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- lamiaconfitor, on 08/30/2009, -38/+281Bam! This is perfect. I have known many republicans who claim to be Libs all the time, thinking that Republicans are somehow closer to libertarians then Democrats are. I tell them, no, on social issues, Dems are a lot closer. Personally, that is the important part.
- AdHavoc, on 08/30/2009, -15/+255actually, a true libertarian will tell you that a democrat is the same thing as a republican... both are for the expansion of federal power.
- jakereilly, on 08/30/2009, -15/+175I usually hate Kos for their super liberal upright douchebaggery, but this is pretty much spot on. Especially the last part:
"And the number one sign: if you think government should stay the hell out of people's private business -- except when kidnapping citizens and rendering them to secret overseas torture prisons, snooping around the bedrooms of consenting adults, policing a woman's uterus, or conducting warrantless wire taps, you are no Libertarian." - john2kx, on 08/30/2009, -11/+156OK, I'll start..
You're correct in that being fiscally conservative and socially liberal is essentially libertarian.. However, you are mistaken in implying that the Democrat party ideals are closer to being Libertarian than the Republican ones.
In truth, they both couldn't be further from Libertarian ideals. The Democrats and Republicans of today are neither fiscally conservative nor socially liberal.
You think Democrats are socially liberal? Why, because some of them support gay rights? My friend, that's just a civil rights issue -- you're barely scratching the surface of what's socially liberal.
Ask a Democrat what they think about ending the War on Drugs, ending foreign occupations, removing marriage as a state function, Tax reform.... You're likely to get some blank stares.
Not to mention the things that Dems and Libertarians strongly disagree on.. 2nd amendment rights, health care reform, etc.
Trust me, Democrats and Republicans are really, really far away from Libertarians on social liberties. - seanayb, on 08/30/2009, -3/+144Hear, hear. We Libertarians aren't just Republican hacks in disguise, so to those of you who are, stop calling yourselves by our name.
- govsucks, on 08/30/2009, -15/+155Proud to be libertarian. Freedom for humanity.
If you want to be a leftists, you should be free to do so.
If you want to be a rightist, you should be free to do so.
But neither of you should be free to force me to do what your group wants. - atomicplatypus, on 08/30/2009, -11/+13711. You read Daily Kos.
- Wosat, on 08/30/2009, -30/+115Because if anyone knows libertarians, it's DailyKos.
LOL (Buried) - ganjamonsta, on 08/30/2009, -10/+94Ron Paul isn't a Libertarian. He's an old fashioned Republican.
- Finsternis, on 08/30/2009, -10/+82*****. There are plenty of true libertarians out there. Yeah, recently some right-wing ***** have started calling themselves libertarians because, on this just like everything else, they have no idea what they're talking about. True libertarianism is a lot closer to what Republicans *used* to try to be like, but these days, no good libertarian will have anything to do with the Republican party.
- browwiw, on 08/30/2009, -40/+110I'm a registered Democrat with a concealed carry license. Thirty years ago I would have been called a libertarian or a Goldwater Republican. Today I'm called a Jesus hating socialist.
Today, calling yourself a 'libertarian' is just another way of saying "I'm a Republican, but I don't want to deal with the social stigma attached to it". - skipvt, on 08/30/2009, -44/+112The Libertarian party has slowly been taken over by the disgruntled ultra right for years. A true Libertarian will tell you the only thing they hate more than a democrat is a republican.
- rolf, on 08/30/2009, -2/+70Here are some Barry Goldwater, 1964 Republican Presidential Candidate, quotes:
"I think every good Christian ought to kick Falwell right in the ass."
"I wouldn't trust Nixon from here to that phone."
"You don't have to be straight to be in the military; you just have to be able to shoot straight."
"I'm frankly sick and tired of the political preachers across this country telling me as a citizen that if I want to be a moral person, I must believe in "A," "B," "C" and "D." Just who do they think they are? And from where do they presume to claim the right to dictate their moral beliefs to me?
And I am even more angry as a legislator who must endure the threats of every religious group who thinks it has some God-granted right to control my vote on every roll call in the Senate. I am warning them today: I will fight them every step of the way if they try to dictate their moral convictions to all Americans in the name of 'conservatism.'"
Ron Paul was a Barry Goldwater supporter way back when. Reading Barry Goldwater stuff, I agree with him mostly on a ton except the Vietnam war so far. Ron Paul first became a senator in 1970. Perhaps, instead of questioning Ron Paul, you should see what the Republican party used to be like, and how it changed. Mostly because of infiltration of the morale majority wackos since the 1970s, and very much so in Reagan's term. - StefanKahuna, on 08/30/2009, -1/+65It's extremely well hidden in something that is called a "sentence".
- Paal, on 08/30/2009, -7/+67True personal freedom and economic freedom are not exclusive ideas. Many libertarians will agree with me that you can't truly have one without the other.
I won't pick one over the other, I have to pick both. - jsffive, on 08/30/2009, -8/+68Hear, hear.
- inactive, on 08/30/2009, -31/+87Ron Paul is a conservative.
Ron Paul is for ending the drug war. Obama laughs at the idea
Ron Paul is for ending the war in Iraq, Afghanistan, Obama is favor of expanding it.
Ron Paul is for shrinking the size of government, Obama is in favor of growing it. - awesometown, on 08/30/2009, -2/+58It's there at the end, it just doesn't have a numeral in front of it.
- hawkspur, on 08/30/2009, -1/+53Thinking for yourself when you are a member of Congress is a good thing.
- john2kx, on 08/30/2009, -2/+54"I've seen plenty of people who claim they're conservative but are liberal on social issues."
Those would be the libertarians. By definition, economically conservative, socially liberal.
If you're trying to categorize people into two groups by saying they're either completely liberal or completely conservative, you're going to be missing a lot of people.
AFAIK, Ron Paul is a Republican because he believes in the Republican ideals of low taxes, small government, and limited foreign intervention.. In other words, he was a Republican before the party was hijacked by the religious nuts and the PNAC. - jsffive, on 08/30/2009, -23/+7410. I think Ron Paul is PLENTY "conservative", and I think Fox News is full of *****... but more importantly, I think MSNBC is also.
9. I don't think ANYONE should be arrested for protesting. But why didn't code pink want to participate with Cindy Sheehan's protest outside Martha's Vineyard this weekend? Is it just a little bit possible that Code Pink was a front for Democrats with an election agenda?
8. If DailyKos has a way to make Medicare cost efficient and yet, refuses to use the "t" word, then he may have bigger problems also. Maybe he should go to Canada for a free doctor's visit. But there might be a long wait, because psychologist's visits may be considered elective.
7. How about I don't think ANY of the Supreme Court, who use the power of their offices to steal the power to "interpret" the Constitution, should have the power that they enjoy.
6. Why doesn't anyone actually quote Jesus when they try to put words in his mouth? "The Son of Man came eating and drinking, and people say, 'Look at him! He's a glutton and a drunk, a friend of tax collectors and sinners!' "Yet, wisdom is proved right by its actions." Matthew 11:19 And as for drug use, prostitution, and gambling? I've tried all three, and I wished I didn't have to worry about the government locking me up over it.
5. I don't give a damn what your religion is, and I don't want my government caring either.
4. The government is NOW trying to decide whether to ban TYLENOL! I like how Mr. Kos completely glosses over the fact that, when the government is WRONG about something, the law concerning it is nearly impossible to change.
3. Is Mr. Kos trying to use EXTREME examples to try and prove that the government MUST be involved in every decision concerning life and death? Does Mr. Kos think that being mentally retarded gives one a free pass to kill, and not be punished for it? I have no particular stand on either issue, except that the federal government shouldn't have been involved in what was largely a FAMILY issue for the Schiavos, and what was largely a STATE'S issue concerning Mr. Roeder. But that's not good enough for him, is it? He wants to use his government club to impose HIS beliefs... just as much as the "other side" does. He's no better than the "conservatives" that he wishes to decry.
2. Cash for Clunkers wasn't only unconstitutional, it was economically unsound. All the peoiple who are NOW needing to get a new car are going to have to pay MORE for their cars, because of the reduced supply that will exist until the beginning of the year. And does Mr. Kos think it's OK to redistribute wealth to the car makers (mostly Toyota, and not even the American auto makers, to which it was supposed to help)? And if so, where does it stop? Who ELSE does Mr. Kos wish to give hand outs to?
And "Lastly", the government staying out of people's business, and NOT kidnapping citizens and rendering them to secret overseas torture prisons, and NOT snooping around the bedrooms of consenting adults, and NOT policing a woman's uterus (except in the case where a life is involved), and NOT conducting warrantless wire taps, ISN'T AUTOMATICALLY LIBERTARIAN VALUES, merely because Mr. Kos thinks so...
It's the ***** law!
I suppose by Mr. Kos' standards, I must be a libertarian...
But you know what? I resent a card-carrying liberal, trying to define what a libertarian is, or is NOT.
Screw HIM... trying to frame the argument the way HE wants.
You want to find out what a libertarian is?
http://www.humblelibertarian.com/2009/03/top-100-l ...
Why would you pay attention to Markos Moulitsas concerning this matter? He has absolutely NOTHING to do with the libertarian movement.
He wishes to be a gatekeeper, as all authoritarian statists wish to be, when what he should really do is stick to telling his readers ***** stories about what he thinks a LIBERAL is. Or is it "progressive" this week?
But I doubt that the LAST thing he would wish to tell people, is what an ORIGINAL LIBERAL was, which had everything to do with INDIVIDUAL LIBERTIES, and NOTHING to do with granting the CENTRAL GOVERNMENT wide-sweeping powers, to ROB PEOPLE of their hard earned money, to pay for their social engineering projects. - Paal, on 08/30/2009, -10/+60Yeah, no *****, what the hell does the Daily Kos know about being a Libertarian?
They're just trying to get Libertarians to like them more. - richmomz, on 08/30/2009, -9/+54"A true Libertarian will tell you the only thing they hate more than a democrat is a NEOCON."
Fixed. And I agree wth AdHavoc. - matticusf1nch, on 08/30/2009, -11/+55I passed.
- yourmightyruler, on 08/30/2009, -2/+43There is a huge difference between the Neo-Conservatives and the Conservatives.
Ron Paul is a conservative, Newt Gingrich is a neo-con. - govsucks, on 08/30/2009, -5/+42Well the constitution is supposed to stop them, but neither respect it so I don't know.
Firearms?
Really, we would lose. So I don't know. Perhaps we should LET the Democrats and Republicans destroy the republic, a state we are close to now, and then perhaps people will see that NOT forcing people to do stuff is the ONLY way intelligent life forms can peacefully coexist.
But can you BELIEVE I got dugg down for saying they should be free, just not free to force their beliefs on me. What kind of totalitarian disagrees with their OWN liberty and keeping their hands off others? Whoever they are, they should NEVER call themselves a peace lover. - axiomata, on 08/30/2009, -2/+38Libertarians are split on the abortion issue and your position on it in no way affects how libertarian you are.
It is simple. If you are a libertarian that believes that fetuses are persons entitled to the right to life, then you are pro-life. If you are a libertarian who believes legal personhood comes at some later time, you are pro-choice (up until that point you believe that personhood status is active (be it birth, brain activity, viabilty etc.). - SystemicThought, on 08/30/2009, -1/+36Dugg for insulting my embarrassment of a congresswoman.
- rocknog, on 08/30/2009, -19/+54Haha, that was great, but I think we also need a list for libertarians who for some reason think they're conservative. I've seen plenty of people who claim they're conservative but are liberal on social issues. Ron Paul is the poster child for this, in my opinion, but then I've heard that he's only Republican so he can get elected. But then again, there are plenty of people with similar political views who have no political stake in the label, and yet they vote Republican.
- Yeyui, on 08/30/2009, -1/+35Your viewpoint offends me.
I have more respect for Dr. Paul than any other nationally known politician BECAUSE he has a consistent, rational worldview and acts consistently with that worldview.
We elect PEOPLE in this country, not PARTIES. - thbigtiket21, on 08/30/2009, -3/+36I wish we didn't have to "labeled" anything. Why can't I have some conservative and liberal ideas, with a hint of libertarianism? They are not always contradictory. I think its such ***** that people have to be put into ONE category. But we'll see limbaughs fly before the party system is gone.
- kuys, on 08/31/2009, -2/+34I'm actually a librarian.
- srsgd8, on 08/30/2009, -3/+34I think one of the big issues is the separation into "economic" and "social" issues. They are one in the same. When government spends money, it does so by taking resources from someone who earned them. Confiscation of resources as a social issue is the bridge that ties social and economic freedom together, and it is the main idea that is missing in both parties. Without making this connection, it is impossible to be a consistent, principled person. When Republicans realise that the cannot impose social views on society while asking for economic freedom, and Democrats realise that you cannot support civil liberties without understanding that being free from an overbearing, over-sized government is also a civil liberty, we will be much better off as a nation.
- StefanKahuna, on 08/30/2009, -1/+30...and that's the reason why the Republican party is in trouble.
Anyone who dares to question the party line is told to get out. Colin Powell is only the most prominent example. - alais, on 08/30/2009, -16/+44After reading through this ridiculously painful list, I'm convinced the "Daily KOS" doesn't understand the difference between a state and the federal government; much less the difference between a liberal, conservative, or libertarian.
- Fabbyfubz, on 08/30/2009, -0/+27I did. Now I'm disappointed because I'll never know if I'm a librarian or not.
- mhummel, on 08/30/2009, -0/+269. You don't know the Dewey Decimal System
- Rikushix, on 08/30/2009, -10/+35Ron Paul is both a libertarian and a Republican. Note the capitals. One labels his affiliated party, the other labels his beliefs.
- axiomata, on 08/30/2009, -3/+28Might be the first time this libertarian ever dugg a dailykos diary.
- jeffiek, on 08/30/2009, -3/+27I agree completely, just one question.
When you have a big group of leftists. And a big group of rightists. And a little group of libertarians.
How do you stop them? - WhiteHatTrick, on 08/30/2009, -7/+30Why do so many people hate freedom? The terrorists hate your freedom. And by terrosits I mean the neo cons and neo libs Attempting to bring about the end of free humanity. Stop hating on the people protecting your liberties. I know the television trained you to do so but stop, just stop it.
- trebuchet03, on 08/30/2009, -1/+23VP is neither a check nor balance of the President.
- john2kx, on 08/30/2009, -0/+22The problem with using the "lib" abbreviation is that we don't know whether you're talking about liberal or libertarian.
- brad3378, on 08/30/2009, -8/+30Rand Paul (his son) supports the war in Afghanistan.
http://www.dailypaul.com/node/102373
Who is right? - zeth006, on 08/30/2009, -10/+31I think then we can all agree that the confusion over what exactly IS a Libertarian results more so from a lack of awareness of what these people actually stand for. It's become almost a "fad" for Republicans to declare themselves to be to Libs despite their being far from it! Trouble is...when you actually ask these Republicans whether they'd willingly support a "socially liberal" position like not policing a woman's uterus...suddenly being a Lib ain't so hip.
- afruff23, on 08/30/2009, -4/+25"libertarian" is not the same as "Libertarian"
- seanayb, on 08/30/2009, -9/+29***** you. Generalization-happy partisan hacks like yourself are part of the reason Libertarians disavow the two-party system.
- WhiteHatTrick, on 08/30/2009, -11/+31I fail to see the difference between a democrat and a neo con.
- spookyttws, on 08/30/2009, -1/+21This has less to do with not being a Libertarian and more "If you believe any of these things, you're most likely a Neo Conservative".
- kingcam, on 08/30/2009, -4/+24Hold on what type of Libertarian wants to balance things out? With one of the most left wing members of goverment non the less.
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