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- avengingturnip, on 05/17/2008, -26/+154Armed forces of the Government of Iran attacked our ship in international waters on June 8, 1967. Wait!? What, it wasn't Iran? Oh that is right, Israel attacked the U.S. Liberty in international waters.
- AlwaysAwake, on 05/17/2008, -22/+99A conspiracy "nut" is often one who's views disagree with our cherished opinions and beliefs, which are seldom based upon any facts at all. Contempt prior to investigation, is guaranteed to keep one in everlasting ignorance. Take noone's word for anything, including mine; and , above all, NEVER trust anyone adopting the idea, role, and mantle of Authority. The truth is out there. For your own sake, as well as those you love, investigate, and Digg the facts, truth available right now. We are living in difficult, perilous days. If you don't do this questioning and investigating, you will end up being one of the many who will be saying: "Why didn't somebody tell me ? " You were told; you just never made the time to verify the facts !!
- oldhick, on 05/17/2008, -15/+73You guys realize Obama gravels to Israel as well. Go look at his own web site. He calls Israel one of our strongest allies in the middle east and has committed to their continued financial and military support.
Make sure you dish your anti-Israeli hatred equally on the candidates. - GhostyBoy, on 05/17/2008, -20/+60As for this anti-antisemitism crap just shut the ***** up already.
Jesus, it is a ***** embarrassment to the entire Jewish faith when you cry anti-semite every time someone brings up the problems with Israel's foreign policy.
Stop using that religion as a shield and give it back to the people who actually respect it. - lazerus9, on 05/17/2008, -11/+51Here is the link to the USS Liberty Memorial page. Now no one has any excuses for saying that they didn't know. The crew (some of them anyway) lived to tell what really happened.http://www.gtr5.com/
- georgemason01, on 05/17/2008, -11/+46Read the book "Assault on the Liberty: The True Story of the Israeli Attack on an American Intelligence Ship" - written by James Ennes, an officer on the USS Liberty who witnessed the attack first hand. There is overwhelming evidence which shows Israel knew they were attacking an American ship.
- imacommi, on 05/17/2008, -14/+48I'm a bit young to know anything about this, but after reading this it wouldn't surprise me if this was actually the case. Not that I have enough proof either way, but I definitely wouldn't surprise me. The only persons word for it I would take are the sailors on the ship and I would want to speak with them personally rather than take this information from a second hand source. Like I said above, this def wouldn't surprise me if it were true.
- kingofinternet, on 05/17/2008, -9/+42What about all the spying Israel's doing on our military secrets? We have a few of their spies arrested. What an ally.
- inactive, on 05/17/2008, -46/+77I love the photo of McCain, grovelling to the Israelis.
- GhostyBoy, on 05/17/2008, -15/+45The phrase "conspiracy theorist" was popularized by Bush shortly after 9/11. The exact quote was "Let us never tolerate outrageous conspiracy theories."
Funny, that's what I would say if I was involved in a conspiracy. - inactive, on 05/17/2008, -4/+34So they ''accidentally' attacked a US ship which they had previously identified and was clearly marked in broad daylight? I'm not buying that. It was not an accident.
- trumpydumpy, on 05/17/2008, -7/+35For all the people who need a source...
This article was written by Phillip F. Tourney, who was a survivor of the attacks. His email is tonktime5@yahoo.com if you have any questions for him. I don't think he needs to cite any sources for his own eyewitness account.
http://tinyurl.com/6k2wmm - inactive, on 05/17/2008, -14/+42Here's a good documentary about the USS Liberty:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7267134620 ... - Aggaman, on 05/17/2008, -8/+34That aside, this has never really been talked about by your Israel appeasing politicians. That is a national disgrace. Israel seems to be able to do anything, and the US just takes it from behind.
- trumpydumpy, on 05/17/2008, -8/+32For all of those who think this was an accident - a case of "mistaken identity" please understand this article you just read (if you actually read it) is an eyewitness account by Phillip F. Tourney, a survivor of the attacks. If you need further proof, please visit the memorial site http://www.gtr5.com/ and watch the video of Phil speaking about the attacks: http://tinyurl.com/6k2wmm
On June 8, 1967, US Navy intelligence ship USS Liberty was suddenly and brutally attacked on the high seas in international waters by the air and naval forces of Israel. The Israeli forces attacked with full knowledge that this was an American ship and lied about it. Survivors have been forbidden for 40 years to tell their story under oath to the American public. This USS Liberty Memorial web site tells their story and is dedicated to the memory of the 34 brave men who died.
The Attack
After surveilling USS Liberty for more than nine hours with almost hourly aircraft over flights and radar tracking, the air and naval forces of Israel attacked our ship in international waters without warning. USS Liberty was identified as a US naval ship nine hours before the attack by Israeli reconnaissance aircraft and continuously tracked by Israeli radar and aircraft thereafter. Sailing in international waters at less than five knots, with no offensive armament, our ship was not a military threat to anyone.
The Israeli forces attacked without warning and without attempting to contact us. Thirty four Americans were killed in the attack and another 174 were wounded. The ship, a $40 Million Dollar state of the art signals intelligence platform, was later declared unsalvageable and sold for scrap.
The Cover Up
Despite a near-universal consensus that the Israeli attack was made with full knowledge that USS Liberty was a US Navy ship, the Johnson administration began an immediate cover-up of this fact. Though administration officers continued individually to characterize the attack as deliberate, the Johnson administration never sought the prosecution of the guilty parties or otherwise attempted to seek justice for the victims. They concealed and altered evidence in their effort to downplay the attack. Though they never formally accepted the Israeli explanation that it was an accident, they never pressed for a full investigation either. They simply allowed those responsible literally to get away with murder.
Anti-Semitism and the Anti-American Apologists
The USS Liberty Memorial web site abhors the racist and extreme positions often taken by Liberty Lobby, American Free Press and similar antiSemitic, Holocaust denial, conspiracy theorist and other such groups which often seek to identify with USS Liberty and to usurp our story as their own. We repudiate their comments and oppose them in every way. The campaign for accountability for the attack on USS Liberty has no room for hatemongers. We do not wish harm to any country or people; we seek only accountability for the criminal acts perpetrated against us.
On the Israeli side, the group of pro-Israel, anti-American critics of our story, while small, persists in launching loud, vicious ad hominem attacks on anyone who attempts to discuss the deliberateness of the attack. These anti-American apologists refuse to discuss the facts of the case. Instead, they rely on propaganda and charge anyone who questions the Israeli position with being antiSemitic.
For detailed and authoritative accounts of the power and influence of the pro-Israel lobby, please see The Israel Lobby and US Foreign Policy by Mearsheimer and Walt and The Pro-Israel Lobby by Edward Herman.
The Betrayal of American Veterans
Americans who volunteer for military service effectively write a blank check, payable to the United States of America for an amount "up to and including my life." The United States, in turn, promises to spend these checks responsibly. That bargain implicitly includes a promise by the United States to protect them and to seek retribution against anyone who harms them. In the case of USS Liberty, the United States has failed to keep its promise. - monsieurginger, on 05/17/2008, -5/+28http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/JE13Ak01. ...
I also want McCain to lose to Obama. But Obama is just as pro Israel as the majority of Democrats. The whole neocon thing about pushing their pro Israel stance is a hoax since both sides of the aisle support Israel. - GhostyBoy, on 05/17/2008, -3/+26We aren't the same people who are caught up in the Obama hype.
I don't hate or like the guy personally. I just distrust him. He is, after all, a politician. - PhilLesh69, on 05/17/2008, -2/+22You must have a very narrow world view if the only things you ever believe is what you hear from people who actually witnessed or took part in an event.
Have you ever talked to a person who landed on the moon? No? I guess it wouldn't surprise you if it were true, but you won't be convinced.
There are books written about this. There are memorial web sites. There's a wikipedia entry.
Trust me, this happened. The only thing in dispute is the motive of the Israelis in doing so. "It was an accident" is the only reason that cannot be seriously considered, since it went on for several hours. - Minarchian, on 05/17/2008, -23/+42Wow...
Where's Herkimer, Hortnon, jcm and all the other big-government apologists?
I would have thought they would be all over this as some huge conspiracy. - inactive, on 05/17/2008, -3/+22We Washington DC protesters had the great privilege to meet the survivors of the USS Liberty at the "commemoration" at the United States Naval Memorial here in Washington DC last June 8.
Photos:
http://yellowcakewalk.net/2007-06-02 - Ndiggnation, on 05/17/2008, -5/+23I'm not saying whether they did or didn't, I wasn't there, or even born..but hey, it's happened more than once in our past. Gulf of Tonkin, the Maine..
- inactive, on 05/17/2008, -15/+33These men need our support. Please contact them and DO contribute! I do!
- thecoolestguy, on 05/17/2008, -8/+26Uhoh, the Zionists are going to get wind of this, and come in here claiming it was an "accident", and that all the survivors of the USS Liberty, who say that Israel knew it was attacking an American ship, are liars.
Zionists are callous, ridiculous bullies. - ftw420, on 05/17/2008, -5/+23Wow, this is an interesting story
- JohnReb, on 05/17/2008, -8/+25Then why did they attack in Israeli planes with Israeli markings?
And since everyone monitoring the war knew the Egyptian Air Force had been destroyed days before, why did they expect anyone to believe it? - Jimmyb207, on 05/17/2008, -4/+20Because the herks and the horts and the onetimers and the jcms are all over anything where Israel is suspected to be involved.
- JohnReb, on 05/17/2008, -5/+20It wasn't made popularized by Bush after 2001.
It was, in fact, so well known prior to 2001 that the movie "Conspiracy Theory" was made in 1997. - Ndiggnation, on 05/17/2008, -5/+19The make the same point on the ship's memorial page, that it has nothing to do with anti-semitism.
http://www.gtr5.com/ - inactive, on 05/17/2008, -3/+17They don't appease them, they think of creative new ways to pleasure them.
- inactive, on 05/17/2008, -13/+27I always find it hilarious when LadyK paraphrases Herkheimer's nonsense in a way that demonstrates that his shocked outrage is actually generic, scripted JDF/ADL bigot boilerplate.
- inactive, on 05/17/2008, -15/+28Whether he is a conspiracy nut or not, the Israeli Air Force and Navy attempted over the course of a number of hours to sink the USS Liberty and did not retire until a Russian ship steamed into the area.
The excuse that it was a mistake is absolutley unbelievable. The fact that they machine gunned men getting into life rafts is a crime in any case. The American command sent the ship to be sacrificed to hustify an American entry into the war. John McCain's father was complicit in this treasonous, murderous act.
Those are facts. sorry - inactive, on 05/17/2008, -15/+28Why don't you just admit that you hate Muslims and the Muslim faith ..... oh wait, you already did, Mr. "Islam is a gutter religion". Herkle, you are nothing more than a cheap, uneducated, ignorant bigot.
- BohicaTwentyTwo, on 05/17/2008, -9/+22Then why did the offer assistance after attacking?
- mCanada, on 05/17/2008, -6/+18Why is it that when someone posts a documentary on digg, he or she gets dugg down? Are people simply looking for one line responses? Too long to watch?
- Crossmenjeff, on 05/17/2008, -12/+24don't devalue the sacrifice every prisoner of war has made like that. It takes no courage at all to make the comment you did, and of all the things you could have commented on regarding McCain, this is the most disgraceful on your part.
feel free to have your conspiracy theories, just be aware that a lot of people have died or paid dearly despite what you choose to believe. - thecoolestguy, on 05/17/2008, -2/+14Maybe read their accounts, instead of going on the assumption that the Israeli account is true and the survivors' account is a lie. They say there was a huge American flag flying, that the Israeli planes were flying close enough where they could see their faces, etc.
- thecoolestguy, on 05/17/2008, -7/+18They're try to figure out how to excuse the deaths of American servicemen and the cover up of the incident by the Israel lobby.
People like Herkimer actually call the survivors of the USS Liberty liars, that is how little respect they have for America. - Minarchian, on 05/17/2008, -15/+26aaaah Herk. Did this story strike a cord with you?
Your precious Israel is not so Godly as you want everyone to think?
It will be fun watching John "I hate Gooks" "Tarbaby" McCain get his ass whipped this November and the whole neo-con lobby of hate and lies do down the drain.
LOL - inactive, on 05/17/2008, -0/+11I don't have an opinon on Israel except that they've made their bed and they should lie in it. Their problems are theirs. If they didn't have a constant flow of our money coming in, maybe they'd be a bit less arrogant. No I am not anti-semetic, unless you consider someone who considers all religions *****, anti-semetic. That said, I'd love to hear reasons why we should be defending them. In other words, what's in it for us?
- PhilLesh69, on 05/17/2008, -2/+13Who knows.
Maybe they didn't like us snooping on their actions during the six-day war. Maybe they thought they could blame it on the Egyptians to get more support from the US, or get the US to become directly involved. Maybe they were paranoid enough to believe that the Egyptians had the capability of putting their own spy ship out there sheep-dipped to look like an American naval vessel. Maybe they simply refused to listen to the pilots who kept reporting visual confirmation of an American flag being flown on the vessel.
Who really knows. All that can be said is that it was intentional, when you consider they were first torpedoed, then continuously strafed for hours by IAF jets, even after radio contact with the ship had been made. - zacinece, on 05/17/2008, -5/+15Why is he grovelling to the Israelis?
If you are referring to the yarmulke that he is wearing, its required at the Western Wall. - inactive, on 05/17/2008, -43/+53I'm beginning to wonder if McCain actually survived being in the Hanoi Hilton or just another product of military propaganda.
- lazerus9, on 05/17/2008, -3/+13Another view point from some one who should know:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AuE1X94LqlQ
- zerocool1990, on 05/17/2008, -19/+29But it wasn't an accident, the Israelis wanted to frame the Egyptians.
- artemus, on 05/17/2008, -7/+17Have you ever considered providing evidence to "prove" that it is "bull****" Oh, that's right, everything that doesn't line up with your worldview, is automatically false. Well, if you don't want to watch that one, how about this one?
http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=BBC+US+Liber ... - PhilLesh69, on 05/17/2008, -5/+15Herkimer56, how can you say that it is a lie? Is it because you don't like inconvenient facts?
http://www.nsa.gov/liberty/
It happened. Get over yourself and just accept that it happened.
http://www.nsa.gov/liberty/images/Pierside_Malta2. ... - inactive, on 05/17/2008, -6/+16The transcripts between the reluctant IDF pilots (unwilling, to their credit, to shoot Americans) and their shadowy puppet masters (very willing to shoot Americans) establish that the pilots saw the US flag (and the white surrender flag) and demanded confirmation of their orders.
It must suck to be an IDF pilot and have to choose to obey or disobey illegal orders.
"But I was only following orders" isn't the most persuasive argument to Jews. - JohnReb, on 05/17/2008, -8/+17foopirata is simply quoting the article about the Judge. He's one of the sane people.
- inactive, on 05/17/2008, -13/+22When have I ever said anything like "Islam is a gutter religion" when talking about Jews, Hortnon? In fact what have I ever said about Jews, Hortnon?
I always find it hilarious when you idiots make all kinds of accusations labeling me as a bigot with ZERO evidence, and at the same time you remain completely silent about your little buddy, Mr. "Islam is a gutter religion".
You're a hypocrite and a liar, Hortnon. No wonder you and Mr. "Islam is a gutter religion" are BFF. -
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