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- mbtria, on 11/09/2009, -2/+31The major branches of the "Children of Abraham" (Islam, Judaism and Christianity) are engaged in that most bitter of struggles, internecine war. The most potent war mongers on three all sides hate each other for exactly what they are, carbon copies of themselves. The rest of us suffer for their onanistic loathing.
- novenator, on 11/08/2009, -19/+48That's because they ARE. The ultra-conservative religious extremists in Iran and America have far more in common than they will ever admit. That's because their mutual antagonism fuels each other. What we need is for moderates on both (and all) sides to start standing up to the war mongers, extremists, and fundamentalists in their own respective countries. Only by moderates talking can our differences be worked out.
- inajeep, on 11/08/2009, -7/+23"America is still the Great Satan." from Iran's version of Fox News or Drudge.
Another reason for the religious to be out of politics. No prayer breakfasts or lobbying. You will never get either side to capitulate or compromise. - Paranor01, on 11/09/2009, -1/+15wow, you're confused that it's a left/right thing. it's a "i want to control the world" thing, and it's simple as a child's mind refusing to grow up and accept reality where they have to share with others and they can't get what they want all the time.
please grow up and get a clue CapnSlam (in other words, quit your trolling job and get out into the world) - miffelplix, on 11/09/2009, -1/+15From Eric Hoffer's "The True Believer":
"Hitler looked on the German Communists as potential National Socialists: 'The petit bourgeois Social Democrat and the trade-union boss will never make a National Socialist, but the Communist always will.' Captain Rohm boasted that he could turn the reddest Communist into a glowing nationalist in four weeks."
The point is, a fundamentalist believes in fundamentalism--the details of which are irrelevant and interchangeable. - denizen42, on 11/09/2009, -0/+9wow, you're REALLY retarded.
- CosmicSurfer, on 11/09/2009, -9/+18Neo-Cons are Neo-Cons regardless if they are US Exceptionalists, Iranian Exceptionalists, Israeli Exceptionalists
- Hrodrik, on 11/09/2009, -1/+10Moron.
- inactive, on 11/09/2009, -2/+10moronity is universal human "value"
- Paranor01, on 11/09/2009, -1/+8your comment is probably the most insightful about the whole thing.
unfortunately, it's not scary or angry enough for most to consider it being true. - sodade, on 11/09/2009, -1/+8Iranian extremism is a baby born off the sperm of US/UK imperialism in 1953 and empowered by 60 years of a US foreign policy that makes burning US flags the only rational choice.
- thinkrationally, on 11/09/2009, -0/+7So by equating negotiations as weak by invoking the whole "feelings" angle, you attempt to paint any such strategy as hopeless wishful thinking. In the same breath you smear anyone not as right-wing as you are, essentially saying that you're strong and willing to do what needs to be done, while "Liberals" are not. It's an easy argument to make--that talking is a weak strategy--but it seems aimed more at mocking those on the other side of the political spectrum than an attempt to assess any real possibilities that might come from diplomacy. Another incorrect argument, which may be made later, is that if talks do not resolve anything that it was not worth the attempt. Discussions do not have to be seen or carried out in a submissive manner.
This is such a narrow view of the situation that it highlights something that is very likely true--you are one of the fundamentalists the article is talking about (literally, since they use those who oppose negotiations as an example). Based on your other posts, this seems to be a distinct possibility. - IKORKYI, on 11/09/2009, -0/+6negotions.... are those like thetans?
- FreakyT, on 11/09/2009, -0/+5It's quite true. Just as the American neoconservative wants to export the American way of life to the far reaches of the glove, the Iranian one wants to do the same for Islamism.
- Elranzer, on 11/09/2009, -1/+5Wow - conservatives are confused.
- clvngodess, on 11/09/2009, -1/+5No Sanman, fascism is not a left wing phenom. To say that is to not understand either socialism or fascism. This is a very common mistake by those who swing hard to the right. You confuse the meaning of the word "social." You confuse the meaning and intent of the fascists and dictators (which are generally not leftist by any means).
You also make the mistake of assuming socialism has only one construct. This is incorrect. Socialism is an adaptable model. And that model for other countries is not the same as what occurred under Stalin or Lenin. It is different in each country, it's own history and culture adopting the model as they see fit.
This is precisely why the right get this so very wrong about socialism. For that matter, most Americans. - Elranzer, on 11/09/2009, -0/+4Reality has a well-known liberal bias.
- Elranzer, on 11/09/2009, -1/+5There's no difference between all ultra-conservative religious extremists. Taliban Islam or Christian conservatives... They're all crazy and dangerous people and the world would be better off without them.
- clvngodess, on 11/09/2009, -0/+3Why does the truth have to be scary or angry. When one removes the emotion and interjection of one's own fears from the facts, the facts are just that. Nothing to be afraid of nothing angry, they are what they are. Everything else, is just a matter of perception.
- clvngodess, on 11/09/2009, -0/+3Really? Liberals refuse to see the universal truth about totalitarianism? Dare I ask where you were a little over 8 years ago when the totalitarianism took over as the Great Decider and preempted two wars? Most of my brethren were in the streets protesting this totalitarianism and war mongering, aka, fascism/corporatism/communism. Where were you?
- clvngodess, on 11/09/2009, -1/+4I know you meant to say globe, but I think glove is a great typo. As in boxing glove. The US imperialism is just a bully punching it's way around the globe...
- sodade, on 11/09/2009, -0/+3I'll tell you why Iran can't shake the loonies - Operation Ajax.
- CapnSlam, on 11/09/2009, -1/+4Reason IS dead
try posting the US Constitution on digg and see what happens
http://digg.com/politics/Sweeping_Health_Care_Plan ... - nosenseofself, on 11/09/2009, -0/+2Actually....the 1953 Iranian coup d’état (Operation Ajax) was done under Eisenhower, a republican. Don't let history get in the way of your argument though that it was born from those evil leftists though.
- Elranzer, on 11/09/2009, -0/+2The federal government expanded more under Republican George W Bush than any other US president.
- mijopo, on 11/09/2009, -0/+2'totalitarianism always comes cloaked one way or another from the left'
actually, in the real world, totalitarianism comes from the Right as well as the Left
"Nazism and Fascism had many common elements. Both were aggressively nationalistic, militaristic, and hostile to democracy, liberalism and (even more strongly) to communism."
http://www.bcc.cuny.edu/History/His10/Course/topic ... - mbtria, on 11/09/2009, -0/+2clvngodess, most people are motivated and ruled by their emotions. Fear, and its emollient anger, are two of the strongest emotions. This is why we have wars, assaults and hatred.
It is the struggle of maturation to separate decisions and actions from emotional impetus. Unfortunately too many believe their "feelings" and beliefs are divine truth. - inactive, on 11/09/2009, -1/+3Fascism is adaptable as well, Hitler had no more in common with Mussolini and Franco than FDR did with Stalin, Nazism was a distinct ideology in itself, Hitler personally had no interest in economics and declared both marxism and capitalism to be an enemy. He instead believed that a nation's success is worked out in the end through warfare and subjugation rather than peaceful economic development.
- detwiljp, on 11/09/2009, -1/+3um... well I don't know about the "neocon crazy super extreme evil christian right!!!!!!!!!" but I don't like Iran because they seem to want to kill everyone who disagrees with them. I'm only in favor of killing people who obstruct my freedoms, aka: terrorist.
- mijopo, on 11/09/2009, -0/+2'Bronx Community College as your source'
So, my elitist comrade, would the source have greater veracity if it was a different sort of educational institution? - inactive, on 11/09/2009, -1/+3Rohm was right, the truth is many revolutionaries are usually bitter and lost people who can't find their place or function in a mainstream society so they look to a group or an extremist ideology to cling to. At the time in Weimar Germany communism flourished but once it became apparent the Nazis were winning the battles in the streets alot of reds switched sides, it wasn't so much about what the ideology was about but who was going to be the first to tear down the system and replace it with something new.
Also the reason Nazism succeeded is it took bits and pieces from every ideology that could appeal to everyone the socialists loved the public works projects and generous benefits and social programs the state pushed, capitalists loved the arms manufacturing projects, and the intellectuals liked the new age paganism core of the party adopted from the Thule society. Also the racial theories compounded world history into the most basic of instinctive biology, to survive or die off, it was something new compared to the stale arguments of Marxism where everything was compounded as class struggle which was far harder to prove as a theory than human Darwinism. - oviron, on 11/09/2009, -1/+3DON'T FEED THE TROLL!
- zip000, on 11/09/2009, -0/+1Dugg for onanism.
- nosenseofself, on 11/10/2009, -0/+1I love how you avoided the argument by going straight for the ad hominem when you ran out of things to say.
You: Iranian extremism is the liberal's fault.
Me: No it's not *shows proof*
You: Well you're a Christian-hater!
Also, it's Shah not Shaw. Not to mention that the Ayatollah wouldn't exist if it weren't for the Shah never crossed your mind huh? - FreakyT, on 11/09/2009, -1/+2lol wat
- quaxon, on 11/09/2009, -0/+1Iran (well mainly Ahmadi, he doesnt really speak for the whole of Iran thought) has been misquoted about wanting to take out Israel, though the US actually does go around killing everyone who doesn't agree with them. You support the actual killers but dislike the ones who have done absolutely nothing?
"I'm only in favor of killing people who obstruct my freedoms"
Then that means you want to kill Bush, his cabinet, the CIA and the US troops as they are the ones who have taken away your freedoms as well as making it less safe to be an american from all the murder and carnage they have caused around the globe. You can kill Obama too for not reinstating our freedom back and continuing most of Bushes policies. - CapnSlam, on 11/10/2009, -1/+2No
The Ayatollah wouldn't exist if Jimmy Carter had the common sense to swiftly vaporized him - notice how and when those hostages were released because the Iranians knew how Reagan would negotiate
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now we face nightmarish likelihood that Iran will become a nuclear armed terror state.. because obama is a ***** idiot - quaxon, on 11/09/2009, -2/+3The main difference is that US neocons actually attack the countries they threaten, Iran just talks about it.
- stevebee, on 11/15/2009, -0/+1The Taliban stone women to death.
The Taliban hang gays for being gay.
The Taliban slice off little girl's clitorises.
The Taliban beat and kill women if they don't cover their faces.
What do the Christian conservatives do? - mijopo, on 11/10/2009, -0/+1and your proof?
- biogears, on 11/09/2009, -3/+4Salon, Huffpo, Slate, NPR, etc - they fear conservatives in the US more than Iran which is on the brink of having nuclear weapons to carry out their promises. Reason is dead.
- Paranor01, on 11/10/2009, -1/+2@clvngodess: oh I agree with you 100%, but most people won't even look twice at something unless it's bleeding profusely or screaming it's head off about it's head being off.
- detwiljp, on 11/09/2009, -1/+1Well I understand that there are plenty of people who disagree with Ahmadi but he does speak for Iran because thats his position. Just like Obama unfortunately speaks for the US.
I don't think Ahmadinejad has been misquoted every time in the countless quotes he's provided clearly stating he hates Israel and wants to see there government dismantled.
You are right about us killing people that don't agree with us in the sense that we have our way of life which has proven to prosper our nation and its people greatly, and Iran has their way of life which enslaves women and kills or imprisons anyone who doesn't agree with the Muslim faith. Both sides think they are right and are willing to die to preserve their way of life. Thats fine. I just hope our side wins because I truly believe our way is more successful. I mean its been proven. If their way was more successful they would be the superpower. I don't think we need to take over the whole world and force them into our way of life but i do think its important to eliminate any perceived threats to our nation. - CapnSlam, on 11/09/2009, -2/+2perhaps the actual history of the 20th century rather than the revisionist regurgitated -derivative - agenda driven crap might do -- I think the "educational" elitism comes solely from the left as is demonstrated by academia's self propelled perpetual motion machine called liberalism that creates massive problems and attempts to solve them with more of the same ideology
..... and is at it rockin best, obam!!!
affirmative action because at this point racism is mostly a product of the left - mijopo, on 11/10/2009, -1/+1And your proof of 'actual history of the 20th century' vs. 'revisionist regurgitated -derivative - agenda driven crap' ???
- Barackalypse, on 11/09/2009, -1/+1The situation isn't quite analogous, the extremists here fully realize the risks of cooperation, whereas the extremists there fail to realize they aren't actually conceding anything, since they can continue to enrich uranium in secret as they have for many years.
- CapnSlam, on 11/09/2009, -3/+2Bronx Community College as your source
wow --we're ***** - CapnSlam, on 11/09/2009, -2/+1and needless to say left with the choice between the Shaw OR the Ayatollah for the one that you would side with ...
???
you'll happily go with the religious psychopath (provided he's of the anti-Christian variety-) appease him and give birth to modern Islamic terrorism - CapnSlam, on 11/09/2009, -3/+2what's so funny is that the left will use ANY conceivable situation to increase the size, scope and power of government to control every aspect of peoples lives ...and then have the stupidity to argue totalitarianism comes from the right
- CapnSlam, on 11/09/2009, -4/+2are you talking about obama's illegal wars ?
um -- the "necessary" war in Afghanistan ?
or the other one that Iraq was in clear violation of the "91 cease fire agreement?
clearly you are on the side of Taliban.... and Saddam's Bathist party
I rest my case that totalitarianism comes from and is supported by the left
thanks - have a nice day -
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