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- TruthExposed, on 01/26/2009, -12/+65Torture does not produce reliable information. Don't forget - Iraq had weapons of mass destruction according to torture evidence.
http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/stoptorture/2008/02/0 ...
How many people got killed BECAUSE we tortured??
If you are being tortured, you can reason that you really have no incentive to tell what you know. The torturer will not know if/when you have told the truth, and he will not know that you have no remaining information of value. You will not get relief by telling your torturer what you know.
Hanns-Joachim Schraff was the greatest German interrogator in world war 2. He worked primarily on captured US airmen and he was so respected for ability to extract secrets that he was dubbed “The Master” by his peers. What vicious tactics did he use to get this information? What horrific torment did he inflict on US airmen? Kindness and a respect for human dignity.
Schraff correctly realized that only a bare fraction of captured enemies would have information of immediate tactical use. And it is highly unlikely that one could extract that information in time to use it. So torturing an enemy to get the “whole story” would be a waste of time. Additionally it would run the risk of getting false information from the prisoner.
Instead, he did everything in his power to help the captives feel relaxed and safe. He would have long talks with the captives and discuss philosophy or some other seemingly safe topic for a prisoner to discuss. All the while, he was collecting bits and pieces of information that he would assemble and use to support the German war effort. Their best interrogator, and he never had to raise his voice.
As a result, after the war Schraff wasn’t tried for war crimes. Instead he was invited to the US to speak to the military about his interrogation techniques. These techniques have come to be used by trained interrogators worldwide.
http://kevinrobinson.wordpress.com/2006/10/05/on-t ... - deema1, on 01/27/2009, -13/+42I don't recall John Kerry writing op-ed pieces protesting Gitmo over the past several years. Typical political Monday-morning quarterbacking.
- grungegbunny, on 01/27/2009, -3/+22We executed Japanese soldiers for waterboarding American troops. The charge was torture.
- analogkid01, on 01/27/2009, -1/+17Wow...you vote with that logic?
- manlyandy, on 01/27/2009, -1/+16Oh snap! Did that hurt a little Bannedx5?
- C0MF0RTABLYnumb, on 01/27/2009, -3/+16Wow, I don't think anyone read the commentary by Kerry. It seems that all the comments are just positives and negatives about him. I thought it was a good article. It's good know that some believe that being ethical is just as important as defending the nation from those who wish to harm it.
- robberry, on 01/27/2009, -1/+13And what will your excuse be when we *do* start beheading people, Bannedx5? "Hey, at least we didn't use a *dull* blade"?
- grungegbunny, on 01/27/2009, -8/+19At least he is speaking up and telling the truth. Nearly all the above comments are ad hominem attacks. Attack the argument not the character or shut the ***** up.
- s043446583, on 01/27/2009, -2/+13So being true is called lieing now.
- kirstpo, on 01/27/2009, -5/+16What's with all the ad hominems? I don't understand why people bash Kerry so much. It must be the strong propaganda from the previous presidential election. Anyway, Kerry's commentary rings true. In the last seven years US actions under the previous presidency have made the world a more dangerous place. They've given false security, imposed fear, stolen liberties, and lost any moral high ground we might have had.
I regret Kerry wasn't president for the last four years. - kashk5, on 01/27/2009, -0/+10False. Democrats had to settle on Kerry. Nobody was as hyped up about him as people were with Obama, he was just the lesser of two evils at the time. Democrats really ***** themselves over by going with Kerry. He was, without a doubt, the worst Democratic candidate since Dukakis.
- stvidguy, on 01/26/2009, -7/+16Really? I thought it only happened 3 times in 2001?
- analogkid01, on 01/27/2009, -7/+16Cue Bush apologists claiming how he's kept us safe the last seven years, and other *****...
- homercles337, on 01/27/2009, -2/+11So i suppose this is where you provide a wealth of *credible* information that refutes the claims of TruthExposed? Im waiting...
- Jareth86, on 01/27/2009, -1/+9How exactly does that work? Its his right as an American.
- relaxeder, on 04/17/2009, -2/+10When you behead somebody it's torture? The whole point of torture is that you prolong the suffering and keep the victim alive in the process, numbnuts.
Come on, use your brains here people. ***** hell. - Focher, on 01/27/2009, -2/+9The Army Field Manual? That left wing, liberal, Communist rag? Oh, wait. Nevermind.
- darkciti2, on 01/27/2009, -1/+7Bush weakened America with his bungling attempt at leadership.
- manlyandy, on 01/27/2009, -3/+9Ya! Let's just keep torturing them while a different person, offended by their treatment, rallies followers to hate American and bomb a US City for him!
- fugazied, on 01/27/2009, -3/+9I wouldn't call 911 keeping us safe. Happened on his watch after intelligence agencies made him aware of it.
- darkciti2, on 01/27/2009, -1/+63 times?
Cite a credible source please (Bill Kristol and Alberto Gonzales don't count)... - inactive, on 01/27/2009, -7/+12"How many people got killed BECAUSE we tortured??"
That's the unquantifiable piece... Nobody knows. We need to be morally superior as well as militarily. - novenator, on 01/27/2009, -1/+6 homercles is right, Kerry is war hero. Only idiots believed the swift boat smear campaign that treasonously claimed otherwise.
- Jareth86, on 01/27/2009, -1/+6What the hell does that have to do with throwing medals over the fence?
And as for your out-of-the-blue defense of the legalization of torture. Do you honestly believe that if we were faced with this 24-esq thirty seconds to Armageddon scenario, our operatives wouldn't just do it anyways and receive a slap on the wrist for it later? The law is there to keep stupid ***** like the people who ran Abu Ghraib from torturing people on a regular basis. - oboshoe, on 01/27/2009, -9/+14Its curious to see all the diggers blasting on Kerry.
Just 4 years ago, he was the darling of the Democratic party.
Makes me wonder what things will look like 4 years from now. - manlyandy, on 01/27/2009, -0/+5Unlike your comment. Gimme the details man!
- oldhick, on 01/27/2009, -1/+5asthecrowflies is having another bad day. His persecution complex is kicking in again.
- ace429k, on 01/27/2009, -4/+8They had a good piece on NPR today about torture. it was very informative.
- Subiklim, on 01/27/2009, -17/+21John Kerry is still a senator?
- m0n0kr0m3, on 01/27/2009, -6/+10As much as I agree with what he says, I'd really like to hear it from someone else. Someone that didn't sell us out....
- GrodyChamp, on 01/27/2009, -33/+37No one gives a ***** what John Kerry says.
- ace429k, on 01/27/2009, -4/+8prolly about the same. except more 360s will be dying. snif snif...i'm on my 3rd one!
- darkciti2, on 01/27/2009, -1/+5Bush should be tried at the International War Crimes Tribunal (Nuremburg) for his violations of the Geneva Convention.
Or at least, in Levenworth for his violation of his Oath of Office to the US Constitution and for torturing people (including US Citizens).
Thanks for reminding me of why I voted against Bush. - nick111, on 01/27/2009, -4/+8"If Kerry says it, then I am forced to discount it."
What if he says something that's true? Will you still discount it? Even if it's true?
*****. - novenator, on 01/27/2009, -1/+5if its not torture, let us do it to you then bannedx5
- novenator, on 01/27/2009, -1/+5wtf crow? did I ***** your sister or something?
- Focher, on 01/27/2009, -3/+7He didn't keep the approximately 7-8000 troops safe who have died under his watch.
- novenator, on 01/27/2009, -1/+5no *****. I think this all stems from those who didn't actually RTFA.
- TruthExposed, on 01/27/2009, -0/+3I happen to be a military intelligence officer, and I can tell you for a fact that relying on intelligence obtained from torture is very dangerous.
Besides, it is better to fight to the death than to surrender to an enemy who tortures. Do you think the 1000's of Iraqis would have surrendered prior to the invasion if the coalition practiced torture?
Look at Germany during the close of WWII - they fought to the death against the Russians, but happily surrendered to the allies on their western front. Why, Russians tortured their POWs, and the British, US, etc treated them well. 1000/s of Russians and Germans died fighting a fight that would not have happened had the Russians not been cruel to POWs. - iamchewy, on 01/27/2009, -0/+3Now there's an ad hominem attack if I've ever seen one. Good job, TheCash.
- nick111, on 01/27/2009, -2/+5Although as a senator, he's still considerably more relevant to the world than you...
... but strangely enough, part of the reason that America's reputation is as ***** as it is, is due to people exactly like you "voicing your opinions" in public. The internet as been invented, and suddenly a tidalwave of incredibly ignorant Americans are all talking to the rest of the world at once. Before the internet turned up, we only suspected that people like you existed... we didn't know it for sure.
I mean seriously? You think Kerry's "screwing around with other women" is relevant in any way whatsoever to America's reputation over torture?
How? - zenerdiode, on 01/27/2009, -1/+4Same reason they bash Gore, Clinton, and Carter. Same reason Obama now walks on water. Many people seem incapable of stepping away from the boob-tube for a sec and critically think and research about the issues Bill O'Reilly, Jon Stewart, Glenn Beck, or whomever is on the TV are discussing. This is why the Swiftboat campaign worked so well. This is why people mock Gore for claiming he invented the internet (although he never said so). This is why people ignore the fact that Obama flipped on the FISA renewal (possibly the most important issue he had to vote on as a senator).
Anyways, could any Kerry hater HONESTLY say the last 4 years would have been as bad if Kerry had been in office instead of Bush? - Billions, on 01/27/2009, -1/+4I'm pretty sure there was a major election in there, where he did attempt to do something.
- novenator, on 01/27/2009, -1/+4they didn't read the article, its just a reactionary reaction. But look at all the buries! Nice to see nobody is buying into their cheap shots
- TruthExposed, on 01/27/2009, -0/+2""How many people got killed BECAUSE we tortured??"
That's the unquantifiable piece... Nobody knows. We need to be morally superior as well as militarily."
I agree with your last statement, but as for the first - add up the death toll in Iraq, all sides, then add in all the victims of acts of terrorism that have and will result from the new terrorist recruits whose recruitment was inspired by the US invasion of Iraq. - robberry, on 01/27/2009, -2/+4Great, now I've got the song from that JibJab animation stuck in my head. "But its not gonna heeeeelp you, because I WON THREE PURPLE HEARTS!!! This land, will surely vote for meeeeee!!!!"
- Billions, on 01/27/2009, -1/+3"If If If..." Too much of that in the last 8 years, leading to paranoia and the '24' eye-for-an-eye mentality.
Plus, I don't think anyone is against proper interrogation. Why do you spazzy-right diggers think "Doing something properly" translates into "Liberal socialist doesn't care about America?" - novenator, on 01/27/2009, -0/+2kerry wasn't all that bad actually. He kicked bush's ass every debate they had. If hadn't been for the raping of his war hero status by that far right funded swift boat group, he would've swung Ohio and been president
- oldhick, on 01/27/2009, -1/+3@asthecrowflies, it actually is time for a nap I think. Thanks. You should get some rest too. You seem a little worn out. Sleep is good for the mind and soul. Take care crowflies. Life is too short for worrying. :)
- heystoopid, on 01/27/2009, -1/+3He didn't have the Internet blogs to refute and discredit all the evil Republican slime exuding from both Karl Roves Ass and Jerome Corsi's evil bsd mouth to tell a complete pack of lies and deliberate misinformation about the Swift Boats in Vietnam . Jerome tried again the same dumb tactic to con the birthers , but was shot down before he even got five inches off the ground every time in the second time around . One could say despite his Harvard Uni silly science Politics degree , he be thicker then two house bricks put together , for trying to use the same identical dumb stunt twice . The Internet made the '08 campaign a more level playing field and eliminated all media pro republican bias , and shot down all the lies on the day they were born five minutes later .
As we have seen in the '08 campaign the Republican slime was shown to all , to be an absolute pack of lies and deliberate misinformation and a total denial of real facts in a real world.
Sadly , for today thanks to the Internet you can't hide from lies and your campaign adds of fiction once aired do not die and disappear any more and will always come back to bite you in your ass .
So please tell us all , how goes the posterior sun diving these days ? -
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