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ThinkProgress one of America’s ‘most dangerous organizations.’

thinkprogress.org — The conservative front group Family Security Matters (FSM) today released its list of “The Ten Most Dangerous Organizations in America.” ThinkProgress earned the 10th spot in the rankings....

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  • Insightful, on 11/06/2007, -24/+181I am proud to say I a a member of more than one of those dangerous organizations. We should tried to get Digg on this list too!
    • tyho, on 10/26/2007, -13/+6By not being on the list Digg was given its proper significance.
      • LeeSoong, on 10/28/2007, -0/+1Right - Because * Thinking * is a dangerous activity to the current administration.

        RON PAUL!
    • 5urr3al5am, on 11/02/2007, -7/+20They are listed because they represent some of the most liberal and secular progressive groups out there...
      • empraptor, on 10/26/2007, -1/+12Don't digg this guy down. He's just saying the organizations are there because of their political leanings, rather than actual danger to anyone.

        Though how "Muslim Student Association" plays into the secular thing I don't know.
        • Elranzer, on 10/26/2007, -3/+16According to Christian Conservatives™ both the Muslims and liberals are all terrorists.
          • Terr01, on 10/26/2007, -1/+8And every single just-arrested detainee in Guantanamo. Doesn't matter if they haven't been *charged* with any crimes, because the presumption of innocence is so quaint.
        • Tangaroa, on 10/26/2007, -4/+4A number of Muslim student groups have been caught openly supporting Hamas. Google the Irvine Intifada for an example. These incidents have been big news on the conservative blogosphere, but have not been picked up by the mainstream media or the liberal blogosphere despire certain incidents being legitimate candidates for national attention.
          • wageslaven, on 10/27/2007, -2/+4Hamas is an organization of resistence fighters in their homeland. They arent random criminals.
          • Fordi, on 11/11/2007, -0/+2Wow, it's like you've never seen a Venn diagram.
            "A number of Muslim student groups have been caught openly supporting Hamas."

            'A number of', for this exercise, shall be equivalent to 'some'. So, if some muslim student organizations support hamas, does X muslim student organization support hamas?

            The answer is, 'too little information'.

            Similarly, I can state, with some certainty, that 'a number of' christian churches support the Klu Klux Klan. Does that necessarily mean that *your* church does? Since there isn't enough information to verify such a claim, the answer is 'no, not necessarily'.

            Of course, in this age where if it's not an American flag, one can assume it's a bomb without much question going into the matter, I guess such actual critical thought doesn't come into it.
      • empraptor, on 10/29/2007, -1/+3I just looked at the list again because of another commenter. Universities and colleges? All of them? lol...

        Also, I apologize for forgetting /sarc on the previous comment. I realize parent commenter was just trying to be an idiot and thinks it's bad to be called liberal or secular.
    • shellacked, on 10/29/2007, -3/+49I love how Universities and Colleges made #2 in their list of "most dangerous organizations."

      Their contempt for higher education speaks volumes about the value of them and their list.
      • twinklyJesus, on 10/29/2007, -38/+11It's not contempt for higher education. It is contempt for the political indoctrination of impressionable minds with one-sided liberal socialist political viewpoints while completely disallowing opposing conservative arguments. That is what they are referring to.
        • saifatlast, on 10/29/2007, -5/+35You haven't been to college, have you?
        • fanclerks, on 10/26/2007, -2/+6@saifatlast

          Isn't it obvious?
        • Charlotte_Web, on 10/29/2007, -10/+5Ironic how the liberals dugg twinklyJesus down for saying that liberals suppress other opinions.
          • wageslaven, on 10/29/2007, -0/+9He was dugg down because he is paranoid and wrong.
        • t0ken, on 11/04/2007, -2/+8"...completely disallowing opposing conservative arguments."
          Funny you should mention that; I remember just yesterday watching a (fairly long) video compilation of O'Riley telling anyone and every one to "Shut Up."
        • wakananda, on 11/04/2007, -2/+8You're an anti-intellectual whack job, whose college experience is apparently limited to Bob Jones "University" or the like. I've had testy bigots like you in my classes, who resent being made to reason critically, and posture as victim whenever their dogmatic beliefs are interrogated with logic. You are the rot in the American apple; the reason why we will end up a third rate power, sold out to global pirates - if not driven to the brink of a "holy" nuclear (excuse me: nuke-u-lar) war first.
        • Fordi, on 11/04/2007, -1/+1"It's not contempt for higher education."
          O-ho?
          "It is contempt for the political indoctrination of impressionable minds with one-sided liberal socialist political viewpoints while completely disallowing opposing conservative arguments."

          Hm. I went to college in politically left Philadelphia, and strangely enough, my poli-sci and other policy-oriented classes were absolutely rife with both conservative professors and viewpoints - always with the ability to disagree.

          Though, a strange thing. The conservatives on campus were always the ones loudly whining away about how they're being repressed and how they're not getting fair time - yet, since they were mostly aligned with the fraternal organizations, always seemed to have the lion's share of venues and organizational talk time.

          The greatest myth told to the ignorant public these days is that college is a haven for 'liberal propaganda'. This is a lie. It's a haven for propaganda on the right and left wing. It's just that, in recent days, the popular portion of the right wing have become more and more ... loony ... and those intelligent enough to get into and through college tend to notice these things. They also notice a lot of the hypocrisies of the left wing as well, but normally see the left wing as a vaguely less corrupted and/or crazy option.

          They're wrong, of course - the left wing is getting just as loopy - but when you've only GOT two options, you have to vote for someone.

          Fortunately, there are some interesting candidates on the horizon on both sides. Perhaps this primary will yield a better set of choices than the last one.

          But I digress. The point is that their contempt is not for propaganda. It's for giving people the tools to be critical. Listen to any right-wing pundit speak for ten seconds, and you'll see how they feel about critical thought.
      • quaxon, on 10/29/2007, -3/+11Exaclty, and christians will still argue that they are not anti-knowledge and havent been holding back humanity from 200+years of medical and scientific progress.
        • KungFuJesus, on 10/26/2007, -2/+4meant to digg u up, accidentally clicked burry

          :(
        • Fordi, on 10/29/2007, -0/+1All the while, claiming to be politically repressed, while also being the in the majority so far as major secular subdivisions go.
    • DavidYeah, on 10/26/2007, -1/+15I wonder if they know that Center for American Progress and ThinkProgress are parts of the same organization.
      • moxx, on 10/26/2007, -2/+6That would require research...and well...thats what they do at their #2 "most dangerous organizations"...

        On another note...They should list themselves...
        • Fordi, on 10/29/2007, -0/+1On another note... in this age of community driven content, am I the only person who thinks that having no comments section on an opinion piece is the height of bad netiquette?
    • DangerCollie, on 10/26/2007, -0/+7I'm going to join now. That's quite an endorsement. :)
    • DiscoJohn, on 10/27/2007, -0/+0I'm a proud contributing member to the top three most dangerous organizations in America!
      Where is Scientology on this list?
    • LastVisibleDog, on 11/06/2007, -1/+1Insightful - Mr. Propaganda - is a member of propaganda operations. Wow. Just wow.

      If it is ThinkProgress, it is inaccurate.
  • hawkeye17, on 10/29/2007, -27/+271More proof that there are about 20% of all Americans that are Right Wing idiots who have totally lost their minds since 9/11. Now "colleges and universities" are "dangerous" to this nation??! I mean....what the *****??!
    • yakimushi, on 10/27/2007, -12/+90Don't you know that independant though is bad for your health? Now go read your Bible and be a good little American.
      /sarcasm (though I would hope that was evident)
      • moin1097, on 10/26/2007, -74/+13Don't you know that independant though is bad for your health? Now go read your thinkprogress/rawstory/huffingtonpost/democraticunderground and be a good little liberal.
        • themouth, on 10/26/2007, -3/+49Thanks for providing hawkeye17 with an example
          • Btzarro, on 10/29/2007, -7/+10Repugnican: duhhhh Whats an example
        • sn8ke01, on 10/26/2007, -13/+5Actually, it would be the Communist Manifesto (abolish property rights, religion, etc...) if where talking "liberal", but I don't see anything wrong with differing view points even if they are heavily leaning in one direction or another. Is it not my (our) responsibility to research and decide for our self what is appropriate and not swallow some piece of trash just because it was feed to us by our liberal/conservative mouth-pieces?
          • twinklyJesus, on 10/26/2007, -21/+4The trouble is, colleges/Universities do not offer "differing viewpoints." The overwhelming majority of academia are extreme liberal fanatics and do not promote, even remotely, a balanced approach to political discourse.
          • 10lbhammer, on 11/04/2007, -3/+17twinky: I call *****, man. maybe you've never been past high school, but when I was at university it was all *about* teaching differing viewpoints. example: if you want to learn about how good christianityjudaism/islam is for your soul, go to church/temple/mosque. if you want to learn the objective truth about how religion works in our society, go take a comparative religion course...
        • 5urr3al5am, on 10/26/2007, -24/+7Independent thought..? .. at a University? That's laughable... 95% of the professors at the ivy league colleges share group think and get ridiculed if they think otherwise
          • HOOKSTER1231, on 11/11/2007, -3/+15What Ivy league did you attend? Because im sure that you would not be commenting about something you know nothing about.
          • StaticThunder, on 10/26/2007, -1/+9Where do you get your statistics? Or is this another one of the ones pulled out of your ass?
          • tsf5000, on 11/11/2007, -2/+11I'm pretty sure 5urr3al5am has never set foot in any university classroom, much less an ivy league one.
        • saifatlast, on 10/26/2007, -3/+14Well, in all fairness, there are non-independent-thinking huffington post, raw story, and everything else readers, too. It's just a question of the trend.

          Also, this is getting to be more about Bush supporters vs. everyone else, as opposed to conservatives vs. liberals, because there are rational conservatives and rational liberals, but not rational Bush supporters.
        • GRTWHT, on 10/26/2007, -4/+8Wish I could digg you up 1000 times saifatlast - a voice of reason and moderation surrounded by extremists.
        • Fordi, on 10/29/2007, -0/+1I wish some of the extremist conservatives would read the Bible once in a while...

          "Do not call conspiracy/everything that these people call conspiracy/do not fear what they fear/and do not dread it." (Isiah 8:12)

          This was said about your enemies and about those who would wield power over you. In short, if anyone says, "They're out to get us!", you might want to find out the whole story for yourself. Iraq, Iran, 9/11, Terrars, bombings... too seldom does the political right go any farther in thinking than, "how can we make these people not exist?" I think once, back in 2001, did I hear anything resembling such critical thought - though it only went so far as "Why do these people hate us?", and was only answered so far as "Because they hate freedom."

          I submit that such a response is not an actual answer, and is, in fact, a complete fabrication. Why would someone half a world away give a DAMN about your freedom? There's more to it, and the answer is out there if you pay attention.

          "Test everything. Hold on to the good." (1 Thessalonians 5:21)

          I like to think that this is a biblical call for science - but in reality, its context shows it to be a call for critical political examination. The reason I'd like people on both sides of the political spectrum to take this one to heart: too many times, a political pundit or random political junkie will dismiss a solution, candidate, shift in policy, etc, simply because they can't immediately wrap their heads around it. This is commonly referred to as 'ignorance', and both sides of the spectrum are guilty of it.
      • saifatlast, on 10/26/2007, -1/+3That 'merican, terrorist.
    • kleric, on 10/26/2007, -4/+66This is the one that stuck out to me too.
      God forbid we have an educated populace.
      • haiduz, on 10/26/2007, -0/+11They want stupid sheep followers who wont ask questions.
    • nblsavage, on 10/27/2007, -9/+82the uneducated are more easily swayed by religion.
      • faskill, on 10/26/2007, -28/+12What about the Mormons? The valedictorian for my graduating class was mormon with a 100% attendance rate who maintained a constant 4.0 GPA. I constantly chatted with the the person and each conversation proved the intelligence of the other. Oh, and the runner up for the valedictorian was also mormon... Oh, and I didn't attend a primarily mormon school.
        Anyone can be swayed by religion. People that want something more than they have sometimes fill the void with religion. I forgot where I was going with this rant... perhaps I'm just too stupid to remember... then again, I'm not religious.
        • nblsavage, on 10/26/2007, -3/+48I said the uneducated were more easily swayed...that isn't the same thing as saying that the educated can't be religious.
        • faskill, on 10/26/2007, -8/+4Well said... I guess I was arguing a different perspective of your point. If the uneducated are religious, then the religious *could* be considered uneducated.
        • masterm1nd, on 10/29/2007, -19/+16The uneducated are more easily swayed by ANYTHING, not just religion. So that would include thinkprogress, rawstory etc...
          • dvdrtrgn, on 10/26/2007, -9/+27Religion requires less thought.
          • vuke69, on 10/26/2007, -4/+14@dvdrtrgn
            Correction, religion actively discourages thought.
        • nblsavage, on 10/26/2007, -4/+21Valid point masterm1nd. I agree that everyone should examine where they get their information from. So that would include Fox News, LittleGreenFootballs and Family Security Matters as well.
          • mightydavefish, on 10/26/2007, -3/+12Watch out if you examine LGF. The stink doesn't come off.
          • masterm1nd, on 10/26/2007, -9/+2So are you admitting that your original point is null and was nothing more than a cheap shot at religion and opposing viewpoints?
    • gropo, on 10/26/2007, -5/+18Forums for reasoned arguments with egalitarian treatment of opposing viewpoints is just askin' fer trouble.
      You're either with our official right-wing marching orders or you're against us. America, ***** yeah.
    • Mononuclear, on 10/26/2007, -5/+26Lets ban all universities and colleges that promote throught!!!
      • moskaudancer, on 10/26/2007, -0/+7Dammit, these Pop-Tarts are really crumbly... they're getting everywhere... >:(
    • rendereduseless, on 10/26/2007, -2/+16ignorance is bliss
    • 1of42, on 10/26/2007, -3/+13Yeah, that particular one is absurd. Not surprising though - certain conservative ideologies (especially social conservative ideologies) abhor educated people. On the other hand, the point that universities are biased to the left is a valid one, though whether or not that's a result of some kind of inherent unreasonable bias or of the fact that center-left ideology isn't as ***** up as neoconservativism, remains unclear. :P

      However, I'm happy to be in attendance at a prominent member of the 2nd most dangerous organization in the US. :D
      • quaxon, on 10/26/2007, -1/+3I am a political science major at what is touted as one of the most liberal schools in the country and the majority of teachers ive had throughout my history there ive not been able to discern what side of the spectrum they lean. Hell this semester i am taking a class on corruption in politics and the teacher is an Isreali who has proposed that the world bank is a fighting force to corruption.
        • wageslaven, on 10/26/2007, -0/+2I hope youre only in your first semester. If a PS major still falls for the left vs. right false dichitomy, Im surprised. I hope you're actually trying to suggest that...

          As for the WB, they are the international plutocarcy. That is all.

          Read this:
          http://www.economichitman.com/confessions/confessi ...
        • mrurc, on 10/26/2007, -0/+1digging wageslaven for proper use of "dichotomy" even if it has a typo. For all you people who use your instead of you're and claim that it is a typo, that is a typo. Hitting the key next to the one you want is a typo. Using a possessive noun instead of a noun verb contraction? Not a typo.
        • shupy, on 10/29/2007, -0/+1I recommend skipping the political science and doing a little time in the English department.
    • tehpwnrate, on 10/29/2007, -2/+14Yeah, that's pretty damn stupid. Actually, the whole list is damn stupid. No organization or institution like this is "dangerous" to America, right or left. They're part of the political process.
    • EarlOfLade, on 10/26/2007, -4/+14Them liberul universities and colleges are teaching "evilution" and "Big Bang-no god" anti-christian dogma and they claim the earth is older than 6000 years and that no global flood ever happened. Of course they are EVIL!
      • mrurc, on 10/26/2007, -0/+1They don't teach that no global flood ever happened. They just differ in opinion about whether it not any previous global flood was caused by God.
      • WaterDragon, on 10/26/2007, -0/+1Yup. Why just yesterday, i was talkin' to mah wife an' mah sister, and I sez to her...
    • Stevethegreat, on 10/26/2007, -2/+5Too bad they're ignorant enough to see that their the cancer of this nation. I mean cancerous cells also think they're a part of the organism but instead -in fact- they kill it from the inside.
    • airwalkery2k, on 10/29/2007, -1/+13All the political classes I've taken in college have been rather open as far as viewpoints go. I had one particular extremely liberal professor, but he was open about his bias, and had a number of conservative students counter him in class discussions and never graded against viewpoints. I'd say if you had a biased professor on either side of the fence, you should just drop that class and try your luck with a new professor.
    • GRTWHT, on 10/26/2007, -2/+3Dead on the money hawkeye17...too bad that so many that replied to you took the extremists approach, further proving your point and proving that there's plenty at the other end of the spectrum as well.
    • notthemama, on 10/29/2007, -3/+10I laughed when I saw the ACLU is on the list. The ACLU is a hate organization?
      I guess these idiots consider that anyone who holds an opposite bias must be a hate organization.
      Oddly, I've been called an extremist by both side. lol. Both the left wing and the right wing consider me an extremist because I don't agree with them. The left wingers were the ones that actually called me nasty names though.
      • wageslaven, on 10/29/2007, -0/+6"that anyone who holds an opposite bias "

        The ACLU doesnt hold an opposing bias. They litigate to preserve your civil rights. That is all. No bias. No left-right nonsense.

        It just happens that the Right Wing routinely tries to deny the rights of Americans, this is the reason they appear "of the left", because they have been put in the position of undoing conservative encroachment.
      • mrurc, on 10/26/2007, -0/+1They don't declare them a hate organization. They call them one of the biggest threats to America. The question is, in what way are they a threat to America? Because the fight for due process? Because the expose fraud, deceit, and illegal acts done by our government? Because they cut into the writers' profits?

        Because as the original author states, they fought on behalf of the Bong Hits for Jesus kid? Was that kid THAT much of a threat to America? Sheesh. Way to go kid. Keep up the good work!
    • fixedcoma, on 10/26/2007, -4/+3For it is all this Christian and catholic hostility that made me denounce my religion and become Muslim! Thank you for letting me see the light!
      • wageslaven, on 10/26/2007, -5/+2Perhaps you should lookup what Muslims think of the Christian Bible & Jesus.
        • k3ano, on 10/26/2007, -0/+1They think what most "rational" Christians think, that Jesus was an authentic prophet and that "most" of the writings from the Bible are neither the word of God or Jesus.
    • badarabdad, on 10/26/2007, -1/+1this one confuses me too, but i've seen it many times. they are really afraid of reason. it scares the ***** out of them to have to think about their position and defend it in debate. they view the "liberal colleges and universities" as a threat to their position (which is the result of pure superstition and "gut feeling"). every time you vote republican, you are supporting these bigots.
    • Fordi, on 10/29/2007, -0/+1Correction. The uneducated are easily manipulated. Religion makes it easier to sway the educated, but only so much.

      A good theological scholar will point out the points of immense wisdom that can be found in religious text. There are quite a bit of them, you know. The problem is that those that are uneducated AND religious - those who can't be bothered to examine the texts of their own faith, or who are willing to believe propagandist interpretations of their texts - can be swayed as far as becoming willing murderers. This is true of all religions. Muslim has the perrenial example of the suicide bomber, but the US religious right - though they act with armies and bombs - is just as guilty of becoming zealotous homicidal maniacs as terrorists.

      Yes, I said that the current administration is not morally different from terroristic organizations. Being able to sit back in an office chair while you send others to murder for your idealism and financial interests is just as bad as walking into a crowded room with a bomb strapped to your chest. The only *real* difference is that once the smoke has cleared, you're still alive to kill more people.
  • thejoshuablog, on 10/27/2007, -14/+118Isn't it ironic (and painfully obvious) how real hate groups are the first to scream 'haters!'? It's a typical tactic of these right wing loons... just like O'Rally, Hannity and Limpdick all telling their flocks how these same organizations on this list (except for FRC) are "communists", Nazis, hate mongers, un-American, etc, when in fact that's exactly what they are and it's exactly the type of country they want YOU to live in. It's their way or the highway and if your don't agree, you're not a real American. That's also the 25% who still support the idiot in chief btw. THEY are the minority.
    • faskill, on 10/26/2007, -11/+19The ACLU isn't a hate group and they are sometimes first to scream "haters"
      • notthemama, on 10/29/2007, -1/+7But according to the list, they ARE a hate group. Didn't you read it? lol.
      • wageslaven, on 10/29/2007, -1/+7"The ACLU isn't a hate group and they are sometimes first to scream "haters"

        Can you explain this? For the life of me, I cannot understand how Americans are so unaware of what and how the ACLU operates. They are nonpartisal and apolitical.

        American *CIVIL LIBERTIES* Union. When on earth would they "scream haters"? This does. not. compute.
        • manchu2, on 10/29/2007, -1/+2The ACLU? "Nonpartisal"(sic) and "apolitical"? LOL...which Earth are you living on?
          ACLU: "The American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) is the common name for an American organization consisting of two separate entities. The ACLU Foundation is a non-profit organization that focuses on litigation and communication efforts, whereas the American Civil Liberties Union focuses on legislative lobbying " and "Outside of its legal work, the organization has also engaged in lobbying of elected officials and political activism" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ACLU
          Which part of legislative lobbying and political activism do you find to be "apolitical"?
    • masterm1nd, on 10/29/2007, -11/+17How can you pretend like it's only on one side. BOTH sides do this and the effective result is a balance. The moment either side finally gets the other side banned is going to be very bad for all of us, even if you think it's a win for your side.
      • Fordi, on 10/29/2007, -0/+1Dugg up for insight.

        I'm going to add to the insight to say this:
        Moderates are not balanced. Balance exists somewhere between the points of this political tug of war. If you move an end of the tug of war closer to the center, the resulting balance is way off the ideal.
    • CannedMango, on 10/29/2007, -7/+2only liars don't believe those around them
    • brainScan, on 10/26/2007, -1/+4Even though I agree with you, name calling won't get you far, because it is typically inserted when you don't have evidence or logic on your side.
    • MammasMilk, on 10/28/2007, -5/+17"Isn't it ironic (and painfully obvious) how real hate groups are the first to scream 'haters!'?"

      It's also ironic (or more amusing/sick really) that these same groups often have "Family" as part of their name and are comprised of a) self-hating gays b)pervs who can't have no self control when it comes to sex, women and/or porn c)try to hook up w/ minors d) have had multiple divorces e)cheet on their wives and love the hookers... etc etc etc. Which of course are all very important things for families.

      Don't trust any group w/ "Family" in it's name.
      • notthemama, on 10/28/2007, -1/+4What about Family Planning clinics that do abortions?
        • wageslaven, on 10/28/2007, -1/+3You mean Planned Parenthood? Oh, and your abortion is your business. Mind your own.
        • mrurc, on 10/26/2007, -0/+1I would just like to point out the extreme irony here in case anyone missed it. A person replied to the comment "Don't trust any group with family in the name" and (s)he said "What about [Planned Parenthood]" and his/her name is... wait for it... well, not too long cause you could just look up... notthemama.

          Just to clarify, also do not trust groups with moms, mothers, mamas, papas, dadas, fathers, or dads in the name. Or people with one of those in their handle.
          • Fordi, on 10/29/2007, -0/+1Except AdamDada; that's actually his last name, and he's a pretty wise individual, in my experience.
    • Wargalas, on 10/28/2007, -3/+9Don't forget the hypocritical racists Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson.
    • shredswithpiks, on 10/26/2007, -4/+9But O'Reilly said he presents things objectively without bias!!!
      • masterm1nd, on 10/29/2007, -6/+3It is not even possible for any living, breathing, thinking, person to be unbiased. Please post a link to where he has ever said that. If you can't, you ARE a hypocrite.
        • mrurc, on 10/29/2007, -0/+2Well, that is what "Fair and Balanced" means, although that is his network and not him. I can see where there would be confusion there.
        • masterm1nd, on 10/29/2007, -1/+1Fair and balanced does not mean unbiased. It means exactly what the words mean, fair, and balanced, which is different from unbiased.
    • GRTWHT, on 10/29/2007, -3/+3Opening sentence was fantastic...shame you then set about trying to prove your own point.
    • Tetraca, on 11/10/2007, -3/+4No better than Joseph McCarthy. These people should be ashamed.
      • wageslaven, on 10/29/2007, -1/+2Shame? Are you kidding? They feel exalted in doing the good lord's work. They are practically hysterical with *****-eating-glee about how fcuking wonderful and good they and their work is.

        Have you never met one of these people? the most smug, conceited, selfish, narrow, shallow, despicable hypocrites you'd never want to have to cross the street to pee on if they were on fire.

        Shame? No, shame, that's for the people who caught the gay.
        • sensoukami, on 10/28/2007, -0/+2"the most smug, conceited, selfish, narrow, shallow, despicable hypocrites" --> Man, that sounds like a LOT of Left-Wingers I've met. Virtue isn't partisan ya know, and neither is vice...
      • shupy, on 10/29/2007, -0/+1The really embarrassing thing is that there are so many people on the far right. After all, Bush and the neocons have been in power for a while. How did all these American voters miss the lessons of McCarthy and the Vietnam era? How did we develop a culture that believes ignorance is a virtue?
        • Fordi, on 10/29/2007, -0/+1That's what happens if we don't get our gilded cage shaken up once in a while. I find it really annoying to have so many intelligent people around me one month, only to watch them turn into complete Yes-Men for their favorite political pundit the next.
    • jerbaker, on 10/29/2007, -1/+3"More proof that there are about 20% of all Americans that are Right Wing idiots who have totally lost their minds since 9/11."

      They have been this insane for a long time, it's just that they didn't have their goon in the White House before. Now they're emboldened. These people have been the same since the 1980's. Although Reagan never spoke like this, his hardcore supporters did. I never saw these types before Reagan, and I still wonder where they came from.
    • LastVisibleDog, on 11/10/2007, -0/+1Spoken like a true blind hater...
  • DavidYeah, on 10/27/2007, -12/+102First, they ignore you. Then they laugh at you. Then they fight you. Then you win. -Gandhi
    • amoirae, on 10/29/2007, -17/+26Unless you're Ron Paul. Then they get stuck on step two and become incontinent.
      • FredFredrickson, on 10/29/2007, -10/+8What in goddamn flying ***** hell does this have to do with Ron Paul?
    • wageslaven, on 10/29/2007, -0/+6But the fact that some geniuses were laughed at does not imply that all who are laughed at are geniuses. They laughed at Columbus, they laughed at Fulton, they laughed at the Wright brothers. But they also laughed at Bozo the Clown.

      -Carl Sagan
  • postingbh, on 10/26/2007, -14/+83These people label any non-neocon as part of the "far left". Of course, with +70% of Americans wanting out of Iraq, I guess that makes most of us far left liberal anti-patriotic defeatists. Or just reasonable people. As Dennis Kucinich says, left is the new middle.
    • swrostmore, on 10/26/2007, -5/+15"Left is the new middle," did Kucinich really say that? Brilliant!
      • Smuikas, on 10/28/2007, -1/+6It's more the opposite. Middle is the new left. As is referenced by the fact that there are only two candidates on the "left" of middle - Kucinich and Gravel. While Ron Paul is definitely a decentralized libertarian, he leans right on things that Kucinich and Gravel don't.

        Of course, even Ron Paul is farther left (though still right of middle) than the leading Democrat candidates.
    • vypergts, on 10/26/2007, -1/+7Geek is the new cool.
    • MikedaSnipe, on 10/28/2007, -4/+7Gay is the new straight
      Hate is the new love
      Tea is the new coffee
      Iraq is the new vietnam
      Yoga is the new jazzercize.
      =P.
      • OnionBaggage, on 10/28/2007, -2/+3But... Iraq IS the new Vietnam.
        • manchu2, on 10/28/2007, -0/+1The same thing was said about Afghanistan...weeks into the war..... got anything besides a bumper sticker?
          • OnionBaggage, on 11/28/2007, -0/+1Who said that? I didn't hear anyone say that.
            I got four and a half years of occupation and dead soldiers. Adds up to more than a bumper sticker bro.
        • Fordi, on 10/29/2007, -0/+1Well, there are some paralells - and I hope once we walk out of there, the resulting civil war and later peacetime occurs in a similar fashion. The vietnamese *like* us these days, and hopefully, if we have a well-managed withdrawl, so will Iraquis 30 years from now.
    • andrew1193, on 10/28/2007, -5/+5"These people label any non-neocon as part of the "far left"."

      As opposed to those who label anyone to the right of Pol Pot as a "neocon"?
    • Xondar, on 10/28/2007, -2/+7Richard Nixon would be part of the "far left" as defined by neo-conservatives.
  • sensoukami, on 10/26/2007, -41/+10I'd put ThinkProgess on my list of "groups with really stupid people," except that over the last 8 years or so the list ended up full of Right-Wing groups...However, I'm certain that ThinkProgress will move up the list after the Republicans get wiped out in 2008...(well, I hope they get wiped out, but a year is a long time in politics).
    • christopheles, on 10/26/2007, -0/+9That makes absolutely no sense.
  • tubular, on 10/26/2007, -12/+88Wow they claim a website that reports on what is happening in the world as dangerous. Very telling of our times.
    • DavidYeah, on 10/27/2007, -4/+49Better yet, the #1 entry, MediaMatters.org simply reports conservative comments in the media. Apparently nothing is more shameful than having to read your own comments with the lies, spin, and bigotry taken to task on a daily basis.
      • deity, on 10/26/2007, -2/+1This site is a right wing site. They believe that left wing sites that spin conservative commentaries are dangerous. I don't know that I would call them dangerous but they are as distasteful as radio talk shows that do the same thing for the right wing.
        • wageslaven, on 10/27/2007, -1/+3But Mediamaters.org doesnt spin anything. It lets the Right Wing speak for itself -- and its fcuking scary. I have to turn off American MSM on a regular basis because it is so maddeningly inaccurate, non-nuanced, non-contextualized, jingoistic and stupid. But I am regularly at Media Maters with mouth agape at the depths of conservative abyss.
    • GabrielS, on 10/26/2007, -33/+5Allow me to corrrect your spelling errors.

      "a website that reports on what is happening in the world from a left of center standpoint narrated by former Clinton Administration employees"

      That's better.
      • mrjit, on 10/26/2007, -2/+19That wasn't a spelling correction, since you're "correcting" people.
    • Jlaugh, on 10/26/2007, -1/+6To much Truth is always dangerous.
  • swrostmore, on 10/27/2007, -11/+18In before George Soros conspiracy theorists.
  • vroom101, on 10/26/2007, -4/+32Family Security Matters is the group that published "Conquering the Drawbacks of Democracy", an eye-opening article by Contributing Editor Philip Atkinson: http://google.com/search?q=cache:cnnnSRimWmcJ:www. ...

    Via: http://www.digg.com/politics/Conquering_the_Drawba ...
    • vroom101, on 10/26/2007, -2/+8Google's cache no longer has the text of the article. So here's another link with the full text: http://www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?Art ...
    • nblsavage, on 11/11/2007, -1/+33"If President Bush copied Julius Caesar by ordering his army to empty Iraq of Arabs and repopulate the country with Americans, he would achieve immediate results: popularity with his military; enrichment of America by converting an Arabian Iraq into an American Iraq (therefore turning it from a liability to an asset); and boost American prestiege while terrifying American enemies."

      Good lord....this is some scary, scary thinking.
      • faskill, on 10/26/2007, -1/+6... If new American settlers conquered the natives of the land and shifted the populace from it's current inhabits to immigrants this would thus prove dominance in the area and lead way to a new thriving culture and society. Is that scary thinking? Isn't that what we did to the the indians (native americans)?
        • nblsavage, on 10/27/2007, -0/+16Actually, yes. What we did to the native americans was an atrocity. Who's to say their culture wouldn't have been as good as or better than ours? But that is history and we can't do anything about that.
        • Mononuclear, on 10/26/2007, -1/+11It's very scary thinking. Things like this have happened all over the world in the past, that doesn't make it any less scary or wrong.
        • MammasMilk, on 10/26/2007, -0/+8It's also not gong to work out too well today. If you think we've lost friends and allies w/ tis war in Iraq, but all means take these crazy people's advise and wipe out the population and repopulate with Americans. See how well that works out.
      • Smuikas, on 10/26/2007, -0/+4It's pretty much the same thinking Germany had in World War II with the social groups that were most likely to rise up in guerrilla warfare in eastern europe - particularly the gypsies.
      • KanchoBukkakeku, on 10/26/2007, -0/+1Hey, if we are going to be an empire, at least do it right!
      • mrurc, on 10/26/2007, -0/+1"The wisest course would have been for President Bush to use his nuclear weapons to slaughter Iraqis until they complied with his demands, or until they were all dead."

        Wow. Seriously scary. Scary, foolish, ignorant, and inaccurate. You can't "repopulate a country with Americans" if the country is so radioactive that it can not support life.
    • DaSuHouSe, on 10/27/2007, -0/+4I knew Family Security Matters sounded familiar. Yeah they published this thing and took it off like 2 days later.
      • Fordi, on 10/29/2007, -0/+1Funny how its acronym is FSM (may you be touched by His Noodly Appendage).
  • Marc39, on 10/26/2007, -8/+862) Universities and Colleges
    That's quite the broad brush they paint with, huh.
    • BizzaroRob, on 10/27/2007, -1/+37When Universities and Colleges are your enemy, I don't even want to know who your friends are.
      • WaterDragon, on 10/29/2007, -1/+3
        I'll take 'Blithering Idiots' for $100, Monte.
    • JoeVet, on 10/27/2007, -2/+41Knowledge is very dangerous to groups like Family Security Matters.
    • Andysan, on 10/26/2007, -18/+2Just think of the 80 tenured Duke faculty members who crucified the three innocent lacrosse team members. Then multiply that loony bunch by thousands from around the country and you have enough close-minded socialists to make the list. There are even worse on many campuses. Take it from someone who was a tenured college teacher and sat around the faculty lounge with these kooks.
      • scottc, on 10/26/2007, -1/+4was a tenured college teacher? What did you do to lose it? What school?
        • mrurc, on 10/26/2007, -0/+3Yes, that is a very good question. Not to mention that "college teacher" usually refer to themselves as either professors or instructors, since that is their classification. I would expect that a tenured professor or instructor would know that.

          Just to clarify why we question this: being a former tenured college teacher means that you are retired, quit, or you had sex with a student or something and managed to get fired from a protected position. It is difficult to eliminate a tenured teacher from the staff.
    • bigdaddyguido, on 10/26/2007, -0/+6Apparently Bob Jones University is now a major left wing threat to the nation?
    • MikedaSnipe, on 10/27/2007, -0/+12I can't decide if the ACLU or universitys is more hilarious. Upholding the constitution or educating the public, which is more dangerous...
  • mydigga, on 10/26/2007, -2/+20Well, I'm on FMS's website trying to open the "contact us" page and it displays an error message. Apparently I'm not the only one trying to send a note.
  • therealrico, on 10/26/2007, -5/+23I highly suggest you click the link and go read the entire article. At least they attack some conservaitve groups as well, instead of just focusing on the liberal side.

    My personal favorite, was what was said about CODEpink. We gotta stop those dangerous feminists who want to end war, and give everyone healthcare!!!
    • shellacked, on 10/29/2007, -1/+8Yea lol I see the CodePink ladies around SF all the time. They look pretty dangerous! By the way, if you haven't seen them, they're a bunch of cute grandmothers that walk around dressed in pink protesting the war.

      ZOMGZORS HERE COME THE OLD LADIES!!! GET TEH TANKS!!! TEHIR DANGEROUS!!!
  • SheilaNoya, on 10/27/2007, -6/+5870% of American citizens are "anti-American? Our schools are our enemies because they won't teach our children that the earth is only 6,000 years old and that Jesus was a blonde haired white guy from Oklahoma who loves America, but wants us to bomb everyone else?

    WOW - Awl uv that homeskooling shur maid sum peepul stoopid.
  • wiachy, on 10/28/2007, -2/+14i see no "chans" on there.
    • MikedaSnipe, on 10/28/2007, -0/+2Aren't they afraid of the army of hate =o.
    • ubergeek09, on 10/28/2007, -0/+1Yes, really those 4chan morons should be on the list.
  • EvansHall, on 10/26/2007, -32/+7"Family Security Matters" is probably on Think Progress' list of dangerous American organizations ... does this surprise anyone? Why are we talking about this? Two extremist groups don't like each other, big deal!
    • Mononuclear, on 10/26/2007, -2/+10If you read the article you would notice #2 on the list.
      • FuzzyBunny, on 10/26/2007, -2/+3Then why isn't the far more legitimate and non-biased group that ranked higher on the list the headline?
        • DaSuHouSe, on 10/26/2007, -1/+2If you read the article you would notice this is a ThinkProgress article; hence, ThinkProgress is in the headline.
    • DavidYeah, on 10/26/2007, -2/+1bury my comment.
    • DaSuHouSe, on 10/26/2007, -1/+6Since when are websites that report other news source articles "extremist groups". If you've actually read ThinkProgress and MediaMatters articles you'd know that more than half of an article is bound to be full of quotes or transcripts. Real dangerous stuff isn't it.
    • wageslaven, on 10/27/2007, -0/+3Oh, I see what you did there you sneaky you.

      You just said that Media Matters is "extreme left" didnt you? Well, the *really* funny thing -- you're going to love this -- that Media Matters actually lets the right wing speak for itself.

      And what the MSM is so full of bat-shiat crazy conservatives, MM only has to present their own statements. To make the point: That Conservatives in the USA are bat-shiat crazy. Even the Left in this country is on the right.
  • Hetman, on 10/26/2007, -4/+10This is true if you are the FSM. Finally after decades of nonsense people are finally waking up to the fact that conservative world view has been pushed upon America for so long. I do not blame them. This is just a giant power struggle between conservative ideology and liberal ideology. If I was a right wing conservative evangelist I would also be worried about these groups trying to change legislation.
    • Xondar, on 10/26/2007, -0/+4Actually, if you study American history for the past 50 years, this isn't "liberal ideology vs. conservative ideology." This is the fruits of a 50-year-long attempt to take over your nation, and eventually to begin conquering the world, by the neo-conservatives. They pretty much control both political parties, and most of the current presidential candidates.
    • shupy, on 10/29/2007, -0/+1This has nothing to do with conservative/liberal. This is the radical right against people of any other belief. This is also about one group believing that they have the right to legislate the life style and morality of the rest of us.
      At their essence, liberals accept and believe in change. Conservatives resist change and try to keep it from happening. Change is inevitable, we are not going back to the good ol' days of the fifties when segregation was legal and women didn't pester about equal pay and equal rights. And of course no one was gay.
      The reality is that the radical right has lost the culture war. They just don't know it.
  • Zreitan, on 10/27/2007, -1/+22RAmen, FSM is the Cult of the Flying Spaghetti Monster
    • Firehed, on 10/26/2007, -0/+6My thoughts exactly. I very much doubt the credibility of any organization that names themselves after the Great Noodly One.
      • mrurc, on 10/26/2007, -0/+1Not me. Any organization that does that must be touched by his noodly appendage!
  • Lanze, on 10/26/2007, -3/+13So who's going to hack this site and put a huge picture of a penis or lolcats on it?
  • TheHydrogens, on 10/28/2007, -4/+23I can't seem to look at an organization called FSM and not think of the Flying Spaghetti Monster....
    • SheilaNoya, on 10/28/2007, -3/+2It's FMS, not FSM, but I thought the same thing and had to laugh.
      • nblsavage, on 10/26/2007, -0/+11Its Family Matters Security? Is Steve Urkel running it?
    • JoelBakan01, on 10/26/2007, -0/+0Hey that's good!
  • howdareyou, on 10/26/2007, -3/+29I take great offense that "Family Security Matters" shares an acronym with my Lord the Flying Spaghetti Monster. How dare they use my Lords name in vain!
  • natural_smurf, on 10/28/2007, -4/+44LOL "Universities and Colleges"

    i guess if you're a fascist, an educated electorate is pretty dangerous.
    • deity, on 11/12/2007, -7/+2Actually I find it funny how many people think that fox news or talk radio is propaganda but are completely willing to drink the cool aid and swallow the same type of propaganda if it fits their point of view or what they think is popular. If you don't think any of the sites listed have a bias then you are wrong.

      The college I went to was not really that left leaning but we did have quite a few professors in the english department that felt it was their duty to indoctrinate the students. Also Most of the history taught was so filtered by PC points of view that it was almost laughable.

      Professors in Universities and Colleges do tend to live in an ivory tower and don't have as much real life experience as they like to think. Even in my field of computer science I've spent quite some time unlearning things that are non-productive but make sense from a theoretical perspective but don't necessarily work in the real world.

      • OnionBaggage, on 10/26/2007, -0/+2dugg down for "cool aid"
        • mrurc, on 10/26/2007, -0/+1Indeed. He could at least spell kool-aid correctly.
      • mrurc, on 10/26/2007, -0/+1If by "indoctrinate the students" you mean "put books on the reading list that challenge or parody the Bible or which call out against the hypocrisy of religion or expose abuses by The Church (TM)," then probably, yeah. Cause that's a lot of great books! Heck, if you want to ban all of the books that do that you would have to ban Shakespeare!

        You know, if those teachers taught you the ideal of how things theoretically work, you should be thanking them. By teaching you the theory, you can apply your skills to new tasks. If they taught you the real world, that would be less likely to happen. Teaching you how to program realistically in Cobol is not going to help you get a job as a Java programmer. Teaching you how to program in general means that you can apply what they taught to any language. I am astounded that people are so clueless that they can miss that point so badly. They gave you the skills to learn new skills. Shut up and be happy about it.
  • MasterThief117, on 11/12/2007, -1/+44The only reason why universities and colleges are on the list is because they are intimidated by intelligence.
    • hifiDesign, on 10/26/2007, -2/+5Don't forget beer and lots of promiscuous sex!
      • Btzarro, on 10/26/2007, -1/+4Yes,Republicans hate sex or just love gay sex
        • Fafnir43, on 10/27/2007, -1/+5Hey. I love gay sex. I strongly resent the implication that I am a Republican.
    • shupy, on 10/29/2007, -0/+1It's not intelligence, it's education they fear.
      The best way to destroy radical Islam is to educate their women.
  • markp93, on 10/26/2007, -2/+24I love #2. Are they against education or something?
    • CannedMango, on 10/26/2007, -1/+22Don't you get it man? People who "think for themselves" hate America.
    • Btzarro, on 10/26/2007, -0/+7Arent all republicans?
    • StarlessKnight, on 10/27/2007, -0/+6What we need... is an All Children Left Behind Act!
  • vofuse, on 10/26/2007, -0/+4They forgot the Raging Grannies!
  • rangermatt, on 10/27/2007, -0/+14The funny thing about this list is that it actually helps all these organizations. I went and took a look at some of these sites, and actually bookmarked a couple. If these organizations are powerful and influential enough to piss off FSM, they just might be worth visiting regularly.

    Thanks, FSM!
  • ndavisAA, on 10/26/2007, -1/+19This list reminded me i wanted to join the ACLU.
  • LBobRife, on 10/26/2007, -2/+12Universities and Colleges?!?! HAHAHA oh man what a joke. Are they trying to be taken seriously?
    • wageslaven, on 10/27/2007, -0/+2Their target-audience are anti-intellectual christian conservatives. They dont know anyone who's been on the inside of a University, but they do know that they hate jesus.
    • shupy, on 10/29/2007, -0/+1Home schooling... no one loves it like the Christian conservatives.
  • NoUse, on 10/26/2007, -1/+30The religious right didn't go nuts when the ACLU filed suit fighting for their right to have baptisms on public land:
    http://www.aclu.org/religion/discrim/16230prs20040 ...
    • jerbaker, on 10/26/2007, -0/+1They didn't go nuts about the ACLU suing Cincinnati on behalf the the KKK so they could get a permit to put up a cross for Christmas (http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9F0 ... or when the ACLU went to bat for the Klu Klux Klan, defending it against having to turn over its membership roster to the State of Texas (http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9F0 ... It was a black lawyer who defended them too.

      You should know by now that facts have no place in a political discussion with the religious right. They have no compunction about lying and deceiving in order to revise history to fit with their own agenda. The ACLU is a liberal organization dammit.
  • Karmashock, on 10/26/2007, -17/+5one petty and biased organization doesn't like another petty and biased organization... *yawn*
  • CannedMango, on 10/26/2007, -3/+15This list is the most incriminating piece of evidence *against* Family Security Matters' credibility to date.
    • friedman420, on 10/26/2007, -0/+2besides the fact that they wrote an article that said: "The simple truth that modern weapons now mean a nation must practice genocide or commit suicide."
      • CannedMango, on 10/30/2007, -0/+1Well, just because you don't agree with one thing someone says, doesn't mean that you have to disagree with everything they say. Ad Hominem thinking is a plague of society.
  • elrodge, on 10/26/2007, -15/+2Damn straight, masterm1nd
    • TheHydrogens, on 10/26/2007, -0/+3Use the reply button next time please.
  • minorthreat, on 11/12/2007, -7/+27Universities and colleges are places where you learn rational and logical thinking skills. They whine they are to liberal. The rational thinking liberals who understand logic seems to upset the neocons. I used to not think this way, but the older I have gotten, I honestly believe the US would be a much better place if we got rid of all the neo-cons. Then we could debate solutions for our problems rather than having to debate the problem itself.
    • eviltroll, on 11/12/2007, -12/+0Typical leftist, you're "ideology" can't handle opposing view points so you advocate getting rid of us inconvenient dissenting "neo-cons". Yes, one-party systems are much easier aren't they? F'ing moron liberal don't even realize that you are a Stalinist. Dangerous liberal colleges are failing to teach you the evils of extreme leftism and how its killed 300 million people.
      • shellacked, on 10/26/2007, -2/+5Go too far to the left you get communism, go too far to the right you get Hitler and another Third Reich. As with most things in life, there is a magic spot somewhere in the middle.

        Now go take 10 deep breaths and stop hyperventilating. He's not going to come get you, I promise.
        • wakananda, on 10/26/2007, -0/+1I'm coming to get him. Neoconservatives have concentrated dictatorial power in the Executive, corrupted media with billions of dollars spent planting fake news, invaded and occupied sovereign nations, run the dollar into the ground with Trilions in war debt, and covered up the crime of 9/11 by planting a long-time Bush White House operative as the "Chief Investigator." They are, in fact, anti-democratic corporatists - neofascists by any other name. They are selling America out to a global corporatist plan to ruin our currency and economy, and replace it with the "amero" currency and a "North American Union" with a bastardized Constitution. So yes, we should get rid of them. You don't argue the rules of a game with someone who cheats continually, and who has shown themselves to be plotting to steal the entire gaming table and sell it.
          • wageslaven, on 10/27/2007, -0/+2" "North American Union" with a bastardized Constitution."

            Short of a war with Canada, that is not going to happen. I swear to God, I'll die defending Canada before I allow you USAians to fcuk it up.

            Get your own ***** straight and keep your eyes on your own business.
    • DavidYeah, on 10/26/2007, -1/+5I honestly disagree with you on "getting rid of neocons." They can be beaten in the arena of ideas and in the voting booth.
      • wakananda, on 11/12/2007, -0/+3They make the voting booths. These are black boxes. Read Greg Palast's "Armed Madhouse" or go to
        http://blackboxvoting.org/ Neoconservatives are not "neo" (new) or conservative. They are fascists, anti-democratic corporatists - not very different from Italian or German fascists of the 30s and 40s. They have to be stopped, by fair means or foul, as they oppose our democratic system of government itself, and view our Constitution as an impediment to their globalist vision of Imperial dominance.

    • shupy, on 11/12/2007, -0/+2Wisdom comes with age, sometimes. Yes, the more you see of the neocon agenda, the scarier it is. They aren't really conservative, they are radical. They want to turn back the clock to the fifties. I believe at the root of neo-cons lies the dark heart of racism.
  • GabrielS, on 10/26/2007, -24/+8Thinkprogress can only be dangerous if its readers do not correct its errors.

    It's silly to think TP is dangerous for America. It's just a news rag run by loyal Democrats. It's bills are paid for by wealthy liberals.
  • VoteForDummies, on 10/26/2007, -1/+19Welp, time to drop out of college. And here I was, thinking an education would be BENEFICIAL. Stupid me and my stupid free thinking.
    • Btzarro, on 10/26/2007, -0/+7Heil Bush!
      Freedom of speech should only be used when you want to use a racial slur and salute our proud leader ,kill those dopey liberals for treating blacks and other races like human beings!

      /Sarcasm
  • tao52nyc, on 10/26/2007, -3/+5LewRockwell.com didn't make the top 10...I'm sure he'll be disappointed.
    • jerbaker, on 10/26/2007, -0/+1That's because they agree on most things.
  • KingBunny, on 10/27/2007, -1/+14For once, THEY ARE CORRECT!
    ...Truth really IS dangerous.
    (Truth, freedom, common sense, and critical thinking are all incredibly dangerous to emerging dictatorships.)

    ...This is like... a freaking Saturday Night Live sketch, come to life. Do they have audio of the list being declared, so I can insert laugh track?
  • hedgeland, on 11/12/2007, -4/+22And the ACLU, of which I am a card carrying member, will defend their right to say that the ACLU is one of the 10 most dangerous organizations in America. God I hate Republicans. And God hates Republicans too.
    • eviltroll, on 11/12/2007, -22/+1You can't speak for God. Typical arrogant liberal, nothing to offer but hate.
      Btw, the ACLU was started by anti-american communists, but you wouldn't know anything about that.
      • Trocisp, on 11/12/2007, -1/+14Really? Are they anti american because they're communists, or are they communists and anti american separately of each other?
        By the way, it was founded by someone who... wanted to ensure everyone has civil rights, not by an "anti american communist"
        • eviltroll, on 11/12/2007, -13/+0See, you truly don't have any idea of the origins of the ACLU, yet you throw flowers at their feet. How sad for you sheep. I suppose you consider yourself informed too. lol
        • ehalasey, on 11/12/2007, -0/+7To eviltroll: Guess who the uninformed one is in this discussion. I'll give you a hint. It's not Trocisp.
          Next time you want to confuse Communism and Socialism, you ought to actually check a SOURCE.
          I mean, for Chrissake. How hard was it for you to look HERE: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aclu
      • ehalasey, on 11/12/2007, -1/+7Communism isn't anti-American unless you actually believe all that Cold War propaganda. Communism is simply the antithesis of Capitalism, and the economic system that, when properly executed (which, by the way, has NEVER happened), can bring about a true realization of the notions of freedom and liberty. DO YOUR HOMEWORK.
        Meanwhile, the whole point of the ACLU was to fight for our individual civil liberties! How is an organization that fights for YOUR right to say whatever the hell you want "anti-American"? Furthermore, it is largely in hindsight that people have attributed the forming of ACLU to a decidedly Communist effort. During the time of its inception, it was COMMON for people to actually speak to the liberties of others. It was COMMON for people to say, "As long as there is a prisoner in this country, I AM NOT FREE." Now we say, "Lock 'em up and throw away the key." What the hell happened that we don't give a damn about our fellow countrymen? And why is it that there are now organizations who take their right to free speech so lightly that they cannot see that the organization they are attacking is the one of the primiary reasons they can say what they are saying? HAVE WE REALLY BECOME SO IGNORANT? What hedgeland said was 100% correct when he said, " . . . the ACLU . . . will defend their right to say that the ACLU is one of the 10 most dangerous organizations in America." See, this isn't about saying that one group is right and another is wrong. This is about every group getting to say whatever the hell they want, and without groups like the ACLU to make sure you CAN, all you have is one group getting to be right by means of censorship until . . . that's funny . . . where are all the dissenters to speak for me now that it's my turn to have my rights violated?
        *SIGH* I can't believe the swell in the number of uneducated, propaganda-spewing jerks here lately.
        • andrew1193, on 10/26/2007, -4/+1"Communism isn't anti-American unless you actually believe all that Cold War propaganda. Communism is simply the antithesis of Capitalism, and the economic system that, when properly executed (which, by the way, has NEVER happened), can bring about a true realization of the notions of freedom and liberty."

          During the height of the terror and mass-murder that resulted in various places from destroying private property rights in the means of production, we could always count on Western socialists to support the actions of the monsters in power, while rationalizing their crimes and demonizing their victims.

          They certainly believed that the USSR under Stalin, China under Mao, Vietnam under Ho Chi Minh, Cambodia under Pol Pot, etc, were true representations of communism and socialism in action.
          • wageslaven, on 10/27/2007, -1/+2Do you really believe that tripe? Go back to school, turn off your TV.
          • jerbaker, on 10/26/2007, -1/+1"hey certainly believed that the USSR under Stalin, China under Mao, Vietnam under Ho Chi Minh, Cambodia under Pol Pot, etc, were true representations of communism and socialism in action."

            You are either retarded, or guilty of revisionism just as the rest of your neocon friends. Change the facts of history to suit your beliefs.

            Stalin stole his position from Trotsky and all socialists and communists demonize him to this day for it. Ho Chi Minh didn't do anything other than try to gain independence for his country from a colonial power. It was the United States who unilaterally decided that sovereign nations half a world away did not have the right to chose their own government.

            You have to understand that communism is an ECONOMIC system, not a political one. They are independent. You can have communism with democracy, with a monarchy, or with a dictatorship. In the twentieth century communist economic systems have tended to coexist with dictatorships, mostly because it is impossible to seize the wealth amassed by the wealthy without force.
          • andrew1193, on 10/26/2007, -0/+1"Stalin stole his position from Trotsky and all socialists and communists demonize him to this day for it."

            They condemn Stalin for not being murderous and totalitarian enough; for not slaughtering enough Kulaks.

            "Ho Chi Minh didn't do anything other than try to gain independence for his country from a colonial power. It was the United States who unilaterally decided that sovereign nations half a world away did not have the right to chose their own government."

            Nobody in Vietnam "chose" Ho Chi Minh; he was installed in power by the Chinese. He wasn't interested in independence, but rather subservience to the Soviet Union, having spent ten years behind a desk in Moscow as a KGB agent.

            "You have to understand that communism is an ECONOMIC system, not a political one. They are independent. You can have communism with democracy, with a monarchy, or with a dictatorship. In the twentieth century communist economic systems have tended to coexist with dictatorships, mostly because it is impossible to seize the wealth amassed by the wealthy without force."

            Communism is as much a political system as it is an economic one, as destruction of private property in the means of production requires a vast totalitarian terror state. It is impossible to have communism with democracy.
        • jerbaker, on 10/27/2007, -0/+2"What the hell happened that we don't give a damn about our fellow countrymen?" Republicans changed. Back in the day of Eisenhower they were a respectable lot with different views. Now the Goldwater Republicans are a vicious pack of liars and cheaters with no morals or ethics whatever.
    • WaterDragon, on 10/27/2007, -1/+1I totally agree with you. And I promise that within one hour after I vote for Ron Paul in the primary, I will cancel my (new) Republican party affiliation. (Yuck!)
      But I can't go back to the Democrats, who lied to us all and went along with Bush's many high crimes -- so I guess I'll have to register independent.
  • sdigroup, on 10/26/2007, -0/+16American fore-fathers are rolling in their grave....
  • londubh, on 10/27/2007, -1/+11Breaking! Family Security Matters one of American's most retarded organizations. Glenn Beck being number 1 of course. He's not really an organization, just a media douchebag.
  • Hetman, on 10/27/2007, -1/+8If we could just get rid of all the colleges. The only thing standing in our way of global domination would be books. And that is easy enough we just burn them they are paper. Muhahahaha
  • govsucks, on 10/27/2007, -17/+1Well, I can hear the egos growing now so maybe the size of the heads of the members of ThinkProgress can block the sun and help prevent some "Global Warming"
  • lostarchitect, on 10/26/2007, -2/+4League of the South??
    "The League of the South is a Southern Nationalist organization whose ultimate goal is a free and independent Southern republic. "
    these guys are in the same list as moveon and media matters? hmm...
    www.dixienet.org
  • eviltroll, on 10/26/2007, -29/+0Burried for being thinkprogress.org, a partisan hack site for small minded left wing extremists. The site is worthless and offers nothing but useless propaganda.
    • toxicshok, on 10/26/2007, -0/+12Though apparently they can spell buried correctly.
      • eviltroll, on 10/26/2007, -12/+0Since you enjoy correcting my spelling, you might be well suited for a challenging career as a public school teacher where you can correct spelling and indoctrinate the captive, docile children with your ridiculous leftist ideology all day long. Liberals flock to those public sector teaching jobs, and the schools are doing so well as a result.
        • toxicshok, on 10/26/2007, -0/+8I spell correctly therefore I'm a liberal. Sir I'll have you know that I'm a true republican, not a neocon. Don't throw the word liberal or leftist around with everyone who disagrees with you. But spelling correctly sure adds credibility to your arguments. Secondly your argument that the schools suck because of liberals is so full of crap I doubt I could eat as much as I want to vomit when I see it. The schools are doing bad because neocons want ever child taught ID and fairy tale written in the bronze age.
        • thebigmatay, on 10/26/2007, -1/+6@toxicshok

          While I agree with the general point you make, I'd have to disagree about the comment you make about schools failing because of the Neocons. True, No Child Left Behind is failing miserably, so the Neocons can be indicted on that. However, problems in public schools existed long before No Child Left Behind, and unfortunately will probably exist long after. The big problem is that there probably is no quick policy fix for education in this country, especially in lower income scenarios where it's been demonstrated that a lack of parental activity is one of the hinderances for students.

          But yes, schools should not teach Intelligent Design (why can't we just call it creationism anymore?) or religion, which is what I assumed you meant by "fairy tale written in the bronze age."
          • wageslaven, on 10/26/2007, -0/+1I agree with your view that the fix will not be easy. I often posit that one of the problems is municipal funding and control. This is also one of the major drivers of ghettoization and sprawl. People are moving to get away from poverty (and failed schools) and actually exaserbate the situation both situations.

            Schools should be stabalized and more "normalized" by the State.

            Teach Religion in Social Studies, but teach them academically. That would actually act as an inoculation to dogmatic indoctrination.

    • LBobRife, on 10/26/2007, -0/+7We really don't care if you buried it or not. Believe me, we don't.
    • DavidYeah, on 10/26/2007, -0/+7And I buried you for exactly the same.
  • frankengeek, on 10/27/2007, -19/+2Just another shining example of how the wool is pulled over your eyes. The wolves are among you, and when presented with the truth, you mock religion, home schooling, and president. The day our great country collapses, think about all the lies you've heard and believed.
    • Haapi, on 10/27/2007, -1/+9
      All mocking aside, you can believe that those of us that find ourselves on the opposite sides of issues from you are *very* concerned about our great country collapsing.

      OK, now back to mocking:
      Oh, My! The wool over *your* eyes is thicker than Chuck Norris' chest hair!


    • Hetman, on 10/27/2007, -1/+6We are all wolves here on digg. We are all just glad we finally are getting to come out and play.
  • exomni, on 10/27/2007, -2/+10Proud to be a card-carrying-member of #7 and attending one of #2.
  • RollFizzlebeef, on 10/27/2007, -3/+23Media Matters is #1 because they quote what the right-wing noise machine says exactly and in context.

    We just can't have that sort of thing in America.
  • facereplacer, on 10/27/2007, -1/+222) Universities and Colleges

    I would think they'd be number one... done correctly, education is the number one threat to whatever it takes to care about what Family Security Matters has to say.
  • Haapi, on 10/27/2007, -2/+13I'm sure Digg is going to make their list now, since we've brought down their website. :-P
    • DavidYeah, on 10/26/2007, -0/+6Ahh.. a right wing propoganda outlet being dragged into the dirt after their vile drivel is exposed to world. I like the symbolism in that.
    • WaterDragon, on 10/26/2007, -0/+2Lets repost this story and digg it again....every day!
  • CarolinaHeel23, on 11/02/2007, -4/+1i agree. thinkprogress is dangerous
  • FascistNation, on 10/25/2007, -0/+2Congratulations!!!! How can Freedom's Phoenix make the list? :-)
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