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- Eggzb, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9IMPEACHMENT
- iching, on 10/12/2007, -5/+12I have almost the same opinion of Robert Novak that Jon Stewart does
so this was interesting commentary from him.
I think Liberman would vote with the 12, but that number is still astoundingly low
coming from Bush and McCain's own party. - brstilson, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7Makes sense. Republican or Democrat, if your party is being dragged through the mud, you would first find out what the reason is (in this case, Bush) and do everything you can to distance yourself from it. Bush doesn't really fall into the Republican ideal (small government, limited spending, etc. etc), so it's not surprising that a lot of Republicans in the senate and house would be a bit disillusioned by this.
- knomevol, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5PBS FrontLine's story "The Dark Side", aired just now, was rather scathingly critical of the Bush administration - particularly of VP Cheney - in implying they misrepresented the facts presented to the American people, Congress, and United Nations in their desire for bloody war against Iraq.
- washingtonydc, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Chuck Hagel is probably the best GOP senator in congress right now--I certainly wish the party followed his lead more.
But in the end, the Senate really doesn't have much control over this issue beyond funding the military--and they certainly won't cut funding. - iching, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5One of the uses of the troops I have read from reputable sources is that the troops will be used for clearing neighborhoods of
'insurgents' and not so much for training of the police and army.
I hope sane republicans can convince this pResident that this "surge" escalation is not sane or rational according to their own Iraqi study group or even the commander of all troops in Iraq, General Casey.
Contact your senators and express your opinion, I have. - washingtonydc, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5believe me, I'm no fan of Bush, but you cannot have a military run by hundreds of voting members of congress. The commander-in-chief is just that--he has the ultimate say on military policy and strategy. Congress controls the purse-strings, however--but that's about the extent of its formal power.
It's just that this particular commander-in-chief isn't so hot with the strategizing, so I wish he actually heeded the insight and advice from the most knowledgeable military leaders. - Eyeooga, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4so there's this huge message sent to bush by us in the november elections. he waits about 2 months and then says he's going to increase troop levels. i could've sworn the people said that we want the ***** out of iraq..
nice to know we don't count for sh*t and it's the defense industry who's really running this country. - venicerocco, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5What does this "surge" mean but more bloodshed?
Nothing, absolutely nothing will improve by increasing troop levels when you have the same mismanagement at the top. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4Okay, I need more info. Does Bush still have dictatorial control over this decision or does he need approval from the House and Senate?
If it's still the former this is a sad, sad country we live in. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3@venicerocco "He says he's the "Commander in Chief" so we'd better listen."
He also says we should 'put food on our children' but I doubt anyone listens to that piece of sagely wisdom!
Face it, the mans a total tool and a clown! He has no more business being the prez than I have in claiming I'm the reincarnation of the Sun God! - ecorona, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Robert Novak, now there's a real American Patriot. I propose we ignore anything and everything he says and writes. Surely this is not too harsh a punishment after he outed a female undercover officer, thereby risking her life. Someone at the Bush administration is even more guilty of course, but time and time again we have been shown that the law mainly applies to us little people.
- eravage, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Good question. I tried to do a little research on the War Powers Resolution of 1973. It would seem to me that if Bush wants such a large 'surge' of troops he would need some oversight. Of course oversight is something that has been missing on this Iraq mess for years.
- venicerocco, on 10/12/2007, -5/+8Didn'r stop the morons voting for him. TWICE.
- iching, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3"To make himself look good in the long run" shouldn't involve getting troops and human beings being killed and maimed.
Vanity is the quicksand of reason and
"Pride that dines on vanity,drinks on contempt."
~Benjamin Franklin - osirisothedead, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Hagel's fairly moderate, but he's not going to seek another term in the senate and he's out of the running for President which really is a loss for Nebraska, even if he does support illegal immigrant amnesty. I don't know about him being the best GOP senator -- I prefer Susan Collins and Olympia Snowe.
- rrouse, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3If he goes ahead with this plan we might be able to get the votes to impeach him out of office. (Cheney first of course).
- trippinlikegod, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3hell they impeached clinton for getting a little frisky under his desk and yet we let bush run rampant with no checking of his power...
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3"Only if you use Adobe's "slow as a snail" reader."
You haven't tried version 8 then. It's pretty frickin' snappy compared to every previous release. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -7/+9Bush runs this country the same way I dance in a full-body cast.
- xister, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Too true...
- iching, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Another initially a staunch supporter of the war in Iraq- that just came back from Iraq had this to say about troop/war escalation (surge) Wilson, a New Mexico Republican and member of the House intelligence committee, traveled to Iraq last week.
Rep. Heather Wilson is calling for a "significant change in strategy" following a two-day trip to the embattled country last week.
The Albuquerque Republican told reporters in a conference call from Kuwait Saturday that she will not support a temporary surge of U.S. troops to quell violence in Baghdad, as President Bush is considering. Wilson said U.S. troop levels could be decreased this year.
I had this on digg but the news link change and so here is another news link
http://digg.com/politics/After_recent_Iraq_Visit_Republican_now_opposes_troop_increase
http://www.abqtrib.com/news/2007/jan/01/wilson-wont-support-push-more-troops/ - Bluejaye, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Only if you use Adobe's "slow as a snail" reader.
- bustaballs, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2As many experts, including most of the generals (whom Bush refuses to listen to) have already pointed out that a surge will simply be nothing more than a temporary fix which will eventually lead to more problems. It's nice to try and fix your mistakes and all but you can't build a nation with a civil war occuring. If the Iraqis can't help themselves then we definately can't help them. We need to leave.. not right away but slowly so they can try to adapt. If it doesn't work then there isn't anything else we can really do.
There's no use in sending more of our people over there to die and wasting more of our country's money on massacring more villages of innocent people. - nagaisu, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2It's pretty clear. Only 12 for it. That doesn't include Laura and the dog though.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Thats not very hard though. '7' was an absolute nightmare.
Once they can get it as fast as FoxIt I might consider using adobe acrobat again, but its gonna be years before that day ever comes! - infopro, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Direct quote: "Bush and McCain, the front-runner for the party's 2008 presidential nomination, will have trouble finding support from more than 12 of the 49 Republican senators when pressing for a surge of 30,000 troops."
- venicerocco, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2He says he's the "Commander in Cheif" so we'd better listen.
- spock627corfu, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Hagel is pretty much the definition of "ethically compromised"; I would argue that elected officials should not own voting machine companies, as Hagel does....
http://www.metafilter.com/mefi/23338
http://www.commondreams.org/views03/0131-01.htm - tmiller51, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Well, he's the "decider" isn't he?
- mdfrake, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1They will find it hard to pass the legislation, especially since Democrats have their own 100 days agenda which will essentially not allow for any Republican legislation discussion. However, even though I am against being in Iraq, I think that we have to send more troops to provide more security to the rebuilding, and we need to set a deadline. We have still not done enough to provide the basics for living, water, electricity, education, security. There amount of insurgent attacks seems to be increasing, killing more innocent Iraqis than Americans. The Iraqi people probably think we are full of empty promises and ineptitude. Setting a deadline will force the Iraqis to (in Bush's words) stand up faster. It doesn't send the wrong message to our troops, and it doesn't send the wrong message to the rest of the world. What it does is say to Iraqis and the rest of the world, we think Iraq should be a self-governing, self-policing, secure nation by such and such date. It would say to the people, we believe in you, and you need to believe in yourself. It would say to our troops, you guys have done your jobs, and we promise that we are bringing you home. Let the insurgents believe what they want, who cares what they think. If we help the Iraqis build a strong, self-governing nation, they can deal with any left over insurgents in whatever way they see fit.
- Eyeooga, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2@magic5227, stop being such a referral whore you spamming piece of crap. every one of your posts is to a pdf on your site. dick.
- Sethwm2, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0What he is trying to do is get in and finish this thing to make himself look good in the long run. He better pray to god that he gets Osoma before we get out of there. There will be some issues
- hiPpymIck, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1sorry cant resist this.....(lasts 50sec).
http://digg.com/podcasts/The_Onion_Radio_News/152647 - digitap, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0well said, iching
- magic5227, on 10/12/2007, -7/+7PDF of article.
Ad free.
http://www.box.net/public/250ygcus10 - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -8/+7PDFs are nothing but a pain in the ass in most circumstances...especially within a web browser.
- 4answer2, on 10/12/2007, -5/+3Foxit Reader helps when it comes to pdf's
http://www.foxitsoftware.com/pdf/rd_intro.php - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -4/+1Actually, I am pretty sure this article says that there is 12 Republcians AGAINST it. If it was just 12 for it, the artcile would not be titled "faces trouble" but something along the lines of how it is dea in the water. It is a poorly written article either way for not explaining which way they are talking about.
- bustaballs, on 10/12/2007, -13/+9Bush is your average dictator. He's going to do what he wants when he wants whether everyone dissagrees or not and if he commits a crime, he just gets his friends to write up some legislation for the rubber-stamp congress to pass. We'll see if this continues with the new congress and the changing views of the GOP.
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