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- Acewrap, on 12/11/2007, -51/+237I don't understand the phrase "when will the Right turn on the troops", didn't they already turn on them by sending them in to an illegal, immoral war in Iraq?
Oh, that's right... They wear flag lapel pins so that's ok. - sedek89, on 12/11/2007, -33/+113this won't change a thing. Bush doesn't care about the soldiers, and their opinion will be manipulated sooner rather than later
- damonic, on 12/11/2007, -12/+71The problem is that the people that profit from war, do not value peace.
- Habemus, on 12/11/2007, -14/+59Buried -- inaccurate. The headline is "the troops hate Bush" but the poll was (only partly) of FAMILIES stateside who have a relative in the Armed Services. It was NOT a poll of the SOLDIERS themselves, every single one of whom volunteered for their service, and guess what? They are their own selves. They are not children -- they are adults with their own opinions even if their mommy back home suffers from BDS.
Totally inaccurate headline. I would expect nothing less from the severely deranged and biased "firedoglake." The LA Times headline is much more accurate.
Buried. - bjornski, on 12/11/2007, -5/+38Maybe you're willing to take their place?
- blitzer, on 12/11/2007, -19/+47Soldiers are sent to war to die. And then not cared for when they get home.
Pretty horrific gig if you ask me... - UltraPenguinX, on 12/11/2007, -25/+48BREAKING: The sky is blue
- armyabn1, on 12/11/2007, -4/+25You are obviously not in the military nor have you ever been. Most soldiers are NOT grunts - there is usually a 10 to 1 ratio of support troops to ground pounders.
Don't make up stupid, inaccurate stuff just so you have something to say on here and feel important. - bjornski, on 12/11/2007, -10/+27Neither does this administration.
Protecting profits and our "way of life" (read: dependence on oil) is NOT their purpose. - phnx0221, on 12/11/2007, -10/+27"War is a quarrel between two thieves too cowardly to fight their own battle; therefore they take boys from one village and another village; stick them into uniforms, equip them with guns, and let them loose like wild beasts against each other." - Emma Goldman: Patriotism, A Menace to Liberty
So these soldiers shouldn't be listened to because they're "pansies"?
What exactly does that mean? Should I assume that by pansy, you mean that they don't have the courage to "man up" and go out there like the rest of the boys? Because they're all brothers, they went through everything together, they should stick together through the end? Regardless as to whether or not this is right, just, or humane, for them, or their "enemies"?
The soldiers have been told to hate their enemy, to be suspicious of their enemy, to fight their enemy, and die for the cause of freedom. We're told to be "patriotic", and to "support the troops.". And they, and we, should just keep quiet when the questions start floating around as to what exactly it is that we're doing there, and why should these soldiers, or anyone else, have to die for it? - inactive, on 12/11/2007, -12/+28Given the current consensus for use of the term "hate", I think the title was a bit misleading.
I have no doubt that the troops in Iraq have realized the quagmire they have been thrust into and are certainly ready to come home and quit policing/empire building for King George Bush and his neocon cronies. (One could easily fact check that statement with the number of troops who are supporting Ron Paul).
Our troops are not expendable pawns in a global chess game. They are men and women with families and friends here who deserve to live their lives with all of their limbs and faculties intact. The fact that ***** like Bill Kristol and Sean Hannity want to throw them into a meat grinder to further an agenda that is not only unConstitutional but also unAmerican should cause one or two MILLION Americans to realize that these soldiers are people with family, friends, kids, etc. They aren't fodder to be thrown away for some ***** agenda.
If you're willing to talk ***** and toss these lives away for your petulant agenda, step up and put your money where your mouth is! Nobody is stopping you ***** from joining the military that you are so happy to throw around the world like it's your own personal sporting team. ***** or get off the ***** pot! - JimintheOC, on 12/11/2007, -7/+21Hell no that bitch hasn't the guts.
- inactive, on 12/11/2007, -10/+24Miss Leading Headline!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! This article is about a survey of troops families not troops themselves also they are not even sourced.
Bury this unless you are among the hate spwening truth burying sheep. - empraptor, on 12/11/2007, -3/+16I, for one, support freedom of speech - regardless of how dumb it makes the speaker sound.
For example...
Show me a neocon that gives a damn about our troops! They take the idiotic route and say... 'I support them by keeping them in the line of fire' get ***** real! I guess your support only occurs when YOU agree with what they do! Neocons support our troops as much as they support freedom of spech. They only support it as long as THEY agree with it.
Now wasn't that a nice load of *****? I support your freedom to shovel that kind of crap into Digg. I also support my freedom to shovel that kind of ***** right back at you.
And I do think it's in the average soldier's interest to be back home rather than increase risk of them being killed or committing suicide later on in their life.
But that is not why I'm opposed to the war. The war is wrong. It was based on a lie, unnecessarily hasty in making, and it's a costly mess that has turned Iraq into a crappier place. The administration should have stepped back from whatever ideology it adheres to and it should have at that moment faced reality. We live in an objective reality in which Iraq has become a worse place to live. Talk about bright shining future for Iraq that was promised for 4 years and never delivered all you want - that does not change the objective reality one bit. - Terr01, on 12/11/2007, -5/+18Well, that's not really who we're fighting, unfortunately. It's primarily about local politics and domestic power struggles over land and influence rather than small cells of international nutters with grudges.
- l00s3r, on 12/11/2007, -16/+28When I was in the Army I thought the government wanted to get me killed for no reason.
- FTLJohnson, on 12/11/2007, -9/+20How did it feel to be a sheep back when you actually were in the majority of dumbasses that supported Bush? How did it feel to have the whole country slowly start to realize around you that you and everyone who supports Bush like you are just flat out wrong? I mean, you probably even had a bunch of people close to you totally change their viewpoints and realize how mistaken they had been. I'm genuinely curious, see, because I only vote on principles, meaning that I voted for Harry Browne and Michael Badnarik... I knew BEFORE Bush was elected that he would be a disaster. I said it about Bush, Gonzales, Katherine Harris, Mel Martinez... Pretty much every leader elected by churchgoing morons who NEVER actually research who they are voting for. I've never voted for Bush, nor voted for a Democrat, so I'm really wondering what a herd member like you feels when you realize that the rest of your herd left you.
- inactive, on 12/11/2007, -6/+17Who gave you permission to think, soldier? Drop and give me 20!
- PShot07, on 12/11/2007, -3/+14This story is simply not true. I am currently enrolled in my University's AFROTC program and I have talked to quite a few troops who have been in Iraq. They claim the media is wrong and they still get thanked daily by native Iraqis for being there. Iraq is a better place according to those that have lived there over the past 10 decades. The troops I have talked to are happy for the Iraqi people and excited to go back (or go there for the first time) to help them. Also, despite what the press and/or democrats in congress say, the surge is working and America is winning (as if there was ever a doubt).
Go ahead and bury this comment made by a future soldier in the armed forces. You have to be closed minded to take words that have been manipulated by the press instead of those straight from the mouth. Why do you people want America to lose? Don't you have any patriotism at all? - mal1964, on 12/11/2007, -3/+13this is family poll not troops, yes I'm sure a mom wants her son home that her right. the poll used the word" disapprove" not hate, propaganda spam!
- sd2001, on 12/11/2007, -3/+12Like DS2600, I am an 8 year veteran and I can attest to the fact that the headline and article is a complete misleading fabrication. Buried.
- hadees, on 12/11/2007, -2/+11Um... actually the poll says military FAMILIES want out of Iraq.
*Nearly six out of every 10 military families disapprove of Bush's job performance and the way he has run the war.
*Among those families with soldiers, sailors and Marines who have served in Iraq or Afghanistan, 60% say that the war in Iraq was not worth the cost.
*Nearly seven in 10 favor a withdrawal within the coming year or "right away."
I guess that doesn't make as good a headline. I really hate this beat Bush at what ever cost mentality. It isn't healthy for our country. Bush is a moron but I wish everyone who considers themselves on the Right and Left could just be deported. I would rather have a bunch of illegal aliens become citizens then have to hear idiots talk about how their ***** don't stick. Republicans and Democrats are two sides of the same coin and the only way out is for someone to start a moderate political party that can get the majority of the American peoples vote. Stop listening to the fringe. - Tomson74, on 12/11/2007, -3/+12Wow this is a BS article. Burried.
Amazing how many people fell for this crap - centerblack, on 12/11/2007, -1/+10You don't have any more credibility or right to say "The vast majority of the troops want to finish the job" than the poster does to say "The troops hate Bush and want out of Iraq".
I seriously doubt most soldiers are concerned with furthering our middle eastern agenda to secure more oil resources through the invasion and occupation of Iraq, coupled with the installment of a puppet government we expect to be sympathetic to our goals for the region. (We certainly didn't come for WMD's or Iraqi Freedom.)
The vast majority of troops want to survive that ***** hole with both arms and legs intact, and keep themselves and their friends alive so that they can all come back to the US of ***** A and bang their girlfriends... - EVogel, on 12/11/2007, -0/+9How is a man who starts illegal wars and lies to his own country, a growing problem in our growing police state, and someone who believes that thinking differently might cause a change a fad? Are you blind to the world around you?
- Scaryclouds, on 12/11/2007, -0/+8I don't believe the author is saying that, he is pointing out the folly of saying not supporting the war = not supporting the troops. But if you followed that logic absolutely then that means the majority of the troops don't support themselves.
- ordig, on 12/11/2007, -2/+10and oil
- DS2600, on 12/11/2007, -4/+12Been to Iraq 4 times in the past 3 years, yes I do support it. By the way, the majority of the troops I talk to (since I am one, live and work with them on a daily basis) for the most part agree with the war, even the ones that don't like Bush. Odd. Just a thought.
- hangingchad, on 12/11/2007, -1/+9I don't understand how supporting our troops became synonymous with supporting George Bush and the Iraq War. You can support the troops without supporting the war or the president that sent them there. Supporting the troops mean giving them the proper respect and acknowledgment for a job well done no matter what the outcome of the war. Supporting our troops mean providing adequate care for those who have been injured. Supporting our troops means remembering all those who will never come back. Supporting our troops means realizing that these are people with lives and families and not number, statistics, or pawns to be used in the conquest for blood oil. For all those who still haven't gotten it through their heads that Bush has politicized the troops, ask yourselves this, would supporting our troops during the Vietnam war mean that we should have kept our troops their longer?
- mnmleon, on 12/11/2007, -1/+9get off the internet.
- Acewrap, on 12/11/2007, -2/+10No.
- Habemus, on 12/11/2007, -3/+10>"If most of the guys with the guns don't want to be in Iraq, they should band together and leave."
Most of the guys with the guns do want to be in Iraq, what makes you think otherwise? This poll was not of them -- RTFA. It was a poll of their families back home. The subject line here is inaccurate. - goingtoalpha, on 12/11/2007, -9/+16So its official.
EVERYONE in the middle east with a gun hates Bush.
That's our President! - MarkOfTheDead, on 12/11/2007, -4/+11Agreed. I'd also like to see this freedom of ours they're over there fighting for. Last time I checked, my rights to free speech have diminished as well as privacy rights and rights to due process. I just hope I never get fingered as something I'm not, I can now look forward to being shipped off somewhere and kept in a cell because someone can't admit they made a mistake or lied.
- thatsmyaibo, on 12/11/2007, -4/+11Stop pinning this solely on Bush and the Republicans. The Democratic members of congress voted this war in and are just as responsible. Politicians are corrupt in general and being so bipartisan is part of the problem this country faces. Stop with the one sided propaganda posts.
- elliotys, on 12/11/2007, -1/+8While i fully believe what you say is true, it is important for you to understand that these are your personal experiences, and do not constitute a scientific survey. Furthermore we won the war (in Iraq). We have succeeded militarily. However, there is nothing that our military can do to end the 1300 year old Shia and Sunni civil war that has taken over the country, because it does not require a military solution. This is a political situation that needs diplomacy to solve it, if indeed we can solve it. Furthermore patriotism is standing up for what you believe in, as you have demonstrated with your above post. The people who want us out of the war are not unpatriotic, or un-american, but rather patriots by sticking up for what they believe in. The name calling needs to end. It benefits no one and distracts us from the real task at hand.
- Hickeroar, on 12/11/2007, -4/+11The main error in this argument is that the author of the article is saying that the troops don't support the troops... The troops support each other just fine, they just don't appear to be supporting the president (assuming the article is correct).
EVERY red blooded American should be supporting the TROOPS as a whole (minus the obvious rotten apples that have popped up from time to time) and keeping their opinion of the president and his decisions completely separate. - thebellmaster1x, on 12/11/2007, -2/+9IIHII? JamesSpaza? Ringing any bells?
- Scaryclouds, on 12/11/2007, -3/+10The most un-American thing one can ever do is disrespect a service member. It is absolutely UNACCEPTABLE how our veterans are treated especially our wounded vets. The federal government should be ashamed the lengths wounded veterans have to go through to receive proper compensation.
- Scaryclouds, on 12/11/2007, -1/+7You have no idea how the military works, just shut up.
- ivandir, on 12/11/2007, -2/+8He wouldn't be trolling on digg if he wanted to take their place.
- jon30041, on 12/11/2007, -0/+6@bancefeher
Those two statements are abut different topics. It's not 60% of 60%, it's 60% and 60%. The same people that don't like Bush (60% of military families) say that the war in Iraq is not worth it. - Dewhead, on 12/11/2007, -1/+7the troops are made up of individual human beings who probably each have their own opinion so it is so stupid to say that all of one group or another feels exactly the same way. I personally know of many soldiers that believe 100% in their mission and I also know that just like the rest of us they have good days and bad days. I for one can go from loving my profession on one week to being sick of it and ready for a change on the next. The men and women who sign up to protect our country do so with the full knowledge that they might be in combat. God bless them.
- BohicaTwentyTwo, on 12/11/2007, -1/+7I wonder which one of these soldiers hates Bush and wants out of Iraq, the husband who is fighting to stay in the army despite losing his leg, or his wife who enlisted to take his place when he was wounded?
http://digg.com/world_news/Wife_Enlists_in_Army_to ... - acceptab1euname, on 12/11/2007, -1/+7Just look for the comments with more than 30 negative diggs. That's usually a good starting point.
- neozeed, on 12/11/2007, -0/+6Newsflash bucky, there isn't a right/left. You've been duped. Tell me how do you think things will change once Hillary is installed?
Hmmm? She gets her funding from the same people.... - dugman74, on 12/11/2007, -3/+9Yes, the troops are against the war in mass numbers.
This easily explains the hundreds of thousands who have reenlisted while stationed in Iraq.
You people are all retarded. - luftrofl, on 12/11/2007, -0/+5Neocons on digg?
- techweenie1, on 12/11/2007, -1/+6The overwhelming majority of the guys I know in Army and the Marines support the war...I've met some who haven't...but I'm going to stick to hearing it from the horses mouth...dugg down as inaccurate.
- Demaskee, on 12/11/2007, -3/+8Well I'm one troop who supports Bush and our missions overseas.
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