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- Batfishy, on 06/12/2009, -9/+74This is ***** -
"Obama “not only identifies with Muslims, but actually may still be one himself,” and that in any case he has “aligned himself” with the radical Muslim Brotherhood."
What would be the point if it weren't to stir up hatred and create doubt? Why print this? - ThsGuyRightHere, on 06/12/2009, -9/+62Tell ya what, when a liberal extremist opens fire in a church, you're welcome to blame MSNBC if you can find material they've aired that comes anywhere near the level of distortion, divisiveness, and absolute loss of contact with reality that Fox kicks out.
- Eichenator, on 06/12/2009, -18/+53BURIED - already hit front page
http://digg.com/political_opinion/The_Big_Hate - jezsik, on 06/12/2009, -4/+37Feel free to pick apart Krugman's article and justify Fox's position.
- scottknick, on 06/12/2009, -6/+37For the love of god STOP LYING ABOUT JAMES VON BRUNN! The moron was a Birther, a Fed-hater and a Free Republic habitué. He hated Bush for the same reason all the dead-enders now claim to hate him -- because he wasn't a "true" conservative. You know all this. Von Brunn published a huge amount of his political spewings. To claim he was even remotely a leftist is a bald-faced deliberate lie, an attempt to avoid responsibility for the outcome of your ideology.
And it is another truly disgusting lie to suggest that anti-semitism is some how leftist. 78% of Jews voted for Barack Obama.
http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/results/polls/#va ...
Sixty percent of American Jews define themselves as either "left of center" or "liberal Democrats"
http://www.jewishdatabank.org/Reports/American_Jew ...
Or is your suggestion that Jews are just too stupid to understand that they overwhelmingly support antisemitism? - jrhinlb, on 06/12/2009, -12/+42I'm conflicted though, on one hand I hope the GOP lets these nuts pull their wagon for as long as possible. On the other its scary to think what happens when they gain power again.
- DankBuddz, on 06/12/2009, -0/+23The fact that people really think it would matter if he is Muslim or not is the scary part.
The entire premise of that article is primitive and shameful to a civilized race of intelligent people. - scottknick, on 06/12/2009, -2/+24"James von Brunn couldn't be a more typical example of the left today." This is a lie.
- stackolee, on 06/12/2009, -12/+34Buried. This is already on the eff'n front page, in the top stories no less.
- JoeMondo, on 06/12/2009, -12/+31Plenty of hard-righters are Jew-hating, Bush-hating.
What a stupid piece of work you are. - JoeMondo, on 06/12/2009, -6/+24And yet you call him a "typical example of the left", you lying tool.
Yeah a leftist Birther who hates the Democratic President.
You're not fooling anyone. - RogueGenius, on 06/12/2009, -7/+23It's true it's obvious, but we need to start stating the obvious. When you only hear lies (which is now a constant clatter from the Right) and you don't hear what is obviously true, you begin to doubt yourself. This needs said, LOUD!
- pyg13, on 06/12/2009, -1/+16@PJ - I read your quoted reference. My problem with them is that two are from non-news channel people and should not count (2 actors) and the rest (except Maher) do indeed speak of death/murder/etc., but do not in any way promulgate such actions. Some statements go over the top (for me) for a news agency - in their imagery or tone - but not in the underlying validity of the issue. Had we not gone to war in Iraq, there would have thousands fewer deaths of American service persons - not to mention Iraqis.
- jezsik, on 06/12/2009, -8/+20Newsbusters? "Exposing and Combating Liberal Media Bias"? Seriously, dude, you really need to stop watching Fox and do a bit of your own research rather than swallowing the Republican talking points.
- Batfishy, on 06/12/2009, -2/+13PJ - that's not really justifying Fox. But I see your point.
I'm not one of those types who cannot see fault in my allies. - digitalArtform, on 06/12/2009, -5/+16Good point. He sounds more like a libertarian.
:D - deathyepl, on 06/12/2009, -0/+11Good thing we're not a civilized race of intelligent people then, innit? ;-)
- WasabiBomb, on 06/12/2009, -5/+16Highways.
- RatatRatR, on 06/12/2009, -3/+14Most of those left-wing quotes on the Newsbusters page are pretty accurate descriptions of the blood shed in the wars started during the Bush administration. We know that the deaths caused by the Iraq war were all for completely spurious reasons sold to us in large part by these right-wing "news" outlets Krugman is talking about. The Afghanistan ones are more debatable but certainly still debatable. To say that the administration had blood on its hands really wasn't all that outrageous.
The Olbermann quote about Fox News being as dangerous as the KKK is just another way of stating what this Krugman article is pointing out, which is still valid until convincingly countered.
It's pretty laughable of them to put the "Bonnie interviewing Clyde" one in there. It's quite an accurate description of the way right-wing networks softball and mollycoddle right-wing guests. It wasn't literally an accusation of having committed "Bonnie and Clyde" style violence; it clearly meant that they wouldn't be called out for any misdeeds by people who have cheerled for them every step of the way.
The Krugman article was much more convincing than the Newsbusters article. - mrswirl, on 06/12/2009, -2/+13Social Security, US Military, national highway system, the Internet, Medicare/Medicaid, National Parks, Air traffic control, public school system, electrical grid, clean water, clean air, food safety, drug safety, federal, state, and local police, fire departments, hospitals, and on and on and on....
All brought to you by way of government.
Need more? - FredFredrickson, on 06/12/2009, -2/+12Conservatives need to start denouncing this *****, and distancing themselves from those who speak lies just for the sake of having something bad to say about the opposition. Until they do this, we're going to continue seeing crap like this, and it's going to get worse.
But if anything more monumental ever happens and it can plainly be blamed on the ***** over at FNC stoking the flames, I hope there is some sort of retaliation on their organization. We can't run a peaceful country when these buffoons are constantly probing some of the dopiest people in the society into hate-fueled violence. - verticalconserv, on 06/12/2009, -5/+14What do we know about the shooter?
1. He hated Israel.
2. He hated Jews
3. He denied the holocaust.
4. He wants to give Israel over to Palestine.
5. Believed George Bush was behind the 9/11 attacks.
6. He hated Neocons.
7. He hated the Fed.
8. He hated blacks.
Now the question is was he liberal or conservative? - sigmaman2, on 06/12/2009, -3/+12Liberal is Conservative
War is Peace
Freedom is Slavery
Ignorance is Strength - hipnerd, on 06/12/2009, -1/+10WE should go back to someone who actually reduce the size of government -- like Clinton.
Reagan, Bush Sr. and Bush Jr. all dramatically increased the size and scope of the Federal government. Obama will be hard press to match their records, especially with the economy that Bush left him.
Your anger is misdirected. - Craig304958, on 06/12/2009, -2/+10Silly question. He was a lunatic. Liberals and conservatives have consistent philosophies, sometimes or even often based on informed opinion. The only consistent thing about the shooter was that he hated. He was 'way below the threshold of being either liberal or conservative. It's more important to take a look at what wound him up. So okay, what's the main channel for political anger in the U.S. that he'd likely have been exposed to? Lemme think...
- Batfishy, on 06/12/2009, -2/+10Well, the quotes were real.
- LMN8R, on 06/12/2009, -12/+20This is really all you need to know (watch the first couple minutes)
http://www.thedailyshow.com/video/index.jhtml?vide ...
I mean, how ***** deliberate can you get? How can it be any more plainly obvious that these pieces of ***** want to do nothing but twist and distort the entire presidential administration to instill fear into the people and insight riots in the stupid? - sbernhardt, on 06/12/2009, -3/+11Is this a serious question? Anti-govt racists typically (as in 99.99% of the time) cluster on the right-wing. If someone bombs animal labs and stuff, you can assume they are left-wingers.
- PJNagrom, on 06/12/2009, -5/+13Why do you think I read the NYT op-ed writers? I'm obviously looking at both sides. Are you?
And yes - the quotes are real. - JROXZ, on 06/12/2009, -2/+10Consider this... All those kids from the documentary Jesus Camp will be reaching voting age sooner than you think. What then?
- JHW539, on 06/12/2009, -10/+18When you add in Adkisson, Rudolph, McVeigh, and Roeder, and note that ONLY right wing extremists have murdered people in the US motivated by their political beliefs, it is rational to start to wonder why right wing extremists are murderers while left wing extremists are vandals (criminal too, but quite a lesser degree).
- LMN8R, on 06/12/2009, -1/+9If it's the same article linked to, why the heck *shouldn't* I post the exact same comment?
And you apparently missed this reply to the "convenience" of what I "ignored":
"The rest of the segment showed the other news channels suck, but no one else was outright distorting the truth (read: LYING)." - m3arvk, on 06/12/2009, -2/+9The problem, as I see it, with these "conversations" is that neither the right nor the left concede anything; it is merely an exercise in mud throwing. I don't think anyone can objectively say Fox News isn't full of ***** but there's some of the same from the left; however to a lesser degree. I'm willing to concede that but the right never wants to concede that Fox News, for the most part, is full of *****, just like they don't like confronting the immensity of failure that was the Bush administration. It seems to me that being wrong involves not being able to admit that one is wrong; it that spirit I will say that I'm not happy with Obama's first months but a lot of it is carry-over from the Bush years.
- kemp34, on 06/12/2009, -22/+29Blame as many people as possible for the actions of a nut INDIVIDUAL.
- diggduggDOOM, on 06/12/2009, -1/+8"the pot-smoking liberals who ~invented~ paranoia"
"No reason to demonize..."
So, which is it? To demonize or not? - bbtweb, on 06/12/2009, -0/+7ummm the Patriot Act was a Republican brainchild....
- Hetman, on 06/12/2009, -10/+16You can drop out of society any time you want. There are numerous groups in america that do not pay taxes do to religious beliefes and are not regulated for the most part by the government. The amish is a good example of this. If you want you have the ability to do this.
- treehugger87, on 06/12/2009, -2/+8Flux, thanks for coming in an representing the AIPAC view. You don't seem to be able to distinguish between the United States holding Israel responsible for its actions and turning its back on them. If I punish my son for something he does I'm not exactly turning my back on him am I?
- Disastrophe, on 06/12/2009, -0/+6Everything you know is wrong!
Up is down, black is white, and short is long. - JoeQuixote, on 06/12/2009, -2/+8misogyny: "There was, but unfortunately he managed to escape the flames and continue to post on digg."
isnt that the type of hate speech you are blaming conservatives for using? wishing for death of those who disagree with you? - bjornski, on 06/12/2009, -1/+6I'm sorry, but I don't see Hollywood or the mainstream-media screaming "That socialist ***** wants to take our guns away!"
Your attempt at re-direction fails. - howclever, on 06/13/2009, -0/+5More than 10 million people tuned in to watch the latest Jon + Kate + 8 episode... civi-what? Intelli-who?
- induren, on 06/12/2009, -3/+8Church bombings, abortion clinic attacks, and anti-Jew attacks were down in the Bush II years. As the wingnuts saw it, "one of their own," was in office. He wasn't one of them, but that's what they felt.
The servers of the websites of 2 white supremacist groups crashed the day after Obama was elected (oh my god that is a terribly worded sentence).
That kind of violence will drop when the GOP gains power again. - TriTech, on 06/13/2009, -0/+5Whether the republicans are in or out of out of power, they always preach hate. When Cheney was running the country, anyone who disagreed was a traitor. Now that we have a Democrat as president, they have to step up the hatred to have a voice and try to further divide the country. Creating those divisions is their only hope to win in the mid-term elections and in 2012. They can't do it on the wonderful record of the last presidency and the outstanding job of the last republican controlled congress.
As for Limbaugh, hatred and ridicule have always been his method. - enantiodromia, on 06/12/2009, -3/+8well by then I expect half of them to be living on the streets addicted to heroin and/or booze, and the other half will be dead from STDs, so, we probably don't have much to worry about.
- hipnerd, on 06/12/2009, -2/+7Perhaps, but his motivations at this point are unclear. Just having violent anti-government sentiment does not necessarily make you a leftest, ask Timothy McVeigh. And if the reasoning was connected to radical Islam, that puts it far outside the scope of the American "left/right" divide. In general, the Taliban, al queda, etc. are extremely conservative. They certainly aren't liberal on social issues, economic issues, rights for women, rights for gays, religious freedoms, etc.
I don't think this means anything when discussing conservatism in America, though. The worldview is too radically different. I'm betting that this guy does not have a bunch of liberal tendencies. Probably the opposite. But we'll see. - hipnerd, on 06/12/2009, -1/+61. The PATRIOT ACT was conceived byt Bush and passed by a Republican Congress.
2. Krugman doesn't say that having sentiments makes you a terrorist, but shooting people you disagree with sure does.
3. Massive government spending got us out of the first Great Depression, it's probably the only thing that will work to get us out of Bush's mess. At any rate, Obama's new programs only account for 3% of the budget deficit. The rest is Bush and/or programs like Medicaid and Social Security that are going haywire as the Baby Boomers age. - TheSwashbuckler, on 06/12/2009, -8/+13Didn't take long for the moonbats to defend Faux...
- drazen77, on 06/12/2009, -5/+10Before WWI society was doing just fine without large federal government intervention into the daily lives of the populace.
Having 50% of the population pay virtually no taxes and/or receive assistance without paying into the system will only serve to destroy the foundations on which this country was built.
So when he mentions collectivists, you among them apparently, he is right. The laws of nature and of the founding principles of this country state that you are on your own to survive.
As for "few individuals actually can" is *****. There are many people, such as myself, who have faced hard times and not had to lean on anyone, govt. or otherwise, to make ends meet and to pull ahead.
And no, you cannot drop out of society anytime you want to... the IRS clearly states that this will not be tolerated. The secret service clearly states (in their actions) that you can't use 3rd party (read: NOT FOREIGN) currency within the U.S. There are probably about 20 other govt. agencies that plainly state you cannot simply "drop" out of society at any time you wish. You are a fool and a tool. - nolson8, on 06/13/2009, -0/+5Please understand that there are more conservatives than those who insulate themselves in and hide behind Limbaugh or Fox. There are conservatives readily willing to admit major faults with Bush, and more than willing to praise Obama. I know far more rational, good-natured conservatives than the few exceptions to the rule. And it is an internecine, infantile battle that attempts to paint all conservatives as obscurantist conspirators.
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