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The United States of Fascismerica

hypnosiscontrol.com — The US is not a true democracy (it never was), but it is no longer the representative democracy/federal republic that the rest of the world admires. The US is a corporate owned pseudo-republic or, more specifically, a fascist state. The American public has lost all government control and is being taken down the road of oppression.

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  • zappa717, on 01/10/2008, -8/+20well duh.
    • ToadLeg, on 01/10/2008, -2/+4The United States has brought back MK-ULTRA, in a new and modernized form.
      • imperium2000, on 01/10/2008, -0/+3Any evidence of this?
        • ToadLeg, on 01/10/2008, -2/+4None. It happened to me in Basic Military Training when I tried to enter the military.
        • imperium2000, on 01/10/2008, -1/+5What exactly happened to you? and what do you mean you TRIED to enter the military?
        • ToadLeg, on 01/10/2008, -1/+3Until I find someone who has had a similar experience, which would give more credibility to the story, it is rather pointless to describe it in more detail. They set it up to sound like nonsense if only one person talked about it.
        • imperium2000, on 01/10/2008, -2/+4Of course...very persuasive.
          "I know something but I can't tell you about it because it makes me sound crazy."

          So...uhhh why did they not let you into the military again?
        • ToadLeg, on 01/10/2008, -0/+3I only make the comment because someone else who this has happened to may be looking for me, for the same reason I am looking for them.
    • imperium2000, on 01/10/2008, -1/+5Up in the front page and buried within 5 minutes. Democracy of Digg at work.
  • cashman57, on 01/10/2008, -7/+13The American public has not lost ALL control. See the website at www.givemeliberty.org and check out their plan
    • geddon, on 01/10/2008, -0/+5Check out their plan to "fraudulently terminate withholding of federal income and employment taxes?" Doesn't sound like much of a plan.
      • Waiting2awake, on 01/10/2008, -5/+5If there are crooks in your government(and there are) - and your government is hurting you(and they are), then the only sane way to fight back is to make them completely and utterly irrelevent - and that is done by ignoring them completely, and certainly not paying them.

        Want to stop the war, and get your government to balance your books? Announce en mass to the world that the US government will not get one more red cent through taxes, even if it means jail time.

        Why would you continue to pay those that are hurting you?
        • IHaveIssues, on 01/10/2008, -0/+6I'm not going to visit you in jail, I'll be busy trying to effect change while NOT in jail.
        • Waiting2awake, on 01/10/2008, -5/+5Thats ok, I am not going to visit you in slavery. I am not American. Your apathy can destroy your country all you like. But if I were you I'd watch my back. I am sure there are quite a few true Americans that will sooner or later realize their country was stolen from them, and while they may never get to exact revenge on the politicians - they sure can get you and others that simply sat back and screwed the future generations...

          Eventually it will happen here in Canada too, and if we lose Canada, the way it appears Americans are on the verge of losing America - I can tell you what would do to those that enabled it to happen. They'd be better off going to Iraq.

          In case it hasn't broken through to you yet - tell me the last time a government gave back power without a fight? In round numbers? Like in a really REALLY round number? '0'?? You can not change it safely, you will either die on your knees for conformity, or die on your feet for honesty. You will die(sometime) the only thing that matters is how you live. So please start living like more than you matters.
          • PrezKennedy, on 01/10/2008, -2/+5Thanks, but it's easy to give advice from the sidelines.
          • Waiting2awake, on 01/10/2008, -2/+4All advice is on the sidelines. Why would you listen to someone in the same mess as you are in? If they knew how to solve it they wouldn't be there with you.

            Critical thinking my friend. But as before - suit yourselves. Clearly Americans know best..... you guys have gotten your government under complete control.
          • geddon, on 01/10/2008, -0/+3Canadians aren't sitting on the sidelines. Numerous reports have shown the country is slowly sliding towards the Right, with heightened security and less of a tolerance for marijuana. Must have something to do with a Conservative Prime Minister who once fought on the side of the National Citizen's Coalition.
        • geddon, on 01/10/2008, -0/+3They are borrowing money on their own private accounts. I've wrestled with the desire to stop paying taxes for many years until I decided that it simply gave them a definite reason to lock me away; my decision wouldn't put a dent in their imaginary budget.
        • vornan19, on 01/10/2008, -0/+4When the business you work for deducts taxes from your paycheck before you get it how can you deny paying the tax? Please enlighten me.

          Sure, I could drop out and busk (among other things) for a living but I am very skinny and fear getting skinnier as I may disappear ;D (I weigh 25lbs. less than I did in high school also, I do not know how to effectively farm). I have been hungry before and do not relish to be so again (pun intended).

          I think you mean bloody revolution not withholding taxes.
  • doublehead, on 01/10/2008, -4/+26If this doesn't end with this next election it may never be reversible. People need to see this and take action. The corporate media is already black listing the only candidate who acknowledges this problem and plans to do something about it.
    • yellowcakewalk, on 01/10/2008, -2/+10If they pass S.1959 we may not even be able to discuss the "next election", if there ever is another election.
    • geddon, on 01/10/2008, -2/+2I wonder if anyone was saying that in 1988 when Bush stole the election from Dole?
      http://www.digg.com/politics/NH_primary_1988_Alleg ...
    • ChaosMotor, on 01/10/2008, -0/+2I'm working on a way to make all these corporations and power bases irrelevant by taking away their incomes, and once the corporate masters fall, their government subjects will follow them down.
  • Haecceity, on 01/10/2008, -6/+9I wonder if ultimately what can protect a country from fascism isn't a consitution (the Soviet Union had one of those) but a culture of decency. That's one reason I was so happy about Obama winning in Iowa - people were looking beyond race and he also has the potential to encourage Americans to be more optimistic.
    • yellowcakewalk, on 01/10/2008, -5/+5Obama is better than any of the other front runners, but caveat emptor. Member of the CFR, has neocon-ish Dennis Ross on the staff, funds Bush's criminal wars vote after vote.
    • gropo, on 01/10/2008, -1/+2Having people of opposing ideological bents on one's staff is admirable. Means he doesn't just want to hear the voice in his own head.

      How many liberals do you think McCain, Huckabee or Romney have on theirs?
      • imperium2000, on 01/10/2008, -0/+3Uhhh...McCain has Liebermann...hahahaha...sorry, had to give it a shot...
      • gropo, on 01/10/2008, -0/+3Hah, nice try ;D
  • grinndaddy, on 01/10/2008, -20/+15I suggest you go live in a truly fascist nation for a while.
    • yellowcakewalk, on 01/10/2008, -7/+17Don't have to go anywhere. It's coming here, day by day. Check out HR 1955 and S.1959 the "Thought Crimes Act of 2007".
      • chaosium, on 01/10/2008, -5/+4"Don't have to go anywhere. It's coming here, day by day."

        You all lack perspective.
        • Thuktun, on 01/10/2008, -1/+6A difference in severity does not invalidate the application of the term.
        • chaosium, on 01/10/2008, -3/+2So does that mean it's perfectly accurate when I call a Rontopian/Randian civilization "hell on earth"? Because for some people, it would be easy to see it as such.

          Again, severity leads the comparison to be less accurate.
        • ZZeke, on 01/11/2008, -0/+3You lack foresight, and obviously haven't paid much attention to history, either.
          You would have to be deliberately blind or too young to not recognize the progression of things here in the US for what they are. Either that, or you just fully believe that America should be the leader in some sort of Global Empire...which leads us back to what I said about paying attention to history.
    • geddon, on 01/10/2008, -7/+3You mean to tell me there is ANOTHER country completely owned by multi-national Corporations? I thought the U.S. was already manufacturing control everywhere else.
      • chaosium, on 01/10/2008, -3/+3"You mean to tell me there is ANOTHER country completely owned by multi-national Corporations?"

        Free Market.
        • ChaosMotor, on 01/10/2008, -0/+1A Free Market ISN'T controlled by corporations.
        • ZZeke, on 01/11/2008, -0/+1We do have a free market...As long as you've got enough money to buy off the government, you're basically free to do whatever you want, and if you get caught screwing up, just make sure you have enough money to buy yourself out of trouble. Survival of the fittest at it's best. What could be more free than that?
    • evilunleashed, on 01/10/2008, -5/+4Spoken like true automaton. Just like the people who told those of us who were opposed to the Iraq war in the beginning that we should just go live in Iraq, as if that is the solution. To remove your opposition doesn't make you right, it makes you exactly what this article is referring to, and you prove its point.
    • spyd3rweb, on 01/10/2008, -5/+6Looks like fascism, smells like fascism, tastes like fascism... might as well call it was it is.
      • imperium2000, on 01/10/2008, -3/+5Define fascism...and not your made up version.
        • Waiting2awake, on 01/10/2008, -4/+6Melding of corporate and governmental powers. Or as was suggested by Mussolini's - a better name would be corporatism.
          • chaosium, on 01/10/2008, -5/+6As opposed to the Libertarians who want the Corporations to BE the government.
          • texpundit, on 01/10/2008, -3/+3God damn, I hate people who don't know the truth about corporations and the free market.

            Corporations can NOT exist without government legislation (interference). "Corporation" is a designation under business regulations. If those regulations were repealed (as it would be under a libertarian free market), corporations (and thus their shareholders, boards of directors and corporate officers) would no longer enjoy the legal protections and lobbying power that they now enjoy.

            Also, under a libertarian free market, there would also be no subsidies or government contracts for huge companies to leech off of...which would mean no pork spending in Congress and an end to destructive corporate lobbying that is rife in government. As it sits, corporations practically write the law that governs their businesses by essentially buying the votes of politicians and bureaucrats. If there were no regulations, what would there be to buy?

            The bottom line is: with less government interference in the markets, "corporations" (which could not exist as a legal entity under a libertarian free market) would have FAR LESS power than they do now.

            The only things government should be involved in as far as businesses are: 1) overseeing contract disputes, 2) protecting the consumer against fraud by prosecuting the guilty parties, and 3) protecting the public from physical harm from companies (i.e. pollution of the public commons of property...land, air, water, etc.). Most of that can be handled by litigation against the offending companies by individuals and groups that have been harmed through fraud or direct pollution of the commons.

            Now...tell me how that = corporations BEing the government.
          • chaosium, on 01/10/2008, -3/+2"The only things government should be involved in as far as businesses are: 1) overseeing contract disputes, 2) protecting the consumer against fraud by prosecuting the guilty parties, and 3) protecting the public from physical harm from companies (i.e. pollution of the public commons of property...land, air, water, etc.). Most of that can be handled by litigation against the offending companies by individuals and groups that have been harmed through fraud or direct pollution of the commons"

            All of those functions are so crippled as to be useless in the "free market"
        • imperium2000, on 01/10/2008, -2/+6Then use Corporatism and not try to redefine Fascism. Everyone knows that corporatism is endemic in the US(although not as rampant as many of you claim) but trying to repackage corporatism as 'fascism' is just dishonest. Sheeesh...

          fas·cism /ˈfæʃɪzəm/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[fash-iz-uhm] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
          –noun
          1. (sometimes initial capital letter) a governmental system led by a dictator having complete power, forcibly suppressing opposition and criticism, regimenting all industry, commerce, etc., and emphasizing an aggressive nationalism and often racism.
          2. (sometimes initial capital letter) the philosophy, principles, or methods of fascism.
          3. (initial capital letter) a fascist movement, esp. the one established by Mussolini in Italy 1922–43.
          • texpundit, on 01/10/2008, -2/+3"Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the merger of state and corporate power." -- Benito Mussolini
    • venicerocco, on 01/10/2008, -3/+5Exactly. I'm all for progress and righting the wrongs, but this kind of hyperbole (i.e. "we living in a fascist state) is absurd. These people need to do a Google Video search of "North Korea" and get watching.
      • Thuktun, on 01/10/2008, -2/+3Communism != Fascism
      • Waiting2awake, on 01/10/2008, -2/+3and those in North Korea aren't either because they can go and see the old USSR, and the USSR wasn't because it wasn't like.....

        But it doesn't matter to the Koreans that there was a worst country out there, all that matters to them is what is happening to their country and how it effects them. I would suggest those that keep stating these claims that "it isn't this, because it isn't THAT bad" should use ask themselves what line does it have to go beyond before you decide that it is?

        I would have bet you ten years ago the line would be well before torturing and secret prisons and illegal wars.... But that has become "not that bad". That alone should be enough to wake most up to that fallacy, but apparently not.
        • venicerocco, on 01/10/2008, -0/+3It's bad. But fascism it isn't. All I want is a little perspective, that's all.
          • chaosium, on 01/10/2008, -0/+2Hallelujah. I'm not in any ways sticking up for our administration when I say that it's not helping to call it Fascism. Saying it is LIKE and VERGING TOWARDS Fascism is far more useful and persuasive.
    • wrenchone, on 01/10/2008, -4/+5I have no idea why you are being dugg down. 90% of people digging this story have no idea what they're talking about. Furthermore, I have no idea how this sensationalist crap made it to the front page of Digg.
  • killakan, on 01/10/2008, -6/+14"Mind Control Techniques, Covert Hypnosis, and Persuasion
    unlocking the mysteries behind brainwashing, conscious control, and body language"

    Buried after considering the source.
    • kevinmotel, on 01/10/2008, -1/+4don't forget to check out the story on UFOs!
    • brjohnson789, on 01/10/2008, -1/+3And your comment gets buried because you are ignorant of history. Or you were born yesterday. Either way apparently you are not aware of the numerous mind control techniques the US government has employed itself, and that is documented in the Congressional record for godsakes.
      • imperium2000, on 01/10/2008, -1/+2How many of them worked?
        When was the last time, the "government" had such a project?
        • brjohnson789, on 01/10/2008, -0/+3Check out the Congressional Record; there were 'successes' as far as I understand, because the guy who testified about it recommended it move forward. As for the last time, officially they stopped sometime in the 70s, but if there programs going on now, it would not be the first time someone in the gov't did something they weren't supposed to. SInce mind control is obviously a pretty potent weapon I am sure there are still some tests/ activities going on.
        • evilunleashed, on 01/10/2008, -0/+3Such clandestine operations are going on at all times by our government and their agencies, using the men and women of the armed forces as unwitting case studies. The findings are then used for indoctrination of future men and women of the armed services. How do you think the brainwashing methods they use today were developed? Sleep deprivation, psychological harassment, group social pressure, and repetition are just a few tactics used by groups to brainwash and control their henchmen, from military groups to religious cults. All of these tactics listed work, and all are used to this very day in just about every military training program in the world. You can play semantics games and ask for everyone to justify every opinion or provide proof for every statement, but it won't change your mind. You've buried you head in the sand and will accept nothing more than the granules you see, no definitions of fascism or examples of clandestine military experiments in brainwashing and mind control will convince you, so why bother? Bury the story and move on.
          • BOFH2, on 01/11/2008, -1/+2you like the word semantics don't you? People ask for proof when it seems as if people are creating opinions based on what is popular on social sites instead of doing what you you yourself ask of others and research and develop their own opinions.
          • evilunleashed, on 01/11/2008, -1/+3I like using words that fittingly describe the idea I'm trying to convey. And fascism accurately describes the extreme right-leaning shift of the government we are faced with. I do not draw this opinion from any social site, and I don't see how the idea is popular that the USA is a fascist state. As you can see from this thread alone, there is more opposition to the idea than acceptance. I didn't need to research things to draw this opinion. My understanding of history, particularly the rise and reign of fascism, is where this opinion came from. I thought America was heading towards fascism before digg existed, because of what I saw our government doing, not because of some blog posting or any social bandwagon. I'm actually shocked more people are beginning to see it.
        • ChaosMotor, on 01/10/2008, -0/+2Operation MOCKINGBIRD - are you aware that the CIA has operatives trained in propaganda stationed in both Fox News headquarters and CNN headquarters? Or that the CIA / NSA receive a copy of all the internet traffic that passes through AT&T's SanFran peering point?
    • geddon, on 01/10/2008, -1/+2No doubt, man. There is no such thing as Psy-Ops, or Covert-Ops, or dishonest politicians who support Corporate profiteering. I wish all these Liberals would STFU so that we can get on with privatizing the elections!
  • Zecchetti, on 01/10/2008, -11/+6If Ron Paul loses the coming election I will lose all faith in democracy
    • 1jaxstate1, on 01/10/2008, -3/+12IF he lose? Sorry dear chap, he doesn't stand a chance.
    • OC73, on 01/10/2008, -2/+4LMAO @ "IF".
    • cybrguy, on 01/10/2008, -2/+4By what we have seen so far this is true. I hope things change, but I'm not too optomistic.
    • chaosium, on 01/10/2008, -2/+4Where the hell have you been the last two weeks?
    • honus, on 01/10/2008, -3/+6You'll lose faith in democracy because the populace speaks and votes for a leader of their choosing? No, you're losing faith in the populace, the actual democracy is functional as far as the election goes. What else would you do to preserve democracy? Pick our leader yourself?
      • Waiting2awake, on 01/10/2008, -0/+2Good point. +1
      • ChaosMotor, on 01/10/2008, -1/+2With all the evidence of election fraud in America both historical and current, not to mention the ongoing pointed ignorance of Ron Paul by the mainstream media that functions as most American's information source, can you really say that Ron Paul, if he loses, has lost "fair and square"? Our elections are controlled by private, for profit, financial interests like Diebold and the vote counting service (it always changes its name, forget what it's called currently). They are not fair, democratic, one-person one-vote elections!
        • honus, on 01/10/2008, -2/+2Fair? Nothing is fair. Politics isn't kindergarten. If anything the election is just a trumped up version of a free market society. It's pretty obvious that if you're not willing to bend the rules or flat out cheat (with enough wiggle room to CYA), you're going to lose.
          This isn't a surprise to anyone in politics; it shouldn't come as a shock to the American populace. No one is more to blame than the people for the "unfairness" of the situation. We elect cheaters, we elect people who spend big and promise the world. It's all reinforcement.
          You can blame the mainstream media, but the fact is they're just watching their own interests. The internet isn't the be all end all of information yet, and even when it will be, there will be ways to exploit it. And the public's unwillingness to look outside the regular channels is yet another example of the laziness that facilitates the cheating and the ridiculous expense of these elections.
          So, will I say that Ron Paul, when he loses, lost fair and square? Yes. Because he knew the rules, and if he didn't, he should have.
          • ChaosMotor, on 01/11/2008, -0/+2So if you're not a ruthless, amoral, unethical cheater, you deserve everything you get for being stupid enough to have morals, ethics, and standards? You are a sick person.
  • Herostratus, on 01/10/2008, -14/+17 When, in the course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bonds which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the laws of nature and of nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

    We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. That to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed. That whenever any form of government becomes destructive to these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shown that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such government, and to provide new guards for their future security. --

    Such has been the patient sufferance of these colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former systems of government. The history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute tyranny over these states. To prove this, let facts be submitted to a candid world.

    He has refused his assent to laws, the most wholesome and necessary for the public good.

    He has forbidden his governors to pass laws of immediate and pressing importance, unless suspended in their operation till his assent should be obtained; and when so suspended, he has utterly neglected to attend to them.

    He has refused to pass other laws for the accommodation of large districts of people, unless those people would relinquish the right of representation in the legislature, a right inestimable to them and formidable to tyrants only.

    He has called together legislative bodies at places unusual, uncomfortable, and distant from the depository of their public records, for the sole purpose of fatiguing them into compliance with his measures.

    He has dissolved representative houses repeatedly, for opposing with manly firmness his invasions on the rights of the people.

    He has refused for a long time, after such dissolutions, to cause others to be elected; whereby the legislative powers, incapable of annihilation, have returned to the people at large for their exercise; the state remaining in the meantime exposed to all the dangers of invasion from without, and convulsions within.

    He has endeavored to prevent the population of these states; for that purpose obstructing the laws for naturalization of foreigners; refusing to pass others to encourage their migration hither, and raising the conditions of new appropriations of lands.

    He has obstructed the administration of justice, by refusing his assent to laws for establishing judiciary powers.

    He has made judges dependent on his will alone, for the tenure of their offices, and the amount and payment of their salaries.

    He has erected a multitude of new offices, and sent hither swarms of officers to harass our people, and eat out their substance.

    He has kept among us, in times of peace, standing armies without the consent of our legislature.

    He has affected to render the military independent of and superior to civil power.

    He has combined with others to subject us to a jurisdiction foreign to our constitution, and unacknowledged by our laws; giving his assent to their acts of pretended legislation:

    * For quartering large bodies of armed troops among us:
    * For protecting them, by mock trial, from punishment for any murders which they should commit on the inhabitants of these states:
    * For cutting off our trade with all parts of the world:
    * For imposing taxes on us without our consent:
    * For depriving us in many cases, of the benefits of trial by jury:
    * For transporting us beyond seas to be tried for pretended offenses:
    * For abolishing the free system of English laws in a neighboring province, establishing therein an arbitrary government, and enlarging its boundaries so as to render it at once an example and fit instrument for introducing the same absolute rule in these colonies:
    * For taking away our charters, abolishing our most valuable laws, and altering fundamentally the forms of our governments:
    * For suspending our own legislatures, and declaring themselves invested with power to legislate for us in all cases whatsoever.

    He has abdicated government here, by declaring us out of his protection and waging war against us.

    He has plundered our seas, ravaged our coasts, burned our towns, and destroyed the lives of our people.

    He is at this time transporting large armies of foreign mercenaries to complete the works of death, desolation and tyranny, already begun with circumstances of cruelty and perfidy scarcely paralleled in the most barbarous ages, and totally unworthy the head of a civilized nation.

    He has constrained our fellow citizens taken captive on the high seas to bear arms against their country, to become the executioners of their friends and brethren, or to fall themselves by their hands.

    He has excited domestic insurrections amongst us, and has endeavored to bring on the inhabitants of our frontiers, the merciless Indian savages, whose known rule of warfare, is undistinguished destruction of all ages, sexes and conditions.
    In Jefferson's draft there is a part on slavery here

    In every stage of these oppressions we have petitioned for redress in the most humble terms: our repeated petitions have been answered only by repeated injury. A prince, whose character is thus marked by every act which may define a tyrant, is unfit to be the ruler of a free people.

    Nor have we been wanting in attention to our British brethren. We have warned them from time to time of attempts by their legislature to extend an unwarrantable jurisdiction over us. We have reminded them of the circumstances of our emigration and settlement here. We have appealed to their native justice and magnanimity, and we have conjured them by the ties of our common kindred to disavow these usurpations, which, would inevitably interrupt our connections and correspondence. We must, therefore, acquiesce in the necessity, which denounces our separation, and hold them, as we hold the rest of mankind, enemies in war, in peace friends.

    We, therefore, the representatives of the United States of America, in General Congress, assembled, appealing to the Supreme Judge of the world for the rectitude of our intentions, do, in the name, and by the authority of the good people of these colonies, solemnly publish and declare, that these united colonies are, and of right ought to be free and independent states; that they are absolved from all allegiance to the British Crown, and that all political connection between them and the state of Great Britain, is and ought to be totally dissolved; and that as free and independent states, they have full power to levy war, conclude peace, contract alliances, establish commerce, and to do all other acts and things which independent states may of right do. And for the support of this declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.

    JOHN HANCOCK, President
    • OC73, on 01/10/2008, -12/+8Instead of having an upside American flag as your avatar, why not have something that represents you a little better, like a hammer and sickle?
      • Thuktun, on 01/10/2008, -1/+8Comparing him with the USSR because he quoted the United States Declaration of Independence? Nice non sequitur.
      • ChaosMotor, on 01/10/2008, -1/+3I am truly astonished that you would imply someone is COMMUNIST for quoting the founding document of our nation! Good Lord man, put down the Kool-Aid, turn off Fox News, and think about what you've said!
    • SteaminTmann, on 01/10/2008, -0/+7*sigh*
      Good effort, this is the Declaration Of Independence.... It was written by Thomas Jefferson, John Hancock was simply the first to sign it. (and made his signature HUGE as an insult to the King), not because he was the president, because he wasn't.

      And actually, the bill of rights might be more fitting..
      • syowr, on 01/10/2008, -2/+6That really depends on perspective. If you think your govt can't be repaired the Bill of Rights might be pertinent. However If you feel the cancer is too far gone already you need to reset the system by revolution before the bill of rights would be effective, and not just ignored. In that case you would need something in the spirit of the Declaration of Independence.
        • imperium2000, on 01/10/2008, -2/+4So...what exactly is this "revolution" you are talking about?
          What do you intend to do?

          Nice catchphrases but do you actually some sort of realistic plan or is it a nice word to throw around?
          • FyreGoddess, on 01/10/2008, -3/+4I've been wracking my brain on that very question and I think I've come up with an answer. By "revolution" they really mean talking in circles so they can feel like they've done something.
          • syowr, on 01/10/2008, -1/+2If you had read down to my other comments you would see that I'm not a US citizen. Your revolution is not something I can realistically instruct you on. However I would recommend looking up the history of the US and the founding fathers. They were pretty famous revolutionaries to the people, as well as infamous terrorists from the Kings point of view....
          • Herostratus, on 01/10/2008, -3/+4Fyregoddess you pretend to know who I am. Revelation, I am the Co-Organizer for the Florida Chapter of We Are Change. We actually take action and make change. I cannot go into details however I am currently doing research for a team working on Cheney's impeachment. These are not idle words. I mean business when I say that, and I am knowingly and willingly stirring the pot so to speak. Reminding the bottomfeeders from whence as a nation we came. If you want to continue playing the naysayer or the devils advocate or whatever other attention grubbing game you are playing know then this. That is all you are doing. Just playing a game. Because if you were really serious then you would not simply toss ad hominem about but rather make a valid point indicating a certain level of cognitive effort in order to validate said argument. But you don't. Stop playing, this is not a game, this is reality. Wake up and get active. Or STFU. Your choice.
    • syowr, on 01/10/2008, -2/+5Wow the fact that people are digging you down is just sad ...
      I'm not even from the States and I know that document is the Declaration of independence...

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Declara ...

      @OC73 you should go get an education perhaps if you don't know why there is a celebration on July 4th in the US...
      • bunit03057, on 01/10/2008, -5/+1Obviously it is the declaration. I'm digging him down for four reason. The upside down flag is incredibly disrespectful and gains him no credibility, the fact that he put "JOHN HANCOCK president," as if that had anything to do with it or is correct at all, instead of quoting a few important passages and the fact that the bills of rights is much more relevant.
        • Herostratus, on 01/10/2008, -1/+5Upside down flag is a sign of distress
          John Hancock just happened to get selected in the copy paste process, long text, hadn't noticed, sincere apologies
          Text is quoted in full as it is to draw parallels between the situation in the colonies and the one we currently face. If you are too lazy to read the whole document that is your problem. I am not your mommy and it is not my job to parse your text for you. Cut your own damn crusts off and grow up. A few snippets out of context do not have the same meaning or impact as the full text.
          You fail.
          • bunit03057, on 01/11/2008, -4/+1Thanks for the lesson!
            "The flag should never be displayed with the union down, except as a signal of dire distress in instances of extreme danger to life or property." http://www.presidentialelection.com/Shop_On_Line/f ...
            Are you about to be killed at you computer, no? Are pirates about to commandeer your house. No? Thought not. That is why it is disrespectful. Next time link to the document and you will not be buried.
            You fail.
          • Herostratus, on 01/11/2008, -1/+3The constitution is the one thats dying. Once she is gone so are we.
            DISTRESS
        • ZZeke, on 01/13/2008, -0/+1And you fail to see the urgency of the situation. I guess the evisceration of the constitution and the bill of rights isn't distressful enough for you. I guess the "unitary executive" model sounds good to you, "signing statements" and all. Who needs Habeus Corpus when we have "enemy combatants" to torture in secret gulags, right?
          When you're ready to take the blinders off and stop making excuses for the criminal acts commited by the neo-con element of our government, you might hang your flag upside-down, too.
          Either way, that's a sorry-ass reason to digg down the Declaration of Independence. No, I'm not about to be killed at my computer, but my emails and internet history are being tracked and traced - as are yours. No, pirates are not about to commandeer my house - but if I build a new steps leading up to my front door, the eye in the sky takes a picture, relays it to the tax department, and sends me an increased tax bill - because the "pirates" have already made it clear that my land is not truly mine, I'm just leasing it from them - and if some fatcat developer sees my land as part of his tax-generating development, it can be legally stripped from me - money in the government's coffers trumps individual liberties, says the "pirate" supreme court. You can rationalize that and call it whatever you want, but it's far from the "free" country or forefathers imagined. Everywhere you look, there's less freedom and more restrictions, and the government just grows fatter and fatter all the while. Keep your head in the sand, and keep telling yourself and everyone else that there's nothing to see here - that's what's become of the "American Way".
    • cybrguy, on 01/10/2008, -2/+6An upside down flag is appropriate for what his post represents. There are some parodies between bush and references to what John Hancock stated with this declaration.
    • theutopian, on 01/10/2008, -2/+4You know, the declaration of indepence predates our current form of government by about 20 years and does not have any legal force or government behind it. Your point would be better made if you posted the entire constitution. Many people fail to realize that our first experiment with democracy, the articles of confederation failed miserably. The second attempt isn't going so well either. I'm starting to believe that we would have been better off as a British colony and we would have ended up like Canada or Australia. We'd have a far more functional governmental system while still being an independent nation.
      • Herostratus, on 01/10/2008, -2/+2Utopia doesn't exist.
        Freedom did. Utopians killed freedom. I kill utopia. Freedom returns.
        You fail.
        • ChaosMotor, on 01/10/2008, -0/+4We can rebuild Utopia. We have the technology. We can make Utopia better than it was. Better...stronger...freer.
    • ZZeke, on 01/11/2008, -0/+4How the f*ck does the Declaration of Independence wind up with a negative digg count?
      Where the f*ck am I?
      To all those who would digg down the DoI - you're all traitorous scum, bottom-feeding trogolodite turncoats! You should be cast from this great land, left to suffer the consequences of your own self-imposed ignorance, shunned by all decent and humble civilizations for the rest of your mortal lives. Shame on you all - you drink from the fountains of freedom established by honorable men and women who suffered and sacrificed every thing dear to them so that YOU could be free - and all you have to offer in return is a knife in the back? I am thoroughly disgusted, as would be our forefathers, and rightly so.

  • Waiting2awake, on 01/10/2008, -3/+6 There comes a time, in every hierarchical system, where the proceeds of work are increasingly unfairly divided. Where the system is directed not by what is good for the all, but for the few. When this happens, the only solution is war. Whether that be economic or physical. No system gives back control, once it has it, unless it is forcefully removed.

    America - you have a lot of fighting to do to even get back to where you were in 2001. Maybe Americans can pull it off - but I think I'll wait until this election and the peoples response to it.
  • OC73, on 01/10/2008, -10/+11You're all free to go. There's certainly no shortage of people willing to take your place.
    • Thuktun, on 01/10/2008, -1/+5I think you should go, after you weren't able to recognize the Declaration of Independence when it was quoted.
    • dbzer0, on 01/10/2008, -0/+3***** man, I'm not coming to the United States of Fascism in a 100 years. Not even for a visit...
    • ChaosMotor, on 01/10/2008, -1/+3Only a coward abandons his nation when it is in distress. A true patriot stays and fights, for himself, his family, his friends, his people, and his nation.

      YOU can go, traitor. I will stay and fight for God and Country, Truth and Justice. Freedom, and Liberty.
  • detree, on 01/10/2008, -3/+4Judging how Americans voted in the New Hampshire primary, the only people to blame for their problems are the American people themselves.
    • ChaosMotor, on 01/10/2008, -0/+3Elections are fixed, especially when you 'trust' Diebold to 'run' them and 'count' the 'votes'.
  • trenchcoat, on 01/10/2008, -6/+2So does this mean everything will be hunk dory to you folks once Obama or Ron Paul will be elected?
    • chaosium, on 01/10/2008, -1/+4"Obama or Ron Paul"

      What the heck, those politicians are nothing alike.
    • ZZeke, on 01/11/2008, -0/+1For once, I agree with chaosium.
      "Kucinich or Ron Paul" would have made more sense, in some respects...
  • JMellissa, on 01/10/2008, -1/+1Yup, that's pretty much what we've got. Now more than ever!
  • TehROFFLES, on 01/10/2008, -5/+7He had me until he compared the Writer's Strike to past labor strikes.....they're not really laborers.....more like pissed off white-collared money-grubbers.
    • ChaosMotor, on 01/10/2008, -0/+1Why do the media companies have more of a right to the products of their LABOR than the actual LABORERS do?
  • catalysis, on 01/10/2008, -9/+1When has the world admired America? This is just a place people came when they were no longer wanted in their home countries.
  • venicerocco, on 01/10/2008, -7/+11Just because there are serious socio-political problems in this country does not mean we are "LIVING IN A FASCIST STATE" - Germany under Hitler, Italy under Mussolini obviously were. It's rather insulting to those who actually do live under these conditions (North Korea for example) to equate the United States with them. Not just insulting, but really ***** stupid.
    • sotloo, on 01/10/2008, -6/+5Well fascism looks different every time it raises its ugly head who says it must manifest the same way every time. It’s not always going to look or feel like fascism of the past. Today fascism has a web site; it’s made of stainless steel and is accessible 24/365 but it’s still fascism even if you give it nice names and a shiny appearance.
      • imperium2000, on 01/10/2008, -2/+7Then you need to give me a definition of fascism and how that definition relates to the current state of the country.

        I hate how Fascism is being used as a retarded label such as "Socialist", "Neocon" or "Secular Progressive" without any proper perspective or some vague definition.
        • ChaosMotor, on 01/10/2008, -2/+1How about doubleplus notgood? Do you prefer newspeak to describe our situation?
    • Thuktun, on 01/10/2008, -4/+2No, North Korea is not fascist. Examine the definition of fascism, please.
      • imperium2000, on 01/10/2008, -1/+3Seems to be a fascist state to me.

        fas·cism /ˈfæʃɪzəm/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[fash-iz-uhm] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
        –noun
        1. (sometimes initial capital letter) a governmental system led by a dictator having complete power, forcibly suppressing opposition and criticism, regimenting all industry, commerce, etc., and emphasizing an aggressive nationalism and often racism.
        2. (sometimes initial capital letter) the philosophy, principles, or methods of fascism.
        3. (initial capital letter) a fascist movement, esp. the one established by Mussolini in Italy 1922–43.
    • brjohnson789, on 01/10/2008, -5/+4Jeez, you really have no clue what you're writing about do you. The people in Germany and Italy did NOT walk around in the 30s talking about how obvious it was they were in a fascist state, and how cool it was. They thought things might be 'tough', but the steps the gov't were taking were necessary and ok. Of course there were a few people that thought otherwise, and they left the country. Well check out how many people in the US have moved to Canada for example because they're sick of what's going on here. Just because we're not starving like the North Koreans does not mean our gov't is capable of the same oppression, and it does not mean we will not end up in the same boat eventually. The key is to recognize what is going on, where we are going, and to call it by its proper name. I'll call you by your proper name: ignorant.
  • Caeili, on 01/10/2008, -7/+8If the US really was a "Fascist state" the author of this article would have his balls ripped of.

    When you Diggers talk about US=NAZI Germany people stop listing to you and start laughing at you. It's pretty sad that you people call Bush a "Fear Mongerer (sp?)" then turn right around and push crap like this to front page.

    Now digg me down, you you little dopes.
    • brjohnson789, on 01/10/2008, -5/+3I'll digg you down because you do not understand the difference between Bush's fearmongering and articles like this. Bush is part of the gov't and he uses fear to further his agenda. Articles like this might be 'scary' and it is to push an 'agenda', but it is not an 'elected' official. This article and discussions about our gov't and its structure should be welcome in an open society; the fact that people like you want to laugh at this article show how far along towards fascism our country is.
    • ChaosMotor, on 01/10/2008, -1/+1"Real World Fascism" by DavidTC (Courtesy Slashdot)
      Have fun in your little made-up universe where the government comes to round you up and you manage to fight it off.

      In the real world, fascism is when the corporations and governments work as a single entity, and you can wander around with your ***** gun all you want. In fact, you’ll have to wander around, because the government/corporations took your house and your car, and no one will hire you.

      At which point you’ll be arrested, not as some big anti-government hero by jackboot thugs, but for stealing bread to live on, by a perfectly normal cop who’s just doing his job, a job that absolutely no one except you disagrees with, so when you shoot and kill him you’re getting the electric chair and no one thinks you’re a hero at all.

      There are different types of totalitarian governments, and assuming a fascist one operates like a communist one is faulty. Fascist governments don’t put troops in the streets…they work with corporations to make sure ‘the wrong sort of people’ do not have any economic power, and do not have anywhere to peddle their ideas.

      Modern fascist states don’t even bother to kill those people, and pretending they’re going to show up in some stormtrooper outfit and start a gun battle with you is insane. They’ll show up with a court order to evict you from your home because you failed to pay your mortgage, because pressure came from the top at your company to let you go. Or they’ll just sue you and ruin your finances.

      America is not a bunch of tiny castles where, as long as you can hold off the invading armies, you will be fine. The idea that that is how the world works is astonishingly naive. Almost all the population of America lives in housing they do not fully own, they get food from places they do not control like the supermarket, they require operating in society for money to obtain said food and shelter, a society where economics are controlled by some very large players that can crush them like bugs.

      And a fascist state isn’t going to ‘assume control’, you asshat. There’s not going to some insane coup, there’s a going to be a slow change, which has, in fact, already happened, or have you not looked at the telecom immunity stuff? That’s classic fascism. The government breaks the law, the government gets private companies to break the law, the government gives said companies huge amounts of cash, the government attempts to make such behavior legal retroactively. We’ve got government officials and AT&T officers leaping back and forth between each other in an incestuous loop. Your government spying on you, sponsored by AT&T. It’s not ‘totalitarian’ yet, as evidenced by the fact Democrats managed to stop the immunity, but it is fascism, at least the start of it. (And the same thing’s happened with Blackwater.)

      Oh, and before you start ranting about gun control some more, be forewarned I’m against it. I’m just not stupid enough to think that the US government being slowly corrupted by business is something that can be fought off with gunpowder. Guns are useful to deter crime and to deter invasion. They aren’t useful against a corrupt government in any meaningful way.
  • DarkReign16, on 01/10/2008, -5/+5Corporatism = fascism
    • Thuktun, on 01/10/2008, -1/+2Corporatism + Nationalism + Statism = Fascism. The definition's fuzzy, but usually involves those last two in significant amounts. Bush has definitely ramped those two up.
    • geddon, on 01/10/2008, -0/+4No need to argue about Fascism. Only the blind could fail to see we're living in a Corporatocracy.
  • rhinocero, on 01/10/2008, -4/+5No modern politician or country can legitimately be called fascist. Fascism is very heavily influenced by opposition to Marxism, which simply doesn't exist nowadays.

    My other, more specific objection to this article is that the tendencies it sees are really only present in part of one party. Maybe a quarter of the country feels this way. There's a large number of people, even in President Bush's administration, who are not fascists even by modern standards. There's plenty in the white house who are, but even there, it's not everyone.
    • brjohnson789, on 01/10/2008, -1/+2You are just plain old wrong about Fascism having to be opposed to Marxism; opposition to Marxism was used by early fascist states this century but that is not a central tenent to having a fascist society. You can have an even semi-socialist fascist gov't in place, if the businesses are 'private' but are so regulated and people's choices and incomes are limited by the gov't in effect its a socialist state.

      Also, your claim that only some of the Republicans 'want' fascism is so way off, its scary. There are no plans by any of the Democratic presidential contenders to significantly roll back most of the things discussed in the article, they will just 'keep on keepin on'.
  • Spoonfedsbuddy, on 01/10/2008, -0/+7"The first, fourth, sixth, ninth and tenth amendments in the Bill of Rights have all be severely compromised. "

    Why did they not bother to list the 2nd Amendment as having been eroded? If the author and other like-minded individuals truly feel that our nation is becoming a fascist regime, then maybe they should consider arming themselves so when the time comes to do something about it they can. My guess is that the vast majority of them are a bunch of inneffectual crybabies who don't have the balls to do anything but complain.
  • infocyde, on 01/10/2008, -2/+6Good point OC73. If you don't like the U.S., bail. That being said, I do think oligarchical business practices are laying the foundations of fascism in America. It hasn't gotten so far along that it can't be stopped if the American public really put their foot down, but lets face it, for all the liberal talk about how bad it is here, Americans, even thought their standard of living is dropping ever so slightly each year, are basically fat and happy. It is hard to motivate a populous into a real grass roots movement for change when everybody has access to TV, playstations, bongs, and fast food. It is kind of the frog in the boiling pot story with us. That being said America is still the land of opportunity and if you are motivated you can still go far in this country. I do feel it is time to start becoming vigilant though and to pay attention to what is going (everyone will agree with me on that point)

    From Wing Commander IV, "The Price of Freedom is Eternal Vigilance"
    • imperium2000, on 01/10/2008, -0/+5Ummm...fixed it for you.

      "The Price of Freedom is Eternal Vigilance"
      -Thomas Jefferson
  • sotloo, on 01/10/2008, -3/+3My friend don’t you know there is hope on the horizon (according to Obama supporters) he’s gonna “ Change” things with his message of “Hope”. I can see it now, Obama facing off against the same power elite that put bullets in the backs of the heads of those that threaten their strangle hold on power. Raising one hand toward the east while lowering the other toward the earth he says to them “I am Obama the great!!! surrender in the name of “Hope” and “Change” or face my wrath!!!”. Then the power elite fold and we all live happily ever after.
  • ramiro, on 01/10/2008, -4/+8Anti-American BS = BURIED.

    Fascist state? If at least you were talking about FDR's government, the one American presidente that was actually spoken of well by Mussolini...

    Why don't you try living in a "non-fascist state" such as Cuba, North Korea, Iran, Libya and Russia and then come back (if you can manage to get free internet access from there) ?
    • Thuktun, on 01/10/2008, -3/+4Fascism doesn't mean "somewhere where I wouldn't want to live". Get your definition straight.

      Pointing out things that push us away from our Constitutional Democracy and our nation's heritage is hardly "anti-American".
      • ZZeke, on 01/11/2008, -1/+2ramiro's been brainwashed by Fox news, et al to believe that discontent with your government means you don't love your country.
    • cybrguy, on 01/10/2008, -2/+4Fascist laws and government components are not yet pervasive in America. But they are present and expanding at an alarming rate. Hence articles like this one. Its not anti-American, its anti government, I feel sorry for any American who sees all the verbal and written attacks on our government as an attack against themselves or Americans as a whole.
      • BOFH2, on 01/10/2008, -2/+3I agree with you mostly, however throwing around words as much as fascist, fascism and fascist state you can drive people away from your cause. Also, the rhetoric of "WE NEED TO FIX THIS NOW!" has been overused so much that people view it with disdain. Do I think that all Americans are fascists, no, do I think we are headed that way, only if a specified set of events happen but it is really unlikely.
  • BOFH2, on 01/10/2008, -2/+5Please define facism and fascist state and then using real examples of how this is happening in the US.
    • evilunleashed, on 01/10/2008, -1/+2Are you looking for an actual exchange of ideas or just semantics games?
      The dictionary definition isn't going to help much. Three different dictionaries have three different, although similar, definitions.
      Here's how I see the USA as a fascist state(a conclusion I came to long before reading this article). Not by matching the dictionary definition with our current state of affairs, but by looking at those who were classified as fascists in history and comparing their philosophy and actions to those taking place by the people in power in this country today.
      Look at how the fascists of Germany and Italy set the stage for their seizure of power, and compare that to the current politicians in the USA.
      Look at the how those same people used their power after obtaining it, and compare that to the current politicians in the USA.
      Nothing I say (or type) will be enough. The justification of this position that you seek can only be found through your own due diligence.
      • BOFH2, on 01/11/2008, -1/+2I figured if people were going to throw around ideologies and state that we as a country are headed that way(not just the article) they would have done their homework. I do not believe that we are close to a fascist state. I do believe that you can find examples that point toward fascism if you take each one out of context. it is my opinion that it is ludicrous to overwork the subject of fascism at this time.
        • evilunleashed, on 01/11/2008, -1/+1From Wikipedia (not my favorite source, but the one previously posted from dictionary.com is inaccurate):Fascism is an authoritarian political ideology (generally tied to a mass movement) that considers individual and social interests subordinate to the interests of the state or party. Fascists seek to forge a type of national unity, usually based on (but not limited to) ethnic, cultural, racial, religious attributes. The key attribute is intolerance of others: other religions, languages, political views, economic systems, cultural practices, etc. Various scholars attribute different characteristics to fascism, but the following elements are usually seen as its integral parts: nationalism, statism, militarism, totalitarianism, anti-communism, corporatism, populism, collectivism, and opposition to political and economic liberalism.

          Now, considering we spend more money on our military than any other nation in the world and make it more of a priority in spending than any other need of the people, including education (obviously) and health care (militarism), take a look at the xenophobic behavior and "ultra-patriotism" exhibited by people's bumper stickers alone, let alone the rhetoric people spew forth verbally (nationalism), considering the corporate control of the government through lobbyists and representatives of corporate interest that have worked their way into the government, Vice President Cheney and Secretary of State Rice are both excellent examples there (corporatism), and of course the continual consideration of the sensibilities of the many over the few manifested from top to bottom in policies from the death penalty to FCC censorship policy (collectivism), I am certain that fascism is the correct term to describe our nation's direction.

          I understand that the term fascist is often used in an insulting manner and has evil connotations due to those associated with it in the past. I can understand your trepidation in using it to describe the country you live in and were taught from a young age to love unconditionally. I understand that you don't want to believe that "The Greatest Nation in the World" is this same evil. But our only hope to stop it is to accept what is happening and realize what we need to do. Shoving our heads in the sand and saying it doesn't exist will only serve to hand the country over to the fascists willingly.
  • arbouler, on 01/10/2008, -1/+2for every smart voters, there's twice as many idiot ones. same situation in congress...
  • donkeySays, on 01/10/2008, -2/+2http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporatocracy
  • vanza001, on 01/10/2008, -2/+3This is actually a very valid point. We all still look around and see the same ol' america... but the actions being taken by those in control mirror actions taken by those who did create fascist countries out of democracies. Read a book called "The End of American: A letter of warning to a young patriot." by Naomi Wolf.
  • sotloo, on 01/10/2008, -5/+3Look everyone knows that the so called “Declaration Of Independence” is nothing more than propaganda from of these “freedom and democracy types”. Have some respect for King Bush! He keeps is safe (by taking away our basic rights) and free (by free I mean safe from terror) So grow up and accept the way things are!!!! It’s a dog eat dog world out there and if America wants to live free we need to learn to eat dog!!!!!!
    • imperium2000, on 01/10/2008, -0/+4Ummm...the Declaration of Independence is a historical document. It has no legal basis in the US.
      That would be the Constitution and Bill of Rights.
    • cybrguy, on 01/10/2008, -1/+1Internet sarcasm?
  • BadseedJR, on 01/10/2008, -2/+1Ah, the illusion of freedom.
  • cybrguy, on 01/10/2008, -1/+1Good article but I would disagree on a few points. Here is a list from the article and my comments.

    The steps that a fascist state employs to come to power:

    * Powerful and Continuing Nationalism - "not supporting the war is unpatriotic" "not supporting the government is unpatriotic" - the opposite is true. A Patriot is one who goes against the establishment.
    * Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights -waterboarding, denying rights by labeling individuals as terrorists
    * Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause
    * Supremacy of the Military - I would say our military is supremely funded. But I would at least give our military credit for being far less corrupt than the politicians.
    * Rampant Sexism - un-neccessary component, You could say this of some Asian or African countries. Saying it of America is a stretch.
    * Controlled Mass Media - Easily seen, Fox is a shining example
    * Obsession with National Security - Obsessed to the point of offering up liberties for security.
    * Religion and Government are Intertwined - Un-neccessary, undirectly related. Religion offers Justification to some, and that Justification can just as easily come from other places. Infact religion can be the scapegoat -WW2 - hitler
    * Corporate Power is Protected As seen by subsidies and legal protections for big business
    * Labor Power is Suppressed
    * Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts - George bush, " Its Just a God Damned piece of paper" -reffering to the constitution Also see O'Reilly
    * Obsession with Crime and Punishment - we have more people in jail than any other nation, if we have crime we instantly want to punish the person instead of adreessing the root causes of the crime.
    * Rampant Cronyism and Corruption - Apparent on many levels
    * Fraudulent Elections” - Likely happening, even trying to prove it could mean breaking the laws protecting the election machine manufacturers.
  • PawnsOfJoshua, on 01/10/2008, -1/+3Please don't confuse a fascist state with an imperialistic, money-worshiping society of degenerate pansies who can blow a lot of hot hair but lack the fortitude and conviction to make the sacrifices necessary to affect the changes in the policies about which they so frequently complain. All our government does is try to facilitate the continuation of our American lifestyle, as per the will of the American populous. They are not always in the right by doing so, but it is impossible to obtain the resources required to perpetuate the standard of living we have come to enjoy and demand without engaging in some less than scrupulous activities.

    When we revolted against England over 200 years ago, people believed in an idea and were willing to die for it. So until I see people who are actually martyring themselves to prevent the spread of the sold called fascist regime, please spare me your bantering.

  • jlhoben, on 01/14/2008, -0/+1Its so funny to see people defending America's fascist shift on the basis of patriotism when a base appeal to patriotism and xenophobic nationalism is one of the key plays in the Fascist book ("Ein Volk, ein Reich, ein Führer!"). I didn't know democracy was about keeping your head down and shutting up when there was rampant injustice and liberty was threatened. Guess that one went right over my Ed.
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