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- jleopold, on 06/06/2009, -6/+71I had the same reaction when I read that characterization. Poor description by the NYT. It's torture. Just say it.
- thegrantman, on 06/07/2009, -5/+65From now on I will refer to waterboarding as "enhanced baptism".
- BBE1965, on 06/06/2009, -5/+58But if they keep calling it anything but torture, maybe we the people will eventually believe them. Sort of like how most kids in China have never heard of Tiananmen Square. He who writes history writes what will become the accepted truth.
- cheezintern, on 06/06/2009, -4/+44intense interrogation? I think they should call it 'happy flower questioning.'
- HippyInASuit, on 06/08/2009, -1/+28Intense Flirtation
- HippyInASuit, on 06/08/2009, -4/+30Rapists are just practicing intense flirtation.
- charlie6969, on 06/06/2009, -7/+32From EXTREME Interrogation and now it is/was Intense Interrogation?
My MOM can do Intense Interrogation.
It makes me sweat and I am twice her size.
Try again. You were a teensy bit closer the last time... - vsujohn2, on 06/07/2009, -3/+28Newspeak
- inactive, on 06/06/2009, -4/+26If they say it they have to do something about. So they don't say it.
But two of the funniest things that anyone in government has ever said were said last week.
Tim Geithner told a group of Chinese University students that they had no reason to be concerned about their dollar investments. That he was being very cautious. LMAO!
And then Hillary had to go and top little Timmy's joke by making herself all stern and serious and telling the Chinese that they need to investigate cases of abuse perpetrated by their military and release the information. LMFAO
You know these people inside the Beltway are liars that cover up for trture and murder, but at least they're funny! - InetRoadkill, on 06/07/2009, -5/+23I do hope Spain follows through with the war crimes court since it looks like the US is too corrupt to clean up its own mess.
- inactive, on 06/07/2009, -6/+24How are they gonna called the rape of prisoners?
''They were loved'' - m3arvk, on 06/08/2009, -0/+17A++++ Troll! Would bury again!
- dstz, on 06/08/2009, -1/+16Wait, you can put people to death for confessions obtained through torture? outside of any sort of judiciary process? it's kind of the most important news of the century: the middle ages are back, and no one cares all that much.
- Luvboat, on 06/08/2009, -0/+14Nice to see you've backed up your assertions.
- gamerbambi, on 06/08/2009, -3/+17Waterboarding wasn't the only torture method they used.
- Stormwern, on 06/08/2009, -2/+16At this rate the entire english language will be euphemism for torture before long.
- EddiePotato, on 06/08/2009, -0/+13Doubleplus thumbs up.
- Anomaly100, on 06/07/2009, -4/+16The detainees can now ask to be put to death if they've confessed. Is this a way around a higher suicide rate at Gitmo, or is this called "enhanced suicide"?
- mrukz, on 06/07/2009, -5/+17See the update section in the article. NPR is one of the worst offenders on gentle language. While I sometimes like NPR, it has a great fault of avoiding stepping out of the "mainstream" at any cost. One cannot count on any brave moves at NPR when it comes to a controversial issue.
- m3arvk, on 06/08/2009, -3/+15Even if Spain's convictions carry no international weight they do show that one government on this planet is still sane. I say go for it.
- sizzzzlerz, on 06/08/2009, -1/+12If true, then they're wrong.
Its torture. - Wargala, on 06/08/2009, -9/+19When Obama does it, it's "intense interrogation". When Bush does it, it's "torture".
- sublimemm, on 06/08/2009, -0/+9George Orwell said it better
- pintomp3, on 06/08/2009, -2/+11I guess a large number Americas believe we wrongfully prosecuted the Japanese for doing it to Americans?
- jonesyno, on 06/08/2009, -1/+10Negotiations. . . with a lightsaber.
- EatingPie, on 06/07/2009, -9/+17I was a 12 year subscriber to the NYTimes. I learned to understand their bias, and "read through it" to get to the facts. And IMHO, Salon completely misses the reason for the change in language.
The NYTimes was very anti-Bush, and is very pro-Obama. The torture may have occurred under the Bush administration, BUT it would effect the Obama administration's ability to prosecute the detainees at Guantanimo. Said prosecutions -- which are a good thing -- rest entirely on Obama's shoulders, and he will get the credit for doing so (good thing!). That's where the "challenge" comes in: coerced testimony not being admissible, and would interfere with public support of the prosecutions.
So this change is the NYTimes way of supporting the Obama administration. They want to see success here, and they're downplaying "torture" in order to influence public opinion in Obama's favor.
This is a very good example of how bias is played out in newspapers. They don't come out and state it, but they make subtle (or not so much) changes to language based on their level of support for a certain politician.
-Pie - thegsa, on 06/08/2009, -4/+11They soak you with water and put you in a room that is 120+ degrees, and then they move you to a room that's less that 30 degrees.
In the first room, you start sweating heavily, then in the second room, your sweat freezes and peels your skin off.
Anything to get you to tell them what they want you to tell them. - m3arvk, on 06/08/2009, -0/+7"In tents interrogation" for those that may have missed the joke.
- Jowsley, on 06/08/2009, -0/+6AKA
non-mutually consentual intimate touching. - moxley, on 06/08/2009, -0/+6SO what uyou're saying is that a large numberof Americans are ignorant, in denial, and stupid?
Of course, tell us something we don't know.
Anyone who actually gives a ***** enough to look into it KNOWS it is torture; ask any expert - that is WHY we do it, but it is ineffective.
Waterboarding isn't "a little water in the face" *****, it's strapping someone to a board and drowning them. Most people last less than 10 seconds, every single person who has claimed that they didn't think it is torture and were willing to submit to it lasted mere seconds and came out saying "it is most definitely torture."
I refer you to Christopher Hitchens and Mancow.
It doesn't matter how ***** up some people in the world are, it doesn't give our country the right to torture people, especially not without due process.
I love how people who have probably never been to a war zone or served in the military think they know everything.
- Jensaarai, on 06/08/2009, -0/+6It's kinda sad when a lame joke in a Star Wars prequel is being played out in the real world by supposedly serious people.
- edrodgers731, on 06/08/2009, -0/+6Doubleplus good. The 12th edition eliminates "thumbs up".
Do you hate miniluv, Brother? - Orlandin, on 06/08/2009, -0/+5Aggressive physical manifestations of implied feelings.
- wissler, on 06/08/2009, -3/+8Bush imprisoned without due process, now Obama wants to kill without it. Change we can believe in?
- Chakat, on 06/08/2009, -1/+6Surely if this were the case, you'd have no problem with a fair trial and an unbiased jury, correct? We're a nation of laws, and those laws don't stop just because someone did something that's icky.
- inactive, on 06/08/2009, -4/+9So Obama is going to kill them instead of going through the trouble have having a fair trial. Great. Good job everyone who voted, donated and supported him.
- noseeme, on 06/08/2009, -0/+5No, it's not enhanced interrogation, they're "freedom queries".
- Rothbardosaurus, on 06/08/2009, -2/+7Does anyone still deny that the old guard media is waging a war on the American people?
- JohnFlux, on 06/08/2009, -0/+4Wait what?
NYT want it to be classed as non-torture so that evidence gained during the 'not-torture' can be used against the detainees?
That's ***** up. - avesjohn, on 06/08/2009, -1/+5Let's be honest here: the lawmakers never really define "torture", the victims do. And if those we subject to these "intense interrogations" consider it torture, then it's torture, plain and simple. A piece of paper doesn't make it so, our own limits as human beings make torture what it is. Frankly, if you have to resort to euphemisms to defend yourself, then it's clear you don't have much to defend.
The victims of torture need to be given the opportunity to speak publicly in front of an unbiased jury alongside those they were tortured by, and only then, when we hear it from their own mouths that they were tortured, can true justice be administered to the guilty. - diggduggDOOM, on 06/08/2009, -0/+4Oh, you must mean regular pie, humble pie, and cow pies.
- jeremymccurdy, on 06/08/2009, -3/+7They're gonna keep flipping through the thesaurus until they find a phrase that's friendly and marketable to idiots abroad.
- itsthemechanic, on 06/08/2009, -1/+5See your doctor to get your dosage adjusted, your meds clearly aren't working.
- noseeme, on 06/08/2009, -0/+4EXTREME Interrogation! They made torture sound like a new kind of Doritos.
- Jowsley, on 06/08/2009, -2/+6"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that ALL men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."
You may notice they said all men, not just US citizens. - Hetman, on 06/08/2009, -0/+3Vigilantism is not justice. This is a country of laws and they need to be persecuted under these laws.
- fleischner, on 06/08/2009, -0/+3I'm fine with that. Obviously the battle lines have been drawn over the "illegal" part of the phrase.
- Nephaestous, on 06/09/2009, -0/+3They are just being put to The Question, if the accused is really innocent, God will give him or her the strength to deny guilt, so a person who confesses must be guilty.
I actually think that if they brought back the rack and strappado they would be able to procure more confessions. We need to let people know that confessionem esse veram, non factam vi tormentorum. Do you really prefer otherwise? to let these jews and witches taint our catholic society? - arryboy81, on 06/08/2009, -0/+3 Let's face it, we are stuck with this double-talk.Spin doctors have practiced it for years and as fast as you interpret interrogation for torture they'll come up with new phrases and in a few years time todays language will need an expert historian to explain it. Keeping up to date with English is a full time job.
- Hetman, on 06/08/2009, -0/+3Terrorism seeks to terrorize the population it has nothing to do with terrorizing the government.
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