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- alanocu, on 06/22/2009, -4/+20Guns kill people the same way spoons make Michael Moore fat.
- joemofo214, on 06/22/2009, -3/+18Guns do not kill people, Irresponsible people kill people. Taking responsibility is one thing that would make this world more perfect.
- wpi97, on 06/23/2009, -0/+14If many people have guns, and the burglar knows that, he just might decide to get into a different line of work...
- inactive, on 06/22/2009, -0/+14unfortunately, responsibility seems to be an endangered species in this day in age.
- Dimensio, on 06/24/2009, -0/+9"You produce a BLOG showing that violent crimes in the U.K are 5-10x higher than the U.S."
Are you incapable of refuting the statistical data referenced by the blogger, or are you mentally retarded, and thus incapable of understanding that the blogger did not fabricate the data being referenced?
"Let's see 100x vs. 5-10x. That is a order of magnitude difference."
Are you suggesting that violent crime is acceptable when firearms are not involved? - Hetman, on 06/23/2009, -0/+9That is a silly excuse though. School shootings/mass murders are very very rare. They just recieve a lot of media attention.
- wpi97, on 06/23/2009, -0/+9I would assume that home burglars and muggers are generally not the brightest people. But even one who is not too bright must realize when a risk clearly outweighs any possible gain.
Even if you assume that people in the house will not have time to get their guns, there is still a risk of being caught later. And the punishment for armed rubbery or attempted murder are much more severe than for just breaking and entering.
I agree, it is a double edge sword. But if citizens are allowed to own guns, and it is widely known, it can be an effective deterrent against common criminals. - kingnova, on 06/23/2009, -0/+8And knives, and clubs, and tire irons, and baseball bats, and axes, and hammers, and...
Do you REALLY think if you could make every gun in existence today go away, no one would make more, or no one would use other instruments to be irresponsible and violent? - wpi97, on 06/23/2009, -0/+8@NoLiberatrians
To me this is like putting "the club" on the steering wheel of your car. It will not stop a professional car thief, if one decides to steal your car for whatever reason. But it probably will stop some punks who want to go for a joy ride, which reduces the overall probability of your car being stolen tremendously.
Same with having a gun. If you have one, it doesn't mean you can leave your doors open and keep your family jewelry in plain sight. But if a large fraction of the law abiding citizens are armed, the risk involved in breaking into somebody's house becomes too high. Even people stupid enough to be burglars in the first place are smart enough to see that.
And believe me, people who are willing to jump through all the bureaucratic hoops that you have to jump through in some states to get and maintain a gun license are typically very law abiding. - Dimensio, on 06/24/2009, -0/+8Please explain how firearms registration can be accomplished with a guarantee that such a registry will not later be used to facilitate firearms confiscation, as has demonstrably occurred in a number of locales in the United States.
- mjesq, on 06/22/2009, -2/+9Bill of Rights - Second Amendment
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
Can that be any clearer? - Lefts, on 06/23/2009, -0/+7I don't see no doomsday device law,
- kingnova, on 06/23/2009, -0/+7Your rhetoric and a doomsday device are both equally preposterous.
- KMye, on 06/23/2009, -0/+7I thought it was going to be videos of Iranian protesters throwing stones at rifle-wielding thugs...
- wpi97, on 06/23/2009, -0/+7@BL
"And when do you ever hear of a citizen defending his or home with a gun against a burglar?"
I have worked with someone who did. And the guy is well educated and a registered Democrat. :)
Thank you for clarifying the difference between a burglary and a robbery. And I mean that. :)
But my point stands. If many people have guns, and the burglar arms himself, he runs a risk of a more severe punishment. - kingnova, on 06/24/2009, -0/+6"Want to try again?"
Now the official website for the the British government is a "blog"? Wow, that is some impressive delusion blindness you have going there.
You compared apples and piano's. I posted government statistics that compare apples to apples. You are so delusional, you didn't even READ the government data.
Of course "gun crime" is going to be higher in a country that allows guns. But VIOLENT CRIME overall is higher in the country that DOESN'T allow guns. So banning guns didn't drop the level of violence, or can't you understand that?
Fly that troll flag high! - LouisCipher777, on 06/24/2009, -0/+6here's your problem Kenny. you, like the VPC or the Brady campaign, are focusing only on GUN CRIMES, but are completely missing the rates of VIOLENT CRIME in general, because the numbers don't support your theories unless you cherry-pick them.
- PaulPi3rce, on 06/23/2009, -1/+7One of the main problems with gun control is the harder it is to get a gun the less law-abiding citizens will have them. Sounds good right? Well the amount of criminals with guns will hardly go down at all. I wouldn't want the criminals to have more guns than everyone else.
- richmomz, on 06/24/2009, -0/+6Again, I understand there may be situations where you get surprised and don't have time to get your weapon, but there's no reason not to have the *option* in case you *do* have time to arm yourself.
- Hetman, on 06/23/2009, -0/+6I am saying there is very little that can be done. Most of these events are premeditated like columbine. Just like criminals with enough time they could have gotten weapons if they really wanted them. Suicides and gang related activity are the two problems we see with guns. Obviously gang activity could be ended, if we ended the war on drugs. Suicides on the other hand cannot really be stopped. If someone wants to kill themselfs they can find a way to do it.
- wpi97, on 06/23/2009, -0/+6No. Aggression elimination and altruism infusion would be better, but I don't think that's happening any time soon. In the mean time law abiding citizens must have the right to protect themselves.
- kingnova, on 06/24/2009, -2/+8I wonder why you won't comment on the factual data showing violent crime rates much higher than in the US?
http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/rds/crimeew0506.html
Straight from the government, yet you can't seem to comment on factual data. Why would that be? - kingnova, on 06/24/2009, -2/+8Interesting. I asked MadKennyP about the links that go straight to the government site, with actual data from the UK, and he disappears.
He continued to comment in other threads, but when asked to comment on the factual data, he has nothing more to say.
I believe that is called cowardice, along with intellectual dishonesty. - Dimensio, on 06/24/2009, -1/+7" I guess your argument doesn't hold up, Dimensio."
As I have noted, you are a known liar. You have claimed that I am in support of allowing the sale of weapons to "known terrorists", a position that I have never taken. You therefore lied as a means of supporting your position; as such, your claims are not credible. - kingnova, on 06/23/2009, -2/+7"A blog posting? That's persuasive"
I guess it is too much to ask that you follow the sourced links? You know, the OFFICIAL government statistics, sourced in the *blog* posting? - govtdoesnotwork, on 06/23/2009, -0/+5If only I could get this magic wand working...
- kingnova, on 06/23/2009, -3/+8It's pretty funny that you point to gun crimes in a country that bans guns, but COMPLETELY ignore how high Britain's violent crime rate is:
http://wheelgun.blogspot.com/2007/01/crime-in-uk-v ...
Britain has a HIGHER violent crime rate than any part of the United States. So, using your "logic", one could claim gun laws in Britain make people more violent. Of course, that is silly, but no sillier than you picking out gun crimes for two countries that have vastly different laws. - Haptick, on 06/23/2009, -0/+5That's a completely inaccurate analogy. Shovels or feed troughs on the other hand...
- richmomz, on 06/24/2009, -1/+6Having a weapon in the house may not be a perfect solution in every hypothetical situation (I suppose they could just swing like tarzan from the tree outside my bedroom window, come crashing through and I'd be screwed then too, right? Damn!) However, you have both failed to convince me why having NO weapon would be preferable. I would rather have the option of defending my family, than to leave their fate to the mercy of a criminal.
As for my dog, she would certainly make for a good alarm system but if I had to rely on her for personal protection I'd be screwed (unless she managed to somehow lick them to death). - richmomz, on 06/23/2009, -1/+5Hey I'm all for gun control - I always keep both hands on my gun when I'm shootin'!
- Dimensio, on 06/24/2009, -3/+7You are a known liar. As such, your statements are not credible.
- richmomz, on 06/23/2009, -2/+6Or if someone breaks in downstairs while you and your family are sleeping upstairs and need to defend yourself - yeah it might come in handy then too.
- DreadPirate, on 06/23/2009, -2/+6MKP - Can you respond to the points raised (including the cited statistics with sources), or are you going to be your usual pathetic self and hide behind the fact that it is a blog posting?
- kingnova, on 06/23/2009, -0/+4We could just call a national "do over". We just trust that every person turns in every gun in American, and everyone promises never to make any more OR import any from other countries. Then se hav a level playing field, and criminals have to go back to knifing people, or beating them with tire irons. Totally reasonable.
Yes, we can miraculously put the Genie back in the bottle!
/s tag for the Digg impaired - LouisCipher777, on 06/24/2009, -0/+3in the UK they are working to ban pointy knives now because the gun ban worked so well, now they are a status symbol for criminals while most meat and potatoes criminals just use knives.
next it will be clubs... oh wait, they are trying to ban people from going in public with anything that can be used as a weapon.
The criminals should listen if we had just one more oppressive law, right? right? RIGHT? - kingnova, on 06/24/2009, -1/+4I doubt MadKennyP realizes his use of Australia as an example makes it nearly impossible to discuss. Australia does not categorize violent crimes in any way comparable to most other nations.
MadKennyP has been shown the violent crime numbers for England, and he just conveniently ignores them. - LouisCipher777, on 06/24/2009, -0/+3Among the many misdeeds of the British rule in India, history will look upon the act of depriving a whole nation of arms, as the blackest.
* Gandhi, An Autobiography - kingnova, on 06/23/2009, -0/+3Well yes, it could. If it was so crystal clear, we wouldn't have some of the decisions we have had.
- LouisCipher777, on 06/24/2009, -0/+3the thing you guys don't seem to understand is that in the 1700s the term "well regulated" meant "to be made regular", or to be well provisioned and trained. Every single male between the ages of 16 and 45 was assumed to be part of the militia, because the founders despised the idea of having a standing army.
now, on top of that, the first part of that sentence is what is referred to as a "Preamble", something which helps put the rest of the sentence in context. The part that needs to be focused on is "the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed". that is why the whole revolutionary war started, because the English tried to disarm the colonists. - LouisCipher777, on 06/24/2009, -1/+4you fail kenny. Australia only counts crimes CONVICTED, not crimes REPORTED like we do here in the US.
- LouisCipher777, on 06/24/2009, -0/+3gun control will never work anywhere because criminals dont care what the law says. In England right now they are working to ban pointy knives because poor criminals cant afford the extremely expensive, yet still readily available, guns, and have started using knives.
- LouisCipher777, on 06/24/2009, -0/+3no, nothing should be done at all, except that the teachers should be allowed to carry concealed handguns if they have a permit.
America has a disproportinately high rate of gun crime for two reasons. because they are strictly controlled in other countries, so they use different weapons, and because other countries count crime rates differently than the US. The US counts every crime REPORTED, where as Europe counts every crime CONVICTED.
Also, look at overall crime rates. The US has a lower per capita murder rate, rape rate, and in fact every other violent crime than most other countries with strict gun control, but groups like the VPC and the Brady campaign only focus on gun crimes because the numbers better fit their agenda. - LouisCipher777, on 06/24/2009, -0/+3true gun control means putting the second bullet in the same hole as the first.
- LouisCipher777, on 06/24/2009, -0/+3that is completely false and you know it, especially the part about more accidental shootings. Me and my friends were raised around guns, and no one we ever knew accidentally shot themselves. It only happens in the cases of neglegent parents who either don't lock up their guns or dont bother to teach their children gun safety.
When I was 5, I was at my friend Travis's house, who's father was a marine, a cop, national guard, and im not sure what else. I found a pistol on a desk shelf in a back room, and when i picked it up, my friend Travis (who was also 5) ran over and smacked me in the head and showed me the proper way to handle a gun.
we dont do that much anymore. The NRA got completely blasted by the liberal media when they started teaching their Eddy Eagle gun safety program in schools, yet they bitch when kids die because they dont know the first thing about gun safety.
And as far as the "RARE" case, the NRA magazine "America's First Freedom" actually has an entire section every month dedicated to people who stopped crimes with a ready wit and a ready weapon. Every month there are 10 or 15 in that section. - LouisCipher777, on 06/24/2009, -0/+2they cant, but they will tell you anyway so you will agree with them
- n1eb, on 06/23/2009, -3/+5If I lived by your logic and someone with guns broke into my house, tied me up and raped my wife while I watched, well, I might just be a little angry at myself for not being prepared and able to protect my family. Remember, when seconds count, the police are only minutes away.
- LouisCipher777, on 06/24/2009, -0/+2you know who else supported gun registration?
Adolf Hitler
Pol Pot
Fidel Castro
Mohammar Quadaffi
Joseph Stalin
Idi Amin
Chairman Mao Tse-Tung
and Kim Jong Il
Registration leads to confiscation. it happened in all those regimes, as well as the UK, Australia, and as close to home as California, that said that they only wanted to register those semi-automatic rifles, until a couple years later they decided that you didn't need them, and by then, they knew who had them and where they lived. - LouisCipher777, on 06/24/2009, -0/+2blame McDonalds
- HomelessDepot, on 06/23/2009, -2/+4Why Are You Capitalizing Every Word?
- LouisCipher777, on 06/24/2009, -1/+3by your logic you obviously dont have homeowners insurance, or wear your seatbelt.
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