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- mikeinwny, on 10/12/2007, -10/+42Ron Paul illustrates commonsense, as usual. He is the only logical choice to be the next President out of the current crop of "been there, did that" candidates.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -6/+29What I like best about Digg is where it allows one to access thoughts that otherwise get buried from view. This post is yet another example. The article in question provokes thought. Having read some previous comments by Ron Paul fills me with hope of alternatives to long term peace and prosperity for all. Just one insight from Paul's previous post illustrates why I think the world needs to listen to him.
"Our own effort at democratizing Iran has resulted instead in radicalizing a population whose instincts are to like Americans and our economic system. Our meddling these past 50 years has only served to alienate and unify the entire country against us."
September 7, 2006, Big Government Solutions Don't Work/ The Law of Opposites
Give peace a chance. It starts with listening. - WhitfieldGeorge, on 10/12/2007, -9/+32Congressman Ron Paul is our best hope for peace, prosperity and liberty. I am so glad he is running for President.
- dboylon, on 10/12/2007, -2/+18The Reign of terror in France and Napoleon's rise to power was not religious based. It was about spreading democracy and freedom. It was about consolidating power in France so there would be world peace after France conquered Europe. Instead it led to piles of dead bodies. The US led war in Vietnam was about containing communism. It led to betweeen 1 and 3 million dead Vietnamese. There was no religious element involved. Sociology, psychology, and biology all show evidence that the human brain is wired to repond to fear first, Emotion second, and reason and logic third. Highly educated people have their reasoning and logic skills enhanced and are less prone to manipulation by political leaders but they are still working against biology. Even these people are prone to being manipulated through their fears and emotions. Benny Hinn and Pat Robertson prey on this by getting people to send them money. Religion tapes into peoples fear of death and attempts at emotional uplifting. That is what makes religion so powerful. But the fault does not lie in religion. That fault lies in the defects of the human brain. Human are not perfect and if it is not religion manipulating people it is politicians promising a "chicken in every pot" or protection from the fearful Muslims...or whatever. A close look at the new testament you would find that Jesus's teachings seek to control man's worst temptations and protect man from his weak character. Most modern churches do not follow the new testament very closely. They use the bible to prop up the decisions of our political class. They have corrupted Christianity. Religion competes with Nationalism for people's support. If they work together they become even more dangerous. If you through out Religion you give the policitcal class a free hand at controlling the population. Didn't work out to well for the Soviet Union. Might not want to try that here.
- jwaddell, on 10/12/2007, -2/+17show me where in the world Ron Paul has said 9/11 was an inside job
- LowenSoDium, on 10/12/2007, -4/+17@simpleid
I don't think that you have a raging clue, I think that you are clueless.
If the whole world was nothing but Atheist, people would still kill each other. People don't need a reason to hate eachother, they will simply find one. - thcobbs, on 10/12/2007, -6/+17@Simpleid
Religion itself is not the problem. We'll get peace when people want it more than they want to harm others. - GeneralAntilles, on 10/12/2007, -1/+12Obama is a ***** socialist, he's also for banning semi-automatic firearms. Which is absolute *****.
- jlbraun, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8More common sense from Ron Paul. He's supports the Constitution, and I will support him for the Presidency.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7Correction: "Can /they/ Achieve Peace in the Middle East?"
The whole idea of trying to enforce others into peace is inherently flawed. Iraq has a democracy now, but America don't want them to use that democracy in anyway that doesn't align with their view. - tophu, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8I agree. He is the first first-party presidential candidate I could actually support since as long as I've been able to vote (that was the Clinton/Dole/Perot/Nader/Browne/Phillips/Hagelin election in '96)
- bustaballs, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7Every one of Ron Paul's speeches blows me away. He's got my vote for sure.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6Ron Paul on the front page, nice!
- chrisjj, on 10/12/2007, -7/+13Nice to (finally) see US Politicians recognizing in public that maybe there are two sides to the issue and not just the mantra imposed by the Lobby: 'Israel good, Palestinians bad'. Thanks due to Jimmy Carter and Walt Mearschimer. However, his argument that somehow giving aid to Egypt facilitates the conflict is artificially applied, presumably to sound 'even handed'. The fact is that the US provides Israel with over $5 billion of aid per year, most of which supports the militaristic policies of the Israeli government and this is why Israel continues to be able to disrupt peace in the region by shunning diplomacy and mounting disproportionate military responses to minor provocations.
- bustaballs, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7Not true at all but he DOES believe we need a new truly independent investigation because the 9/11 Commission Report was essentially led by the Bush administration and there have been many pr oven inaccuracies in the book. A few of them are mentioned on MS NBC and CNN.
- dboylon, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8That is not what he is saying dummy. What he is saying is why should US taxpayers fund the bloodbath. If they want to kill each other let them. What stake does a farmer in Iowa have in this conflict? Why do our DC politicians's insist in stealing money from him to fund a conflict across an ocean
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8"like a schoolyard fight"
what about leaving the "schoolyard" to the ones living in the area. - 15charmaxwtf, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7He's voting down stupid things the government spends money on.
- MrDiggle, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6He needed to be president 6 years ago.
- Corrosionx, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7Ok brainiac, show us the law. There's a 50 000$ reward if you can prove there is one.
You made the claim there was a law, you have to prove it exists. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5predictably, these kinds of posts force people into camps, usually just two. It is sad how quickly people become entrenched. My earlier comment was a plea () asking if it is time to learn from history and avoid this pitfall. Problems in the Middle East go back centuries, way before America was even discovered. Anyone who believes the US is to blame misses that fact.
Undoing resentment going back such a long time is no easy task. It is a huge challenge. Each and every person on earth has a responsibility to undo a lot. As I said, listening is an essential first step. It may help unearth a solution that is lasting, and hopefully one that future generations will thank us for. The world needs many more Ron Pauls to give us a fighting chance.
I am simply a citizen of the world. I have no political aspirations nor a wish to win over others. Words that Gandhi once uttered are what inspire me to comment on this post...
"An eye for an eye makes everyone blind" - faskippy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5He never said they wouldn't be able to afford to fight, he simply said we would be less entangled and would be removing, in effect, ourselves from the perception that we support both at the same time, which causes one to wonder who the hell we really support.
- jlbraun, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5We need more people like him.
"If elected, I promise to vote for as few bills as possible. I will attempt to repeal at least one law per month." - dboylon, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6That is more BS. The fighting in Israel didn't begin until the country was founded as a Jewish state. The area was relatively peaceful during the ottoman empire. Did it ever occur to you that a large group of Muslim people just want their land back? What does the right of return mean? Do you even know? Are the Muslims all crazy people who just want to kill Israelis? Here is a good question for you. The Palestinians are largely Sunni, Hezzbulah is *****. The Palestinians have been oposing Israel since it's founding. How come Hezzbulah didn't even exist until the early 80s? What happened? Over 30 years after the founding of Israel the ***** of Southern Lebanon all of a sudden decided they hated Jews? I am sure that must be it.
- jlbraun, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4I always vote my conscience. When 3rd parties swing elections, their ideas must necessarily influence the mainstream, because the mainstream wants those votes next time. It's pointless, stupid, and quite frankly evil to vote for the lesser of two evils simply because they're more electable. Look at the libertarian ideals that are springing up amongst Western Democrats.
- dboylon, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5He would quit sending Egypt and Israel tens of billions of US taxpayer dollars. As a US taxpayer I don't consider that just talk.
- Nameless1, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4Nope. Pull out and let the jawas fight it out themselves.
- dboylon, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5Yes pinhead. Can you not read what I wrote. 30 years of cold peace. You can call it cold...you can call it what you want...but 30 years of not killing each other is a hell of alot better than the 30 years of killing each other that preceded it! Are you missing this fact? You would rather have war because the Egyptian and Israeli politicians don't sit down for tea every Sunday? Wow. What an enlightened world view you have.
- PinkTacoDigger, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3I don't know. Ron is right generally, doing nothing is better than doing the things were are now - which isn't working. We helped mess up that whole situation, so it's kind of hard to back out now, I feel. (ie: all the UN resolutions we've vetoed/blocked) Finding a peace between Israel/Palestine that can give back the "pride" and human rights that Palestinians feel that have taken from them for decades while securing acceptance and peace fore Israel would be a huge boost for us in this war on terrorism. That's one less piece of huge rhetoric that the radicals can throw out for their cause.
- emid, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3You do not have to apologize for your English, it is definitely better than my Portuguese.
- rstevens, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Ron Paul is a sensible politician. May the rest of them follow his outstanding wisdom.
- dboylon, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Why do the Muslim's hate the West. Is it rational or are they just born that way? Some posters here like this Favre clown insist that only Muslim people are evil and want to kill and tries to point out centuries old conflicts to prove it. Somehow the bloodiest wars in human history...WW1 and WW2 were fought by the Western powers, Russia, Japan, and China. You know buddy. The West ain't so innocent in when it comes to human bloodshed. In the link for this memo. The Late Jude Wanniski predicts the fall of the twin towers. He wrote this after Yousef's failed attempt to bring them down. Was Yousef born with this hatred or is it a genuine reaction to what he perceives as the persecution of Muslims. Never mind whether or not what he believes is true or not (it really doesn't matter). What matters is does he believe it...What is the Muslim's movitvations for attacking the West? Is it born or is it aquired? I don't agree with the Favre's of the world. I have met to many decent Muslim people to believe in his world view. If you believe Yousef...boy have we really screwed up the last 5 years...huh?
Memo To: Vice President Dick Cheney
From: Jude Wanniski
Re: Political Terrorism
Remember me telling you in January that I felt better about a Bush presidency knowing you would be Vice President, because you seemed to have the confidence of the Arab world. With the outburst of terrorism, we need that resource more than ever. Please read the memo I wrote to Jesse Helms, “The Mind of a Terrorist,” in 1998, which keyed off the statement made by the terrorist who bombed the World Trade Center in 1997, Ramzi Ahmed Yousef. Before he was sentenced, he told the court why he did what he did, and I wrote to Senator Helms that unless we understood his motivations and adjusted our behavior to take it into account, “the mind of that terrorist will succeed in taking the Twin Towers down completely.” I hope you take my comments seriously, as Helms did not, and represent them as our government struggles with this enormous problem and how we should deal with it.
Read Yousef's statement at this link
http://www.wanniski.com/PrintPage.asp?TextID=1619 - dboylon, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5"Peace, commerce, and honest friendship with all nations – entangling alliances with none." Jefferson
"Act for ourselves and not for others," by forming an "American character wholly free of foreign attachments."
Washington
I have always given it as my decided opinion that no nation had a right to inter-meddle in the internal concerns of another; and that, if this country could, consistent with its engagements, maintain a strict neutrality and thereby preserve peace. George Washington
Observe good faith and justice toward all nations. Cultivate peace and harmony with all. …The nation which indulges toward another an habitual hatred or an habitual fondness is in some degree a slave. It is a slave to its animosity or to its affection, either of which is sufficient to lead it astray from its duty and its interest. George Washington – Farewell Address, September 17, 1797
If there be one principle more deeply rooted than any other in the mind of every American, it is that we should have nothing to do with conquest. Thomas Jefferson
We certainly cannot deny to other nations that principle whereon our own government is founded, that every nation has a right to govern itself internally under what forms it pleases, and to change these forms at its own will. Thomas Jefferson
Europe, by her arms and by her negotiations, by force and by fraud, has extended her dominion over them all, Africa, Asia, an America have successively felt her domination. The superiority she has long maintained has tempted her to plume herself as the Mistress of the World, and to consider the rest of mankind as created for her benefit. Alexander Hamilton
My ardent desire is to keep the United States free from political connections with every other country, to see them independent of all and under the influence of none. George Washington
America well knows that by once enlisting under other banners than her own, were they even the banners of foreign independence, she would involve herself beyond the power of extraction, in all the wars of interest and intrigue, of individual avarice, envy, ambition, which assume the colors and usurp the standard of freedom. The fundamental maxims of her policy would insensibly change from liberty to force. She would be no longer the ruler of her own spirit. John Quincy Adams
Wherever the standard of freedom and independence has been or shall be unfurled, there will be America’s heart, her benedictions and her prayers. But she does not go abroad in search of monsters to destroy. She is the champion and vindicator only of her own. John Quincy Adams
Separated as we are from Europe by the great Atlantic ocean, we can have no concern in the wars of the European Governments nor in the causes which produce them. – James Monroe - williamdyer, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3@Favre
They are Arabs. Jordan is as much a made-up "nation" as Iraq.
However, can you explain how Israel should be allowed to displace them from where they lived prior to the creation of Israel, and how Israel can disenfranchise them? I'm sure many of them would be as happy with Israeli passports as with Jordan or Lebanon passports, as long as they had citizenship and a right to vote where they used to live before they were displaced. - 15charmaxwtf, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3I guess whoever gets in to power democratically needs the Americans there for their own security. So whoever gets into power will be dependant on them, but of course they are also dependant on the people who elected them who probably don't want the Americans there.
- faskippy, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4Just goes to show how much he believes this admin. A plus in my book.
- dagnome1984, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4Yeah because if we want to get anything done we need to pass a bunch of laws and grow the size of government. /sarcasm
- faskippy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3(Golf clap). You have yet again topped your own record for stupid and ignorant statements. Damn you're good.
- guismo, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4Oh, I see the comparison...
I don´t like you, so you starve me. Take all my money, food and water out so I can´t buy a gun.
mm....
So, I don´t like you, you kill me. Well... good logic. You are safe now. No matter what you did to be in danger in first place.
And so... it is difficult not to kill civilians, right? Now I understand! Let´s kill civilians then! It is difficult not to, so, why worry in the first place?
Congratulations israeli. Your logic is astonishing. - williamdyer, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2@rjani57
Well said, but America is into the "Clean Break" plan to the tune of about $400 Billion and continuing at that pace or more. We tried. We failed. We have no plan to not continue to fail. Our best contribution is to untangle ourselves. - guismo, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4Hey, israeli, just another thing:
Israel did many bad things. Everyone in the world have a reason to be angry at them. At palestinians too, I agree, but palestinians are not important, right?
The thing is, many people may be mad at your country. So... The WORLD is a threat to israel´s security!
You know what? Israel have many nukes. If they value their security and well being, I think they should kill the rest of humanity. THAT is the only way to be sure that no one would ever harm another israeli.
No more chance for another holocaust.
And you would just be thinking in israel´s safety, right? That is all that matters. - stevebee, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3
I agree. You know, the largest "relocation" in history was insisted upon by Muslims. When the Brits left India, the Muslim Brotherhood insisted that there be a separate Hindu nation and Muslim nations. So Pakistan and East Pakistan (now Bangladesh) were formed. Millions of people fled, the Hindus heading towards India and the Muslims heading towards the Pakistans. In the process millions of people were killed.
Anyway, in that case the Muslims insisted upon it. In this case, Israel should just push them all out of the West Bank. You're not fit to live with. Just Beat It! - dboylon, on 10/12/2007, -5/+7Any decent human would
- stevebee, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Sure you;d prefer it. We all would. But in any country where there is a Muslim majority the non Muslims are persecuted without mercy..
Did you know that the vast majority of Arabs in the United States are Christian? Why? Because whereever they're from, Iran, Iraq, Jordan...the Muslim majority made life so dangerous that they finally picked up and left. - williamdyer, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Well, that is the problem, isn't it: You take a large population of displaced people - a population that has grown in the refugee camps. Deny them the possibility of growing an economy in those camps because you hope they will disperse. They DON'T disperse. It might undo the nation of Israel to admit them back to where they lived - although they have a widely recognized right to go back. That's ***** up. And it's not my problem to fix or pay for fixing.
Nobody outside Israel feels that the 1968 war victory was as righteous as the Israelis think it is - not to the extent that it makes displacing the local Arabs any less of a crime. So perhaps there is no good answer. In which case, what is American doing tangled up in the Clean Break plan? We should just get the hell out. - guismo, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4It is a good debate but I have to work. I leave you to think of what I said and what israel must stop doing.
It is not just ther safety that is important, you know? There are other important human beings in the world too.
Anyway, I am almost being fired here - williamdyer, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3I don't hate them. I just want them out of my wallet. There are plenty worse places than Israel, but none that cost me so much and put the U.S. at risk of truly catastrophic war.
- guismo, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4@ emid
I am not being objective? Just because israeli children are safe, palestinian children can be murdered? What one thing have to do with another? "Israeli children don´t die, so palestinians can die".
And what is the palestinians strategy? They have none. We have a desperate (is it right?) people. You kill their children and send their family to prison, do you expect that any human being will ignore their murderers and blame their own people?
Yes, there is confusion in palestinian acts. They are not united, they do not know what to do and everyone does what they think will work. It is like crushing a bunch of ants. The other ones will go crazy. Stop killing the ants and maybe the rest will calm down. You cannot expect anyone to be reasonable when they starve and see no future. - williamdyer, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2@stevebee
Has anyone in this forum suggested that Islamic nations do not have the problems you state? Yes, they are retrograde. Yes, they teach hate.
However, the world has many such people. They do not threaten the U.S., however, and it is not my problem, beyond the $400billion already spent, that I should have to pay to fix.
Do it yourself. - dboylon, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Sure Africa was screwed up...great...but once again at least American's weren't sending their tax dollars over there. You blind loyalist. You probably kiss your GWB poster every night before bed.
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