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- elijahyossie, on 11/09/2009, -16/+507What a nice chap he must be - he only refrains from rape for fear of punishment.
- ThsGuyRightHere, on 11/09/2009, -2/+337"The measure of a man's character is what he would do if he knew he never would be found out."
- Apokalyps2547, on 11/09/2009, -13/+249People capable of BASIC rational thought can conclude that civilization is impossible without a code of laws. These laws must primarily serve to protect the well-being of the People. That's why, in every civilization, there are laws against murder, theft, and so forth.
Religion serves as a guide to the simpletons who cannot come to these obvious conclusions. DavidNiven needs to be told that there's an invisible sky magician who would punish him horribly for not following these basic rules. - oriondr, on 11/10/2009, -7/+201Weird, so he's basically a rapist, but instead of jail holding him from raping people, it's his faith.
I think maybe we should put him in jail just to make sure.
"Morality is doing what's right, despite what you are told. Religion is doing what you're told, despite what is right." - stonecircle, on 11/09/2009, -15/+202I couldn't make it through his entire rant. I am so sick of these folks who think that Christians have the market cornered on morals, and that they're the only ones who know the difference between right and wrong. Did he miss the part about, "Judge not lest ye be judged" ?
- RentalCanoe, on 11/09/2009, -8/+148How sad, David. You actually believe no one is capable of moral thinking without guidance from God? You seem to approach the question with the mind of an 8-year-old.
- jjustin01, on 11/09/2009, -4/+135I don't believe in God and yet I don't rape,murder or do whatever I want, whenever I want. Hitler believed in God and he murdered by the masses.
Explain that one. - iDiggYa, on 11/09/2009, -2/+133All that stands between him and rape is ... his religion? Something doesn't sound right.
- inactive, on 11/09/2009, -10/+96I'm not one to put words in people's fingers, but I'm pretty sure when you say people need religion, you're actually saying that people need Christianity.
I'm a Buddhist of over 15 years, and I can tell you that all the main branches of Buddhism are atheistic in the classic definition. In other words, we don't believe in a God, and Buddha is definitely not a God to us. That's Atheism, and it's @500 years older than Christianity.
If you still need a daddy in the sky telling you what to do as a full grown (and I'm taking a chance here on Digg presuming you are one) - hey, fine - I'm not one to judge. I'm also not one to rape or kill or lie or steal. Maybe I was just raised right in the first place. - Apokalyps2547, on 11/09/2009, -5/+88DavidNiven believes the myth that Hitler was atheist, despite there being zero evidence behind that claim and mountains of evidence against it.
Kinda like creationism. - ban1d0, on 11/10/2009, -2/+8580% of the population of Sweden does not believe in a god. More than half of the population of scandinavian countries does not believe in a god.
And yet they are not raping everyone there, in fact, they have a better quality of life, free heathcare, and significantly LESS CRIME.
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……….,-‘ ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ;’, , , , , , , , ,’~---~’’ , , , , , ,’ ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ;’, DETAILS, DETAILS... - BlaculasFro, on 11/10/2009, -1/+79PEOPLE WHO TALK REALLY LOUD AND INTERRUPT OTHERS ARE ALWAYS RIGHT.
- Apokalyps2547, on 11/09/2009, -5/+77Should I be digging the post to raise awareness of the blatant hypocrisy of the street preacher, or burying it because the message is so flawed?
- SpazAttack5000, on 11/10/2009, -2/+67Best quote ever.
- gordonj, on 11/09/2009, -4/+66yeah, a retarded 8 year old.
- Bobby1978, on 11/09/2009, -8/+67It does? How?
- screensnot, on 11/10/2009, -0/+52No, Cerebron. Most people don't rape, because we have a conscience. We couldn't hurt somebody like that, because we would feel extremely bad about ourselves.
In the USA (and most other countries), for the few people that are capable of raping, we made laws against it. If you rape or commit other wrongs, we will hunt you down and punish you. We do not consult the bible to determine if your actions are wrong. We go by the laws that we have spent over 2 centuries building. - absurdist, on 11/09/2009, -6/+57More of the same from David. When you look at his comment history, you see that he genuinely believes that without the threat of eternal damnation, he has no reason to check his behavior in any way. The concepts of community and enlightened self-interest have no meaning for him without an authoritarian deity to keep his most base impulses in line. Sad, but unfortunately all too common.
- alphgeek, on 11/10/2009, -2/+52This maggot is one of Ray "bananaman" Comfort's flock of sheep. You can see Ray scuttling around in the background from 1:13.
Ray of course is imfamous for saying that the banana is proof of God's existence - nutritious, fits in the hand, etc.
Of course he was ignorant of the fact that the modern banana is heavily cultivated using the same evolutionary techniques that he claims do not exist. - sigmaman2, on 11/10/2009, -2/+50I'M SORRY BLACULASFRO, I'MMA LET YOU FINISH, BUT KANYE WEST IS THE GREATEST PROOF OF YOUR POINT OF ALL TIME!!
- ban1d0, on 11/10/2009, -1/+4880% of the population of Sweden does not believe in a god. More than half of the population of scandinavian countries does not believe in a god.
And yet they are not raping everyone there, in fact, they have a better quality of life, free heathcare, and significantly LESS CRIME.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_athei ... - Ghostwo, on 11/10/2009, -1/+43Oldie but a goodie:
http://www.mrwiggleslovesyou.com/comics/rehab477.j ... - oriondr, on 11/10/2009, -4/+44Wait wait wait... he's arguing that for ATHEISTS "truth" is subjective? hahahaha that's hilarious.
- rocknog, on 11/10/2009, -3/+43If you argue that God is the only thing preventing you from raping others, you're also arguing that God is the only reason you have a problem with others raping you.
- Batfishy, on 11/09/2009, -3/+43Perhaps David Niven would be able to explain why atheists are under represented in the prison population when compared to the general population?
I don't think so, though. - Anomaly100, on 11/09/2009, -6/+45This guy really likes to talk about rape A LOT. Also, he does not represent my faith. Actually, he makes me want to smack his smug delusional look off his face, but I can't, I'm a Christian. (And, he looks crazy. Never smack a crazy person!)
Really though, how smug did this guy look?! He is not helping his "cause." - PatrickBrown, on 11/10/2009, -0/+39@Cerebron
You can determine your own morality. As an atheist, I do it every day. Indeed, I would argue that every subscriber of any religion in the world has determined his or her own morality by subscribing to somebody else's morality (that religion's morality came from some human along the way).
There are many philosophies on morality and the perception of good vs bad. Educate yourself with an intro philosophy class (and yes, your philosophy would be covered in such a class as well). - dylanrob, on 11/09/2009, -8/+46Morality != Religion, and vice versa.
- CaptOblivious, on 11/09/2009, -0/+37I went with the blatant hypocrisy answer myself.
- BrianD2, on 11/10/2009, -0/+37Dugg for not seeing it coming for once.
- sizzzzlerz, on 11/10/2009, -3/+40As a former 8-year old, I resent being compared against this jebus-saturated numbskull. Eight-year olds have far more reasoning power.
- kaelyiesta, on 11/10/2009, -3/+39Like most people commenting on this thread and on that video, you miss his point. He is asserting that lacking some inevitable punishment, people do that which is socially acceptable to get away with. He used a poor example of rape since he is in a country that teaches that rape is bad. However, in a country where it is socially acceptable to beat your wife, you would be able to get away with it(which shows a flaw in his own claim since people do in fact do bad things even believing in religious consequences). In a country where copying intellectual property is acceptable, people will do it. In a country where indirectly taking money from others is acceptable, people will do it. In a society where slavery is acceptable, people will own slaves. In a society where it is wrong for minors to have sex, people will disapprove of it. I can go on and on. Simply saying you wouldn't rape someone because it's you know it's wrong fails to consider that our society teaches you this(unless you 'know' it's wrong through some deduction like I mention in the next paragraph). His point isn't about rape, but about moral absolutism.
Of course, he is still wrong but just not for the popular reasons in this thread, which looks to society for morality(and breaks because it falls into moral relativism). The solution is to provide the framework for a universal morally preferable behavior, some absolute set of morals grounded not in the whims of a society, but on more fundamental rules of nature and humanity. Mill's Harm Principle is a good example of such a solution, but it is hardly the only one. You could go with Kant's model(which I absolutely detest and see many contradictions with) or any of the extrapolations from Mill's concept of utility. Moral absolutism can in fact come from secular solutions, based on reasoning about epistemology, metaphysics, and ethics. So, whether we've completely solved the solution or not, that's the real answer he would not have been able to refute. - oriondr, on 11/10/2009, -5/+41Yes, he did say that.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xv5LG4vLOpk#t=1m56
Dude in crowd: "Do you seriously want to rape someone if you can get away with it?"
Moron standing on soapbox: "If I can get away with it, why not?" - nullcodes, on 11/10/2009, -8/+44Just the sort of person God would want in heaven.
- aesur, on 11/10/2009, -5/+39morality in atheists doesn't come from simple preference. It's built up from logic and societal contracts.
- i23Photography, on 11/10/2009, -8/+39He looks about 19... Must be Glenn Beck's rape child
- uncleosbert, on 11/09/2009, -4/+34exactly... the fact that he thinks religion actually does the job is what makes religion so creepy. if your religion tells you to make your daughter marry her rapist, then that must be a good and right thing to do, right?
and if you happen to notice that she's screaming and crying about marrying this random bastard, that's like wrong or something. you're questioning god's plan. - yocouchdigga, on 11/10/2009, -11/+40I literally felt sick listening to this deluded maniac. Truly disgusting behavior...
- SaladCactusKing, on 11/10/2009, -2/+31Crazy ***** is crazy. News at 11.
- novenator, on 11/09/2009, -3/+30Although taken as comedy (which they are not intended), his comments would be satire gold! Colbert should start following this man around for some great new material.
- nullcodes, on 11/10/2009, -1/+27I was obviously being sarcastic. But ***** all of you anyway.
/s - EllimistX, on 11/10/2009, -1/+27No, this is why they need good parenting.
- XxModestMousexX, on 11/10/2009, -0/+25I OBJECT! I OBJECT! I OBJECT!
- rocknog, on 11/10/2009, -1/+26What you seem to be saying is that, if I don't believe in God, I don't care if anyone hurts me. Why would I suddenly stop caring about people hurting me if I don't believe in God. Hell, that's MORE of a reason to try to prevent people from hurting me if I don't believe in an afterlife.
The law doesn't exist to prevent you from hurting others, it exists to prevent others from hurting you. We make murder illegal because we don't want to be murdered. Belief in God doesn't change this. - pandawa, on 11/09/2009, -2/+26turned it off after around 3 mins. not only was he incredibly misinformed, but he was so illogical i think my ears are bleeding
- buddamus, on 11/10/2009, -2/+25I like to watch intelligent religious debate, this is just an idiot with a bad argument
- Litespeed, on 11/10/2009, -0/+21All too often, the loud ones turn out to be the biggest hypocrites.
We had a dude here who was the leader of a Christian conservative party - championing all things good and proper and non-deviant. Always on in the new bemoaning the downfall of society if we allowed stuff like titty-bars or pre-marital sex.
Turned out he was a pedo all along and now he's doing time. - Lylelanley32, on 11/10/2009, -0/+19I'm a ***** man.
- logophage, on 11/10/2009, -0/+19@Cerebron
If religion is the only thing that keeps you from raping, then please, please, please don't ever stop believing in religion. Meanwhile, the rest of us will continue to not rape because rape is wrong; don't need religion to know that. -
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