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- sultanknish, on 02/25/2009, -21/+167And that's just the beginning. This guy has stood up for every dictatorship he could find.
He took a million from the Saudis. He defended Saddam. He defended Iran. He accused Taiwan of trying to provoke a war with China. - gbudavid, on 02/25/2009, -18/+150And Hillary said that we are going to give China a pass on human rights It is just FUBAR
- sultanknish, on 02/25/2009, -21/+110and this guy was in business with the Bin Laden group
http://digg.com/politics/National_Intelligence_Cou ...
wow Obama really picked a prize here - sultanknish, on 02/25/2009, -23/+75FTA
I do not believe it is acceptable for any country to allow the heart of its national capital to be occupied by dissidents intent on disrupting the normal functions of government, however appealing to foreigners their propaganda may be.
I thus share the hope of the majority in China that no Chinese government will repeat the mistakes of Zhao Ziyang's dilatory tactics of appeasement in dealing with domestic protesters in China. - HappyScrappy, on 02/26/2009, -6/+55The linked article draws a scare conclusion from the text they post. He says in the text that if the Chinese had acted more quickly to defuse the initial demonstrations, there never would have been mass demonstrations and thus they wouldn't have had inflicted so many casualties on their own people in the later stages of the demonstrations.
That text does not lead to the scare conclusion that article draws which is that the critique is that the Chinese didn't kill enough people (act harshly enough).
So the writer suggests how casualties could have been avoided and the article and digg summary flip it to say he suggested that the massacre was right.
It sounds like the complaint they should have is that Chas seems to say that the protesters were not right to protest about their concerns. Not that he endorses slaughter. - nikitab, on 02/25/2009, -13/+59Wait, is he talking about the failure of the government to prevent the demonstrations or is he talking about the use of military force? Because if his point is that the government could have prevented military operation by dispersing the crowd early on, then he may have a point. We are not arguing morality here - we are arguing efficiency: if the government could have prevented this demonstration from happening, there would not have been a military action and the resulting deaths...
I would like to know the context of this email. To label him a proponent of dictatorial regimes because of that post, which was made on a listserv, I think would be a knee-jerk reaction... - existing, on 02/25/2009, -6/+43This 'pick' was no mistake.
- fadeout, on 02/26/2009, -10/+46The quote in the title *isn't even in the article.*
I'm all for debate on what's good for the Chinese or Americans, which may be very different things, but this submission is not that. Buried as inaccurate fear mongering. - ASfinkterSezWut, on 02/26/2009, -18/+51OMFG! Can we get someone else who isn't freakin Stalin reincarnated please?
Is there an option for a guy who hasn't paid taxes in years - even that would be better!
WTF man ??? Where is Obama digging these idiots up from? - 007kz, on 02/26/2009, -1/+33Random fun fact: The current Premier of China (Wen Jiabao) actually sided with the protesters during the massacre >_>
- govsucks, on 02/25/2009, -28/+57Just more proof that the only way to talk a collectivist into leaving you alone is with a firearm.
- RainCloud, on 02/26/2009, -14/+40argumentum ad hominem
- Mihey, on 02/26/2009, -1/+24In related news, China has blocked Digg!
- Howitzer86, on 02/26/2009, -1/+24I see absolutely nothing wrong with what you said. Dissent is the American way. No one should ever love their government, instead they should be critical and suspicious of it.
- MonkeyOverlord, on 02/26/2009, -3/+22From TFA: "I await the brickbats of those who insist on a politically correct -- i.e. non Burkean conservative -- view. "
Something tells me that if Edmund Burke were still alive, he would have taken the nastiest shillelagh he could find and unleash a furious cluestick beating on Chas Freeman for taking his conservative views and warping them to justify the mass murder of students modestly demanding rights from a savagely tyrannical government whose policies are anathema to everything conservatives like Burke believed in. - CYCLEORDIE, on 02/26/2009, -6/+24China kill so many people for dissent it's not funny. They harvested the organs from live falun dafa practitioners. How has anything changed? The people should have a right to peaceably assemble. When a government oppresses this, it's fascism.
- Deeh, on 02/26/2009, -3/+20That would be the one....
The whole right against left thing is a big joke designed to keep us fighting with each other while the our corporate overlords pick our pockets! - pintomp3, on 02/26/2009, -37/+54reason.com? nice source:
Jacob Sullum is the senior editor of Reason,, a monthly magazine published by the Reason Foundation. Sullum's positions on tobacco issues have consistenly been supportive of the tobacco industry. The Advocacy Institute, in their November, 1994 Directory of Tobacco Industry Spokespersons, Front Groups and their Allies, says,
The Reason Foundation received at least $10,000 from Philip Morris in 1993. He [Sullum] wrote an article for Forbes Media Critic which was later used in a week-long advertising series by Philip Morris; the report argued that the EPA findings on secondhand smoke were one-sided and represented the "corruption of science by the political crusade against smoking." He also wrote an op-ed for the Wall Street Journal criticizing the EPA, claiming that the agency based its findings on ETS on "several controversial assumptions;" this op-ed was later featured in an RJR advertisement. Both of these articles cited the work of Dr.Gary Huber, a scientist funded by various tobacco companies, who had found the risks of ETS to be only minimal. The Media Critic article also cited the work of Alvan Feinstein, who received at least $700,000 from Brown &Williamson between 1985 and 1990. Sources:Extra, September/October 1994, p.18; Wall Street Journal,3- 24-94, p.A23
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Reason_ ... - pintomp3, on 02/26/2009, -7/+23The Bin Laden group? The multinational corporation that does business with the Bush family and the Carlyle Group?
- CYCLEORDIE, on 02/26/2009, -6/+21F china
- Paulish, on 02/26/2009, -10/+24Whats that got to do with THIS article?
- blangenfeld, on 02/26/2009, -5/+19It's not a democrat or republican thing... they ALL lie, unfortunately.
- whiledo, on 03/25/2009, -3/+17"All people have the right to be free."
Not really. Only people who stand up and fight for that right have it. We've learned the hard way that you can't bring a concept like that to a populace that isn't yet striving for it. - fraggle35, on 02/26/2009, -9/+23is the Obama honeymoon over already?
- dkapuchino, on 02/26/2009, -6/+20Obama would be wise to stop this nomination, before he has to deal with another resignation, and having to admit he "screwed up".
- ProaSailor, on 02/26/2009, -9/+23Interesting... according to this page, he is "a longtime critic of Israel and the Iraq War":
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/02/23/controv ...
In a speech to the Pacific Council on International Policy in October 2007, Freeman said the U.S. has "abandoned the role of Middle East peacemaker to back Israel's efforts to pacify its captive and increasingly ghettoized Arab populations."
"We wring our hands while sitting on them as the Jewish state continues to seize ever more Arab land for its colonists," he said. "This has convinced most Palestinians that Israel cannot be appeased and is persuading increasing numbers of them that a two-state solution is infeasible ... killing, incarcerating, or otherwise humiliating Arabs and other Muslims who sympathize with Al Qaeda does not defeat the enemy; it aids him."
In reference to the Iraq war, Freeman said, "Now the United States has brought the Palestinian experience -- of humiliation, dislocation, and death -- to millions more in Afghanistan and Iraq.
"By invading Iraq, we transformed an intervention in Afghanistan most Muslims had supported into what looks to them like a wider war against Islam. We destroyed the Iraqi state and catalyzed anarchy, sectarian violence, terrorism and civil war in that country."
And this: http://thinkprogress.org/2009/02/24/freeman-nation ...
"Right Wing Outraged At Chas Freeman’s Appointment To Head National Intelligence Council" - ontain, on 02/26/2009, -0/+13well they have 700 billion of our debt and we need them to buy more.
They can do most anything they want. - btschul, on 02/26/2009, -12/+25Maybe Obama will get him to head up his new "Civilian Security Force".
- Greengoo, on 02/26/2009, -0/+12FUBAR stems back from wayyyyyyyyy before left 4 dead kiddo.
- taosbob, on 02/26/2009, -0/+11It's true that Wen Jiabao appeared next to Zhao Ziyang in the famous photo Zhao appealing to the students to stand down, having made their point. But one has to ask, then, how did Wen's career flourish when Zhao was effectively put under house arrest and "disappeared" until his death in 2005? Most Chinese intellectuals I've asked on the topic (professors at top universities in Beijing) hold the cynical view that Wen's job was to report on Zhao to his opponents. Wen may present the softer face of the current leadership team, but for his to survive and rise during the Jiang Zimin, Li Peng era almost guarantees that he betrayed Zhao Ziyang in a fundamental way. Ergo, I am skeptical about the claim that Wen actually sided with the protesters.
- dkapuchino, on 02/26/2009, -3/+14So denying personal freedoms and liberties is okay, if we prevent a civil war?
- zsavior, on 02/26/2009, -11/+21What the hell; If Obama picks this Guy I am not going to even act like he is anything but a fraud. Ism't this what American officials want the populous to do in countries we say are dictatorships? Don't we put forward the idea that the people should rise up in middle eastern countries filled with Tyranny and we will side with them. What happened to "I will give out my hand if you Unclench your fist"?
This man stands on the side of any governmental power to be able to run over their people if they dare stand up in Unison and rebel against tyranny, I can't believe Obama would pick this guy. I mean I never been a fan of him but I was at least open to giving him a shot. There really better be more to this story, because if not that means this administration will call for people in other countries to stand up just to watch them be massacred by their governments. I really hope this is not true, I can't see how this can be his choice. - afruff23, on 02/26/2009, -4/+14So what? That still doesn't affect the truth value of the claims. Of course, the fact that they were wrong about other things brings their reputation up to questioning, but that in and of itself is not enough to disprove a claim. For example, you dugg a consumerist article when the consumerist has lied in the past. So either you like to intentionally promote false stories or reputation in and of itself does not invalidate a claim.
- SatoriSeeker, on 02/26/2009, -2/+11For some reason public school teachers don't teach their kids that. Seems to have an adverse affect on their government job.
- jsmith39, on 02/26/2009, -6/+15"And that's just the beginning. This guy has stood up for every dictatorship he could find."
Proof? Links to articles? Anything other than speculation and empty statements? - Chakat, on 02/26/2009, -5/+14bu-bu-but Bush. Come on, it sucked when the neocons pointed out all of Clinton's flaws when Bush did something wrong, can you at least try to be better than them? This guy said some things that sucks. If you want ethics and change in politics, you have to criticize your guys when they do something wrong as well.
- wookieninja, on 02/26/2009, -9/+18They've killed over a million Tibetans during their invasion of that country, it's amazing that some of you lemming are now just finding a voice to speak out about China now. There have been many of us protesting against China before Obama.
- jameskong15, on 02/26/2009, -3/+11Summary of pin's argument:
Hitler says the sky is blue, but since Hitler is a liar and not trustworthy, the sky must not be blue.
Try arguing against the content (sky is blue) rather than those who produced the content (Hitler). It'll get you much further. - RussellDovey, on 02/26/2009, -3/+11What are you on? He was CLEARLY shaking hands with Hu Jintao in that picture.
- azneggrollz, on 02/26/2009, -4/+12Tell me when the PRC has ever ruled Taiwan...tell me who has the missiles aimed at who...tell me who is constantly abusing their status to keep who out of organizations that benefit people, such as the WHO. Then you tell me who is being more provocative. The status quo has to go. Taiwan has been striving for independence, unfortunately, there is a dumbass of a president in place now who is calling his promises during the campaign that brought about his victory "just slogans." The referendum failed because of China, had there been no threat, that would have passed with a huge majority.
- inactive, on 02/26/2009, -7/+15All people have the right to be free.
- Barackalypse, on 02/26/2009, -7/+14That's substantially less scary to me than Rahm Emanual, Obama's Chief of Staff, discussing his plan for college aged kids to undergo 3 months of "Universal Civil Defense" training. Although, I guess now I know what they intend to do to anyone that stands up to protest being forced to participate.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l0B7dOQwKm0&eur ... - bactin, on 02/26/2009, -1/+8This is ridiculous. Why haven't we heard more about this in the news?
- SchmuckofNI, on 02/26/2009, -7/+14Give it time and we will see some more horrible people filling those cabinet posts. Man, what was America thinking when 56% of the populace voted for O'delilama?
- yukonblack, on 02/26/2009, -5/+12He's not the only one. Henry Kissinger defended the massacre as well. "His consultancy firm, Kissinger Associates, set up the China Ventures fund with CITIC in 1989, which would be in the same year that he defended the Tiananmen Square massacre, arguing against sanctions being placed on China."
http://www.wikiprotest.com/index.php?title=Henry_K ... - geoffg, on 02/26/2009, -2/+9Bush? Who cares.
- Scottamus, on 02/26/2009, -1/+8I suppose MLK's march on Washington DC in '63 for civil rights should have been nipped in the bud too then.
- TypeEE, on 02/26/2009, -1/+8Thailand was occupied a while ago and the government didn't have to use tanks and machine guns. I think it is just unforgivable to kill your citizens like that.
- shiv68, on 02/26/2009, -10/+17
Remeber the night all you bastards were crying when Obama got elected? Well haha. - Thuban, on 02/26/2009, -1/+8So because the other guys were idiots your guys get a pass on their *****? What kind of logic is this?
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