he would deploy. He's just looking for hand outs. And yes, I am in the military. - mike17032, on 05/10/2008, -1/+3This asshole lacks courage, and honor.
- NiGHTSChao, on 05/11/2008, -1/+4So I'm an idiot if I volunteered to supposedly help save the country and I'm really just killing innocent people with my soldier buddies?
I'm all for "saving the country" but there isn't anything worth saving and there is nothing to protect it from- ChappyChaps11, on 05/11/2008, -0/+2Well ARE you killing innocent people? If so, then my answer is yes. All I am saying is that your an idiot if you join and then go AWOL. I have more sympathy for people who joined in a peace time and were thrown into this but he joined after the war started and acts all surprised that he has to deploy.
I've said it once and I'll say it a million times. He was not given orders to kill innocent people. He wasn't. You don't have to be in his unit to know that. He probably assumed that because he was high or something. Note he sold drugs before he joined. And he joined because he was "broke, so, whatever." He couldn't make money selling drugs? It's not that ***** hard. It just goes to show that he just isn't very smart.
- ChappyChaps11, on 05/11/2008, -0/+2Well ARE you killing innocent people? If so, then my answer is yes. All I am saying is that your an idiot if you join and then go AWOL. I have more sympathy for people who joined in a peace time and were thrown into this but he joined after the war started and acts all surprised that he has to deploy.
- ChappyChaps11, on 05/10/2008, -2/+2That's stupid. If you join you serve. Who wastes 6-13 weeks (depending on branch) to go to boot camp, another 1-8 months to learn your MOS and just walk away. It's not courage that makes you walk away from the vows you took to serve your country honorably, it's cowardice.
- sigg14, on 05/09/2008, -7/+13so if you joined the military you are supposed to do whatever they make you do regardless of how wrong it may be? even if you joined because you were lied too about our mission and purpose there? nazis in the Nuremberg trials were "just following orders" maybe they should have all been pardoned because they signed up for service and had to do what they were told?
- Conwaysb0718, on 05/09/2008, -0/+7Instant obedience to all lawful orders.
- Jlaugh, on 05/09/2008, -2/+5An after the war you'll be hung for following orders...
- Conwaysb0718, on 05/09/2008, -2/+6hung after for war crimes or shot during for disobedience... either way, outlook not so good.
- Conwaysb0718, on 05/09/2008, -0/+7Instant obedience to all lawful orders.
- LokitheComplex, on 05/10/2008, -1/+4That's kind of moot. The US army appears to be suffering from low morale caused by doubts over the purpose of the wars.
- daizaru, on 05/10/2008, -1/+5So because he joined up thinking he was helping people he deserves to spend 3 years killing innocent people and living with that on his conscience? You sicken me.
This man has more courage by dodging and speaking out, than the people there still fighting out of fear of repercussions. I respect the service of all soldiers, but respect this guy even more.- ChappyChaps11, on 05/10/2008, -1/+11. No commander gives these orders.
2. He joined during a time of war, as did I. That's courageous.
3. He ran away from his duties after taking an oath to uphold the constitution and defend the country from all enemies foreign and domestic. He in turn went AWOL.
4. If he was indeed given orders to shoot civilians then it wasn't an official order and the person to give that order and all who followed the order would be prosecuted under the UCMJ. Was he prosecuted? Apparantly not. Do I therefore believe it happened? No. Do citizens get shot? I'm sure they do but not under direction of official command.
5. Going AWOL is cowerdice, if he had a problem with "being given a command to kill everyone" then why didn't he go through his command to resolve the issue instead of just going to Canada? How is that at all helpful? If this issue was brought to command then it would have been settled. Platoon > Company > Batallion and on, somewhere, it would have been dealt with.
I see no courage in going AWOL. He deserves no respect for this act. If he wants to speak out, cool, let him. But he's not a problem solver, I will say that.
- ChappyChaps11, on 05/10/2008, -1/+11. No commander gives these orders.
- ChappyChaps11, on 05/10/2008, -1/+3Um no, you report the criminal orders to the proper chain of authority. He obviously would rather run away.
- copypasta, on 05/10/2008, -3/+3Yeah, follow your orders and go right over your NCO's head. That's real smart. You're obviously either too brainwashed to think for yourself, or you're not in the military at all. I was in, however, and if we ever tried to question an order given, no matter what it is, we would have been UCMJ'd.
- ChappyChaps11, on 05/10/2008, -0/+3Hey dumbass. 1, I am in. 2, if your NCO's are telling you to kill innocent people then you are supposed to jump them and go to SNCO and if they don't listen you go to the CO. If youre NCO's try to get you in trouble for that then THEY get charged. I'm thinking you got out as an E1
- copypasta, on 05/10/2008, -2/+0Hey faggot. I'm thinking you got into the military right out of high school and have never had a stable job. No matter if you have a job in the military or you have a civ job, you don't go over your direct NCO/supervisor's head or your in big *****. I've seen it first hand.
- ChappyChaps11, on 05/10/2008, -0/+2Well you seem pretty smart. so your telling me if you have a problem with your boss you do nothing? You're a joke dude.
- Conwaysb0718, on 05/11/2008, -0/+2is "UCMJ'd" an old school term for "NJP'd" (non judicial punishment)?
- copypasta, on 05/10/2008, -3/+3Yeah, follow your orders and go right over your NCO's head. That's real smart. You're obviously either too brainwashed to think for yourself, or you're not in the military at all. I was in, however, and if we ever tried to question an order given, no matter what it is, we would have been UCMJ'd.
- BlacklabelSAR, on 05/10/2008, -1/+2Yeah I remember reading about the American Revolution and how the Founding Fathers wrote a nice essay to King George asking if they could please just stop sending money back to England. And because the Founders went through all the proper channels, King George allowed the colonies in America to become independent. It turns out that not a shot was fired. So the take-away is that when you are being lied to and oppressed, always go through the proper channels.
Just like in Corporate Culture where they ask for feedback, and that it will most assuredly be anonymous, so go ahead and be honest. "You can trust us".- ChappyChaps11, on 05/11/2008, -0/+1It's funny because the situation is so similar..
- shig, on 05/11/2008, -0/+2You have a right to refuse any unlawful order. Kill innocent people or do a few years at Leavenworth? Easy time, chummer.
- sealbeater, on 05/09/2008, -12/+19if more soldiers had the courage to do what this guy did, perhaps atrocities like the War in Iraq wouldn't happen as often.
- Stettenbauer, on 05/09/2008, -5/+9That is not true.Unless there is a draft it they are still "volunteers"under law.They will not tell you that of course .I know from first hand experience I was in for 10 yrs. and planed on staying until all this nonsense started.
- Conwaysb0718, on 05/09/2008, -3/+8If he still has obligated time left on his contract he can be called back involuntarily at any time with mandatory orders. And if he disobeys those orders he'll be considered UA.
- IdevInull, on 05/09/2008, -1/+3Wow - you are completely wrong...
- methos75, on 05/10/2008, -1/+1How is that wrong, its true that you can be recalled at anytime once on your on your inactive time.
- CryRightardCry, on 05/09/2008, -3/+4That would be the plan of the GOP and right wing extremists.
Attack those who disagree and have come credibility, since the rightard warmongers lost thiers.
They'll make plenty of veiled threats like that one suggesting that maybe if this guys doesn't shut up he'll be punished for not supporting the Bush lies.
The implication that if he disagrees with the lies and stupidity he'll be treated as a traitor by the traitors in the White House? WEAK.
But honestly it's EXACTLY the sort of unethical thing the GOP does.
Yeah, you are right. This kid has trouble coming his way.
I'm sure he knew it.
Kudos to him for having the courage to stand up and speak his mind! - sikofitt, on 05/10/2008, -5/+4Your probably right, because he's a free thinker. The Army doesn't like free thinkers. Are you still looking for WMDs? Jackass.
- Conwaysb0718, on 05/10/2008, -0/+3I'm a jackass for making an unbiased, matter of fact statement? I am neither for nor against what this guy did. Most of you just digg downn assuming that because Im stating what the DoD can legally do and not do, that I'm some warmonger who wants this guy hunted down and tried for warcrimes.
- BlacklabelSAR, on 05/10/2008, -1/+2Remember in English Comp how students are asked to read a few paragraphs and then write what they thought the main point of the article was? How well did you do on those? I ask because you just missed the point by a mile.
It would be like someone finishing a course on the Holocaust and commenting that Hitler had a funny mustache.- Conwaysb0718, on 05/10/2008, -0/+2Why I made the comment... Because a good percentage of everyone here seems to have a lot of misconceptions on how contracted military service works (apparently even the guy who supposed served for 10 years is confused) and what the military legally can and cannot do. I made the comment stating that even if the guy makes these allegations, he can still be prosectued for a myriad of things at the whim of the DoD. However, most seem to think that because I "barney-styled" the possiblity of someone getting trouble for statements made after active duty, yet while on inactive service going against the government, that I'm some pro-war guy. I didnt miss the point, I just chose to look at it from a DoD point of view and point out to some diggers that people can (and do) get in trouble for this kind of stuff.
- redcolumbine, on 05/09/2008, -23/+159Whoa. Worth taking the time to watch.
- TheNinjaJesus, on 05/09/2008, -5/+17I agree, that is some of the realest ***** you will ever see/hear...it's worth a watch.
- LeeSoong, on 05/14/2008, -0/+1meh. I want to see The Onion version of the video:
'' Iraqi Holy Warrior Speaks Out Against the Iraq War. ''
' U.S. Troops Send Them Home! '
- LeeSoong, on 05/14/2008, -0/+1meh. I want to see The Onion version of the video:
- sheebz, on 05/09/2008, -18/+6Um no it really wasn't, the guy is a crazy cook who can't make a single lucid point.
- Doktag, on 05/09/2008, -0/+14Crazy cook... like the Swedish chef on The Muppets?
- SlayerX91, on 05/09/2008, -3/+15crazy my ass man, anyone who's ignorant enough not to listen to this REAL AMERICAN HERO is crazy. This country is born on the premise of questioning your leaders, we broke away from our government to CREATE THIS COUNTRY.
- LukasSmith, on 05/09/2008, -6/+2Wolf man is a real American hero? not.
- asspants, on 05/09/2008, -1/+7I understood all his points. Would you please tell us what he said that was so crazy and retarded and then tell us why it's crazy and retarded so we don't all have to be crazy and retarded?
- sheebz, on 05/09/2008, -7/+4Um, he said 9/11 was a government conspiracy - check
Flag Upside Down - check
sleves ripped off - check
osama bin laden beard - check
Used to Deal Drugs to support is illegitimate kids - check
Currently AWOL, hides in canada - check
Cant speak in coherant sentaces - check
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Yep he's KOO-KOO BANNANAS - boot20, on 05/09/2008, -3/+3How about we start with: "9/11 never happened" and end with: "give me money."
- asspants, on 05/09/2008, -4/+7that's not what i meant, not your personal opinions on why he's stupid. the question was pointed at the guy who said he "couldn't make a lucid point" which would mean that every word that comes out of his mouth was gibberish and was somehow not making coherent sentences.
now regardless of whether or not it's true that "9/11 is a government conspiracy" or if he has an upside down flag on his torn sleeved jacket. you can't say he's not speaking english or make sense.
you responded shebz, but you really shouldn't have because now we can clearly see what a dumbass you truly are.
Not making a coherent argument has NOTHING to do with an upside down flag
it has nothing to do with the ***** clothes he's wearing either.
just because the dude has a beard does not he can't make an argument
***** i'm getting tired of typing the diahreah you tried to sell as reasons he can't make a lucid point
plus you spelled coherent wrong, and then sentences, then you resorted to juveinle name calling, koo-koo bananas? you can't even ***** spell banana! and in all capitals? why because it's cruise control for cool?
nothing in your entire response had anything to do with the question I asked and we're all dumber for having to read it.
I'll give you another opportunity to respond.- sheebz, on 05/11/2008, -2/+1Asspants, you might want to take the time to read the post i responded to before you go fly off the handle and making yourself look like a complete douche. Here's your original post I was responding to:
"I understood all his points. Would you please tell us what he said that was so crazy and retarded and then tell us why it's crazy and retarded so we don't all have to be crazy and retarded?" - nice ***** grammar btw *****.
Now go and read my reply again... Make more sense? Ok, since you've proven that you're retarded, I'll spell it out for you.
1. His speech wasn't lucid, or clearly thought out...
2. Why he so "crazy and retarded" (your words not mine, i said hes a crazy cook)? Because he thinks 911 is a conspiracy, because he wears the us flag upside down (you might want to google what that means).
3. He can't make a lucid point-the original post. Well, he doesn't seem to be able to think out what he wanted to say, he was rambling all over the place. If you want to disagree with that, please enlighten me as to what his points were instead and how they were so clearly communicated.
4. YOU MISSPELLED "Diarrhea"!!!!. Don't rip my spelling if you can't even spell check your own post douche bag. Beyond that your grammar is ***** horrible. You couldn't write a single well formed sentence in your entire post.
Thanks though for giving me a laugh; you really are a moron. Good luck with that. - sheebz, on 05/12/2008, -2/+1HAHA, you fail douche.
- asspants, on 05/12/2008, -0/+1Wow, sorry, didnt think you would come back. You could have just sent me a shout, but stalking works too.
1. Once again you've made absolutely no new points you just keep saying the same thing over and over.
2. Crazy/retarded crazy cook, same ***** difference. You're name calling -not making points. I do understand what the flag upside down indicates, this still does not provide any ammunition for your argument that he's not making "lucid points"
You yourself still haven't made a single point. you're calling him out for his clothes again, and have backed nothing up, lets try again dude. why should I have to enlighten you about how everything he said was clearly communicated, you're the one having trouble understanding what he's saying. How about you tell me the minutes and seconds and I guess I'll put it in different words that maybe you can understand.
I'm not defending any of his positions, rather I'm defending the fact that he's speaking plain english and coherent sentences, and don't care what his outward physical appearance is because that doesnt affect the way he holds his mouth when he talks.
4. That was foolish to calling you out on spelling when I myself do make spelling and gramatical errors, but I guess that makes about as much sense to do something like that, as it does to say someone can't make a lucid point because he has a beard similar to osama bin laden.
Thanks for making yourself look even stupider by responding. I didnt even have to come back and it looks like you've already been dugg down for spouting nonsense.
- sheebz, on 05/11/2008, -2/+1Asspants, you might want to take the time to read the post i responded to before you go fly off the handle and making yourself look like a complete douche. Here's your original post I was responding to:
- sheebz, on 05/09/2008, -7/+4Um, he said 9/11 was a government conspiracy - check
- boot20, on 05/09/2008, -13/+4Why was it worth watching? He kept alluding that he thought 9/11 was fact, he couldn't make a single coherent point, and babbled on about "helping the soldiers." All he wants is a hand out so he doesn't have to do anything.
- LukasSmith, on 05/09/2008, -19/+5Piece by piece analysis:
1.9/11 wasn't a lie. It happened
2.Working at mcdonald's wont get you anything.
3.other drug dealers dying in the streets is my problem how?
4.ahhaah white trash complaining he isn't white enough.
5.We went to Baghdad just to kill innocent people. yeah right.
6.We are in Afghanistan buddy dealing with the terrorists with our allies. Our very ***** allies.
7.Wow you brothers went from drug dealers to soldiers. Nice.
8.War sucks people die. thats what soldiers do. So whats your point?
9.Yes kill all the people so there are no people to attack us. I'm so sure that was a military policy.
10.I see buildings still standing.
11.why were the majority of Shiites polled after Americans invaded happy that Saddam fell? Why dont Americans know the Shiites are the majority of the entire population.
12.Yes the whole point is to kill everybody. why are there still people alive?
13.Soldiers know what they are signing up for buddy.
14. I'm tired of handfuls of hippie soldiers hiding in Canada complaining and thinking one person in a video should make us think our million soldiers are all against this war.
15.I owe you nothing buddy. Your a disgrace.
16.This video brought to you by a drug dealer.- cJw314, on 05/09/2008, -6/+5"Your a disgrace."
Pot? Meet kettle...
2nd grade English, ftw! -.-- Stonekeeper, on 05/09/2008, -2/+3Aw! opportunity lost! "Your Retarded!"
- LukasSmith, on 05/09/2008, -9/+2I knew if I made long sentences you would say something like TLTR. You hippies can't read more then a few words at a time. Actually now that I think on this, why is it so difficult for hippies to read?
- chewbie, on 05/09/2008, -3/+2all the weed, man...
what was I saying. Did I make a point? - iticu, on 05/09/2008, -3/+4What? He stated his opinions, you stated your opinions - and somehow you think you're right and he's wrong? Just because you wrote alot?
And you also feel the need to insult him. (with bad grammar)
Sometimes I don't know if you're a troll or not.
- chewbie, on 05/09/2008, -3/+2all the weed, man...
- SlayerX91, on 05/09/2008, -4/+6Haha! True that man. This guy is a ***** r-tard
- copypasta, on 05/10/2008, -1/+1r-tard? What are you like 12?
- mike17032, on 05/10/2008, -0/+1Says the kid who posted "***** you ***** faggot kill yourself." in another story.
- copypasta, on 05/10/2008, -0/+0Stop stalking me.
- copypasta, on 05/10/2008, -1/+1r-tard? What are you like 12?
- greenm1981, on 05/09/2008, -3/+7Your analysis makes you look less intelligent than the vet you are attempting to criticize. I suggest you go enlist in the Army, since you support the war so much.
- LukasSmith, on 05/09/2008, -7/+3hmmm. your analysis proves your rather stupid. The only reason you find me unintelligent is because you think I support this war. Why do I find you unintelligent? Because I never said I supported this war. And the only test you based your analysis of my intelligence on was support for this war. So, actually your intelligence seems pretty weak. But you have friends here. Plenty of druggies and pacifists here to make you feel good about yourself.
- greenm1981, on 05/09/2008, -2/+3No, I find you unintelligent due to your utter lack of coherency in every single comment you post. My criticism of your "analysis" was based on its inability to analyze anything. You set it up as a point-by-point analysis, yet it was just a series of illogical ramblings.
- LukasSmith, on 05/09/2008, -5/+3I watched the video. I commented as I watched. Nothing so difficult for you to grasp. But yes you like all pacifists have only one criteria for lack of intelligence: support of this war. You will not convince me otherwise.
- cJw314, on 05/09/2008, -6/+5"Your a disgrace."
- UrbanSage, on 05/09/2008, -8/+2Haha look mom, a douchebag! Do you think he's related to Bush?
- drmangrum, on 05/09/2008, -12/+14Actually, no. Here are some things to consider before you digg me down.
1) His CAC said he was a private. You have to ***** up a LOT to still be a private after 2 years in. Army and Marines have fairly quick promotion rates.
2) He fled to Canada. He VOLUNTARILY joined the military, AFTER 9/11. He's a coward and a weasel.
He makes a few valid points, but for the most part he's trying to play the victim and get his 15 minutes of fame. I find the idea that he saw "his brothers" die in the numbers he claims highly suspect. I doubt he was even in a combat unit. Most platoon commanders would find this guy way to unstable.
I've NEVER heard any commander give an order to fire into crowds of people as he claims, quite the opposite. They drill into your head on who is and isn't a combatant. LOAC and UCMJ is very clear on these points.- DSPoh, on 05/09/2008, -1/+8The CAC he shows was an old one. When he left the Army he was a Specialist (E-4).
- cryptoki, on 05/10/2008, -2/+2If anyones critical of anything in regards to the conflict, there's always a dozen guys with your perspective that will try to rip their credibility apart, whether or not you know for sure, the story is false or not (for sure). Every other GI that has a story like this cant be false. I'm thinking some are, and others are not.... Either way, there used to be a time in history when the will of the people, ruled over the absolute will of the govt and corporations. No... I'm not one of those, all companies are bad, all govt is bad types either. I think the majority of Americans just want to see the troops come home. Thats really why these types of stories get so many hits.
- 533n, on 05/11/2008, -0/+1A coward and a weasel? ***** you. As you sit in front of your computer. Go ***** yourself, this guy has had people shooting at him, and you talk like you know something. You little *****, why don't you go suck bushes ***** and keep calliing soldiers cowards.
- 533n, on 05/11/2008, -0/+3***** Bush, ***** America, stupidest people in the world to vote Bush in twice and follow this ***** moron
- floatingorb, on 05/13/2008, -0/+1That he was "voted in" is kind of a strong assertion, though.
- TheNinjaJesus, on 05/09/2008, -5/+17I agree, that is some of the realest ***** you will ever see/hear...it's worth a watch.
- OgniAsuob, on 05/09/2008, -12/+173"What's our mission, what's our goal..?" Good question.
- richmomz, on 05/09/2008, -2/+24Take their gas and kick their ass. Oh, you meant the "official" mission? Uh, spread peace and democracy and all that good stuff. And find those WMDs. Yeah.
- SlayerX91, on 05/09/2008, -0/+5Heh, very true.
- hardD, on 05/09/2008, -6/+1not
- Stonekeeper, on 05/09/2008, -2/+5You sir win the internet.
- SlayerX91, on 05/09/2008, -0/+5Heh, very true.
- frostbyt, on 05/09/2008, -2/+10I thought mission was accomplished.
1. To make money
2. Control the oil
3. Start taking over the world- synthpop, on 05/09/2008, -2/+7"start"?
- richmomz, on 05/09/2008, -2/+3Well the "control the oil" bit hasn't been working too well. Prices have tripled since the war started.
- djlethal, on 05/09/2008, -0/+9Well. Pretty sure Exxon netted thier biggest profits this year
- mattrh, on 05/09/2008, -0/+4Control the oil meaning "turn off the pumps". Intentionally lower the supply and the prices will skyrocket, bringing in huge profits for the oil companies.
- hmunkey, on 05/09/2008, -1/+4We haven't really made money, lost $2.2 trillion, but some oil companies made money.
- StratoStreak, on 05/09/2008, -0/+3Alot of companies are making profits at the expense of the American taxpayers and American lives.
- digitaldarkness, on 05/09/2008, -1/+2I'd tell you but then they would have to kill me.
- LukasSmith, on 05/09/2008, -9/+1I don't understand why there has to be some complex conspiracy theory attached to our being in Iraq. Could it be OMG we just made a mistake? You might say well thats impossible. But I say it is more then possible. In fact this mistake has happened twice more in the last ten years. IN 1998 Clinton bombed Iraq after intelligence indicated that there were nuclear weapons in Iraq. We know now there are no weapons. In 2004 Obama declared that Iran was our biggest threat and because we were bogged down in Iraq we couldn't send our military forces to face a real threat like Iran. Of course intelligence was proved false yet again. Obama and his party remained silent about the Iran revelation. In fact now Obama supports peace talks with the very country he once approved using our forces against. This can prove there is some great conspiracy theory going on or maybe that American intelligence agencies just suck asss. We will never know I think. But just assuming the worst is not solving our problems or making our news or intelligence agencies any more accurate.
- DSPoh, on 05/09/2008, -2/+12This man is a member of IVAW (Iraq Veterans Against the War), which is a great organization. I recently joined after I returned home from a tour in Iraq back in December and it's something I feel good to be a part of.
If you are interested in supporting IVAW, please visit the website at http://ivaw.org/
IVAW has called for and all members have to agree to this in order to sign up:
* Immediate withdrawal of all occupying forces in Iraq;
* Reparations for the human and structural damages Iraq has suffered, and stopping the corporate pillaging of Iraq so that their people can control their own lives and future; and
* Full benefits, adequate healthcare (including mental health), and other supports for returning servicemen and women.- OldNumber7, on 05/10/2008, -0/+2I've met a lot of great guys from IVAW (and been arrested with a few). Thank you for speaking out and being part of their organization, our troops and our country deserves better than the raw deal we've been handed by our greedy leaders.
- LukasSmith, on 05/09/2008, -9/+4Call away you few thousand soldiers. You won't change anything. And you dont speak for our millions of servicemen who continue to bravely and willingly serve. I can't believe some losers hiding in Canada can say they are helping out other soldiers by hiding in Canada and pretending their tiny numbers will cause change. Or for that matter that our millions of soldiers actually support their cause. Oh well dillusions are a normal American problem. And why would you deserve my honor and respect? Your hiding. Not serving. Your just another bum on the street to me.
- monroylobo, on 05/10/2008, -2/+6And you're just another guy who misuses "your" to me.
- TruthKid, on 05/10/2008, -0/+3Well I know our unit we pulled security so iraqi's were able to go to vote without getting killed, we did bi-weekly humanitarian missions where we'd give dozens of children shoes, clothes, toys, and school supplies, also on the humanitarian missions we'd have a medical center open for locals to come get checked out and get medicine they needed. Oh we'd also provide security when mayors requested US presence, and we'd also build schools, hospitals, and improve iraqi infastructure. So overall I'd say yes my infantry battalion is pretty ***** evil. Get a clue, you'll never hear the good soldiers do in Iraq because this war makes so much more money via the media as long as its completely evil.
- 533n, on 05/11/2008, -1/+2As if Americans give a *****. America has been killing innocent people for decades.
- richmomz, on 05/09/2008, -2/+24Take their gas and kick their ass. Oh, you meant the "official" mission? Uh, spread peace and democracy and all that good stuff. And find those WMDs. Yeah.
- Phillzz, on 05/09/2008, -62/+21***** bush, with his ***** goverment, i don't like islam, but this is crazy what he is doing
- yumlum, on 05/09/2008, -2/+14i hate him too and his policies
- dshPls, on 05/09/2008, -10/+6And you have BDS.
- rex84, on 05/09/2008, -2/+32It's a lot bigger than Bush.
- BESTenemy, on 05/09/2008, -0/+5Vietnam, Korea, Gulf War, Somalia, Kosovo, Afghanistan and so on. We've been fighting wars non-stop in the last years. We're enforcing interventionist foreign policy that hasn't changed since the day oil got first discovered. Like you said, it's not about Bush. He's no different that all the other leaders that sent our people to war. It's about us electing people that extend our own ignorance. It's about our refusal to treat others the way that we want to be treated.
- Witchbaby, on 05/09/2008, -5/+16What's wrong with ISLAM?? Nothing! It's the radical, fundamentalist Muslims that are the problem!!
- bbardlbradd, on 05/09/2008, -0/+6Yeah, there are tons of islamic people who are not over the edge about it, and protest against the idea that all people in the islamic faith are dangerous. It's a religion, I mean, look at christianity. How many different churches have their own individual beliefs (some insignificant differences and others crucial) on the same book, basically all christian? A lot, but people in America are not as dedicated to God, and whatnot because christianity is a fairly light religion in context of scripture interpretation and time spent on it, and really, how dedicated you should be to following certain morals and ethical standards, especially in comparison to organizations like the Jehovah's Witnesses.
Also, just because they live in an islamic country does not mean that everyone is religious. There are a lot of people in the middle east that were raised there, and grew up there, who aren't religious or have some different religion, just like america, even though we are primarily a christian nation (though, we are more free to do as we please, so there are a lot of religions here that you wouldn't find there, so it's more of a mix here). - Ford_Prefect2nd, on 05/09/2008, -1/+5I would say radical anything is a problem.
- bbardlbradd, on 05/09/2008, -0/+6Yeah, there are tons of islamic people who are not over the edge about it, and protest against the idea that all people in the islamic faith are dangerous. It's a religion, I mean, look at christianity. How many different churches have their own individual beliefs (some insignificant differences and others crucial) on the same book, basically all christian? A lot, but people in America are not as dedicated to God, and whatnot because christianity is a fairly light religion in context of scripture interpretation and time spent on it, and really, how dedicated you should be to following certain morals and ethical standards, especially in comparison to organizations like the Jehovah's Witnesses.
- source1984, on 05/09/2008, -4/+6you don't like islam?? really???? who cares what you like or what you don't like. Islam is a world religion that has existed for 1000+ years amongst all different countries, races and cultures. you hate it all you want, your hate does nothing to it.
- SmokinOkie, on 05/09/2008, -1/+3***** Phillzz and his ***** comments. Grow a brain.
- forgottenhope, on 05/09/2008, -3/+4Islam? You hate something that our governmetn explained to you what it is. Most of your definitinos of Islam come from the same media that profit from the death of the innocent.
- mark076h, on 05/09/2008, -3/+10if you think Bush is the head of this your an idiot
- asspants, on 05/09/2008, -1/+3I agree with what you said, but you can't call someone an idiot if you can't get the contraction of you and are right. Come back tomorrow and try again.
- asspants, on 05/09/2008, -1/+3I agree with what you said, but you can't call someone an idiot if you can't get the contraction of you and are right. Come back tomorrow and try again.
- yumlum, on 05/09/2008, -2/+14i hate him too and his policies
- soulkitchen, on 05/09/2008, -26/+120Why don't more people ask questions about 9/11? If we're going to base so many foreign and domestic policies on that one day, we should fully understand what happened and why right? I'm not saying that it was some huge sinister conspiracy, but there are a lot of unanswered questions. As just one example: Who funded it? We don't know this and the 9/11 commission deemed it irrelevant. How is that NOT relevant???
- 98percentcogdis, on 05/09/2008, -21/+10I was talking to a guy from Gary In. the other day and brought up 9/11 because he was telling me about a guy that built an igloo in a lot he bought in Gary, and how this guy heats his "radiant heat" cement floor with a big barbecue grill and the temperature that melts steal. Anyhow, he said "Nobody believes the "official story" about 9/11. I said "Everyone believes it, I've lost friends because I don't believe it and everyone else does." Thus the difference in "the ghetto, and suburbia!!!!!
- mm911, on 05/09/2008, -9/+12There's a huge difference between the temperature at which steel melts into a puddle and the temperature at which steel loses strength and bends or breaks, and therein lies the reason the towers collapsed.
- krnldmp, on 05/09/2008, -8/+16Not huge enough for pancakes, Flapjack. It was imploded. Deal with it.
- FKnight, on 05/09/2008, -8/+5Yeah, that's right. The towers were brought down by a controlled demolition based on the highly scientific and accurate analysis that "it looked like one."
HAHAHAAH
- FKnight, on 05/09/2008, -8/+5Yeah, that's right. The towers were brought down by a controlled demolition based on the highly scientific and accurate analysis that "it looked like one."
- sealbeater, on 05/09/2008, -2/+10http://www.tms.org/pubs/journals/JOM/0112/Eagar/Ea ...
Briefly...jet fuel doesn't burn hot enough to melt steel.
What happened to the core beams? Not one beam was left standing.- Jlaugh, on 05/09/2008, -1/+4I would have fallen slower, and broken into bigger pieces instead of turning into powder, if it had collapsed due to the steel failing. Besides the damage was pretty slight compared to the Oklahoma City bombing and that building didn't collapse.
- krnldmp, on 05/09/2008, -8/+16Not huge enough for pancakes, Flapjack. It was imploded. Deal with it.
- mm911, on 05/09/2008, -9/+12There's a huge difference between the temperature at which steel melts into a puddle and the temperature at which steel loses strength and bends or breaks, and therein lies the reason the towers collapsed.
- jaymzdean, on 05/09/2008, -5/+31The fact that the 9/11 Commission deemed who financed the attack as "irrelevant" seems relevant to me. I've yet heard a response or explanation to questions along this line that didn't involve name-calling and personal attacks. Cognitive dissonance rules.
- zombies187, on 05/09/2008, -0/+10Wasn't it Pakistnai intelligence? I thought Daniel Pearl was killed for his investigation into the connection between 911 and Pakistan.
- ElderBieler, on 05/09/2008, -23/+20This guy is spewing so much garbage which isn't true. I've served 2 tours in Iraq with the Marine Corps and have transferred to the AJW (Army Judicial Wing) to serve as a lawyer investigating ethical breaches by military personnel. I can unequivocally say that soldiers are not authorized to shoot haphazardley into a crowd, you must identify the threat and engage with appropriate action. Soldiers there do not do what he is saying, even when we've been engaged by a hostile we must seek reciprocation by the lowest common escalation of action, meaning if somebody has a rifle and is running from us after a shot is fired, we first need to give them an opportunity to surrender per verbal commands.
Enough of this liberal garbage being spewed as fact.- xen0blue, on 05/09/2008, -6/+10agree 100%
/soldier - boot20, on 05/09/2008, -8/+9For those of you too stupid to read ElderBieler post:
UCMJ still applies. The soldier was lying in the video to pull on your heart strings and SCAM YOU into giving him money.- card51short, on 05/09/2008, -2/+7conspiracy nut
- Beaver1279, on 05/09/2008, -3/+15The tough thing for us citizens is to know who to believe. History gives us a million reasons not to believe our government especially in a time of war. This the main reason it is hard to have an opinion on the conduct of the war. No one seems to agree on what is going on there. Who are we to believe?
- SlayerX91, on 05/09/2008, -2/+12Exactly! The simple solution that solves all these is just to END THE ***** WAR.
- timbellomo, on 05/09/2008, -3/+3Policies and reality don't always line up. I mean, my company's internet policy allows non-personal, business use, but everyone knows you're not going to get pegged for commenting on Digg, or checking your email.
- greenm1981, on 05/09/2008, -2/+10Your experience in Iraq can vary tremendously from service member to service member. There is also a practical difference between theatre wide policies, such as rules of engagement and general orders, and the directives issued at the tactical level. The legality is determined by the policies set by the theatre commander and the UCMJ, but I know from experience that subordinate commanders and NCOs issue orders to their soldiers that sometimes contradict the overarching policies. To expect the majority of troops at the lowest level to ignore the direct orders of their leaders is silly. They can be court-marshalled for violating rules of engagement, but the majority of those violations aren't prosecuted. Hence, the reality of combat in Iraq doesn't reflect the ideal.
- jessehadden, on 05/09/2008, -5/+2That's what you say, and yet...
- Risingashes, on 05/10/2008, -2/+1What about the contractors that make up about 50% of the people over there that are not bound by any laws whatsoever?
- xen0blue, on 05/09/2008, -6/+10agree 100%
- GhostyBoy, on 05/09/2008, -5/+19"Why don't more people ask questions about 9/11?"
The answers are really, really scary.- jaymzdean, on 05/09/2008, -1/+16They've been brow-beaten and name-called into silent submission by those suffering from the psychosis of cognitive dissonance.
- timbellomo, on 05/09/2008, -5/+2crap, wrong reply
- oldgal, on 05/09/2008, -1/+2These sets of lectures on Foreign Policy since 9/11 are the best information I have found to date: http://webcast.berkeley.edu/new_search.php?search_ ...
- mattrh, on 05/09/2008, -2/+2All evidence that could potentially expose the truth has probably been destroyed.
- DestroyFascism, on 05/10/2008, -5/+6Ace elevators (Now closed) possibly landed the explosives. had a contract to renew all elevators. All elevator shafts are cocooned by the core/ (closed after 911)
Jeb bush was security director.
400 billion in gold is still missing, did it evaporate?- dexter411, on 05/10/2008, -2/+41) Yep. Explosives that amazingly were triggered on the exact floor that a plane flew into the building.
2) Yep. Explosives that, for the first time in the history of the planet, took down 100 story building.
3) Jeb Bush wasn't. Feel free to supply actual proof, though.
4) $400 billion in gold is not missing. $300 million (you were only off by 4 orders of magnitude) was initially buried (and then recovered). Reports of higher amounts being stored were ruled as untrue by Comex, the party claimed to "still be looking" for their money.- noangelcame, on 05/10/2008, -1/+2It was Marvin Bush,. NOT Jeb Bush,.. still,. Marvin Bush was on the board of the company that provided security for the WTC complex,. and the airlines that were involved on 9/11. When you control security,. you can control who comes and goes.
- dexter411, on 05/10/2008, -2/+41) Yep. Explosives that amazingly were triggered on the exact floor that a plane flew into the building.
- solid12345, on 05/10/2008, -3/+5Why don't we question 9/11?
Maybe because men like Ayman Zawahiri have a 30 year history of terrorism and the idea that radical religious nuts would NOT attempt something like 9/11 is ludicrous. Is it so hard to think that fanatics would not try to ram planes into the twin towers, they already tried to blow the WTC up in 1993.- noangelcame, on 05/10/2008, -3/+4In 1993, one of the suspects involved with the 1993 WTC bombing, Salem, had videotaped meetings that he was having with his FBI handlers. The recordings confirm that the FBI supplied Salem with the bomb,. that was later used to bomb the WTC. Watch the news report here. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=srMIbEee1_A
The 1993 WTC Bombing was an inside job. They FBI messed up big, and after this report was aired, the story was buried. - soulkitchen, on 05/11/2008, -1/+2I agree that Zawahiri wanted to bring those towers down, and that if 9/11 didn't work he'd still be out there thinking about how to do it. But what I'm asking is why isn't the public trying to have some pretty important questions about 9/11 answered.
A poster above asked if it was Pakistani intelligence who funded 9/11. That isn't entirely inconceivable, that a Muslim nation where OBL is right now may have contributed to 9/11. Since it is reasonable I think it bears looking into. If it wasn't Pakistan then who was it? I thought we were going to "smoke em out of their holes".
So I ask you solid12345, should we devote any time or resources to answering these questions? And if so, what should we do with them (whoever them is) ?
- noangelcame, on 05/10/2008, -3/+4In 1993, one of the suspects involved with the 1993 WTC bombing, Salem, had videotaped meetings that he was having with his FBI handlers. The recordings confirm that the FBI supplied Salem with the bomb,. that was later used to bomb the WTC. Watch the news report here. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=srMIbEee1_A
- tama00, on 05/10/2008, -2/+0if only we were all hippies again....
- 98percentcogdis, on 05/09/2008, -21/+10I was talking to a guy from Gary In. the other day and brought up 9/11 because he was telling me about a guy that built an igloo in a lot he bought in Gary, and how this guy heats his "radiant heat" cement floor with a big barbecue grill and the temperature that melts steal. Anyhow, he said "Nobody believes the "official story" about 9/11. I said "Everyone believes it, I've lost friends because I don't believe it and everyone else does." Thus the difference in "the ghetto, and suburbia!!!!!
- bearsandbulls, on 05/09/2008, -19/+98Even if you aren't behind this guy it's worth a digg. Very good speech.
- Defuser, on 05/09/2008, -26/+6Uh, no. You have it exactly backwards. Even if you ARE behind this guy, it was a very POOR speech. Everything about this guy seems contrived and phoney, from his cheesy "'I'm a cartoon of a war protester from the 60's" beard to his inability to form a rational thought. It's entirely possible to be against the war and ALSO be against clowns like this guy. Frankly, most wars are fought entirely to remove people like him from the gene pool.
- kemp34, on 05/09/2008, -5/+5Brutal.
- Khangwin, on 05/09/2008, -5/+3are you on drugs? seriously. just wanna know.
- Enasni1212, on 05/09/2008, -6/+11I thought it was an extremely poor speech, but what can you expect from someone who joined the army to get off the streets? Still, I completely agree with his message. I just wish he was able to coherently speak his message, instead of spouting, "9/11 is a lie," over and over.
- JBmtk, on 05/09/2008, -4/+3I would be willing to bet 3/4 Americans don't even know politics let alone who was the president before Clinton. I thought he spoke very well and you don't need someone to lace a speech with bull crap when you could get a simple message across which he said often.
9/11 is a lie and most of the digg users know this. Go outside of the educated community and they will just laugh it off because America is the best country in the world, right? Well until you see if first hand or read through document after document upon witnesses, is when you know the truth. Sadly, I don't think the American people can change anything because there are far to many ignorant people out there.- dexter411, on 05/10/2008, -1/+5"Go outside of the educated community and they will just laugh it off because America is the best country in the world, right?"
Except that no engineering expert investigating 9/11, no controlled demolition organization, and no scholars who looked into the physics of that day dispute the official account. Clearly, then, the 'educated" in "outside of the educated community" means the uneducated and/or the people who watch Loose Change (another film made by *gasp* uneducated people).- JBmtk, on 05/10/2008, -0/+1it takes a lot of educated people for a conspiracy to become mainstream. Your not one of them.
- dexter411, on 05/10/2008, -0/+1... Still didn't address any of my points. High five!
- dexter411, on 05/10/2008, -1/+5"Go outside of the educated community and they will just laugh it off because America is the best country in the world, right?"
- JBmtk, on 05/09/2008, -4/+3I would be willing to bet 3/4 Americans don't even know politics let alone who was the president before Clinton. I thought he spoke very well and you don't need someone to lace a speech with bull crap when you could get a simple message across which he said often.
- h4k0r, on 05/09/2008, -0/+10What!!!! If judging him on his speech is all you are going off of it was absolutely terrible. Obama has great speeches, Ron Paul has great speeches, this guy had a hard time finishing his sentences.
- antonio97b, on 05/10/2008, -1/+2Like...
Bush!
- antonio97b, on 05/10/2008, -1/+2Like...
- bbardlbradd, on 05/09/2008, -0/+7I too found the "speech" to be poorly done. Shouting things like "9/11 is a lie" doesn't prove anything, it's like telling people about Roswell, there's no use if you don't have proof because it sounds crazy. Mainly because we don't want to question OURSELVES, do we?
"Did I help fund this war? Does the U.S. flag that I bought after 9/11 now only wave my ignorance and insolence? Does this mean that all of those times that I and my friends had beers together and bitched about all of those 'sand niggers' and their faith, show that I am a fool?... NO! Of course not! I was not wrong, and I won't be wrong until they come out and told me that I did all of that because I was fooled!!! Then everyone else in the US could be as fooled as I!"
His talk was very unprofessional. I wish he would have cleaned up and written something, but nonetheless I am happy that people are talking at all, especially people that have had a direct connection to the problem. - dexter411, on 05/10/2008, -3/+2Good speech? This guy is a cowardly deserter who fled to Canada when the responsibility that he volunteered for became too inconvenient for him.
"9/11 is a lie; soldiers know it"? Really? Structural engineering part of boot camp?- Tayls, on 05/10/2008, -2/+2I'm assuming you're writing that post from Iraq, then?
- dexter411, on 05/10/2008, -1/+2Nope, I'm a student at a major US university. Difference being that I didn't volunteer to be a member of the armed forces. People don't have to join the army if they don't want to, but if you join, don't be a little bitch and then flee to Canada after getting your enlistment bonus.
- richIsBored, on 05/10/2008, -2/+1When you join the military you swear an oath. And no where in that oath do you pledge allegiance to the country or the military. Instead, you pledge allegiance to the constitution. You swear to support, uphold, and defend it.
This is an important distinction to make because it means that the principles upon which this country was founded take precedence over loyalty to any flag or government agency.
Call him a coward if you want to but it only proves that you have no concept of the spirit of America. This man is a great patriot and more courageous than you could ever hope to be.- dexter411, on 05/10/2008, -1/+2"And no where in that oath do you pledge allegiance to the country or the military."
From the United States oath of enlistment:
"I, _____, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God."
Someone who deserts the military doesn't obey the orders of the President nor of the officers appointed over him. Nice try, though.
"Call him a coward if you want to but it only proves that you have no concept of the spirit of America. This man is a great patriot and more courageous than you could ever hope to be."
He is a coward. And you are an idiot.- richIsBored, on 05/10/2008, -2/+2Being a deserter does not make you a coward. You're an idiot for thinking the two words mean the same thing.
- dexter411, on 05/10/2008, -1/+1"Being a deserter does not make you a coward."
No, it absolutely does. You can argue with me, but you just happen to be wrong.
"You're an idiot for thinking the two words mean the same thing."
No, you're an idiot for not reading the oath of enlistment before trying to make some kind of deep philosophical point about it. Let me guess, you found the uniformed service oath in your Google search and then got to typing? Good work, kiddo. - richIsBored, on 05/10/2008, -1/+1I took the oath myself and served honorably thank you. I think that puts me in a better position to talk about what that oath means than you give me credit for.
- dexter411, on 05/10/2008, -1/+1Really? Where and with whom did you serve? Doom 3 armies don't count.
- richIsBored, on 05/10/2008, -1/+1Given the "condescending prick" vibe you're putting off I'm debating whether it's worth my time to continue this exchange. I'll be the better man and assume you're not a complete asshole.
I was with the USMC for 4 years between 1998 and 2002. I was with several units during my term but the unit I spent the most time with was 3rd Battalion, 6th Marines, 2nd Marine Division stationed at Camp Lejeune, NC. Around September of 2001 we were attached to the 26th MEU for deployment into the Mediterranean where I spent a few months on ground in Afghanistan and returned home in April of 2002.
- dexter411, on 05/10/2008, -1/+2"And no where in that oath do you pledge allegiance to the country or the military."
- Tayls, on 05/10/2008, -2/+2I'm assuming you're writing that post from Iraq, then?
- CthulhuDawn, on 05/10/2008, -0/+3That all depends on what he means by "9/11 is a lie," which confused me. If he is saying that 9/11 was lied about to give false pretense to go to war, I can side with him. If he's a damn conspiracy theory "Bush ordered 9/11" truther than he can go lick a taint.
- Blah_Blah_Blah, on 05/10/2008, -2/+3to all the assholes calling this guy a weasel or coward for fleeing... he went into Iraq and THEN realized it was a lie and then refused to return.... thats not being a coward, that's standing up for what you believe is right and he should be commended.
- dexter411, on 05/10/2008, -1/+2... No, that's being a coward. He made an oath, a promise to his country... and then fled to Canada like the little bitch that he is.
- Blah_Blah_Blah, on 05/10/2008, -1/+1because our country is SO straighforward and honest in its dealings. < /sarcasm>
get a clue.- dexter411, on 05/10/2008, -0/+1What part of "oath" is ambiguous to you? If he couldn't handle the responsibility of promising to uphold the wishes of the Commander in Chief, he should have stayed on the street like the uneducated thug that he is.
- Defuser, on 05/09/2008, -26/+6Uh, no. You have it exactly backwards. Even if you ARE behind this guy, it was a very POOR speech. Everything about this guy seems contrived and phoney, from his cheesy "'I'm a cartoon of a war protester from the 60's" beard to his inability to form a rational thought. It's entirely possible to be against the war and ALSO be against clowns like this guy. Frankly, most wars are fought entirely to remove people like him from the gene pool.
- Fatcheeseguy, on 05/09/2008, -9/+124How often do you hear how many Iraqis have died or injured on the news?
- taradisiac, on 05/09/2008, -2/+46Never. I don't get why people only care about the lives of their fellow nationals. Human life is the same everywhere.
- xtinamo, on 05/09/2008, -11/+1Seriously, it's Social Darwinism all over again.
- lamiaconfitor, on 05/10/2008, -2/+2***** you. you ***** moron. You think this isn't an intelligent response to your stupidity? Its more then you deserve.
- xtinamo, on 05/10/2008, -0/+1 Ever heard of the nationalism of the late 19th and early 20th century that was fueled by social darwinistic beliefs which spawned wars, imperialism, and a few genocides? Maybe you should open a book before you go out of your way to look like an idiot.
- lamiaconfitor, on 05/10/2008, -2/+2***** you. you ***** moron. You think this isn't an intelligent response to your stupidity? Its more then you deserve.
- xtinamo, on 05/09/2008, -11/+1Seriously, it's Social Darwinism all over again.
- peoplerstoopid, on 05/09/2008, -13/+6How often does the news say that they were killed by another Iraqi and not an American? The death toll is mostly Extremists killing their own people.
- gadgetlust, on 05/09/2008, -11/+1Someone who isn't stoopid ought to kill you.
- rficwizard, on 05/09/2008, -1/+2What does "their own people" even mean? Everyone is my "own people". Extremists don't kill only extremists. They are not very careful about who they kill. The fact that they might share some characteristics with their victims, such as religion, genetic heritage, or national origin, does not in any way reduce the magnitude of the crime.
- peoplerstoopid, on 05/09/2008, -0/+1I never said the crime wasn't despicable. And as someone intelligent (or feigning it) you very well know that saying "their own people" I'm refering to their countrymen. And as countrymen Iraqi's kill more Iraqi's than America has even touched. 30 people at a barber here 75 at a cafe there, over and over and all dead from some extremist pig....yet everyone tries to blame the American's that are over there for every death. Blame the killers, blame the people with bombs on their chest, why target civilians..."their own people" I've seen it firsthand, mass groups killed because they wanted to buy Nike, and weren't allowed before because its American. Hell they did it before as the Ba'th party. Funny how they have parades where they wave American flags, but no one see em. How people would thank us as we patrolled the streets, don't hear about that. How these people who as a society are the nicest people I've ever met, enjoy so many things that were denied them under a dictator.Was it bad yes, war sucks. The worst part was coming back to a country that accuses me of killing babies, I'm proud of the three deployments I did, proud of seing kids play soccer in bare feet on a hard dirt/gravel field....then coming back after three years and seeing them with shoes on grass. I'm proud of delivering mass tons of food and water, proud of the many new freedoms they enjoy (like walking at night...which was illegal with Sadam, or even looking at a member of the Ba'th party in the eye....met a few police that we trained that had one less eye because of that)
But this finger pointing ***** some people in this country feel the need to do....how come people can't find the one who actually killed them responsible? Why is it always someone elses fault? Next thing people are going to sue car dealerships and makers for accidents, I can see it now "Well if Ford hadn't made that model of car the defendant never would have bought it and crashed it.....Ford killed my baby!"- rficwizard, on 05/10/2008, -0/+1Of course I knew what you meant by "their own people". I was pointing out (rather unsuccessfully, I admit) that the distinction you were drawing is artificial. I don't count an Iraqi life as worth any less than an American life. People are people. I don't hold Iraqis or Muslims responsible for the action of extremists; I hold the extremists responsible. The Iraqis who are being blown up in the marketplaces are no more responsible for their death than I am, and possibly less so.
In regard to whose fault it is, there is clearly a powerful conflict in the Middle East. It has been there for centuries. That is not America's fault. We have, though, greatly interfered on a number of occasions. It was not our fault, until we made it our fault. It is certainly not the soldiers' fault. I am not in favor of America's imperialist foreign policy, or of the wars that it has caused, but I will NEVER blame that on the soldiers. I also do not doubt that some people's lives have been improved in the short term by the invasion in Iraq. I am sure that Saddam was an evil man, whose government did some very evil things. I am less sure that most Iraqis' lives have been improved in the long-term by the US invasion. I think it may turn out to be another case of "out of the frying pan, into the fire" as it so often is when America interferes with another nation's government.
I don't blame you for being proud of your deployments. I don't blame you for being proud of the improvements you see in people's lives. I commend you for signing up to serve your country, and for the obvious compassion you have for others. I commend you for having the fortitude to put yourself in harm's way to serve your country. The fact that I don't agree with the foreign policy that put you there does not take away from that.
- rficwizard, on 05/10/2008, -0/+1Of course I knew what you meant by "their own people". I was pointing out (rather unsuccessfully, I admit) that the distinction you were drawing is artificial. I don't count an Iraqi life as worth any less than an American life. People are people. I don't hold Iraqis or Muslims responsible for the action of extremists; I hold the extremists responsible. The Iraqis who are being blown up in the marketplaces are no more responsible for their death than I am, and possibly less so.
- peoplerstoopid, on 05/09/2008, -0/+1I never said the crime wasn't despicable. And as someone intelligent (or feigning it) you very well know that saying "their own people" I'm refering to their countrymen. And as countrymen Iraqi's kill more Iraqi's than America has even touched. 30 people at a barber here 75 at a cafe there, over and over and all dead from some extremist pig....yet everyone tries to blame the American's that are over there for every death. Blame the killers, blame the people with bombs on their chest, why target civilians..."their own people" I've seen it firsthand, mass groups killed because they wanted to buy Nike, and weren't allowed before because its American. Hell they did it before as the Ba'th party. Funny how they have parades where they wave American flags, but no one see em. How people would thank us as we patrolled the streets, don't hear about that. How these people who as a society are the nicest people I've ever met, enjoy so many things that were denied them under a dictator.Was it bad yes, war sucks. The worst part was coming back to a country that accuses me of killing babies, I'm proud of the three deployments I did, proud of seing kids play soccer in bare feet on a hard dirt/gravel field....then coming back after three years and seeing them with shoes on grass. I'm proud of delivering mass tons of food and water, proud of the many new freedoms they enjoy (like walking at night...which was illegal with Sadam, or even looking at a member of the Ba'th party in the eye....met a few police that we trained that had one less eye because of that)
- card51short, on 05/09/2008, -0/+1where's your stats on that?
- zombies187, on 05/09/2008, -2/+9Democracy Now tells you everyday.
- mark076h, on 05/09/2008, -1/+2you only hear about the US Military members that have died, even if somebody becomes a triple amputee or a vegetable you dont here about it and things like that happen every day in Iraq/Afghanistan
- ender7074, on 05/09/2008, -5/+3On a daily basis.
- Risingashes, on 05/10/2008, -0/+2How often do you hear about Iraqi deaths as anything other than an aside for a conversation about how a handful of American soldiers have been killed?
America is responsible for at least 5 times more deaths than Saddam ever caused (even indirectly).- lamiaconfitor, on 05/10/2008, -0/+2I think his point is the info is out there, it is unfortunate that you have to hunt for it... but it is out there.
http://www.iraqbodycount.org/
- lamiaconfitor, on 05/10/2008, -0/+2I think his point is the info is out there, it is unfortunate that you have to hunt for it... but it is out there.
- Risingashes, on 05/10/2008, -0/+2How often do you hear about Iraqi deaths as anything other than an aside for a conversation about how a handful of American soldiers have been killed?
- 533n, on 05/11/2008, -0/+1You never do because America is full of sheep too ***** afraid and stupid to stop their government. ***** Bush is a terrorist
- NuclearDruid, on 05/11/2008, -0/+1It's plenty if you watch aljzeera or international news.. it's not like cnn and fox news are the only News stations in existance
- taradisiac, on 05/09/2008, -2/+46Never. I don't get why people only care about the lives of their fellow nationals. Human life is the same everywhere.
- kemp34, on 05/09/2008, -19/+86Everyone with a conscience should be speaking out right now...
- piradians, on 05/09/2008, -4/+15I hit that green button with the thumbs up. Isn't that enough?
- kemp34, on 05/09/2008, -1/+1I guess that counts.
- DestroyFascism, on 05/10/2008, -1/+1Yes safer than protesting isn't it......
- ChappyChaps11, on 05/09/2008, -6/+6This is such a worthless video.
This army cat wants to talk about helping AWOL soldiers and he is AWOL himself. It sure shows me how much respect he has for the country rolling up in a full beard in PART of his uniform.
My favorite part though "The GI resistance." There IS no resistance. He joined in 2003 knowing full well he was going to deploy. I joined the Marine Corps in 2006 and I know full well I will be deploying. I don't agree with the war either, but it doesn't mean I won't come to the aid of my Brothers before me and the ones that have gone 4, 5, 6, times, so that THEY can have some relief.
This is exactly who needs to lead up the "GI resistance" though, someone who formerly dealt drugs... ::eye roll::
My real brother, also a Brother in arms in the USMC has deployed 2x in his 4 year service. I expect to be deploying 2-3 times in my 5 tour. I knew there was a war, I joined. He knew there was a war, he joined. I don't get the huge mystery here that he and other army cats have multiple deployments.
As for being ordered to attack civilians..I'm telling you right now that that is not an SOP. He may or may not have been told by his fireteam leaders to (and I highly doubt that), but as fo official standard operating proceedures, no one is ordered to do this.
This guy is the same bum he was on the street selling drugs. Blaming all his issues on something else. The reason the Iraq veterans HE knows aren't getting paid is because they all went AWOL. If you quit your job would YOU expect to be paid? They all had dishonorable discharges.
f this guy.- daizaru, on 05/10/2008, -2/+2Maybe you'll feel different after you've been there yourself. I wish you luck.
- ChappyChaps11, on 05/10/2008, -0/+1I won't. And I also will never side with someone who joined the military *after* we started operations and then complains that they have to go and then go AWOL and then expect to be compensated by Veteran Affairs.
- Risingashes, on 05/10/2008, -3/+1It sounds like you're a reasonable individual whose opinion is based on logical assumptions and who bases their opinions on relevant changing outside stimulus.
- crowbar77, on 05/10/2008, -1/+2Where do you think he would be more helpful to his brothers? Giving a rest to one soldier or speaking out against the injustice of the war to thousands of people. If he really didnt care he would have just stayed in Canada and went on with his life, but instead hes dedicated himself to help bring home the soldiers.
- ChappyChaps11, on 05/10/2008, -0/+2Um, I think if he was indeed given these orders, which I can already tell you he wasn't, he would have reported them up his chain of authority and not run to Canada.
- lbdinh, on 05/10/2008, -0/+3Why is chappychap being dugg down? For the most part, he is right.
I was a soldier who served a 15-month tour of iraq. I first joined the Army in 2003 right when the war started because I bought into all the propaganda but I've been out honorably (in the IRR) for almost a year now and am against it. I should've been out way earlier but I fell under the stop-loss policy.
I think most Americans were FOR the war back then too because Congress voted for it. Don't try to deny it now. I think most soldiers that've now been to the middle east knows that the war is BS but they believe they are just doing a job and want to make it home in one piece. If every soldier would desert because they now think this about the war, we probably wouldn't even have a military left and we would be free for whatever country that wants to enslave us. Lets face it, every country needs a military.
Like Chappy said, this guy came in the Army knowing full well that he has an 8-year obligation and that he's gonna deploy. He signed the papers, regardless of which recruiter lied to him. Ultimately, it was his responsibility to read it and his decision to sign it.
He lost all credibility for me when he said "9/11 was a lie". This guy even suggests that we stop paying taxes.
He even said that he was mistaken for a terrorist in KY. Is this guy serious?
Any soldier regardless if they've been to combat or not would know that when an officer gives an unlawful order like "fire into a civilian crowd" or "shoot a family of unarmed civilians", it is a soldier's duty and obligation to refuse such an order and then report it to the chain of command. I'm not saying that these things don't happen, just that if you followed that unlawful order you can be prosecuted under the UCMJ. I'm sorry but that "I was just following orders" excuse doesn't work anymore. Soldiers are still going to jail for it. Any time a shot is fired, there is an extensive investigation done. I was doing 8-hour combat patrols for a couple of months during my tour and a lot of the gunners, myself included, were afraid to fire a shot even if it didn't hit anything because we can be hemmed up for negligent discharge. That's how serious it is.
His background doesn't help either. I think it's bad enough that the military now lets in felons just to meet recruiting quotas. That's one of the reasons I didn't want to stay in the army anymore.
If this guy wants to protest against the war as a veteran, he doesn't need to wear an uniform (or a mutilated one) because his views are his own and wearing an uniform would imply that his views are that of American soldiers.
- daizaru, on 05/10/2008, -2/+2Maybe you'll feel different after you've been there yourself. I wish you luck.
- victrola, on 05/09/2008, -0/+1Excellent.
- 533n, on 05/11/2008, -1/+1Whatever, ***** America. America has been killiing innocent people for decades
- piradians, on 05/09/2008, -4/+15I hit that green button with the thumbs up. Isn't that enough?
- MonsterChaOS, on 05/09/2008, -16/+46Well worth the time to watch it.
- m0rtified, on 05/09/2008, -6/+1dugg for Kentucky
- DwightSchruter, on 05/10/2008, -0/+1Related video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HxklB-PR7kA
- WinterWolf33, on 05/09/2008, -97/+36What a ***** video and what a coward! This guy ran out of the country to avoid doing his duty to America and is now helping other traitors. Moreover people are clapping. Has this country become so brainwashed with fear and lies? Who the hell does he think he is. This guy says there wasn't any terrorists in Iraq. He goes on to say that people in the street with AK-47 and boys making bombs are not terrorists....what the hell are they then.
This guy is using every trick in the book to promote himself and slam the values and ethics of our country. This is a video any terrorist and terrorist sympathizer would want to to see in order to desensitize from the truth. The truth that there is so much hate in that country and the fact that people are strapping themselves to bombs to kill infidels...not to defend their country. This guy makes it sound like if US would leave tomorrow, they would not need to carry weapons in the street and they will stop making bombs.- Turambar, on 05/09/2008, -10/+36obvious troll is obvious
...right? - sandersdamnit, on 05/09/2008, -11/+42from Texas huh? oh really i believe you are the one who is brainwashed you dumb ass. those people are making bombs because they want us out of their ***** country you retard. they hate us because we helped kill more of their people than Saddam ever did. Iraq was an extremely westernized Islamic country, but you wouldn't know that because you've probably never read anything other than low rider magazine you chicken hawk *****, why don't you take your stupid ass over there to fight the terrorizers. if you think the ethics of this country are to invade countries for agenda and business opportunities then by all means go over there, and i hope you come face to face with one of the "terrorists"
- Darkgarion, on 05/09/2008, -4/+17Ha.. I'm from Texas and I completely agree with you. Not all of us are backwater bumpkins.
- bbardlbradd, on 05/09/2008, -2/+1Back what?
- Kajun, on 05/09/2008, -12/+10You do realize they were making bombs and ***** in that part of the world way before we went over there right?
- kemp34, on 05/09/2008, -6/+14Iraq had never had a suicide bombing before the invasion.
- JohnReb, on 05/09/2008, -11/+8True, they simply paid for suicide missions in other countries.
- BohicaTwentyTwo, on 05/09/2008, -7/+11They just gassed their own people from time to time.
- nblsavage, on 05/09/2008, -5/+13@bohicatwentytwo, I fail to see where that was our problem. Lots of countries abuse their citizens, should we intervene in all cases? Oh that's right, the "Saddam is a bad bad man" was just the lame excuse you chickenhawks came up with after the WMD search turned up nil.
- forgottenhope, on 05/09/2008, -3/+10Iraq gasseds its own people with the gas the UNITED STATES SOLD THEM. You are either with us or against us.
So only America or the United States can sponsor terrorism, everyone else, we'll bomb you back into the ***** stone ages. - nblsavage, on 05/09/2008, -4/+9Well I see the neo-con bury brigade has finally shown up. Hi guys! Kill any brown people today?
- BohicaTwentyTwo, on 05/09/2008, -8/+5We never sold any chemical weapons to Iraq, they made all of them on their own. Like the scholar in this video, you seem to be only capable of regurgitating left wing talking points.
- nblsavage, on 05/09/2008, -3/+6that's a flat out lie Bohica.
- ironhide, on 05/09/2008, -1/+6http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/12/31/world/ma ...
"(CBS) Newly released documents show that U.S. officials, including Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, played a leading role in building up Iraq's military in the 1980s when Iraq was using chemical weapons, a newspaper reports. "
"The newspaper says a review of a large tranche of government documents reveals that the administrations of President Reagan and the first President Bush both authorized providing Iraq with intelligence and logistical support, and okayed the sale of dual use items — those with military and civilian applications — that included chemicals and germs, even anthrax and bubonic plague. " - nblsavage, on 05/09/2008, -2/+4thanks for that Ironhide. Nice to have facts to refute Bohica's "truthiness"
- SaintDogbert, on 05/10/2008, -4/+3No, Bohica is correct, the US never sold chemical weapons to Iraq, Some companies sold chemicals which could be precursors to chemical weapons and one of the companies was fined for doing so.
52% of Iraq's chemical weapons equipment that is of non-Iraqi manufacture came from Germany. Another 21% came from France.
When it comes to dual-use chemical precursors, Germany, France, Singapore, Holland, Egypt, India, and Luxembourg all provided more than the US. I dug this info up on Wikipedia, so take it with a grain of salt.
The US does not sell WMDs. It doesn't sell nukes. It doesn't sell chemical weapons. It doesn't sell bio weapons. It does sometimes sell dual-use chemicals that could be used for weapons, and the Center for Disease Control provides samples of germs for disease prevention. This is not the same as saying the US sells chemical or bio weapons. The countries that sold actual chemical weapons to Iraq are:
Spain, 57,000 munitions designed for chemical warfare
China, 45,000 munitions designed for chemical warfare
Egypt, 28,500 tons of munitions designed for chemical warfare
Brazil, 100 tons of mustard gas. - BohicaTwentyTwo, on 05/12/2008, -0/+2The concept of "dual use items" did not even exist until 1993. It was only after the First Gulf War did we start tracking the sales of components that could be used for civilian or military uses. Either way, they are not weapons.
- cheesecake42, on 05/09/2008, -1/+1and when do you think we went over there?
- biotch, on 05/10/2008, -1/+3You do realize that every country on the face of the planet is "making bombs and *****"
- kemp34, on 05/09/2008, -6/+14Iraq had never had a suicide bombing before the invasion.
- Ravage172, on 05/09/2008, -5/+3OMG....I can't believe you people. They bring their terrorism right into your backyard and you're so doped out that you don't even realize war is being waged upon you.
- nblsavage, on 05/09/2008, -1/+7Who is "they"? The iraqis? The hijackers were Saudi - you know our good buddies.
- Jlaugh, on 05/09/2008, -3/+3We'll those passports where of Saudis, why should we believe they are there real passports?
- nblsavage, on 05/09/2008, -3/+2you are a moron.
- biotch, on 05/10/2008, -0/+5The Iraqis had nothing to do with 9/11 idiot!
How many times does everyone including George Bush have to say that?
- nblsavage, on 05/09/2008, -1/+7Who is "they"? The iraqis? The hijackers were Saudi - you know our good buddies.
- Darkgarion, on 05/09/2008, -4/+17Ha.. I'm from Texas and I completely agree with you. Not all of us are backwater bumpkins.
- nblsavage, on 05/09/2008, -5/+23So, when did you serve?
- Frnnkdlxx, on 05/10/2008, -2/+2NO COMMENT! LOOOL.
- card51short, on 05/09/2008, -8/+49"He goes on to say that people in the street with AK-47 and boys making bombs are not terrorists....what the hell are they then."
Soldiers fighting?
We use bombs and assault rifles...does that make us terrorists?- nblsavage, on 05/09/2008, -5/+42Remember, terrorists are what the big army calls the little army.
- KevinRWright, on 05/09/2008, -1/+18Thats what the British called the US during the revolution :-)
- forgottenhope, on 05/09/2008, -5/+11Terrorism would be exterminating the indians, or dropping 2 atomic bombs on the most civilian populated areas. Nahh thats not terrorism. thats patriotism. Like i said As long as we are the ones doing the endless sensless killing, we dont dont see anything wrong with it. but when someone else cuts into our war profit line, false flag op here we go.
Ill run for office. Fix this ***** place. - card51short, on 05/09/2008, -1/+4are you all burning with rage like I am right now?
- zhulik83, on 05/09/2008, -2/+13They defend their country, their freedom, their families against occupiers. They are freedom fighters, not terrorist. If somebody invades my country, i will be the first one on a street with an AK-47
- CptAmerica, on 05/10/2008, -4/+1Freedom fighters? WHAT ***** FREEDOM ARE THEY FIGHTING FOR? HUH? If I lived in a ***** country, I would want the help.
- greenm1981, on 05/10/2008, -1/+2The freedom to not be occupied by a foreign military. The freedom to retain control of their own natural resources. The country didn't go down the ***** hole until we started the process of "De-Baathifaction." You can't invade and occupy a nation without providing access to economic activity and expect everything to go well.
Bremer's administration put that entire country out of a job in a matter of weeks. That includes 500,000 Iraqi soldiers and their guns that were told to go home, because they didn't have a job anymore.
It is pretty damn pathetic that you still don't know the history of this war, given access to the information available on the internet.
- greenm1981, on 05/10/2008, -1/+2The freedom to not be occupied by a foreign military. The freedom to retain control of their own natural resources. The country didn't go down the ***** hole until we started the process of "De-Baathifaction." You can't invade and occupy a nation without providing access to economic activity and expect everything to go well.
- CptAmerica, on 05/10/2008, -4/+1Freedom fighters? WHAT ***** FREEDOM ARE THEY FIGHTING FOR? HUH? If I lived in a ***** country, I would want the help.
- nblsavage, on 05/09/2008, -5/+42Remember, terrorists are what the big army calls the little army.
- idiggitall, on 05/09/2008, -12/+7He's just a big dumb animal, isn't he folks?
- Khangwin, on 05/09/2008, -2/+4i do feel bad laughing at retards.
- MrNexus, on 05/09/2008, -6/+12Serve a tour in Iraq and see if you come back with the same opinion.
- CptAmerica, on 05/10/2008, -2/+2That's funny. How about YOU do a tour and tell me if you think it is worth while. Because all my friends that have come back sure as hell think that our involvement is worth while. Just because some schmuck who served 6 months says that it is bad doesn't mean it really is. so save your *****.
- greenm1981, on 05/10/2008, -1/+1Oh your friends did? What about YOU?
- CptAmerica, on 05/10/2008, -2/+2That's funny. How about YOU do a tour and tell me if you think it is worth while. Because all my friends that have come back sure as hell think that our involvement is worth while. Just because some schmuck who served 6 months says that it is bad doesn't mean it really is. so save your *****.
- YodaJones, on 05/09/2008, -4/+5You are an ignoramus propagandized fool..
- gametavern, on 05/09/2008, -22/+2The man is right.... ***** hippies, go take your VW bus and pot and have a protest about legalizing pot.
- ironhide, on 05/09/2008, -4/+4That "man" is a pussy and so are you.
- rficwizard, on 05/09/2008, -1/+8It is really amusing that some people still think "hippy" is an insult.
- Jlaugh, on 05/09/2008, -1/+2Hippies are fine people as long as they bathe.
- card51short, on 05/09/2008, -1/+6***** warmongers, go take your Mercedes and cocaine and have a protest about us hippies ruining everything for you.
- Frnnkdlxx, on 05/10/2008, -1/+2We'll do that too! lol. but seriously... you're telling me nothing he said resonated with you? if not. you're a psycopath and can be considered an enemy combatant against the american people. so bring it on bitch! it's us you're attacking when you attack the man we believe in!
- greenm1981, on 05/09/2008, -3/+9Coward? It takes a lot of sack to ignore orders and refuse duty. This guy served a tour in Iraq, which is more "duty" than most supporters of this war are willing to exercise.
What he meant by "there weren't any terrorists" in Iraq, is that prior to and immediately following our occupation there weren't any. Al Qaeda did not have a presence in Saddam's Iraq.
The point is that for every innocent civilian that is killed as a result of "collateral damage" the motive for a growing insurgency is justified by the indigenous population. - sigg14, on 05/09/2008, -2/+2product of inbreeding?
- dschrute, on 05/09/2008, -1/+6They weren't carrying rifles and strapping on bombs before we got there. *****.
- KhanneaNL, on 05/10/2008, -1/+2Winterwolf - if you are as courageous as you claim to be, come visit europe and talk about your ideas.
You'd be going home in a box.
- Turambar, on 05/09/2008, -10/+36obvious troll is obvious
- Picaroon, on 05/09/2008, -58/+22If you want an actual source of real information on Iraq, head to this website.
http://michaelyon-online.com/
If you're stupid enough to actually believe a word of what this guy says, I pity you.- Winston84, on 05/09/2008, -11/+24That's a bit like saying "If you want an actual source of information on the Holocaust, head to David Irving's website"
If you're stupid enough to actually believe a word of what this guy says, I pity you- Picaroon, on 05/09/2008, -8/+12No, it's not. Yon is independent and was barred from Iraq for a while because he wasn't afraid to be critical of the handling of the war. Comparing him to David Irving is idiotic.
- BohicaTwentyTwo, on 05/09/2008, -6/+15Comparing a Yon, who has spent months in Iraq, to a holocaust denying historical revisionist makes you look ignorant.
- sealbeater, on 05/09/2008, -3/+2From the website:
The Iraqis asked me to convey a message of thanks to the American people. ” Thank you, thank you,” ...“All the people, all the people in Iraq, Muslim and Christian, is brother.”
Yes, thank you for Shock and Awe and for bombing us back to the stone age. Thanks for no electricity or clean water.
Somehow, I'm going to be taking this guy with a large grain of salt.
- card51short, on 05/09/2008, -8/+9Yeah! Trust some random source on the internet, don't listen to the soldier who spent his time over there and has nothing to gain (and everything to lose) by speaking out!!!
THE WEBSITE!!!!!- peoplerstoopid, on 05/09/2008, -7/+13I spent time over there....three times. I don't trust this coward who fled and abondoned his brothers. Hate the war hate the government I don't care, but to turn your back on the men you served with....despicable.
- kemp34, on 05/09/2008, -6/+6So he owes those people both his life and his conscience?
- peoplerstoopid, on 05/09/2008, -3/+7I owe my life to every single man in my unit, and they they same. I'm talking about running away as a private no less (cause he was scared of what he got into) and basically saying to the men you grew with in the unit....I'm don't have your back man, die whatever I don't care.
- Evermin7, on 05/09/2008, -4/+7Abandonment is good when you realize that you are doing something wrong. The Iraq war is WRONG. If i signed up thinking I was fighting for freedom and then experienced what this guy did, I would get the hell out too and bring my "brother" with me.
- boot20, on 05/09/2008, -3/+3So you'd let one of your fellow soldiers die because you wouldn't stick around? Screw you...
- card51short, on 05/09/2008, -2/+3no i'd tell the solider to come with me so none of us can die for nothing.
- userperson, on 05/09/2008, -3/+1Yeah your life is not your own, it belongs to the U.S. Gov't and your fellow soldiers. Honor/Slavery demands you kill babies, murder innocent bystanders, and lose limbs in the process! USA! USA!
- boot20, on 05/10/2008, -0/+2The posts here truly make me believe:
A) There are a ton of trolls on digg
B) Humanity is doomed because the Idiocracy has already started
C) There is a LOT of Astroturfing going on.
I'm starting to lean towards C
- userperson, on 05/09/2008, -6/+2um ... yeah 'cause without the soldiers there wouldn't be a war, but we'll blame the gov't , etc.
- kemp34, on 05/09/2008, -6/+6So he owes those people both his life and his conscience?
- Kajun, on 05/09/2008, -4/+4exactly what does he have to lose? He has his 15 mins of fame to gain by speaking out. How often do you see the guys who support the effort on the news? You dont because the reporter knows what sells. The truth doesnt sell nearly as well as turmoil and screwing "the man".
- boot20, on 05/09/2008, -3/+3He's asking for money...So he has everything to gain. Donate to me so I can "help the other poor soldiers." He's going to be laughing all the way to the bank.
- card51short, on 05/09/2008, -2/+2"exactly what does he have to lose"
Most of america being like you and frothing at the mouth "WHY DO YOU HATE AMERICA SO MUCH, COWARD"?
"He's asking for money...So he has everything to gain. Donate to me so I can "help the other poor soldiers." He's going to be laughing all the way to the bank."
So this is all a conspiracy with the liberals, this soldier and the media to make money and send it directly to al Qaeda, right?
Tin foil nut.- boot20, on 05/10/2008, -0/+1You are retarded if you think that's anywhere NEAR what I was saying. He's scamming and going to be keeping it all for himself. He's a 419 scammer in hippie clothing.
- h4k0r, on 05/09/2008, -2/+1So this is all a conspiracy with the liberals, this soldier and the media to make money and send it directly to al Qaeda, right?
Tin foil nut
He is asking for money to support AWOL soldiers ass hat. He fled his duty, and it supposedly supporting more of the same. Its more a question of this guys accountability at this point.- boot20, on 05/10/2008, -0/+2Sure, he's going to give that money to the other AWOL soldiers...right. Hey, if you believe that, I've got a bridge I want to sell you.
- peoplerstoopid, on 05/09/2008, -7/+13I spent time over there....three times. I don't trust this coward who fled and abondoned his brothers. Hate the war hate the government I don't care, but to turn your back on the men you served with....despicable.
- bclinton, on 05/09/2008, -10/+7Suprise! Plenty of stupid asses on Digg. They eat this ***** up.
- cJw314, on 05/09/2008, -1/+5"Suprise!", "stupid asses"
:sigh:
Soo pries?- rficwizard, on 05/09/2008, -0/+4Sioux prize.
- cJw314, on 05/09/2008, -1/+5"Suprise!", "stupid asses"
- KhanneaNL, on 05/10/2008, -3/+1I know plenty of Iraqi refugee's and what he says is 100% true.
What he forgot to say is so many Iraqi hate the US a vengeance nuclear terrorist strike in a major US city is just a matter of time.
Blowback.
- Winston84, on 05/09/2008, -11/+24That's a bit like saying "If you want an actual source of information on the Holocaust, head to David Irving's website"
- TubeDigger, on 05/09/2008, -11/+40Powerful insight. The GI's are the only ones who can stop the war. Lets get that message back out to them. a loud enough voice could be heared across the ocean. Let the healing begin.
- Kajun, on 05/09/2008, -3/+8I dont think they all feel this way. If they are then they wouldnt be reenlisting in such high numbers to go back. They are on the streets over there and they can see that they are doing the job they think needs to be done. A few guys who hate the military arent the voice of the troops.
- stienster, on 05/09/2008, -2/+4you don't THINK they all feel this way. You have no idea what's going on there. And who the hell is re-enlisting???? Enlisted people are killing themselves at record levels. Sounds like something more horrible than the 'fear' of death has invading their minds and hearts to the point of no recovery.
- novenator, on 05/09/2008, -0/+3*some* reenlist because they actually believe in the war. MOST reenlist because they are suddenly offered money and other incentives. The best ones reenlist because they dont want someone else to have to go to that hell. These people are loyal to their brothers and sisters in uniform and want to help them stay safe.
- ninjagore, on 05/09/2008, -1/+7Trust me. Any GI who "speaks out" about the war while enlisted stands a damn good chance of being kicked out of the army and a better chance of being arrested and tried. I was in the army, and I don't know too many people in there willing to pay that price just to speak out.
- Gonasadude, on 05/10/2008, -1/+1Yep. You do not have all of your constitutional rights when you join the service. You are instead bound by the Universal Code of Military Justice.
- TruthKid, on 05/10/2008, -0/+1Or the Uniform Code of Military Justice
- Gonasadude, on 05/10/2008, -1/+1Yep. You do not have all of your constitutional rights when you join the service. You are instead bound by the Universal Code of Military Justice.
- TruthKid, on 05/10/2008, -0/+1There seems to be a massive misconception on the power of the GI voice. Taking the military route, my voice would have to go up hundreds of steps until it was heard. The military is based on a linear chain of command.
Now if us as citizens wrote our congressmen, who are actually representing us, and told them our disapproval, that would be much more effective. Why won't that work? Because people care enough to bitch, but not enough to actually do anything. If there was an overwhelming majority of disapproval emails/letters/phone calls in a congressman's inbox and he didn't act on it, you'd then go ahead and vote for someone else when election time came. Who would have thought that if we were actually proactive in our government, it would come a lot closer to working as intended. Again, no one really cares all that much otherwise there would be collective effort to accomplish something. Its much easier to play the blame game, so thats the route we're gonna take.
- Kajun, on 05/09/2008, -3/+8I dont think they all feel this way. If they are then they wouldnt be reenlisting in such high numbers to go back. They are on the streets over there and they can see that they are doing the job they think needs to be done. A few guys who hate the military arent the voice of the troops.
- jcm267, on 05/09/2008, -54/+22This kid is a ***** idiot. I can't believe people actually went to see him speak.
- card51short, on 05/09/2008, -8/+21excellent analysis.
"he's an idiot"
Wow...you gotta point there!- Defuser, on 05/09/2008, -20/+7Well, he IS an idiot. Did you watch the video? He couldn't string six words together correctly. Plus, he claimed that people in Kentucky were constantly mistaking him for an Arab. Yeah, right. I'd mistake Rosy O'Donnell for an Arab before this guy.
- analogkid01, on 05/09/2008, -8/+12I really don't mean this sarcastically, but bear in mind he's in the Army. It's not like your top 10% joins up. They've lowered the bar considerably in recent months as well because of inability to meet recruiting goals.
- Defuser, on 05/09/2008, -20/+7Well, he IS an idiot. Did you watch the video? He couldn't string six words together correctly. Plus, he claimed that people in Kentucky were constantly mistaking him for an Arab. Yeah, right. I'd mistake Rosy O'Donnell for an Arab before this guy.
- MrESaulved, on 05/09/2008, -4/+9CENTCOM is worried, he must be onto something.
- mmmmmbiscuits, on 05/09/2008, -2/+1Oh yeah! Shakin' in their boots no doubt. Bwahahahah!
- forgottenhope, on 05/09/2008, -5/+10IF he was talking about killing more brown people near sand, would he still be an idiot, chicken hawk?
- card51short, on 05/09/2008, -2/+5no he would be a JIHAD-combatting hero, and by supporting him we would let him stay in the sand and fight dem terrists for the rest of his life.
- Stettenbauer, on 05/09/2008, -2/+5Granted he does not use the English language very well ,but what he is saying needs to be said.You have to look past his pronunciation and see the content.Don't add to the stupidity in the world.
- jcm267, on 05/09/2008, -5/+3He rambled on about 9/11. What exactly did he say that needs to be said?
- MrESaulved, on 05/09/2008, -2/+5Everything you desperately hope others will not hear.
You think your campaign of confusion is actually working? If half the effort you bozos put into destroying people places and things went into making them, the world would be a much more harmonious place.
Don't you have dreams jcm267? Don't you hope for things? What kind of world do you want your children, or your family to live in? It's not too late to turn a new leaf.- jcm267, on 05/09/2008, -5/+3You're insane.
- card51short, on 05/09/2008, -1/+5It's no use, MrESaulved, JCM is not coming back from the dark side.
War is Peace.
Ignorance is Strength
- MrESaulved, on 05/09/2008, -2/+5Everything you desperately hope others will not hear.
- jcm267, on 05/09/2008, -5/+3He rambled on about 9/11. What exactly did he say that needs to be said?
- card51short, on 05/09/2008, -8/+21excellent analysis.
- yellowcakewalk, on 05/09/2008, -18/+56The hijacked gvt doesn't give a ***** about the soldiers, look at what they did to Pat Tillmand and to Jessica Lynch and to their families:
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Jessic