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Rove Re-Writes History. Again.

crooksandliars.com — Bush political adviser Karl Rove claimed that he was “opposed” to holding the pre-war Iraq vote just ahead of the 2002 elections. I truly don’t think the man is capable of a single honest thought or statement. But this is so transparently dishonest that it’s laughable. Who does this guy think he’s fooling?

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  • FireAtWill, on 11/24/2007, -8/+60Imagine if we could harness his powers for good; how much better would America be?
    • johnhummel, on 11/24/2007, -3/+16I sometimes wonder the same thing. So much power held by so many people - and if they just took a second to wonder "Huh - am I *really* helping anybody but myself?", I wonder what kind of a world we'd live in.
      • Drahkar, on 11/24/2007, -1/+13Here is an even better question. What would it be like if we started actually prosecuting these people who are lying to the government at large and to all of us. Not only lying but like Rove is now, blatantly so. We all can remember Snow and his definitive, straight yes or no answers that would flip flop back and forth depending on what month it was for the same question.
        • reddikilowatt, on 11/24/2007, -5/+1What would you charge him with? He wasn't a cabinet member, elected official or anything else that required an oath, confirmation or any other accountability. For all practical purposes, he was merely a bureaucrat, and all that was required for the position was to pass an FBI background investigation and maybe a civil service test.

          This is the main problem with trying to get Bush 43 impeached. The people running the show know all too well what happened in the Nixon administration and figured out loopholes and ways to skirt the spirit of the law. They called Regan the Teflon president because none of the scandals would stick to him. That's nothing compared to how this administration is running things.
          • art42, on 11/24/2007, -0/+7Last I heard lying to Congress is a crime whether or not under oath.
          • TheGuruStud, on 11/24/2007, -1/+7should be treason, punishable by death. Every last one of these *****. Senate, Congress, every cabinet member, heads of corporations, etc.
    • terminal157, on 11/24/2007, -3/+36Do not be tempted, for the power of the One Rove would bend you and all of your good intentions to his evil will. There is but one choice; we must throw him into the fires of Mount Doom.
    • vade79, on 11/24/2007, -1/+6Harness the powers of lying and propaganda for good? I don't think that is possible.
      • projectstartrek, on 11/24/2007, -0/+1Don't tell that to anyone at the Ministry of Truth.
    • heystoopid, on 11/24/2007, -2/+1I didn't think he had any good points at all ?
      For his entire waking life only fiction has poured forth so far !
    • ChaosMotor, on 11/25/2007, -0/+1Evil can never be turned to work for Good. It would merely poison the well.
  • hiphoc, on 11/24/2007, -19/+5Karl is an actor of history, we are just the observers. Now observe the liars and go back to sleep.
    • WallyAnti, on 11/24/2007, -4/+7History
      n. An account mostly false, of events mostly unimportant, which are brought about by rulers mostly knaves, and soldiers mostly fools.
      Of Roman history, great Niebuhr’s shown ’Tis nine-tenths lying. Faith, I wish ’twere known, Ere we accept great Niebuhr as a guide, Wherein he blundered and how much he lied.
      Salder Bupp

      --Ambrose Bierce, "The Devil's Dictionary"
  • nnagflar, on 11/24/2007, -6/+58Welcome to the Ministry of Truth. 1984 came a little late.
    • Beowulf2112, on 11/24/2007, -3/+1+1
    • Herostratus, on 11/24/2007, -2/+7We are at war with Eastasia, we have always been at war with Eastasia.
  • delicatessen, on 11/24/2007, -5/+28"He who controls the present, controls the past. He who controls the past, controls the future." -- George Orwell
    "He who has the gold makes the rules."
    Knowledge is power. Control people's political ideology (mind lock) and they will blindly follow any lying SOB to their grave.
    One must control the fact that there is no gold and we need to continually borrow astronomical amounts of monies to sustain unpopular, suspicious, and downright fraudulent ventures overseas while putting it's own service men, women and citizens on the back burner.
  • DeadRooster, on 11/24/2007, -5/+43If I saw Karl Rove on a TV program, I would just change the channel. The guy has ZERO credibility.
    And, he should be in jail.
  • Fastbullit, on 11/24/2007, -5/+18Rove should have a new title: Emperor of deceit.
  • protogenxl, on 11/24/2007, -2/+12Yeah that's the ticket.
  • johnlabmonkey, on 11/24/2007, -3/+13How long before the wingnuts show up to get this labeled as "possibly inaccurate?"
  • johnhummel, on 11/24/2007, -5/+75This is all part of the Big Lie theory: if you tell a lie so big that nobody would believe it, people feel that they have to believe it, because no one would tell a lie that big.

    Rove knows this. He knows that to the loyal 25% of the nation, anything he (and "our lord and Savior George W. Bush") say is the Truth, and Nothing But the Truth. Any facts that are brought up to discard them as liars *have* to be made up by "angry liberals".

    So, now you've got 25% of the people reading your lie believing it. You only have to convince a portion of the other 75%, most of whom probably *don't* know the facts anyway, or see two opinions and say "Well, one must be partially true, the other partially true, so split the difference, I guess." Next thing you know, you've got 50% believing that you're speaking the truth, and you can continue to lie and cheat and steal your way to power and fortune.

    The only solution to this is 1. a media that is willing to stand up not for Fairness, but for Truth. There are *not* two sides to every argument - sometimes, as Edward Murrow once said, one side is so obviously the truth that there can be no counter arguement. If I had been the editor of Newsweek, I would have looked at this, had my fact checkers look it over, and then told Mr. Rove "I'm sorry, I'm not printing this - it's a pack of lies, here's the truth. Come up with another article, or be on your way."

    But that takes courage, something that corporate media too obsessed with dollars than facts is in short supply of.
    • Michael9636, on 08/04/2008, -1/+12Great post, johnhummel! We need more people like you to point out that "there are 'not' two sides to every argument..." - Why can't the media see this?
      • heystoopid, on 11/24/2007, -1/+2Because they have the use of window dressing Gloria Borger style of all looks and no real depth or deep thinking required !
    • samcrut, on 11/24/2007, -1/+1Nah... You print his article because it sells more papers, but cover it with sidebars correcting everything he says straight down the page. Then you can have your cake and eat it too.
    • ruyen, on 11/24/2007, -0/+3Until the truth starts equating to higher ratings, they won't care.
    • rcook18, on 11/26/2007, -0/+1Are newscasters more aware of the truth than the general public? After years of not asking real questions, perhaps the mainstream media is simply not competent to challenge such lies.
  • casek, on 11/24/2007, -6/+3i can't wait for the next star wars movie: the empire's preemptive strikes backed by pakistan.
  • AngelaQ, on 11/24/2007, -3/+10Rove believes that truth does not exist, only expediency. When he publicly tells lies like this, the only person he convinces is himself.
  • wd52, on 11/24/2007, -5/+22
    Karl Rove = Lowest Scum

    Criminal, warmonger, liar, TRAITOR to America.

    Indict and convict him for TREASON.

  • jonnyboy1544, on 11/24/2007, -16/+5Crooks and Liars reporting negative Karl Rove news? Never.
    • sharpfork, on 11/24/2007, -2/+15Right wing tool attacking the messenger instead of discussing the topic at hand? Always
      BTW, you need to add Youtube and PBS to the attack list since Crooks and liars is just embedding their stuff. It must be part of the Liberal media conspiracy to show Rove's own words in context.
      • p0s3r, on 11/24/2007, -12/+3Does youtube and PBS contain the same made up ***** surrounding the video that crooksandliars has?
        • cherwilco, on 11/24/2007, -1/+3yup everyone everywhere is just out to get poor poor karl rove!
    • art42, on 11/24/2007, -1/+3What positive contribution has Rove made? Any non-partisan?
  • Salviati, on 11/24/2007, -4/+50For those on here who are too young to remember the 2002 election, Rove's story is the EXACT OPPOSITE of what actually happened. At the time, there was a Democrat-controlled Senate which was largely opposed to the war. Then in the summer of 2002, the Bush administration started a relentless campaign to start the war in Iraq without Congressional authorization. Once it seemed that it would be too politically costly to go to war without the Congress' buy-in, the Republican party bullied Democratic Senators to have a vote on 'authorization' but not declaring war itself. They ran TV ads across the country and especially within vulnerable districts, and many Democrats caved. Many Senators lost their seats, and the Senate became Republican for the next 4 years. Sadly, the phrase "we all know Iraq has WMDs, but..." became ubiquitous, so it wasn't even brought up whether Iraq had WMDs or not. This WAS Bush's War, and he can't blame anyone else.
    • TheOther1, on 11/24/2007, -17/+5A fine example of rewriting history. Well done.
      • alex7575, on 11/24/2007, -4/+12A fine example of not knowing ANY history. Well done.
      • cherwilco, on 11/24/2007, -1/+1too bad there wasn't some sort of time paradox that just wiped karl rove out of existance for doing it!

        EDIT: oh wait he didnt use a time machine? he just lied to people? aww hell nevermind the paradox then, maybe we could just send him to iraq then!
    • p0s3r, on 11/24/2007, -13/+4Those poor innocent Democrats. No one but the evil neocons thought Saddam had WMDs prior to 2002. And those valiant Democrats from 2002 were vocally opposed to the war they just got bullied by the evil neocons.

      Were you too young to remember the 2002 election?
      • art42, on 11/24/2007, -4/+10Do you have anything to add other that partisan smears?
        The 20%ers belong to two groups:
        1. Think they are part of the 2% of the wealthiest.
        2. Think they can work hard and become part of the 2% of the wealthiest.
        More than a few would guess you're in the later group, me thinks.
    • heystoopid, on 11/24/2007, -1/+1Oh the old style Texas cow dung and mud smear innuendo campaign that was used so well in the 1995 Texas State Erections to scare the gullible voters to elect the greedy scum of the earth !
      Or "Idiocracy" at it's finest hour !
  • bshock, on 11/24/2007, -4/+10Obviously, Rove thinks he's fooling the same slim majority that he's been fooling all along.
    • CanceledCzech, on 11/24/2007, -1/+1I know a kid who is pretty damn smart except for the fact that he swallows up everything FOX news will shove down his gullet and thinks that George Bush is the best president ever. I never thought I would ever actually meet someone who was brainwashed. And I would not be surprised if there were more like him.
  • mr5150, on 11/24/2007, -5/+7The rats are jumping ship slowly but they need to cross the dot the i's and cross the t's before they leave so they remain bullet proof in the future.
    Can't remain a career politician without safeguards to try and avoid impeachment. Scumbags always coward by trying to dilute the past and create a new one to use in the future.
  • charlie55, on 11/24/2007, -12/+2 i believe him.
    • art42, on 11/24/2007, -1/+1Wanna buy a bridge? I can give you a real good deal on one across the Potomac.
      • charlie55, on 11/24/2007, -3/+1the bridge for sale joke is not funny. never was.
        • nblsavage, on 11/24/2007, -2/+2been burned one to many times by the offer?
          • charlie55, on 11/25/2007, -0/+1i have run out of space to store my bridges
          • stevedclarke, on 11/26/2007, -0/+1@charlie55: I have a river I could sell you. Cheap.
    • heystoopid, on 11/24/2007, -1/+1I have a one way ticket to Guantanamo Bay ready for collection at Andrews Air Force Base just for you , flying "Drug Lords Air" !
  • BrapAllgood, on 11/24/2007, -2/+11Like I said: A turdblossom is a turblossom....
  • tehsilentcircus, on 11/24/2007, -5/+10Karl Rove is a criminal. He is a liar and a con. Do not listen to him or believe him ever. These are things you need to know. And that is the bottom line. The guy should be lynched for the ***** he has said and done. He should have his cocky ass smile blown right of his face. A true anti-american douche bag.
  • FZero68, on 11/24/2007, -3/+23He's fooling the fox news viewers.
  • thegreatgazoo, on 11/24/2007, -1/+13I thought he resigned and was spending 'time with family'?
  • CheeseburgerBro, on 11/24/2007, -2/+6Rove, cackling: "Goooood; gooooood. Now everything is proceeding as I have foreseen. In time you will call me master."
  • skews13, on 11/24/2007, -4/+7the little dweeb,who ran the gippers playbook forthe last 7 years is having delusions.say it ain't so.failed conservative polices of the 1980's.may they be thrown upon the scrap heap of history,for all eternity
    • pkonink, on 11/24/2007, -1/+41. Neocon's are not simply following "failed conservative policies of the 80s." They have been developing their ideology since the 60s and it really didn't become what it is today until the fall of the USSR and their shift to Israel/Middle East in the 90s. During the 80s they were still obsessed with the spread of communism. I would not call Reagan a neocon - I wouldn't even call Bush Sr. one. I might be subtly wrong on this one, but not completely. These same neocons did have the ears of both of those presidents, so you can see it in some of their policies.
      2. I strongly doubt that ideology matters at all to Rove. He is driven to win at any cost to grow and maintain power. He could be part of the Care Bear party dedicated to giving all Americans cupcakes, and he would be just as wicked and ruthless.
  • p0s3r, on 11/24/2007, -19/+4Notice how crooksandliars doesn't bring any proof to the table to refute his statement. Just more conjecture, innuendo, and hyperbole.

    Crooksandliars. Buried as *****.
    • art42, on 11/24/2007, -3/+13Notice how p0s3r doesn't bring any proof to the table to refute any statement. Just more conjecture, innuendo, and hyperbole.
      p0s3r. Buried as *****.
      • p0s3r, on 11/24/2007, -7/+5Please point me to where crooksandliars has a statement from Rove circa 2002 that refutes this current statement.
        • cherwilco, on 11/24/2007, -2/+5why should he? you'll just pretend like he never showed you any evidence of any kind or just downplay it as more liberal agenda lies! Look it up yourself like the rest of us that can smell ***** a mile away. and poser why do you stand up for karl rove? is it because he is one of you? Karl Rove has been caught in so many lies its almost unbelievable that he still holds a job, is that the kind of person you can get behind? Or are you just attacking the source of this information? (crooksandliars)
          • p0s3r, on 11/24/2007, -5/+21.) He doesn't hold a job.
            2.) crooksandliars is making an accusation with zero proof to back it up. Isn't the burden of proof on the accuser?
            3.) Show me a statement that validates this claim by crooksandliars. Until then its more liberal faggotry.
    • statquo8, on 11/24/2007, -3/+7p0s3r, are you really that ignorant? maybe you just live on another planet or in fantasy land. can i join you in this wonderful fantasy land?
    • balla1ap, on 11/24/2007, -0/+2you're an idiot
  • trezeguet23, on 11/24/2007, -3/+14Crooksandliars at the very least, is more honest than the people they expose as hypocrites and liars.

    Dugg, twice
  • generalhooha, on 11/24/2007, -1/+8I love Big Brother.
    • sonaboy, on 11/24/2007, -1/+5You have truly won. Double-plus good, sir.
      • generalhooha, on 11/25/2007, -0/+2I just finished reading 1984... had to say that.
  • LotyBoy, on 11/24/2007, -0/+5He was against a 2002 vote. I remember it clearly. But not because they were opposed to war. No they were opposed to A VOTE! Bush met with his lawyers because he believed he didn't NEED an authorization from Congress. He wanted to go to war without it. You have to pay close attention to what Rove says. Every sentence is carefully crafted. He's not claiming to have been anti-war just anti-checks and balances.

    Thats not news.
  • stephbangm, on 11/24/2007, -1/+3Big Brother can kiss my big ass.
    • Misinformant, on 11/24/2007, -0/+0Stay in your home, citizen. Representatives of the Department of Justice are en route to detain you for re-education. Resistance will be met with lethal force. Transmission out.
  • balla1ap, on 11/24/2007, -0/+0I saw this interview, it was on charlie rose. Rove said he wanted to teach next, if karl rove gets a teaching job, i will burn the department of education down. No child left behind is the greatest failure in educational policy in history.
  • TantrooM, on 11/24/2007, -0/+1If Bush thinks he's the next Jesus, he must think Karl Rove is the personification of Judith.

    Just goes to show ya Bush, those who court with power sacrifice any real friends.
  • Felix57, on 11/25/2007, -0/+1when his teachers told them he could change the world i dont think this is what they meant
  • seanpetrash, on 11/25/2007, -0/+1i hear a lot of political dissent from all of you. I guess my question is, when are you going to do something about it? When will the Revolution begin?
  • BoneDaddy64, on 11/30/2007, -0/+1Fat Karl "I found a bug" Rove has no credibility.
  • jlhoben, on 12/02/2007, -0/+1Sounds like he's thinking about his trial already.
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