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- EntropyMan, on 10/12/2007, -3/+67So now Rove is claiming Osama Bin Laden started the Iraq war on our behalf? Well, I guess that proves that Bush is working for Al Qaeda after all.
And who was claiming that terrorists favor liberals again? Oh, that's right. This administration and the terrorists, with almost the same talking points.
I guess we should start calling him al Q'Rove. - shawnfassett, on 10/12/2007, -7/+64Rove wishes the war was over ONLY because it doesn't help with those polling numbers that he is obsessed with.
- kniwshmdcknit, on 10/12/2007, -1/+51I wish Karl Rove never existed.
- Junkyarddawg, on 10/12/2007, -0/+49Hindsight is 20/20. The Iraq war has robbed the GOP of the congress, and it'll rob it of the presidency. It's shattered the myth that the GOP is the party most suitable to lead the country in war. It's shattered the myth that the GOP - at present - is fiscally conservative. It is responsible for the destruction of half a dozen top-tier political careers, in all probability including Roves own.
*Of course* Rove would prefer the massive ***** which is the Iraq war never happened. Nonetheless he, but not bin Laden, is one of the architects behind it. - Hentez, on 10/12/2007, -4/+41Pinky: "What are we gonna do tonight, Brain?"
The Brain: "The same thing we do every night, Pinky - Try to take over the world!" - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+29Junkyard:
>It's shattered the myth that the GOP - at present - is fiscally conservative.
As far as I can tell the GOP has never been fiscally conservative -- witness the huge explosion in the deficit under Reagan where his budgets usually asked for more than congress would even approve (!). Here's an interesting chart of the data from NBER, charted against Republican versus Democratic presidencies and the business cycle.
http://arts.bev.net/roperldavid/politics/BusCycles.htm
Democrats aren't always fiscally conservative (lately they have been, but that's only lately) but I can't find where Republicans have ever been fiscally conservative, at least not in my lifetime. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -4/+29"is learning the hard way just what happens when you stir a hornet's nest with a stick.
reminds me of what on poster wrote , and i paraphrase:
If the 21st Century in America were a book, I think the first chapter would have to be titled "Hey, Let's poke that." - tmiller51, on 10/12/2007, -0/+24Oh no! I think he just emboldened the terrorists!
- monkeyrun, on 10/12/2007, -0/+20In the other words, Bin Laden won, period.
- Urusai, on 10/12/2007, -0/+18"I wish I hadn't eaten that whole cake," says the fat man.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+17neuro:
>Uh, you have to look at the GOP from before the Reagan era. Even now there are tons of us Republicans who are fiscally conservative, however, the fiscally conservative candidates are not elected to the presidency. Why would anyone elect a candidate who wants to seriously cut back government spending? If you try to cut Medicare you tick off half the population who think you don't care for old and sick people. If you try to cut defense you weaken the military and tick off half the population.
Well all I can say is that Clinton balanced the budget, and he left office with a 70% approval rate, so it can be done. - BowieX, on 10/12/2007, -0/+16All I know is, little children in Iraq seeing all this violence up close will be told it's the occupiers' fault (which, in part, it is), and will grow up to become a new generation of West-hating martyrs.
But of course, this kind of foresight isn't readily apparent to Bush or Rove is it? I mean, seriously, violence breeding more violence? Who would have thought?
What's it going to take for an administration to shake the political hands of the Middle East? To make up? It's no more Osama's fault than it is Rove's. - b04155, on 10/12/2007, -0/+15Well, he is allowed to change his mind without being called a flip-flopper.
/I think I just used up all the sarcasm until at least Thanksgiving... maybe Labor Day if we're lucky. - Tebixan, on 10/12/2007, -0/+14He's not really regretting the war, he's trying to say that Osama Bin Laden drew us into it. He wants us to believe that Bush doesn't like war, but Osama forced his hand, and that if Osama had left America alone, we wouldn't be in Iraq. Which is true I guess, without 9/11 Bush would have never been able to stir up enough fear over here to get support for an invasion of Iraq.
Just another instance of this administration trying to draw connections between 9/11 and Iraq, even though there aren't any. They're not really worthy of our time anymore, it's all just talk at this point. - hcl40u, on 10/12/2007, -0/+14In a question-and-answer period after his speech, Rove was asked whose idea it was to start a pre-emptive war in Iraq.
“I think it was Osama bin Laden’s,” Rove replied.
Wow I never knew Osama bin Laden works with the White House. Are Bush and Bin Laden friends or something? - bsmeteronhigh, on 10/12/2007, -1/+14We need to ask ourselves as a nation of the people by the people, what do we do? What do we do with people who are responsible for starting a war in a country unrelated to the horrors of 9/11? What do we do with people who are directly responsible for the deaths of thousands? What do we do with people who knowingly lied to us, again and again? What do we do with people who have made it a policy to diminish our rights at every opportunity? What do we do?
Do we simply let them get away with it and walk slowly into retirement and wealth afforded by public speaking opportunities? Do we simply let them sit in their country clubs drinking scotch and laughing silently at us because we are just " we the people"? I'm asking a very simple question: What do we do, now? - shagen454, on 10/12/2007, -0/+11Two Words: Flip Flopper.
Remember, how the right-wing had a field day using that phrase on Kerry? - dstz, on 10/12/2007, -0/+10Rove: "Osama thought that we would retaliate in the most idiotic manner to this terrible terrorism act. So, you see, technically that's his idea."
- ptsd, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9the only reason rove is able to get away with saying ***** like this is because so many people believe everything the white house says without question.
- crashflow, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9"it was Bin Laden's idea, he made me eat it."
- Szandor, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9He's just preparing himself for the inevitable indictments.
- danarama, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9ya it's all going to osama's plan...way to tie 911 to iraq in another stupid and incriminating way
- neuropsychguy, on 10/12/2007, -3/+11"As far as I can tell the GOP has never been fiscally conservative"
Uh, you have to look at the GOP from before the Reagan era. Even now there are tons of us Republicans who are fiscally conservative, however, the fiscally conservative candidates are not elected to the presidency. Why would anyone elect a candidate who wants to seriously cut back government spending? If you try to cut Medicare you tick off half the population who think you don't care for old and sick people. If you try to cut defense you weaken the military and tick off half the population. If you cut farm subsidies you tick off farmers. Ad infinitum.... As much as people complain about budget deficits and national debt they sure aren't willing to have their pork cut out of the budget: "We need to get rid of the deficit but don't you dare take money away from my constituents." You may point out that there was a Republican congress/Clinton presidency budget surplus but I don't believe it was sustainable (I'm not talking about Pres. Bush being elected) - as we found out in 2000 and 2001 the economy (and government surplus) were about to take a hit. You can't create a lasting budget surplus without seriously cutting back government spending - it's just not possible.
This is the conundrum we true fiscal conservatives have. The candidates we really like (from a fiscal standpoint) just can't get elected because too many people feel threatened by their planned spending cuts. - fredrated, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8Good bye, be sure not to write.
- thesixthdesign, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7“I think it was Osama bin Laden’s,” Rove replied.
He *thinks* it was?
What a confident political leader of country I'm proud to belong to. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7neuro:
>As I said earlier, you maybe able to balance the budget in the short term but you can't sustain that without initially cutting back spending
But he did cut spending, and you can assign the responsibility on the White House given that it's the Office of Management and Budget which writes them, which is part of the White House. Also Clinton specifically assigned Gore to go through and cut departments, which he did with some skill, apparently. - bemenaker, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6If we change our way of lives, the terrorist have won:
Suspension of Habeas Corpus
Unwarranted spying on Americans
Suspension of Due Process
Patriot Act
I can't take a freaking drink on a plane - Nocturnalis, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5@tebixan
I call partial BS there.
When Bush came into office HE was the one that ran down a list of counties that were apart of "The Axis of Evil". One being Iraq. So if 9/11 (God Bless the victims) didn't happen I have a strong feeling that we would be in Iraq anyway or maybe N Korea by now as they detonated a nuke or some form of nuke like bomb. If not those two counties we'd be gunning for Iran even harder by now. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6Karl Rove must be secretly helping the democrats. Is it really possible for someone to be that incompetent?
- Premonition, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5"ABANDON SHIP"
- KennMac, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Don't let a pop-up hit you in the ass on the way out.
- lateralus, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Don't overestimate the American voter.
- osbjmg, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Wasn't Osama bin Laden in Afghanistan?
I think it's amazing that these guys think people are dumb enough to think that a "war" on one man equates to a war on Afghanistan, Iraq, and probably Iran.
***** it, let's just get it over with and have a war with every middle-eastern country. While we're at it, destroy everything. It can't be much worse PR and we know how to destroy things, it's rebuilding that just doesn't happen. Yea, and our troops are not trained to be urban wartime police, very hard and dangerous - not something you can "win". Do the police ever "win"? - lateralus, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4"clinton put his crank in it!" - anon. neocon.
- stephensoto, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4@ BSMeterOnHigh
I think you mean hundred's of thousands..? - bemenaker, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3@moocow, only if your a republican ;)
- fredrated, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3The scariest part is, this sack of human waste probably believes what he just said, that he never wanted the war.
- bshock, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3What a coincidence. I wish Karl Rove never existed.
- Szandor, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Yes. You only have to look at the PUSA to see incompetence in spades.
- CoolWind, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Damn! I was just starting to like you.
- SammyJr, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3*****, yes. Idiot, no.
Rove may be evil, but he managed to get possibly the worst President in history reelected to a second term. That's an accomplishment. Whether he got it done via bringing out the anti-gay bigots, the Bin Laden tape right before the election, or voter fraud where no one got in trouble, he got the job done.
I wish the Democrats had someone as effective on their side, althought it would be nice if the Democrat's version wasn't so evil. - tehbored, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4Well we all know he's an idiot, and an *****, but now he just saying what we all already know: war sucks.
- Unlimited, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3So it was Osama bin Laden's Idea? No wonder you cant find him in the middle east! He's in charge of the White house sending your troops to Iraq!!
- Jugalator, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Bah, don't blame everything war / 9/11-like on Osama... He's a twisted man, but come on...
It was entirely the Bush administration's decision -- they even lied and started an illegal war to get where they wanted. Looking back, it's now undeniable facts. The only thing that was Osama's idea was to show the US what he thought about them meddling in the middle eastern affairs, along with trying to rally more combatants in his "righteous" holy war. Not necessarily to dethrone Saddam and establish a democratic regime. :-p That's actually only providing them more fuel on their fire, and *that* is the problem they should be focusing on here. - Junkyarddawg, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2@hackthegov: You're overestimating him. You need to spell out that while everybody supports the troops, and many support the idea of regime change in Iraq, no-one wants/supports the war itself.
- aesho, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2It's bigger than flip, flop, flip, flop ...
- shannobn, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Rove should have ran this past Bush because Bush has already said it was God's idea to go to war.
- Archaeolojae, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2So Iraq has something to do with Osama bin Laden?! I thought we were disarming Saddam Hussein. Wait, we did! There were no weapons of mass destruction. Mission accomplished! Let's bring our troops home.
- spafbnerf, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Right... Osama Bin Laden (who BTW wants the West to stop interfering in the middle east)... Foresaw and wanted Bush to invade Iraq..... Right ........
- diggerydood, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2He's made his war profit and it's time to move on. Will probably be joining Bush at the new ranch in Paraguay once the 9/11 truth sh*t starts to hit the fan.
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