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- lolerskate, on 11/08/2009, -4/+70Republicans are only financial conservative when there a Democrat in the White House.
- TobiasParker, on 11/08/2009, -18/+72It doesn't matter, partisan politics are merely a ploy to keep the people divided.
We can elect anyone on the ballot and the country will continue on the same course. - novenator, on 11/08/2009, -10/+52The moment that we lose confidence in our democracy is the moment we lose it. What we need to do is continue to fight for our elected representatives actually fighting for our interests, not some big corporation. Campaign finance reform will be a big part of this, and guess who is going to oppose that?
- CosmicSurfer, on 11/08/2009, -23/+53I have no doubt there is a much bigger lesson to learn here than even consideres by this writer.
The election brought in one...YES ONE vote - CA-10, that was somewhat expected.
NY23 is proof that the so-called conservatives are nothing more than the shills of the American Taliban and the people wanted no part of it
NJ and VA - NO more of the same was the call for those states...NO MORE of the corruption of the BANKS KILLING the AMERICAN PEOPLE
Obama swept in with a vote FOR change we could believe in but brought in the old guard cronies of the Banks to do it from Rahm to Geitner and retention of Berneke
Gitmo to close 1/2010? Right with 241 STILL there in limbo, Bagram newly remodeled and expanded and the reports of abuse on-going. Instead of telling the tiny fringe sadists to STFU, they cower and let Cheney incite people (when he should BE in the orange jumpsuit in SuperMax instead)
What transparency? What Peace? Iraq is still on and Afghanistan is escalating...The people want out and the foot soldier is a hollow shell but the Pentagon is playing fast and loose with propaganda o keep them churned and burned until there is nothing left
We support horrific human rights abuses by Israel and complain about Iran; we support the UK in hiding their torture program that went along with the CIA's but we complain about the abuses of every other country
We complain the Taliban is abusing women in Afghanistan as the American Taliban holds us hostage with the Health care bill - In response the HOUSE sells the women of this nation to the devil himself and call it a move for Health care reform
We have a congress of balless democrats and insane slaves to the moronic talking heads We are NEO-CONNED and there is no one doing a damned thing about it
As the Republican Party cannibalizes itself, good riddance
The Dems haven't got a set of balls among them
Every single elected official needs to be reduced to cockroach herders in the gutter where they have chosen to slither - chrissku, on 11/08/2009, -10/+39The Republican party seems to be in the process of evolving into two separate parties. The far right seems to be peeling off and separating itself into the 'Tea Party' (Teabaggers), while the moderates on the other side of the party seem to be aligning more & more with the independents.
This could actually help the Democrats in 2010 and more so in 2012 if the fracturing continues. - linkesslover, on 11/08/2009, -5/+33Here's a great cause for the democrats to latch onto:
If the banks are too big to fail, break them up. - CosmicSurfer, on 11/08/2009, -5/+31AND WE THE PEOPLE HAVE GONE to HIDE in our homes behind screens of mindless drivel from fantasy ***** of "Survivor" to low rent stupidity of the average sitcom as the country falls to the ground. WE THE PEOPLE have given over our vote to the idiots that rip us asunder and then complain behind the anonymity of our computer screens.
WE THE PEOPLE will not be BOTHERED to go out and fight in the streets for I have tried and tried and tried and lost the momentum that I had in the 60's and 70's due to the pampered excesses of a society of people with empty holes filled with things.
WE THE PEOPLE DESERVE THE GOVERNMENT WE GET because we have lost sight of it's importance and removed ourselves from the soul of the nation. THAT soul on life support is dying as every one of us from FL to CA, AK to HI sits and stews and does nothing.
WE THE PEOPLE are the wretches about which we bitch with no moral right to bitch if our government ***** us since we have ***** ourselves - N01SE, on 11/08/2009, -3/+28Corporations that are "too big to fail" are indicative of the rampant corporatism in this country. The private sector should never have influences on public policy yet they have been almost completely integrated. When the failure of one corporation or even a handful of corps tanks an economy, you basically have a centralized point of failure for the entire country. It's pretty obvious what the solution is.
- ericthesalmon, on 11/08/2009, -2/+25If Obama doesn't come down hard on the banks and surrender Bush's executive branch power grabs, he's going to lose support and enthusiasm from both independents and progressives.
- rocknog, on 11/08/2009, -5/+28So I take it we're just simply going to ignore the two wars started by Republicans in the name of terrorism which have resulted in more lost American lives than 9/11?
- novenator, on 11/08/2009, -2/+25Agreed. Here is a comparison of the deficits by president: http://img22.imageshack.us/img22/3056/nationaldebt ...
- clvngodess, on 11/08/2009, -3/+22Use less caps? USE LESS CAPS? Are you kidding me? Seriously. You've just made CosmicSurfers point.
We are supposed to have a representational government. We don't. We are supposed to have democratic processes, we don't. We are supposed to participate in those processes, but instead we sit behind the screens and kick each other... about typos or all caps. (Hey, I'm not infallible, either.)
What we need to do is enforce that representational government. Or fire the *****. - s73v3r, on 11/08/2009, -5/+24Republicans have proven themselves more of a threat than terrorists.
Exhibit A. = The previous 8 years. - rocknog, on 11/08/2009, -8/+26You know, I really thought the Republicans would get it after the 2008 election. I thought they'd realize that John McCain might've had a better chance were it not for Palin and her special brand of nuttiness. Apparently I'm a naive idiot, because it looks like instead they've decided that McCain hurt Palin's chances.
It's not that people can't get behind the idea of small government, it's that the Republicans wrap up their support of small government in layers of crazy, and time and time again, they fail to deliver on their promises. And it just really baffles me that their continued losses only seem to cause them to run even faster to the right, when in fact their losses are due to the fact that they keep alienating independents and moderates.
Heck, I'm not even saying they need to be more liberal, it's just they need to back down on social conservatism. That ***** may have won elections 20 years ago, but times are changing. Maybe we're not there yet, but it's pretty obvious which way the winds are blowing. - novenator, on 11/08/2009, -4/+21please be sarcasm
- gl77, on 11/08/2009, -3/+19I love the feature on the NYT website that lets you highlight any word and get a definition of that word. i know i will get buried for my comment, but i dont really give a *****, i think it's cool nonetheless.
- novenator, on 11/08/2009, -5/+20I have to wonder if the social conservatives and war hawk can continue to use the Libertarians like they've been doing. They are nothing alike, but the former have taken over the GOP and have been pushing the latter out of key positions. This is the main division I'm seeing, that is, if the libertarians stop putting up with being used. http://progressivenation.us/2009/10/28/the-growing ...
- ericthesalmon, on 11/08/2009, -3/+17I agree with every one those things you just said but your formatting makes you look like a crazy person at first glance.
Less caps, more line breaks. - Anomaly100, on 11/08/2009, -3/+17Geoffg:
First off, I have to tell you that you've one upped us by calling us, "Libtards". You are quick and your wit can be matched by no man or woman. You're comeback has wounded us & you prove in one short comment that the pen is indeed, mightier than the sword. We are no match for your great intellect & wisdom. We should not even try to win the next election if you represent your party. All of our hope is now gone. You've diminished us to next to nothing, now that your comment has enlightened the Digg world with your candor, brilliance & charisma...I bow to you wisdom. WE "libtards" bow to your wisdom!
Come on & sing with me "libtards!"- We were wrong! We were wrong! Geoffg is better than all of us combined! We...are...merely....libtards! <sob>
Now, really... - rocknog, on 11/08/2009, -2/+16You know it's funny - my first thought on reading your comment was that I think the 2008 election marked a turning point after Ron Paul basically got shunned and pushed off to the side by his own party for taking an actual stance on the values the party pretends to support. Then I clicked the link, and wouldn't you know it, the article said the exact same thing.
Personally, I am really getting sick and tired of Republicans pretending to be libertarian - it's just sickening. - TobiasParker, on 11/08/2009, -1/+14" know of no safe depository of the ultimate powers of the society but the people themselves; and if we think them not enlightened enough to exercise their control with a wholesome discretion, the remedy is not to take it from them but to inform their discretion. " -jefferson
meh - lennynumberone, on 11/08/2009, -6/+19Yeah! Because then the GOP can start another War, take healthcare away from people, and all sorts of other nasty *****, and line their pockets as well as their friends at the same time! WIN WIN!!!
- DDRSkata, on 11/08/2009, -5/+17Either way is a win for America. If they keep going farther and farther right and looking like nuts to most people, they implode and a less fringe party takes their place. If they get more moderate to prevent that from happening, we don't have the Bachmanns and Palins of this country determining policy. The only way we could lose is if everyone loses their minds and decides that social conservatism, rampant spending with no tax increases to support it, and wars are things we need more of.
- mintedmeadow, on 11/08/2009, -1/+12McCain was a joke. It does not matter who would have been his VP, he was a terrible candidate who did not deserve to be president and had absolutely no concept of how to run a campaign.
I don't think the fact that Obama won had anything to do with Palin or far-right Conservatism. People were tired of the Republican party, not because they were too socially conservative, but because they were not FISCALLY conservative. The reason why people are jumping ship -- both on the Republican and Democratic side -- is that they are beginning to see that neither party has this country's best interest in mind. Instead, they're financially running America into the ground.
The social conservative aspect, I believe, is fine, because the nation is as much socially conservative as it is socially liberal -- we are absolutely divided, and that is why you constantly see people rabidly attacking each other on Digg and other related sites. The problem is that Republicans promise small government, but they never deliver. A lot of people on this site are liberal, so they are blinded by their hatred of the Republican party, but the reality is that most people polled believe that the Republicans are going to end up gaining power in 2010, because the Democrats are still wasting money.
Social policies, for the most part, are secondary to most Americans. The economy, by and large, is typically the most important consideration to most people, because that is their livelihood. Whether or not gay people marry usually is not going to make or break whether or not someone becomes President. - AmazingSteve, on 11/08/2009, -5/+15The Tea Baggers are busy today. Should make for some good comedy this week.
- s73v3r, on 11/08/2009, -1/+11Regardless of how it happens, I think it'd be much better for there to be multiple parties in Congress, as opposed to the two we have now.
- DDRSkata, on 11/08/2009, -6/+15The Blue Dogs are not moderates. They're Republicans pretending to be Democrats. Hell, even the Democrats doing the purging are center-right by global standards. Grayson is the only person I can think of that's saying or doing anything to support the real values of the party.
- MrSteamTank, on 11/08/2009, -1/+10@EarlofLade
United States is too big to be run only at the federal level. Various other nations give the states, provinces, etc quite a bit of power and they do fine. Canada and Spain are good examples of this. - novenator, on 11/08/2009, -2/+11I have talked to more 'libertarians' since Dec08 who are really just Republicans in disguise than I have talked to libertarians who actually have libertarian beliefs. One guy who I was trying to interview from the John Birch Society said "those are just Libertarian party freaks". That pretty much explains the sentiment of GOP conservatives towards libertarians. The only question is whether they will continue to put up with it.
- richardstaboner, on 11/08/2009, -1/+10huh?
- mintedmeadow, on 11/08/2009, -3/+11@EarlofLade: Which is why even after existing for only a couple hundred years, we became one of the most powerful countries in the world. Because our system is JUST THAT FLAWED.
- SarcasticPirate, on 11/08/2009, -2/+10"The Dems haven't got a set of balls among them."
Patrick Leahy (D-Vermont), Al Franken (D-Minnesota), and Sheldon Whitehouse (D-Rhode Island) in the Senate and Anthony Weiner (D-New York), Dennis Kucinich (D-Ohio) and others in the House would like a word with you. - evilawesome, on 11/08/2009, -1/+9TROLLFAIL -5pts.
- miffelplix, on 11/08/2009, -8/+16Far right will only get more and more extreme. It needs hate to survive.
- ClaireQuilty, on 11/08/2009, -0/+8Don't hold your breath on him coming down hard on the banks. Goldman Sachs, Citigroup and JP Morgan Chase were in Obama's top 10 campaign donors.
- AmazingSteve, on 11/08/2009, -2/+10I live in Canadna. I'll get it for free thanks.
- TobiasParker, on 11/08/2009, -3/+11Use less caps, but as to your point, yeah pretty much.
- Akairenn, on 11/08/2009, -2/+10@EarlofLade:
What, pray tell, is wrong with the state system? Or systems, as the case may be? Each state is different, so one can't point at, say, California and go, "OMG STATES R SUX! BANKRUPTZORZ!"
I find the state system rather wonderful; it allows for more local government, and local government is the best government. I sure as hell don't know what's important to the good folks of Texas, for example, and I suspect they have no clue what's good for myself or my fellow Pennsylvanians.
As for the Federal government, I couldn't agree more. I'll spare you a ten page rant on what's wrong on *that* level though. :D - nihilville, on 11/08/2009, -2/+9After the last 8 years of conservatives using the constitution like a scum rag, the only thing I find funny is your pathetically delusional comment.
- Gonthim, on 11/08/2009, -3/+10You do realize that for the first 6 years of Bush Jr the Republicans controlled congress, right?
If what you said applies at all the trend would have continued. It didn't. Obviously the president has some effect on the matter. - Shiftyeyedgoat, on 11/08/2009, -0/+7And everyone in 2000-2004 thought the Democrats would fracture themselves into many special interest groups with so much in-fighting the party would crumble.
Politics are cyclical. - DextramPennae, on 11/08/2009, -2/+9"Too big to fail" is what you get with laws and policies that cause industry consolidation.
- rocknog, on 11/08/2009, -1/+8Could we please make an effort to differentiate between conservatism and libertarianism? There is a difference, you know, but it seems like people tend to use them interchangeably (particularly when people talk about "true" conservatism and how the Republican party isn't truly conservative anymore), and it drives me insane
- kuzotz, on 11/09/2009, -0/+6ummmmmmmm since Reagan. wages have gone down, and quality of living has gone down. Less tax doesn't equate into those things. Reaganomis is not grounded in any real laws of economics.
- 3nder99, on 11/08/2009, -8/+13You do realize that the Republicans controlled Congress during Clinton's years, right?
It doesn't matter who is the President, it matters who controls Congress and what they do with it. In the end, the Budget is set by Congress, not the President. - 5celery, on 11/08/2009, -2/+7Ironically - they've been taking to the street for the last 8 years, but only the teabaggers get press about it. Conservatives are living in a bizarro world where they think the media is against or ignores them - the reality is just the opposite.
- card51short, on 11/09/2009, -0/+5what policies do you like of Obama's?
- neutron7, on 11/08/2009, -3/+8yeah let poor people all die. then there will be more for you.
oh wait who will work at walmart and all the other companies you love so much? immigrants? but you hate them as well. - Anomaly100, on 11/08/2009, -4/+8Explain to me how we're going *farther* left & how Obama is "taxing the ***** out of everybody". Please, share. Don't hold back now, except try to keep it fact based, of that is at all possible.
- rocknog, on 11/08/2009, -2/+6I highly suspect the recent trend of Republicans pretending to be libertarian is a direct result of the fact that libertarians are more and more getting to the point where they simply won't put up with the ***** anymore. Sounds like an abusive boyfriend to me - "No, come back baby, I'll change, I promise!"
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