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- bombtrack, on 10/12/2007, -18/+73Limbaugh was NEVER great. He's a joke, his audience just doesn't get it.
- flippinjeremy, on 10/12/2007, -10/+51Sean Hannity is just AS bad or WORSE than Limbaugh...
- bombtrack, on 10/12/2007, -9/+46He's also the same guy that railed against any drug offender and demanded they be locked away. It would have been nice if the war on drugs got someone who deserved it. The man is a hypocrite of the highest order.
- LucianSolaris, on 10/12/2007, -23/+58Limbaugh WAS great until I woke up and opened my eyes and realized this whole rep vs dem ***** was just that, *****. He's now just an entertaining tool of the neo-cons.
- Wamzlee, on 10/12/2007, -8/+36"In Limbaugh's world, "there never was a surplus" under President Clinton. AIDS "hasn't made that jump to the heterosexual community," and cutting food stamps is harmless because recipients "aren't using them." Two years ago, Limbaugh said the minimum wage was $6 or $7 an hour. Last year, he said gas was $1.29 a gallon."
Wow....what a crazy ass world. I can't believe people actually believe his *****, just like people believe in Scientology. - XTC109G, on 10/12/2007, -3/+31 Rush is the conservative republicans' version of Howard Stern, except that Howard Stern isn't a drug addict and doesn't back pedophiles in government.
- vhold, on 10/12/2007, -7/+34"There is a huge difference between someone doing recreational drugs and someone that gets addicted to pain killers from having chronic pain after years of serious back surgeries."
Mind explaining the difference? Do either warrant having your freedom removed and being put next to murderers and rapists at great taxpayer expense? If so, why? - mushoo, on 10/12/2007, -4/+27"The article makes many very valid points about Limbaugh but not everything Rush says is BS and sometimes he is right on the money."
Because even a stopped clock is right twice a day. The only time Rush is "right on the money" is when he comes back from a break and tells you what time it is.
"With that said I question the timing of the Slate article particularly around this whole Michael J. Fox fiasco. Listening to Rush there are many things I believe the press should pick the guy a part on but this should not have been one of them. This article and it being on the frontpage of digg just seems to be part of liberals pushing it this election cycle."
Because as we all know Digg is what the mainstream listens to and this making the front page will turn everyone against Rush and his neocon listeners. Damn those pinko-commie leftists are crafty :{
"Fox made a political commerical in which he states the Republican candidates were against Stem Cell Research. When in actuality they are against taxpayer funding of Embroyonic stem cell research. Rush called him on the facts of this commercial."
Yes, stating that Fox went of his meds or was faking it, while imitating him, is calling him on the facts.
"So DNC talking points now up until the election is to discredit Limbaugh as much as possible. Sites like Digg are very much a factor of pushing their agenda."
Right, you keep fighting those crafty DNC types and their masterful plans to push their agenda. Anything that makes you believe you're right, right? - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -4/+23For those modding down aviazn, I recommend you google around for "The Power of Nightmares", a wonderful documentary that compares the rise of the neo-cons and the fundamentalist Islamic movement. A terrific watch.
- ZenMojo, on 10/12/2007, -2/+22C'est vrai. Young, heterosexual black males are up there too.
This is the unfortunate problem. If you say it's a gay disease, then everyone else will ignore it (hence...young, straight black men). If you say it's everyone's disease, those at a higher risk won't take extra precaution (hence...gay males). Damned if you do, damned if you don't.
What you need to do are just throw out the statistics. The real ones, not the ***** about condoms not being effective (they are). You also need a comprehensive system of testing for the disease. - Phatt138, on 10/12/2007, -3/+21Devo - actually, heterosexual women of all races and creeds represent the fastest-growing segment of the AIDS population. Of course, that's only if you take the World Health Organization's worldview rather than that of a pompous white drug-addict. This is for (partially) the same reason that the disease is so prevalent among gay men: a disease spread through bodily fluids is much more likely to infect the 'reciever' of said fluids than the...erm...pitcher. Furthermore, the chance of bleeding (which of course creates openings into the bloodstream) is more common with certain types of sex than others.
The point is this: it's all logistics. There are plenty of hetero- and homosexual people having unprotected sex, and those who do so in high-risk situations are much more likely to contract HIV. The largest AIDS population is in the heart of Africa, and this isn't due to homosexual sex. The disease struck the gay population in America first, and will therefore always be associated with homosexuality - no matter how many suburbanite white girls catch it.
You're right that the disease is a huge issue in the gay community, but again, this isn't because of some intrinsic failing on their part but rather because of the means of lovemaking and the (unfortunately) irresponsible era that preceded the discovery of AIDS. The reason people react so violently to those who opine a view like yours is not that they're 'more concerned about not offending people' than acknowledging the demographics of the disease, but rather because what your narrow-minded view represents is the unhealthy, unrealistic, dangerous, and highly elitist notion that AIDS is something that only happen to those who 'ask for it.' - TheNik, on 10/12/2007, -18/+35This was a good read. Limbaugh is a pompous fat-ass with a drug problem.
Republicans, or Neo-Cons, rather, need to wake up. It's not about God (we may as well base laws from ghost stories) and it's not about you. For the sake of the country, please leave. - Urusai, on 10/12/2007, -6/+23The difference is that the conservatives have men with guns to back up their version of reality. If you don't believe me, try protesting at one of "our" President's events. I get..defensive...when thugs with guns threaten me.
- dinergy, on 10/12/2007, -9/+26hahahahhahahaha. bury this comment, please, but ***** that's the most ignorant thing i've ever read.
- Artifez, on 10/12/2007, -6/+20Hey Devoboy, predicting that you are going to get modded down doesn't make you sound clever or witty, it makes you sound like a tool, And BTW getting addicted is getting addicted doesn't matter if you take drugs for pain or recreation. Your moralistic view that taking drugs for pain is somehow ok while taking drugs for recreation is not is fundamentally flawed. By that judgement all alcoholics are somehow less pitiable then those who become addicted to painkillers. Save your rationalizations, he's a hypocritical, hate filled shill and you are making excuses for him out of some warped sense of pity.
- ZenMojo, on 10/12/2007, -6/+20Right. This from someone who believes the Nazis were a liberal movement.
- asdfasdf, on 10/12/2007, -1/+12"Rush WAS great before he went into rehab for addiction to pain killers"
You make it sound so subtle. He was arrested because he was obtaining 3,000 Oxycontin pills monthly. Oxycontin (hillbilly heroin) is just as bad as heroin. Rush is a junkie. He got off by settling the case out of court for $30,000. - cvelusc, on 10/12/2007, -1/+12'But if you worry about the embryos, you had bloody well better look into the eyes of the people dying of these diseases. You had better ask yourself whether slowing research that might save them is an acceptable price for your principles.'
I have a spinal cord injury that has left me paralyzed with a multitude of health problems. Please, please, please, give people like me and others with crippling diseases a chance for a healthier future. Broadening our research capabilities is the best measure in treating today's incurable diseases. - fmaxwell, on 10/12/2007, -3/+13"Seeing as how Limbaugh is just a psychotic drug addict, it's amazing the liberals can't match him with a successful radio talk show."
That's like being amazed that that there are not more successful tattoo parlors and chewing tobacco companies run by, and for, liberals.
The people who incessantly listen to talk radio as a substitute for critical thinking and to reinforce their belief that their failure in life is due to some extraneous cause (liberals, blacks, the government, women, etc.) are simply less educated, less intelligent, and, as a result, have a lower income. In other words, they are, by and large, conservative voters. I analyzed the 2000 presidential elections and found the following:
These are the top ten states rated by percentage of residents over 25 with bachelor's degrees or higher:
1 Colorado Bush
Massachusetts Gore
Maryland Gore
Virginia Bush
Connecticut Gore
Minnesota Gore
New Hampshire Bush
New Jersey Gore
Vermont Gore
New York Gore
And now for the bottom ten states (those with the smallest percentage
of residents over 25 with bachelor's degrees or higher):
Wyoming Bush
Kentucky Bush
Alabama Bush
Idaho Bush
Nevada Bush
South Carolina Bush
Mississippi Bush
Arkansas Bush
Indiana Bush
50 West Virginia Bush
Gore wont a strong majority of the top ten states by income:
1 Connecticut Gore
New Jersey Gore
Massachusetts Gore
Maryland Gore
New York Gore
New Hampshire Bush
Minnesota Gore
Illinois Gore
Colorado Bush
California Gore
Bottom ten states by income:
Louisiana Bush
South Carolina Bush
Alabama Bush
Idaho Bush
Montana Bush
Utah Bush
New Mexico Gore
West Virginia Bush
Arkansas Bush
50 Mississippi Bush
So it looks like Gore was the strong favorite in states where the population was educated and enjoyed a good income. Bush was the candidate of choice in states where education and income were low. And that's where you will find the bitter, conservative voters hanging on Rush Limbaugh's every word. - Endemoniada, on 10/12/2007, -1/+11Look. I'm from Sweden, so I'm really as objective as can be. I don't care who 'wins' in the end. But I do care who gets to be the next president, because he has a chance to _fix_ that shadow of a once great nation that you've become.
Democrats, republicans... Seriously, what's the difference? They're both whiny bastards who refuse to take responsibility for anything they say. No one seems to even care about your country anymore, as long as they get their 15 minutes of fame. Your entire political system is like something out of Ricki Lake or Jerry Springer. And your disease is starting to spread over here too. We recently had a change major change in our government, and the very first thing the media did was discredit three of our top politicians. They didn't care if they could do their job well, they didn't even give them a chance. They dug up every little piece of insignificant dirt they could, just to get something to print a headline out of. This resulted in two of them quitting, just days after getting the job.
Politics should be about who can do the best for the country, not who suffered the least scandals. Your whole election is a farce, a big joke. And I have never seen people get so caught up in the joke itself like you Americans, as to miss the entire _point_ of this election. You, the American people, are solely responsible for electing a new president that will _lead_ your country, make it better and hopefully guide it to the path of _true_ freedom, freedom that each and every American not only takes for granted, but also takes _responsibility_ for.
So take it from someone who's neither a democrat nor a republican, neocon nor liberal. USE your voice and vote for someone who will make the USA a better country for _you_! - SonofMore, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10Hannity is even worse than Limbaugh. Sean talks over and cuts off anyone he doesn't agree with. Rush at least gives a closer chance at equal airtime for dissenting callers. As for Sean, he is a complete broken record on the War on Terror, War on Terror and War on Terror.
While I'm a paleolibertarian myself, rarely agreeing with either Sean or Rush, at least Rush has slightly more entertaining rhetoric compared to Hannity's bile. Nuff said. - ZenMojo, on 10/12/2007, -2/+11"Seeing as how Limbaugh is just a psychotic drug addict, it's amazing the liberals can't match him with a successful radio talk show."
Clear channel bought up all of the radio stations and most of us are busy watching television anyway. - ZenMojo, on 10/12/2007, -7/+15I grew up as a kid watching Rush Limbaugh's talk show (and Dennis Prager). If anyone wonders why I'm a far-left liberal, THAT is the reason why.
Any idiot knows he's wrong. It takes a special kind of idiot to actually agree with him every once in a while and a unique top-of-the-line idiot to agree with him all of the time. In fact, the smarter you are the less you believe him and I can pretty accurately rate your IQ just off of how much you hate that *****.
I had never really given him much thought and just pretty much blew him off as a waste until I listened to the sheer amount of lies he had begun to tell. Before he was just wrong, now he's actually making ***** up as he goes along. - ZenMojo, on 10/12/2007, -4/+10How long do you think embryonic stem cell research has been practiced? Get with the program, people who would have died from HIV 15 years ago are alive today because of scientific advancement.
You have a freezer full of embryos -- not fetuses, by the way, but embryos which are completely undeveloped. At some point, those embryos will be non-viable. What do you do with them? Even if you put some up for adoption, less than 100 children have been born from frozen embryos in the last 8 years while we're sitting on thousands, maybe hundreds of thousands of them. Your choice for the embryos is essentially the following.
1) Throw them away.
2) Experiment with them.
3) Eat them.
If you can think of another use for a frozen embryo, I'd be glad to hear it, but if not then please explain why answer 1 or 3 is better than answer 2. You can use whatever debate tactic you wish, I'm open to a variety of styles, approaches, and perspectives. I just want to hear the real answer behind this.
Keep in mind that embryo farming is not the question here. These are embryos we already have. Further keep in mind that this question could be expanded to aborted embryos if you simply want to discard the negligible factor of the infinitesimal number of embryos that will get adopted and become living people.
Proceed. - moore757, on 10/12/2007, -8/+14In all honesty, I simply cannot understand what it is people see in this man. Granted I completely recognize the fact that he is entertaining, even if he spews some of the most ignorant, sensationalized, and utterly vile nonsense on such a wide level, people who love and hate him are intrigued by his antics. My question is WHY? There are so many other interesting people in this world to listen to. But to hear some of the Rush zealots describe their affection for this man and his hate filled words truly baffles me.
- Twango, on 10/12/2007, -7/+13Ya gotta love it when these people let it all hang out right where everyone can see it.
Rush's stock and trade has largely been name-calling. It's what the far right does whenever it has no valid arguments to support what it wants to do ... which is most of the time. But Rush isn't psychotic; far from being Teddy Roosevelt, he's just a mean, medicated man who speaks loudly and carries a little stick. Isolated for decades at the top of lo-fi AM, adored by the only people he'll listen to, the arrogance he honed to perfection shines through. - cthulhu, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6Rush has so many listeners because he's almost single-handedly responsible for giving the republican net brigade their talking points. It's required listening by these dopes. They wouldn't know where they stand on any issue without him.
That means when he's wrong, they're wrong. They try that ***** on fark, metafilter or plastic or any other major site on the net and they get their ass handed to them every time.
Especially now that they've got so many problems that they need to figure out how to blame on the left. - martalli, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Stereotyping Midwesterners as ignorant dittoheads smacks of ignorance itself. In fact, Midwesterners tend to be tolerant and many Midwesterners put a premium on education. In fact, many of these conservative radio types hail from the coasts: Rush from Florida, Michael Savage from California. The Midwest has plenty of left leaning places, including my very own Illinois. Abraham Lincoln, Dick Durbin, Al Franken, Walter Mondale. and Barack Obama are (or were) from the Midwest. The venerable Mosaic, a distant ancestor to Netscape and Firefox, was first written at the University of Illinois.
I'm not going to make any stark claims of Midwestern liberalism or write any long essays on the achievements of the Midwest. I merely find gross assumptions about any group of people or region often distasteful. - mushoo, on 10/12/2007, -5/+9"If you can't—if all you can see is "acting"—then you need more help than they do. Fox's disease can only take your body. Limbaugh's can take your soul."
Wow!
Somehow I think it's harder to cure someone like Limbaugh and his followers or the Hannitized for that matter. - aviazn, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Direct link to The Power of Nightmares (including an iso):
http://www.archive.org/details/ThePowerOfNightmares
It's a three hour BBC documentary--looks interesting.
"In the past our politicians offered us dreams of a better world. Now they promise to protect us from nightmares. The most frightening of these is the threat of an international terror network. But just as the dreams were not true, neither are these nightmares. In a new series, the Power of Nightmares explores how the idea that we are threatened by a hidden and organised terrorist network is an illusion. ... At the heart of the story are two groups: the American neo-conservatives and the radical Islamists. Both were idealists who were born out of the failure of the liberal dream to build a better world. These two groups have changed the world but not in the way either intended. Together they created today's nightmare vision of an organised terror network. A fantasy that politicians then found restored their power and authority in a disillusioned age. Those with the darkest fears became the most powerful." - Danin, on 10/12/2007, -4/+8@ SwordofKahless
Ebryonic stem cell research doesn't steal human life. There are thousands of embryos that go unused by in vitro fertilization every year that get dumped into a biowaste dumpster at no benefit to everyone. Embryonic stem cell research uses these surplus embryos for research. Are you honestly suggesting that we should ignore medical science that could potentially save thousands of lives because of your misinformed ideal that we need to proserve the sanctity of some slop at the bottom of a trash can? - everfalling, on 10/12/2007, -3/+7if i could digg this more than once i would.
- Ascendant, on 10/12/2007, -5/+9We have listened to the show before... that's why when we see all these quotes of Limbaugh spouting ignorant, incorrect, or asinine things, it's not hard to believe, since it's par for the course with what we've heard listening to the show ourselves.
- 16x9, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5You're joking, right?
- Cameleopard, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4I'll be damned, a comment thread on a political post that was informative, interesting, and relatively without bile. Congratulations!
- daeyeth, on 10/12/2007, -8/+11Good read. Michael J. Fox is, and always will be, the little man that stole my heart
- dinergy, on 10/12/2007, -11/+14unfortunately, the mid-west is full of loyal followers. people who don't see the problem in buying dishnetwork for their mobilehome and spending their money on lotto tickets.
idiocy is common-place, now. - aviazn, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4Thanks freff. Yup, Paul Wolfowitz considered himself a liberal--he marched on Washington with Martin Luther King Jr., he worked as an aide for a Democratic senator in the 70s, and he worked in the Carter administration at the Pentagon. It wasn't until the Reagan administration that he jumped ship to work with Republicans, and he remains a registered Democrat to this day.
"In late 1979 Jeanne Kirkpatrick began a migration of neoconservatives from their traditional base in the U.S. Democratic Party over to the U.S. Republican Party and its Presidential candidate Ronald Reagan."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Wolfowitz
Of course, once they switched, there were plenty of receptive Republicans who joined with them--like Donald Rumsfeld. TheNik was saying that Rush Limbaugh and the religious right are "neo-cons" when in fact nothing could be farther from the truth. There's nothing "neo" about Rush Limbaugh's conservatism--he's always been a conservative. The neoconservatives aren't the religious right--those are *theo*conservatives. - Artifez, on 10/12/2007, -4/+7Saying that he is the most listed to radio show in the world is like saying you have the most popular moustache wax in the world, what a pathetic thing to be proud of. I can't recall the last time I listened to the radio. What an irrellevant relic of a nasty angry culture.
- 1159, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4"Here's one: Why is Webb running for office when he writes about man/boy/raunchy sex and doesn't have to quit, but Foley has to leave with his creepiness......The Democratic Party has no standards or morals compared to Republicans and that is saying something because Republicans are far from perfect themselves."
Ok, I'll bite. Here's the difference since your moral compass seems to be broken. Webb, as an author (you know, those people who write fiction?) was describing a fictional scene, (based on things he actually saw in Vietnam) to tell a story. Sure, it may be creepy, but try reading horror or suspense novels sometime. Foley, on the other hand, did his nastiness here in the real world, to real people, as a real person, and may have actually broken the law. It's pretty sad that this has to be explained to you.
As to your last assertion, that Dems have no morals compared to Repubs, I'd like to point out:
Mark Foley
Duke "I'm innocent!" Cunningham
Bob "I'm innocent!" Ney
Tom "I'm innocent!" Delay
Jim "I'm innocent!" Kolbe
Jack "I'm not going down alone" Abramoff
Dennis "The Cleaner" Hastert
Don "The Choker" Sherwood
I could go on, (and on, and on, and on) but you get the idea. These are only the ones who got caught, and according to Abramoff, more are coming. Ironically, Dems haven't been in power since Clinton and yet Republican sheep blame them for everything. Take a good look in the mirror, YOU and your Let-Limbaugh-Do-My-Thinking kind, have no business talking about morals. - LtJimDangle2, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4"The folks who get addicted to drugs are weak in mind and let Satan decide for them,.and shouldn't be allowed to breed."
The folks who actually believe in Satan should not be allowed to breed, IMNSHO. - CircleFusion, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3@Phatt138
That was an amazingly well-written point. I wanted to place focus on it again, especially your last line.
"but rather because what your narrow-minded view represents is the unhealthy, unrealistic, dangerous, and highly elitist notion that AIDS is something that only happen to those who 'ask for it.'"
That seems to be a major criticism of a lot of conservative people. There are a lot of undertones that needs to be addressed.
I wish people would just say what they are really thinking. It'd be so much easier. What is the motivation behind believing in certain "facts" over others? - SwordofKahless, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2If my information on animal studies has become out dated then it is still irrelevant in my opinion. This since it is my belief that we should not put value on one life over another.
Again it all all has to do in your beliefs and when you believe life begins. If you believe in abortion, then embryonic stem cell research likely is not much of a problem for you.
If you believe life begins at conception where during those 8 weeks the embryo has the potential to develop into a full human being, you are then experimenting on that life and intentionally setting out to destroy it. - rtini, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Here is his "apology":
"I apologize for saying he didn't take his meds. Instead, he took too much medication. But he didn't do this when he went on Boston Legal, and he didn't do this when he was with Tammy Duckworth earlier this week on a public appearance fund-raiser. "
Wow, what a great f*cking apology. - vixiecron, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Though this is purely anecdotal, I've noticed that some of the most intolerant people that I've ever met have been liberals. These same people also tend to be smug, arrogant, self-righteous, and downright obnoxious at times. They can never lose an argument, even when the facts are against them -- all you come away with is frustration and dread for the future of the human race.
I'm not saying all liberals are like this -- just the ones I want to strangle. And I'm sure there are conservatives that are just as bad. I've never met them, however. Again -- anecdotal. - rationalist, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3So open their brains fall out.
- c4roline, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2after the election there will be a bunch of drunk rednecks at the bar that know nothing about politics talking about how pissed or happy they are that their candidate won or lost... like a football game where you picked the team because you liked the uniform...
- Sunwalker, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Rush Limbaugh - Viaggravating OxyMoron
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hK1ySfKQf_4 -
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