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- syncomm, on 11/05/2008, -8/+294Now for the final question, will the Republicans party forever remain the "Palin party" of White Evangelical Creationist Christian-Zionist Extremists OR will they return to real conservative principals?
- Shiloah, on 11/05/2008, -8/+232FTA: "Sarah Palin... represented everything wrong with the Republican Party -- the same intolerant elements that McCain had fought so hard against years earlier -- and now there she was, smiling on the stage beside him. Historians will no doubt cite the collapsing economy and the legacy of George W. Bush as impossible obstacles for McCain to overcome. But for me, he lost the election when he picked Palin, because he lost the last vestige of his former self."
So true. This pretty much says it all. - flumkin, on 11/06/2008, -4/+133I really liked the old Mccain.
This article is depressing. He traded everything that made him a good man for a failed political campaign. - algaeturd, on 11/06/2008, -9/+104I stated this many times on Digg. I started out as a voter with respect for McCain. I didn't agree with many of his ideals and I was suspicious of his voting record but I listened to every word he had to say. Problem is, he didn't say much about the issues.
Other problem, is when the lies came out and the smears and the campaign that focused on hate and targeting Obama as 'different' and 'suspicious,' he lost me completely. It is sad. Because this guy dedicated his whole life to politics...I won't say he dedicated his life to helping others because I can't say that's true. He's profited very well off of his career. But I saw an old guard in Washington come out with some respect, stab himself in the back and dwindle down to nothing. I'm glad he took credit for it but it wasn't easy to watch.
More than McCain, I really just disliked his rabid supporters who bought every smear, lie and sling that McCain threw their way. That was disgusting to watch and I turned from a lukewarm Obama supporter to a full fledged volunteer for the local campaign.
I want to thank the republican digg circle jerkers for that. If I hadn't spent so much time reading their hatred and bile, I would never have been motivated enough to get up and get people to vote as I did.
And I did it with a passion because these people scare the ***** out of me. I don't see them as true conservatives because they just seem like people who had nowhere else to go. In my opinion, after reading these posts night after night, it seemed to me that they saw: "black man' vs. 'white man.' They never spoke about issues or ideals. They just spent hours typing out hatred for Obama. You rarely ever saw a positive McCain post, just lots of negative Obama posts. That's when I had a pretty good idea McCain was going to lose. His supporters had passion but it wasn't for him, it was a passionate hatred for Obama.
I'm still waiting for the republican party to regroup and refocus. I actually share a lot of ideals with the original concepts of the party but it lost its way long ago, as did McCain. If they can drop the uneducated fundamentalist act and focus on limited government, quit making war as often as possible and actually present a clear plan to shrink government in a logical way that makes sense, they'll be a tough opponent.
As it stands, they appear more like a comedy group at this point; you've got people who have so much hatred built up in them for anyone who is different or doesn't agree that it's cost them a lot. And they have a legacy of 8 years of failure that they helped into fruition that nobody is going to forget about by 2012. You can count on that...we'll be trying to repair the damage for the next 8 years. Four years is not enough time to reverse the damage done by Bush.
But my hope for republicans is that they drop the fundie act, drop the racism, hatred, the 'different' spiel and focus on issues and conservative ideals. They keep that ***** up and 2012 won't even be close. - whataboutdave, on 11/06/2008, -2/+92That's what I was thinking during his concession speech. The old McCain was peeking through and it killed me to see it after it was too late.
I genuinely feel for the guy and might have voted for him if not for Palin's apparent stupidity.
This is not a bad man. He just made the mistake of listening to the Rovian elements in the GOP. - inactive, on 11/05/2008, -5/+79Brutal... Painfully Brutal.
- Berkana, on 11/06/2008, -3/+66McCain used to be the Democrat's favorite Republican, because of his moderation and because he showed some real honor and honesty that's refreshing to people sick of politics. But McCain sold his soul this time around. Shame on him. He was a better man than this.
- nysus, on 11/06/2008, -44/+96How ***** dare anyone out there make fun of Sarah after all she has been through!
She had a down syndrome baby, she endured a run for Vice President. She had five *****' kids.
Her husband turned out to be a snowmobiler, and now she has to suffer through the loss of this election. All you people care about is…..readers and making money off of her.
SHE’S A HUMAN! What you don’t realize is that Sarah is fighting for your way of life and all you do is write a bunch of crap about her.
She hasn’t performed in a beauty contest in years. All you people want is MORE! MORE, MORE, MORE, MORE!
LEAVE HER ALONE! You are lucky she even ran for you BASTARDS! LEAVE SARAH ALONE!…..Please. - basye, on 11/06/2008, -3/+51Just out of curiosity I watched Faux News a little bit today. The consensus seems to be that there's nothing wrong with *them*, but they've been compromised by the 'RINOS', moderates and the like.
So no, they don't get it at all. - mywhitenoise, on 11/06/2008, -2/+50There's people already preaching Palin 2012...as if they couldn't find a better candidate.
I say let her run! Give us another 4 years. - wishninja, on 11/06/2008, -8/+53I think it will take a few more thumps on the head. I've been trolling the freepers ***** on here and the Palin Conservatives are saying McCain lost because he wasn't Palin enough.
I also tuned in today hoping to taste the delicious tears of sadness I was sure Rush Limbaugh would cry and he was saying McCain wasn't a true conservative (Reagan enough I guess). How he had predicted this all along.
So they didn't learn anything. - DangerCollie, on 11/06/2008, -3/+44It's always easy to second guess the losing strategy. Picking Palin was a huge mistake, right from the beginning. There were more qualified conservative women he could have selected.
A worse selection was picking Rove disciples to run his campaign. They only know how to go negative and people were sick to death of that brand of politics.
Pandering to the base was another mistake. McCain was a moderate Republican, that's why people voted for him in the primaries. The religious right is a dependable 18-20% of the electorate. But when turn out is really high, that's not enough.
The challenge for Democrats is obvious looking at county maps. Rural areas are wide swaths of red, with blue in the most populace areas. We're not as divided as much between rich and poor as we are country and urban. The biggest part of the Republican base has absolutely nothing in common with the wealthy corporate elites who are the party leadership. Dems have to find a way to reach out to rural communities. - BelatedHero, on 11/06/2008, -4/+38I don't think it will happen until a lot of these old fools like Pat Robertson and James Dobson die off. Maybe the younger generation of republicans/conservatives will figure out that they've let these wacko christian fundamentalists control their party for far too long. Even as a democrat I hope the republicans can get their party back. It would be better for America as a whole in the long run. But I don't see it happening anytime soon. The idiots think they lost the election because they didn't swing to the right far enough!
- VinnieDaMac, on 11/06/2008, -1/+32Picking Palin was definitely the nail in the coffin for me. There was no way I was voting for anyone who thought Palin was qualified to be anything more than a "small-town" mayor.
- wrmjr, on 11/06/2008, -1/+31I think McCain forgot that once you've won your party's nomination, you need to run to the center. Picking Palin was something that pleased the base, but the base was going to vote for him anyway, even if it was only to vote against Obama. Honestly, can anyone imagine him losing Texas? No way. He lost the swing states, though, because he was seen as too extreme. Of course, I'd like to believe he couldn't have beaten Obama anyway, but his mistake was running for president like he was still in the primaries.
- ThsGuyRightHere, on 11/06/2008, -4/+32The biggest problem for McCain was not winning the general election, it was winning the primary. He felt like he had to play to the base more than he did in 2000, hence the Bomb Iran song. He could have had a fighting chance against Obama if he distanced himself from Bush early on and charted a new course for the party, but that would never have won him the primary.
- Plotinus, on 11/06/2008, -2/+29They don't get you. Don't worry, you had me in stitches. I do however think you could have toned it down the slightest notch.
- miralize, on 11/06/2008, -1/+26More like Palinfully brutal
- asskicker32, on 11/06/2008, -7/+32Brilliant satire! You didnt have to lay it on so thick, though. You kind of come across as petty.
- tomarocco, on 11/06/2008, -1/+25You won't even hear her name in 6 months.
- inactive, on 11/06/2008, -0/+23If anyone who didn't follow him during the 2000 election watched the PBS Frontline special: Choices 2008, they would see how McCain essentially had to make a deal with the devil (in this case the current incarnation of the republican party) in order to have any shot at Presidency. It shows several of his public appearances and how you could at times see a look of despair, or even shame, at what his party had become and the fact that he was there trying to garner their support. A few of his close friends (that exist outside the world of politics) were interviewed and they even said that he asked them to sit in on some of the team meetings because he was unsure of his own staff.
It was pretty sad because the guy seems like a pretty honorable man..he just gave in to temptation and it all got way out of control. - PhilMoskowitz, on 11/06/2008, -0/+22The McCain of 2000 might actually have beaten Obama. The shambles he became had no chance.
- inactive, on 11/06/2008, -1/+23Zero point zero libertarians, as you know, whataboutdave. Fox has a long, proven record of antilibertarian bias so bad that Jay freakin' Leno had to try to repair it, in the case of Ron Paul. Their hate for all libertarian ideas was, if anything, even more palpable than the left-biased networks -- and that's sayin' something! Sigh.
- Shipyaad, on 11/06/2008, -0/+21....which in real numbers translates to some 7.5 million votes.
I totally disagree with you. McCain was TOTALLY electable as a moderate. Palin solidified any moderate conservatives against the McCain ticket - she is DEFINITELY NOT where we want the party to go!
....I can't believe I voted for a ***** Democrat. What the hell is the GOP smoking these days? - whataboutdave, on 11/06/2008, -3/+24FOX News is a mouthpiece for some GOP factions, but it does not speak for the GOP. How many libertarian Republicans do you know to watch FOX?
- cadmiumpaint, on 11/06/2008, -4/+25This election will be studied and taught by political scientists for a long long time. America was sick and tired of fear mongering which is all the GOP had to offer this time around. We needed a leader who we could believe in, and we got it in President Obama.
- dougs55, on 11/06/2008, -8/+28What conservative principles could they really return to ?
Reaganomics failed a 28 year reality check. Trickle-down is a joke. Cutting spending during a recession supposedly caused the great depression in the 1930s. Arnold Schwarzenegger won on a balanced budget and cost cutting platform and look what happened in reality, now California needs a federal bailout.
Conservatives aren't going anywhere until they rethink things carefully. Small government is a slogan for simpletons. Why can't they figure out what a conservative version of smart government would mean ? - Blasphemous88, on 11/06/2008, -1/+20I honestly thing that john McCain made a conscious decision to not follow his former style and principles and rely on something he felt was more in the views of people who would vote for a republican candidate. What makes this so unfortunate is that the old John McCain was far more vote-worthy than the man he portrayed himself as through the election. The people voted knowing this new McCain to be a dirty mean-spirited man who sticks to the same 5-10 talking points and introduces a new negative one into his campaign environment every couple of days.
That's not the kind of man people want to lead their country. He gave up on his own ideals and adopted others in order to win, ironically having the opposite effect. As a side note, did anyone else notice that John McCain's decency and soul seemed to creep back into his body during his concession speech? It was as if some evil overlord was holding John's soul hostage until he lost and then turned it back over upon losing the election. That's awful for John. But it's a good lesson to us all. - mediaspree, on 11/06/2008, -2/+21Dems are trying to reach the rural communities. The "redistribution of wealth" or "spreading the money around" is aimed exactly at helping these rural communities get a leg up financially. They are either too ignorant, stubborn, or brainwashed to accept it. "Joe The Plumber" is a prime example of their ignorance towards the issue.
- Berkana, on 11/06/2008, -2/+20Obama's supporters were not so much irked at McCain, who didn't exhibit racism (far from it; McCain's own adopted daughter isn't white, and he had always recognized the significance of Obama's candidacy in the eyes of blacks), but by the racism of his supporters.
And it would not be honest for you to say what you said without also observing that it was McCain's campaign and the indepentend 527's campaigning on behalf of McCain that were doing the bulk of the smearing. Obama didn't smear McCain; he sometimes had to hit back, but McCain did hardly anything but attack with dirty and dishonest attacks. I'm glad it backfired; Americans are better than that. - shipwreck58, on 11/06/2008, -0/+17Thats what you get when you sell your soul to the devil (i.e. conservative Republicans). I liked the man, I was a Sailor, 20 years Chief, and Sailors knew of John and his legacy, and his party turned him into a shell of himself. Bastards.
- blackturtleus, on 11/06/2008, -2/+19A man who's judgment is so poor that he would pick a running mate as miserably unqualified as Palin does not deserve to hold any office anywhere! I had respect for McCain until it became painfully obvious just how incredibly stupid Palin actually was! It disgusts me that someone like that could even be governor of a state in this country and it horrifies me to think that someone with so little world knowledge could have been so close to becoming Vice President. I don't consider myself to be as well-informed as I should be, but I'm probably ten times as knowledgeable as Palin will ever be. While Dan Quayle may have been a joke, Palin is far worse than a joke. I am amazed when I see YouTube videos made by people defending Palin. It's almost as if these people belong to some kind of cult of stupidity!!! (Don't get me wrong, I don't hate Palin, but the fact that anyone like that can hold any kind of office in this country dooms us all to mediocrity. Unfortunately, I have encountered a few people of her ilk in various governmental bureaucracies and it really sickens me to think that we actually pay these people for their dysfunctional ineptitude!)
- blackturtleus, on 11/06/2008, -2/+18I think people have to have seen the Chris Crocker video to understand your comment. I'm sure I'll see these exact words acted out in a YouTube video within a day or two!!!
- Pyros7, on 11/06/2008, -0/+16"Then he picked Sarah Palin...she represented everything wrong with the Republican Party -- the same intolerant elements that McCain had fought so hard against..."
After the debacle that was the last eight years the republicans can no longer even pretend they're a party about small government, fiscal responsibility, and individual freedoms. All they have left to run on is socially conservative christian ideals that alienate a larger and larger portion of the country every year. - brownsound00, on 11/06/2008, -1/+17Hey i agree. Just a random note... for some reason i did a google search for "***** obama" and "***** mccain" (easiest way to check for negative campaigning i guess...) and the negative obama results were 10 times as much as the mccain.
Hell, i was even on facebook, and some mccain group already started an impeach obama group! WTF!
P.s. your comment's length was fine. - anagai, on 11/06/2008, -0/+16Mccain had a horrible campaign. Only things i remember is "my friends", "maverick", "country first" and "redistribution". His speeches were just same rhetoric over and over again. There were no substance, new ideas or words of inspiration from him. The basic things a leader should say. He was totally reactionary every step of the way. Obama was the first to pick a vp, then mccain camp scrambled to find one quick too without much thought obviously. Obama was the first to call congressional leaders and others to work on a solution to the credit crisis. Mccain said yeah lets to do that too. What substance that actually makes a difference to the american people has mccain done in congress? He disagreed with his party. so What? Does that make him a good leader? He has experience accomplishing what exactly besides mccain/feingold? He is just a person out of touch with the common mans needs and desires. He had serious lapses in judgement from keating 5, his affair, palin and hiring his campaign manager. Do we want a president that will most likely have more serious lapses of judgement? This was a campaign of character and values. Mccain was clearly lacking any. I am seriously think that mccain did not really want to win, because the real mccain was not campaigning. He seemed very different during his concession speech. It was like he was relieved it was over and he could finally show America his true self.
- EntropyFan, on 11/06/2008, -4/+19The problem is he didn't stand a chance without Palin ( or someone like her ).
The Republican party has been hijacked by the Neo-Con Christian right, and McCain was completely unelectable as a moderate. Anyone who isn't substantially to the right of McCain is completely unelectable at this point.
The real question becomes is the Christian right a strong enough block (and organized enough) to push someone like Palin through in 4 years? For all the 'won by a landslide' Electoral Collage *****, it was 46% to 52%. - TigerStar337, on 11/06/2008, -1/+16As long as Bill Kristol and Karl Rove have influence in the Republican Party, the GOP will not regain their power. The Tories in the UK ran into this similar problem. It has been over 10 years and they still have not regained power. Oh, well. Right now, the GOP does not get it. They don't think they have a problem. The world is changing, they are not. This is fine with me. I am tired of living in fear and hate. I am tired of the Republican propaganda and their petty little problems. The USA can join the world again. :-)
- inactive, on 11/06/2008, -1/+16Despite the whines from the media about "cuts," Ronald Reagan GREW THE SIZE OF THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, HE DID NOT SHRINK IT. (Sorry about the CAPS, but Republicans need a clue about recent Republican party spending history vs their theft of libertarian rhetoric around election time, or capitalism will once-again get blamed by a dishonest media for the Republicans' failed, big government policies!)
- OneLess, on 11/06/2008, -0/+15Don't listen to the morons who said it was too long, it was thoughtful and concise.
"That's when I had a pretty good idea McCain was going to lose. His supporters had passion but it wasn't for him, it was a passionate hatred for Obama.That's when I had a pretty good idea McCain was going to lose. His supporters had passion but it wasn't for him, it was a passionate hatred for Obama."
I completely agree. You had the same people who were slandering McCain during the primary season for being a traitor to conservativism (namely people like Rush Limbaugh) supporting him during the general race simply because he wasn't Obama or wasn't a Democrat. Not only is that part of the divisiveness that has torn this country apart for the past decade or more, but it's also what's wrong with our political system as a whole- too much voting for someone you don't like at all simply because you like his opponent even less. - Brownds, on 11/06/2008, -1/+16@EarlOfLade
Dude you total went off the deep end. I voted for Obama but I did not bash McCain. IMO McCain is mostly a good senator and a good American. Even Obama and Biden has said so. Look at his senate record. McCain was just not what I wanted in a President. Even when McCain supported something that his constituents did not he would listen to his people and vote accordingly. And that has nothing to do with his war record which you can't argue, he did serve to the upmost of his ability and beyond. The issue I have with liberal diggers is that the have the Ha ha my guy won and yours lost, I am smarter and better! You know what it is now time to grow the ***** up. It's time for both sides to stop this petty hate and come together to support Obama and heal OUR country. Obama needs both parties to make this happen or else he will be just another ineffective mouth peice... - richirwin, on 11/06/2008, -2/+16He would not have been a good President.
With the pick of Palin, that showed how he would govern - from the extreme right. - WELLDOITLIVE, on 11/06/2008, -1/+14*President elect, Bush is still in office.
- surian, on 11/06/2008, -1/+14I think that the fact you were being dugg down is funny. Anyone who reads digg and doesn't know the infamous Chris Crocker Brittney Spears video shouldn't be allowed to digg a comment up or down.
- SkippyDoorknob, on 11/06/2008, -1/+14He shouldn't have bailed on that Letterman interview...
- youliveinfear, on 11/06/2008, -0/+13The current GOP is all social conservatism and neocons. They've killed the original base. It's not even the same party it was. Meanwhile, regardless of what the right wants to claim, the democrats have become more moderate, especially as more moderate republicans have jumped ship from the only extreme party left, the GOP.
- inactive, on 11/06/2008, -4/+17Back to the humdrum routine of calling his wife a ***** and living in 11 houses at the same time.
- tomarocco, on 11/06/2008, -0/+12I thought picking Palin was brilliant. McCain put country first. He took one for the team. Without Palin there was a distinct possibility that we might have another GOP president in office.
- catbeller, on 11/06/2008, -2/+14He lost, his ideology lost, because he, and it, was WRONG. Demonstrably, completely, devastatingly wrong.
Personality? Who cares. Eisenhower won. So did Nixon.
Palin? Yes, because she so clearly represented what is wrong with "conservative" thinking. The deliberate ignorance, the viciousness, the lying, the inability to speak or think, the lack of compassion, of empathy, the corruption, the greed. The shiny package rotting inside.
The wreckage of Reaganism is falling down around us daily. No personality or position change can change that fact. He lost because he was wrong. - Aequus, on 11/06/2008, -2/+14"I believe in the cause of conservative reform. I believe that because we are right we will prevail in the battle of ideas, unspoiled by the taint of a corrupt campaign finance scheme that works against the very conservative reform of government that is the object of our labors.
The Republican Party will prevail because of our principles, because that's what it's about, my friends, principles, not special interest money or empire or ego.
The union bosses who have subordinated the interests of working families to their own ambitions, to their desire to preserve their own political power at all costs are mirror images of Pat Robertson. Just as we embrace working people, we embrace the fine members of the religious conservative community. But that does not mean that we will pander to their self-appointed leaders. "
This is the McCain in 2000 that was actually somewhat decent. The Republican Party have now become hypocrites to their own ideals and are only leading to their own downfall. -
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