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- DeskFlyer, on 10/12/2007, -5/+65"Bush stands by al Qaeda, Saddam link"
http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/06/15/bush.alqaeda/
Oops. - populist, on 10/12/2007, -5/+60Didn't Atta, for example, live in Florida? By your logic, the presence of al-qaeda means the US military should attack. I guess you then support a military strike on Florida to root out any remaining parts of Atta's cell and support network.....
- eastbrook, on 10/12/2007, -5/+39Yet another attempt to revise history from the Bush spin team.
- thenativeraver, on 10/12/2007, -4/+35http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/09/06/five_years/main1980074.shtml
BUSH: There – it's – you know, one of the hardest parts of my job is to connect Iraq to the war on terror. I believe it. As I told you, Osama bin Laden believes it. - hawkeye17, on 10/12/2007, -8/+36Back on the job and lying already. Go figure.
- Waiting2awake, on 10/12/2007, -9/+35 Great, America's version of Bagdad Bob...
- zlintux, on 10/12/2007, -4/+30Al-Qaeda appears to be a loosely affiliated group.. I could probably declare myself the senior Al-Qaeda contact for the western US, and when homeland security came through my door to arrest me, you'd be hearing Bush talking about how they just took down a senior Al-Qaeda official.
By nature, a cell-based terrorist network doesn't have a strong structure, so sharing a common hatred and a self-proclaimed title is probably as that is needed.
So yeah, we invade Iraq, upset a lot of people there, and they suddenly become terrorist cells that may affiliate themselves with Al-Qaeda. Perhaps then other known terrorists in the network start to give these people advice?
We are the cause, and seemingly not the solution to such terrorist activities in Iraq. - flernk, on 10/12/2007, -7/+32Good thinking, klawz. It IS time to impeach the President.
The incompetence of several high ranking Administration officials is a much tighter link than Iraq's to Al Qaeda. - kenvsryu, on 10/12/2007, -3/+27Tony Snow a puppet of a puppet.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -6/+28From the Iraq War Resolution:
"Whereas the President and Congress are determined to continue to take all appropriate actions against international terrorists and terrorist organizations, including those nations, organizations or persons who planned, authorized, committed or aided the terrorist attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001, or harbored such persons or organizations;"
There was zero evidence for this -- Bush even said later that "we HAD no evidence." Lying to congress is a felony. - dukeeeey, on 10/12/2007, -5/+27Bush orders FBI to stop investigating Bin Laden before 911
http://www.prisonplanet.com/911.html#w199i
hum...... - pintomp3, on 10/12/2007, -2/+23we've always been at war with eurasia. seriously, who buys this *****? i know the pundits on fox news will say he's right, but do they honestly believe these bold faced lies?
- InetRoadkill, on 10/12/2007, -3/+23Bush could ***** a goat during the state of union address and the last 28% of his supporters would deny that it ever happened and blame the lib'rul media for fabricating the story.
- SuperMoses, on 10/12/2007, -2/+21LOL! He said "When I was a journalist". He must use that term loosely.
- aldente, on 10/12/2007, -4/+23"The battle of Iraq is one victory in a war on terror that began on September the 11, 2001 -- and still goes on. That terrible morning, 19 evil men -- the shock troops of a hateful ideology -- gave America and the civilized world a glimpse of their ambitions. They imagined, in the words of one terrorist, that September the 11th would be the 'beginning of the end of America.' By seeking to turn our cities into killing fields, terrorists and their allies believed that they could destroy this nation's resolve, and force our retreat from the world. They have failed."
- President Bush Announces Major Combat Operations in Iraq Have Ended, White House (5/1/2003) - BushOnIraq.com
Also try a google search results for "quotes linking al qaeda ties to iraq"
http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2004-06-16-al-qaeda-comments-by-bush_x.htm
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_oet&address=358x1293
Have they ever actually said "Saddam attacked the World Trade Center on 9/11"? No. But as you can see, they've repeatedly claimed there was some sort of causal link between Saddam Hussein and the terrorists who masterminded 9/11. And sadly, a significant number of Americans believed it. - emt1451, on 10/12/2007, -7/+25Did the tumor spread to his brain?
- JeremyTTU, on 10/12/2007, -5/+18At this point, the Bush Gang... (their gang sign is a middle finger) can say whatever the f*ck they want to about Saddam. How is he going to rebuke them.
He's totally dead. - jlhoben, on 10/12/2007, -4/+17It is true, the actual White House (the building) never did attempt to make any such link. Good snow job.
- thedarkrabbit, on 10/12/2007, -3/+15I can't wait to see the Daily show's take on this one....
- Beatmiser, on 10/12/2007, -4/+16Ahhh the Fallacies of Debate. You Subman697 have fallen into one of them.
Naturalistic fallacy. This is the fallacy of trying to derive conclusions about what is right or good (that is, about values) from statements of fact alone. This is invalid because no matter how many statements of fact you assemble, any logical inference from them will be another statement of fact, not a statement of value. If you wish to reach conclusions about values, then you must include amongst your assumptions (or axioms, or premises) a statement of value. Once you have an axiomatic statement of value, then you may use it in conjunction with statements of fact to reach value-laden conclusions
Ergo, saying 'We never said Iraq was responsible for 9/11' is the logical conclusion of saying 'Iraq harbors and aids Al Quaeda' and 'Al Quadea is responsible for 9/11' is a Naturalistic Fallacy, and might I add, a particularly lame one. This also falls slightly under 'Causality'. - UrbanVoyeur, on 10/12/2007, -3/+15"Tony Snow a puppet of a puppet."
No, he's a puppet of a tool. There's a difference. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -7/+17subman697 got owned.
- deathweaver108, on 10/12/2007, -4/+13"Oceania has always been at war with Eastasia"
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -5/+14subman:
>Rather than supplying an actual bush admin quote saying "Saddam was responsible for 9/11" in defense of the headline screaming about Tony Snow denying the admin ever said it, I get dugg down.
Let's try this again, subman:
>From the IRAQ WAR RESOLUTION:
>"Whereas the President and Congress are determined to continue to take all appropriate actions against international terrorists and terrorist organizations, INCLUDING THOSE NATIONS, organizations or persons who planned, authorized, committed or aided the terrorist attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001, or harbored such persons or organizations;"
>In my mind, the Bushies did the job they tried to do: Put the seed in your head, and let you make the connection, without EVER SAYING IT.
Well we can sort that all out at the trial. Too bad they put it in the Iraq war resolution and Bush subsequently said "we HAD no evidence". Did I mention that lying to congress is a felony? - edverb, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9"9/11=terror=Iraq", that's the formula. That's how they said it without saying it. Just use the word "terror" to describe both 9/11 and Iraq often enough, and people will conflate the two all on their own. Except it was a false connection. There was no connection.
This is how they mindtricked the public. Repetition of a single theme. 9/11=terror=Iraq.
The words "terror" or "terrorism" appear 18 times in Bush's first public speech on Iraq. That level of frequency is completely unsupported by the actual facts connecting the two.
These quotes conflating terror to Iraq are all from a SINGLE SPEECH delivered by Bush on 10/7/02. Link: http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/10/20021007-8.html
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"The threat comes from Iraq. It arises directly from the Iraqi regime's own actions -- its history of aggression, and its drive toward an arsenal of terror."
"the Iraqi regime was required to destroy its weapons of mass destruction, to cease all development of such weapons, and to stop all support for terrorist groups."
"We resolved then, and we are resolved today, to confront every threat, from any source, that could bring sudden terror and suffering to America."
"why be concerned now; about the link between Iraq developing weapons of terror, and the wider war on terror."
"all that might be required are a small container and one terrorist or Iraqi intelligence operative to deliver it."
"And that is the source of our urgent concern about Saddam Hussein's links to international terrorist groups."
"And we know that Iraq is continuing to finance terror and gives assistance to groups that use terrorism to undermine Middle East peace."
"We know that Iraq and the al Qaeda terrorist network share a common enemy -- the United States of America."
"And we know that after September the 11th, Saddam Hussein's regime gleefully celebrated the terrorist attacks on America."
"Iraq could decide on any given day to provide a biological or chemical weapon to a terrorist group or individual terrorists."
"Some have argued that confronting the threat from Iraq could detract from the war against terror. To the contrary; confronting the threat posed by Iraq is crucial to winning the war on terror. When I spoke to Congress more than a year ago, I said that those who harbor terrorists are as guilty as the terrorists themselves. Saddam Hussein is harboring terrorists and the instruments of terror, the instruments of mass death and destruction. And he cannot be trusted. The risk is simply too great that he will use them, or provide them to a terror network."
"Terror cells and outlaw regimes building weapons of mass destruction are different faces of the same evil. Our security requires that we confront both. And the United States military is capable of confronting both."
"And Saddam Hussein would be in a position to pass nuclear technology to terrorists."
"The world has tried no-fly zones to keep Saddam from terrorizing his own people"
"beyond the reach of Saddam Hussein's terror and murder"
"Iraq must end its support for terrorism."
"Failure to act would embolden other tyrants, allow terrorists access to new weapons and new resources"
"The dictator of Iraq is a student of Stalin, using murder as a tool of terror"
"People everywhere prefer freedom to slavery; prosperity to squalor; self-government to the rule of terror and torture. America is a friend to the people of Iraq."
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Every word in that speech was vetted and parsed...every choice of phrase is quite deliberate. It was designed to advance ONE theme: 9/11 = terror = Iraq. - AnotherCanadian, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9the way i see it, al quaeda is more an ideology. there really isnt much out there that demonstrates any sort of organized terror network beyond osama bin laden and a handful of fighters in the mountains of afganistan (especially considering they didnt find any substantial al quaeda presence in northern afganistan)
anyone interested in more should watch "The Power of Nightmares: The Rise of the Politics of Fear" - Djerrid, on 10/12/2007, -3/+11Fark headline:
God, Cheney battle for Tony Snow. Cheney wins - Domza, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9For some one who is the voice of the Whitehouse, he should really have a brain connected to it.
- thejackamo, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8*****.
from the 2003 State of the Union address:
"Evidence from intelligence sources, secret communications and statements by people now in custody reveal that Saddam Hussein aids and protects terrorists, including members of Al Qaida. Secretly, and without fingerprints, he could provide one of his hidden weapons to terrorists, or help them develop their own.
Before September the 11th, many in the world believed that Saddam Hussein could be contained. But chemical agents, lethal viruses and shadowy terrorist networks are not easily contained.
Imagine those 19 hijackers with other weapons and other plans, this time armed by Saddam Hussein. It would take one vial, one canister, one crate slipped into this country to bring a day of horror like none we have ever known."
how is it that this administration is getting away with so many LIES? - draebor, on 10/12/2007, -3/+10They should rename these official positions to be more realistic:
White House Press Secretary = White House Professional Liar
"We lie to the public so the president doesn't have to... as much" - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7And George never said "Mission Accomplished" in his speech that declared combat operations over in Iraq while standing under a banner (made by the White House staff) that said "Mission Accomplished."
The right wing needs to realize that lying about their lies isn't helping them. - sremick, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8Someone might want to tell that to the troops:
Almost 90% think war is retaliation for Saddam’s role in 9/11
http://www.zogby.com/NEWS/ReadNews.dbm?ID=1075
Of course, that might cause them to not want to fight. Can't let a little thing like the truth get in the way of the Bush agenda. Best to let the troops live in their (carefully orchestrated) delusion... - UrbanVoyeur, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8The Ministry of Truth is once again, fully operational.
- numbajohnny5, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7like we needed more lies anyway
remember these words?
WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION
impeach the bastard - StarManta, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8My favorite part is Snow's closing comment:
"So, uh, yeah." - joe573, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6You are right dewhead, the resolutions said very little about WMDs. But what was the only things we were hearing leading up to the war? 1. Iraq has WMDs. 2. Iraq has ties to Al-Queda. This is what they got caught lying about....not resolutions.
- InetRoadkill, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8Snow is probably referring to the Ansar al-Islam group who was hiding in Kurdish controlled northern Iraq and out of Saddam's reach. Ansar al-Islam is composed of radical Kurds and were no friend of Saddam. Saddam ran a secular govt and Ansar al-Islam is hard-core radical Islamic.
It's true that Bush never explicitly said Saddam was responsible for 9/11 (Cheney did and still does from time to time), but he sure as hell implied it. He continually intermixes discussions about 9/11 with Iraq, but always stops just short of saying Iraq planned 9/11. The intent is clear: link 9/11 and Iraq without actually saying it. It's an example of how to lie your ass off while leaving yourself an escape if you get caught. - reed311, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7Someone needs to find a way to blame this on Bill Clinton... and fast!!!
- knomevol, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7if there's one thing i cannot stand, it's a ***** liar.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6There must be 100s of clips of Rummy, Bush, Cheney, and Rice saying there's a Saddam-al Qaida link. Bush was still saying it last year! Do these people know about tape recorders and video cameras? WMDs? We know where they are. Just north of Tikrit. LOL!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OPwWnW-SGeU - wipis, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7Lie Lie and Lie and Lie some more and maybe people will believe you.
I'M NOT BUYING IT BUSH!!! This wouldn't be a big deal if something like this didn't come up every day. It just snowballs and makes me and I'm sure a lot of other people angrier and angrier everyday. - pintomp3, on 10/12/2007, -3/+8because he got cancer we are supposed to put up with his blatant lies?
- sharpfork, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4@Muyoso
Another GOP/Bush apologist talking like a lawyer...
You stated "Iraq = Al Qaeda Al Qaeda = 9/11 Iraq != 9/11" (!= means not equal FYI)
If you rewrite what you said using logic instead of truthiness, you get
Iraq = Al Qaeda, Al Qaeda = 9/11, then necessarily Iraq = 9/11
This is a Transitive relation..
"if A = B and B = C, then necessarily A = C"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transitive_relation#Examples
In other words, you are full of *****. - labmouse42, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Not just truth!
That's Truthiness!!!!! - joe573, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4http://www.crooksandliars.com/2007/04/30/bill-kristol-blames-clinton-calls-tenet-crybaby/
You knew it was going to happen. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5dewhead:
>Of course, you all aren't looking at the facts of what was said. I guess you think if you keep saying it over and over it will make it true. Here are several transcripts of what actually happened.. I doubt any of you will even take the time to be educated.
Actually the 1998 resolution specifically excluded our military from direct involvement. - Osjpr, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4It's sad people/voters are like babies. Repeat it after me, "terror.....Iraq.....9/11....terror.....Iraq....9/11"
I guess this is what happens when you create a society in which citizens are rewarded for being ignorant and rewarded for not caring or paying attention. Someone who has absolutely no knowledge of the world is not able to vote accurately. - EntropyMan, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6I used to think that people who had brushes with death would choose to turn their lives around, renounce all the *****, and make major changes to be the best human beings they could. You'd think that would be more common.
But I've learned that just isn't true. I know plenty of people who were ***** before they almost died and were even bigger ***** after.
Snow should resign, get a real job, and enjoy life for a change. He's not cut out for this. - glitch47, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6
Do these people know that the internet exists and things they say are archived?
I mean, seriously, this is just retarded. - baseballpm, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4all I can say is ***** Awesome...it really truly is, the fact that they can just lie I mean flat out lie. not like they are skirting the issue in a round about way, just flat out say the opposite. I almost wish i could do that, but I would have to lop my head off
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