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- morningmatters, on 03/23/2009, -11/+77Beck and Malkin are entertainers. They have very little experience on the topics which rave about, and they make money off partisan rage. If they had any integrity their "base" would label them "RINOS" and abandon them.
- freedomjoe, on 03/23/2009, -12/+65FTA:
The pent-up frustrations behind conservatism's collapse under Republicans were trumped, however, by the fruits of power, partisan hatred of "the left", defensiveness over the Iraq war and torture, and, above all religious devotion to the Leader. Now that Bush has been removed, the massive damage done, and a pragmatic liberal is trying to sort out the mess in a sane, orderly fashion, they've gone nuts. - poopsybythebay, on 03/23/2009, -10/+59If they are just entertainers you have to ask yourself if they believe what they speak. This only addresses the underpinnings of their rage not necessarily if they believe the bombastic way in which they proclaim that rage. Keith Olbermann the other night on Bill Maher's show said that Shawn Hannity laughed with him privately about how people believed they hated each other. So, you have to ask yourself if these deep seated angers are only real in the sense that they have lost power--that they do not really hate Obama or think he is horrible, but that they no longer are very powerful.
- ShoggothDreams, on 03/23/2009, -12/+60This.Needs.To.Be.Read!
- eco57, on 03/24/2009, -15/+63They just need to move on thru the five stages of grief. They're still stuck on '2'.
1. Denial (election night and for the next few days)
2. Anger (now)
3. Bargaining
4. Depression
5. Acceptance
They'll eventually get over it. - inactive, on 03/24/2009, -5/+46Oh, and just wait for the Republicans to get back in power. I guaran-*****-tee you that they will go right back to their old ***** and calling anyone who questions their authority a terrorist.
- JenniferInMO, on 03/24/2009, -8/+46Actually, I think they are stuck in the middle between 1 and 2. The denial is still strong.
- kukyona, on 03/24/2009, -9/+45FTA: "Let’s call the “tea party” and “going Galt” nonsense what it is: unprincipled partisan hackery. If these were truly principled protests, they’d have been around all through the Bush and Republican-controlled Congress years, too."
Many of those who know what "going Galt" actually means, at the very least myself, were protesting Bush and the Republican congress. - joand315, on 03/24/2009, -9/+39They are still really angry about FDR, eco57. I don't think they know how to get past #2.
- angusm, on 03/24/2009, -6/+31Nice try, Andrew, but you failed to learn the key lessons of the Bush years:
- Hysterical fear-mongering trumps calm reason
- Noisy histrionics trump consistent principles and actual ethics
Malkin, Beck and the others are essentially rabble-rousers. Their goal and their MO is to get people worked up (which is easier and more lucrative than trying to get people to think). Calling it "bizarre" when people like Malkin pander to a self-styled "conservative" president and then try to whip up hostility to a liberal president is a little like calling it "bizarre" when rain makes things wet. - tdclark23, on 03/24/2009, -1/+22While wracking up deficits, growing government, abridging the Bill of Rights, increasing the rights of corporations and shipping jobs to countries with virtual slave labor.
- revscat, on 03/24/2009, -8/+29The only problem with labelling them as "entertainers" is that it dismisses the damage they have caused to the country.
- JenniferInMO, on 03/24/2009, -7/+26They don't like anyone who succeeds in providing opportunities for the regular guy.
- Crazyredivan, on 03/24/2009, -0/+19To add to that:
"So these posturing opportunists didn't just sit back and play partisan games as Bush made left-liberalism inevitable and, in some respects, necessary as a response to this crisis of negligence, they now get to rant and rage as if they and Bush had nothing to do with this. But they did. They were critically part of the problem, enabling and abetting most of the (unconservative) policies that gave us this crisis."
If people want to exclaim that Bush was not a conservative by definition (and, I believe they have a strong case to say that), then they need to truly, objectively look at his record, see that his leadership is not the way Republicans/conservatives want to be portrayed, and begin to move forward in a positive direction. We need dissenting views to make a stronger country.
However, hearing pundits scream at each other and rant over who is killing the party/how Commie is Obama today/Obama's killed the country in 3 months may be fun internet fodder but it isn't solving anything. - sleestakslayer, on 03/24/2009, -10/+28Glenn Beck is an unabashed douche. He acts like he cares about people and then hawks gold coins during his commercials. To me, this is some sort of bizarre contempt he must have toward his listeners.
- inactive, on 03/24/2009, -0/+17The problem is, the conservatives' primary advantage has always been their ability to present a unified front. They don't have to deal with the in-fighting that has generally plagued the liberals. Sure, they have disagreements, but they don't usually let those get in the way of rallying together to support a single candidate.
So, the idea of turning on one of their own is a bit foreign to them. They're really struggling with it - hell, I mean look how they're handling Bush - they basically claim to disown him, but God help you if you criticize something that he did, because they'll jump in with fists flyin'. - Apokalyps2547, on 03/24/2009, -1/+18Yeah.
See: 'birthers' - ColinCampbell, on 03/24/2009, -3/+19No, it isn't. Calling Sullivan a Republican would be similar. The Republican Party as a whole, and most of those within it, isn't conservative in any sense of the word. Sullivan is a conservative.
- tdclark23, on 03/24/2009, -4/+18...of course their low numbers make the banging very muffled.
- pbarney, on 03/24/2009, -1/+14You're confusing "conservative" with "republican."
Republicans are partisan hacks. Conservatives are leaving that party in droves, and rightly so.
Common sense has all but evaporated in D.C., and I think we need to return to the days of citizen legislators, when people like farmers, butchers or bakers represented us. - razor150, on 03/24/2009, -2/+14Typical right-wing douche-beggary, it's all Clinton's fault!
Clinton ignored Al Qaida? Is that why everytime he did something to attack them Republicans would sit back and yell "Wag the Dog"? Or when the Clinton White House warned the incoming Bush admin of the growing threat from Al Qaida the Bush people just ignored it. It must be Clinton's fault that Bush responded to the report that might have prevented 9-11 with a "Okay, you guys covered your asses." Sounds like Bush took Al Qaida really seriously, so much so it is all Clinton's fault.
"Affirmative action mortgages" have very little to do with today's crisis, and it was a policy in place before Clinton was even in office. What mostly cost the collapse was the credit default swaps. Those are the things that killed the banks and AIG. Under self-regulating Capitalism places like AIG would never insure and give AAA ratings to bad loans, except they did because they could make a ***** load of money in the short term. Doing that bankrupted them and the banks they insured loans for. It wasn't Fanny Mae and Freddy Mac that bankrupted AIG, Capital One, Bank of America, etc, etc. The policies that allowed things like that happen occurred under Bush and Clinton, but they also started under Reagan. This mess is 30 years in the making. - inactive, on 03/24/2009, -1/+12I don't doubt that there are certainly people like you out there. However, you have others that hide behind that image because it's not really the best climate to be saying "Look, it's not that I have a problem blowing a trillion dollars that we don't have, I'd just rather it'd be spent on another war."
- phramus, on 03/24/2009, -2/+13Well said.
- Hetman, on 03/24/2009, -4/+14Only in America could someone even claim that bush is close to being left leaning. In most countries there conservatism is equal to are liberalism.
- omgwtflawl, on 03/24/2009, -12/+22Libertarians have been banging on about Bush for years.
http://www.reason.com/news/show/32978.html - johnnyg113, on 03/24/2009, -0/+10@thcobbs
I didn't digg you down, because what you say is true (at least to some extent). But it's hard to compare people complaining about Bush losing and the birthers. I mean, Bush legitimately lost the popular vote, and the 2000 election was decided by the Supreme Court. There was a lot of shady stuff going on, and we'll never actually know who really won Florida. But this is a legitimate reason to be upset (especially 8 years later looking at all the damage that was done). Now compare this to the conspiracy nut birthers, not quite the same. - DangerCollie, on 03/24/2009, -2/+12Best line:
"They were critically part of the problem, enabling and abetting most of the (unconservative) policies that gave us this crisis. Rather than address that fact, which would require a certain amount of introspection and self-criticism (when did you last hear that from Malkin or Reynolds?), they pump up the outrage. "
The "they" he's talking about is you right wingers. You throwing rocks at President Obama. It's your failure to admit you're mostly to blame for the current mess we're in. - Velvolver, on 03/24/2009, -1/+11It's because he knows they're gullible idiots.
- LiquidIse, on 03/24/2009, -6/+15What we need is the Brutal Truth about that video.
I will start by admitting that was some of the highest budget short film I have seen in some time, complete with THX level sound effects and killer video transitions. Also, whennnn did we get the technology to put a picture of a donkey upside down?!?!?!? - inactive, on 03/24/2009, -4/+13Blech's show in a nutshell - "PANIC! FEAR! GET YOUR GUNS! REOLVUTION!"
- Velvolver, on 03/24/2009, -9/+18They break the dishes, then blame the guy holding the broom to clean it up.
This mindset is deep set in the reich wingers I live/work/interact with on a daily basis. Nothing can persuade them their party did wrong or the people on fox news are gaming them for money.
There is no hope for the right. - revscat, on 03/24/2009, -9/+18Libertarians also bitch about catalytic converters.
Who gives a *****? - ClosedCaption, on 03/24/2009, -1/+10Isnt it great that the party of personal responsibility find themselves responsible for nothing.
It's like the Bush years never happened, and the same ones that defended him and his policies now claim that Bush wasnt conservative at all. That's weird, why would a conservative support policies that are unconservative? And why do conservative policies differ so much from conservative ideas? - dagnabbit, on 03/24/2009, -4/+13Is Malkin's website getting more hits now or something? Beck has gone off the deep end for sure (he was always pretty loony) but Malkin is just as crazy today as she's always been.
- inactive, on 03/24/2009, -4/+12"Going Galt" is for childish people living in a fantasy world. I expect something like this from such a group.
- Crazyredivan, on 03/24/2009, -0/+7Macweirdo: I completely agree with that view of their current situation. I guess I just wish they'd keep the rancor steered towards themselves rather than aiming it all over the place. It just feels like they are a bunch of kids right now, finger pointing and saying "You can't do that...just 'cause I said so" and not giving any real alternatives. It just seems that this is too important a moment and opportunity for the focus to be on the breakdown of the Republican party- as fun as it is to watch.
- jsffive, on 03/24/2009, -0/+7The very fact that Keith Olbermann and Sean Hannity can sit in the same room, and laugh together, should be very telling about the duplicitous nature of their "convictions"...
To contrast this, can you imagine Edward R. Murrow and Joe McCarthy sitting in a room, laughing with each other?
The truth is, NEITHER side truly "believes' in anything, except saying those things that keep their patrons in power. They are PLAYING the American people... and it's absolutely reprehensible. - morningmatters, on 03/24/2009, -1/+7"Isn't Malkin a Rhodes scholar? I've always wondered why she behaves like a child."
According to Wikipedia Michelle Malkin's husband was a Rhodes scholar and a "former economist for RAND corp", but "as of 2004, Jesse was a stay-at-home dad raising their two children". Apparently living off a sugar momma is a lot better than being a conservative economist. - emkaysmith, on 03/24/2009, -1/+7"that the proper moral purpose of one's life is the pursuit of one's own happiness or rational self-interest; that the only social system consistent with this morality is full respect for individual rights, embodied in pure laissez-faire capitalism"
Looking Out for Number One is not consistent with "full respect for individual rights." Rand-ism is just anti-social, xenophobic greed and selfishness. What a political philosophy prof of mine used to call "shoot the other guy so he won't use up all your air."
What really cracks me up is when I hear some media evangelist type promoting "objectivism" and "pure capitalism" as Christian virtue. - RetiredMidn, on 03/24/2009, -7/+12Where are all those bumper stickers that say "Dissent is patriotic"?
- DDRSkata, on 03/24/2009, -0/+5If by "destroys liberal *****," you mean, "spouts off nonsense that makes conservatives look stupid, backwards, and racist" (and don't pull that "she can't be racist because she's a minority" ***** a lot of Malkin apologists like to use, because it simply isn't true), well, then, yeah. She definitely does.
- m3arvk, on 03/24/2009, -2/+7It's simple: many people support people or groups instead of the ideas which they pretend to stand for. Even when the group's views shift dramatically the supporters do not re-evaluate their support because they identify more strongly with a group than it's purported ideals.
Politics has become a popularity contest instead of an ideological discourse. Lies and distortions are used because the American public believes them. Why strive for logical consistency or adherence to purported ideologies when only a handful of people actually care about such things?
In the final analysis, it is the people of this nation and their stupidity who will have destroyed it. - Velvolver, on 03/24/2009, -0/+4Oh no, I was all well to aware of it. Infact most dems were. It's the right that's unaware of what reality is.
- jsffive, on 03/24/2009, -1/+5No. It. Doesn't.
Andrew Sullivan is one of those people who popularized the Iraq war, and then "changed" his mind when he saw which way the wind was blowing, and only after there was nothing that could be done to stop it.
He's one of the liars for the political elites, and as long as he keeps spouting the company line, and as long as people like YOU continue giving him validity, he'll continue doing so. - LeaveMomAlone, on 03/24/2009, -2/+6@kukyona: Funny, I never heard anyone talk about "going Galt" while Bush was in the white house.
- emkaysmith, on 03/24/2009, -2/+6"Calling Sullivan a conservative is akin to calling Lieberman a Democrat."
Absolutely. Because Sullivan is the sort of thoughtful, though conservative, person you could actually sit down over a beer and have a civilized argument with. Whereas it has become perfectly clear that 21st Century American Conservatives are Bible-thumping, Palin-worshipping, evolution-denying, gun-cocking, Limbaugh-quoting, intellectual cyphers who think Bush and Cheney should both be canonized. And that anyone who disagrees with them is a liberal socialist atheist terrorist.
And no, I don't think I'm exaggerating. - inactive, on 03/24/2009, -2/+6I assume you're referring to the CRA. While I'm not denying it played some role here, keep in mind that the majority of the bad loans made had absolutely nothing to do with it. What it really boils down to is that everyone - the people taking the bad mortgages, the lenders, the investors - all of these people were chasing the illusion of free money.
- Crazyredivan, on 03/24/2009, -7/+11I was against pretty much everything Bush and the Republican congress did, but please explain to me how "going Gault" and disengaging from society and the workforce will help anything?
Rand wrote as a counterpoint to her upbringing in the Stalinist Soviet Union. Her concepts of "objectivism" and "virtues of selfishness" were a direct result of the oppressive dictatorship.
Objectivism: "that the proper moral purpose of one's life is the pursuit of one's own happiness or rational self-interest; that the only social system consistent with this morality is full respect for individual rights, embodied in pure laissez-faire capitalism"
How has the pursuit of one's own happiness or rational self-interest benefited society recently? This is the time to join together and help your fellow man, not withdraw more into selfishness. - ETBuzz, on 03/24/2009, -0/+4Wow this is nothing like what the republicans sounded like 8 years ago. The two groups are completely different. (extreme sarcasm)
realize that neither party represents the people's wishes. Republican and Democrat are both working together and are equally to blame for our current situation. we need to eliminate political parties all together. They have done nothing but distract us from real solutions to real problems. - inactive, on 03/24/2009, -2/+5It's a really interesting concept he puts out: all the rage they are directing at Obama is actually the rage they felt for Bush, they just couldn't vent against him becuase he was on of theirs. So that's how you have such massive hatred in the first two months. That's how to them this recession started once Obama was elected. It was only then that they could actually look at Bush's policies, and blame them on Obama. That and Clinton from 8 years ago.
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