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- ScornForSega, on 10/12/2007, -26/+78Damn, and I thought Cheney was the front-runner for the ***** Of The Year Award.
- neoform, on 10/12/2007, -29/+79Nah, Bush just likes to laugh at those idiot Senators who actually have family in the military, it shows what idiot working class chumps they really are. Bush on the other hand was born wearing silk diapers.. which he still wears today.
- cameron074, on 10/12/2007, -27/+64"***** the left!"
"no, ***** the right!"
nope, ***** all of you. you're what is wrong with this country. you're too busy bashing the other side and trying to get your own agendas across that you let the state of the U.S. fall by the wayside. you all make me sick. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -16/+48@connor2k
I appreciate your service. I genuinely do; you're a better man than I.
But could you please explain how this war in Iraq was necessary? Was there an actual imminent threat to the United States there? - zediker, on 10/12/2007, -10/+39Well that depends alot on how Bush said "How's your boy?" The wrong inflection or accent on a word/syllable in that sentence can make it sound demanding, demeaning, neutral, or concerned. But from Webb's reaction, it sounds like Bush screwed up the pronunciation for a concerned question.
- WarpFox, on 10/12/2007, -14/+42from the comments on the page:
“My son’s life is needlessly in danger every day because of your lies, Mr. President.”
FTW. - marklj, on 10/12/2007, -3/+27Partisanship is getting disgusting in America.
- wild, on 10/12/2007, -30/+48You know, now that I know he was briefed about a near death experience, I have changed my mind on this. Bush may not be the ***** here. He may have been interested in how his son was dealing with the incident, and was trying to convey that he actually cared. We all know he isnt a wordsmith, but I can see how that context fits the W's words.
(Here come the red thumbs) - neoform, on 10/12/2007, -3/+19People who ally themselves with political parties and not ideas are idiots.
I'm a conservative, but I sure as hell am no Republican given the ***** they've let Bush get away with. - robdazomba, on 10/12/2007, -20/+36Awww... ain't that cute? You're so far above the fray that you're able to look down your noses at anyone identifying themselves as politically right or left.
I don't know how old you are, but you sound very young with that kind of attitude. See, there was time in America when the right and left respected each other's opinions and listened and generally got things done when needed. The problem started during the Reagan/Bush era when the political right began a concerted effort to demonize the left/liberals. Suddenly, all liberals were godless, pot-smoking hippies who hated their country and wanted to convert everyone to homosexuality and communism... oh, *and* take away your guns.
This went on through the mid-90s with the rise of right-wing talk radio and a whole glut of right-wingers in the media and government who spent a good chunk of their time demonizing the American left and mounting one of the most shameless witchhunts against a president this country has ever seen.
Tell me, my level-headed friend, were you out there yelling about how awful this was back then? Were you writing letters to Newt Gingrich and Rush Limbaugh to stop this kind of partisan demonizing of the other side? Were you out there making some effort to restore order and dignity to the political process?
Or does it just matter to you now that the left has decided to cease all efforts in restoring some rationality to the process and started punching back instead?
I hear lots of right-wingers talking about how disgusting the attacks from the left are nowadays, but they never once uttered a word of protest in regard to the attacks from the right for almost two decades. I suspect you're not nearly as above it all as you might have some of us believe. If you are, you need to consider the context and history of all this. If not, nice try. - seattle98104, on 10/12/2007, -4/+19Digg has a political opinion section; there's your answer.
- nanboya, on 10/12/2007, -6/+20"How's your boy" is okay; "that's not what I asked you" is a clear sign of someone who's not listening to what the other party is saying...
- freff, on 10/12/2007, -7/+21Bush: How’s your boy?
Webb: I’d like to get him out of Iraq, Mr. President.
Bush: That’s not what I asked you.
That's not genuine concern. That's a message, and a fairly pointed one at that. Before this, Webb had made a point to avoid Bush at this function. Go ahead an call Webb rude if you want to, but do not pretend that Bush was doing anything other than sending the Senator a not-so-subtle message that whether Webb tries to avoid Bush or not, Bush still owns his son. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -5/+18@connor2k
I understand the need for a democratic state in the Middle East, but forcing a democracy onto a country is a little counter-productive. Successful democracies aren't arrived at because some outside force wills it but because the people of that country want something better for themselves. If they don't fight for it and establish it themselves then most likely that democratic government isn't; it becomes a government ruled by those the establishing nation likes.
As for Saddam being a threat: that's highly speculative. Would he have been able to do much anyway? If anything this war has made America less safe because we've brought about the disdain of almost the entirety of the Middle East and there are now even more terrorists than before the war.
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/09/24/world/middleeast/24terror.html?ex=1316750400&en=da252be85d1b39fa&ei=5088&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss
The truly humanitarian thing to do would've been to go in with words and not weapons. Saddam might not have wanted to talk but at least we wouldn't have appeared as a bully. Eventually you pester someone enough and they'll listen. Instead we've got a massive debt, the hatred of a good part of the world, and a complete loss of credibility on the national stage. - NV0U, on 10/12/2007, -3/+16And this is surprising how? Remember, this is the same guy who said to one of the 9-11 widows - one who was celebrating her wedding anniversary that day - "Oh! I guess you got the double whammy!"
Yeah, this ***** of a president is all class. - EntropyMan, on 10/12/2007, -8/+20You can claim the 'how's your boy?' part was just bad tact, given the situation. But then saying "That's not what I asked you," shows he's more than just untactful. If the purpose of the question was to get an answer, then he could have asked the military. If the purpose is to be kind, then you don't get all authoritarian when your kindness is not immediately accepted.
- ardenr, on 10/12/2007, -7/+17The whole idea that there are sides we whould be taking is ridiculous. If a reasonable Republican was promoting legalizing weed, I'd side with him, while if a Democrat was for our stupid little war I'd vote to get rid of him.. The "You're either with us or against us" crap has gone on too long. That said, the ***** neo-cons should be up against the wall for treason.
- neoform, on 10/12/2007, -14/+24wild:
Is that why he snapped at Webb saying "That's not what I asked" ? Sounds like a caring response to me..
more like he wanted to put on the allusion that he actually cared and when Webb told him, Bush didn't like his answer and tried to put him back in his place. - CableCarrier, on 10/12/2007, -6/+15I agree. I see far too much Michelle Malkin and LGF for my taste. DailyKos and its ilk should probably stay out as well.
Edit: Actually, never mind. Malkin's the only one that really bugs me, now that I think about it. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -4/+12Don't people like you say stuff like "ZOMG CLINTON WAS WORST PRESIDENT"?
How is Bush NOT a terrible president? I don't care what little improvements he may have made, he and his team of monkies created Vietnam 2 and it will never benefit anyone or anybody other than his oil pal cronies doing backdoor deals trading allied blood for money.
So much for learning from history, we made history repeat itself in just under 30 years. - wild, on 10/12/2007, -5/+13"Is that why he snapped at Webb saying "That's not what I asked" ? Sounds like a caring response to me.. "
Is there video of the incident? How do we know he "snapped" back at him? He could have simply said it in a clam voice. We also don't know the tone of Webbs initial response. And Webb is known as a hot head. Look, I am the last one to defend the president most days, but lets villify him for something worth it. - dupswapdrop, on 10/12/2007, -5/+13Bush needs to go to Iraq and stand in the street for about 10 minutes, so the people of Iraq may welcome him with open arms.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -8/+15I don't know why you're being modded down. This pretty much reflects most people's sentiment I talk to.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -7/+14I can't believe people still avoid the fact that hes one of the worst, if not the worst, presidents ever.
- unknownunknowns, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7I don't know why you're getting dugg down and called not Southern. I'm from the South and I know exactly what you're talking about. I look young, so I've definitely been on the receiving end of the condescending "boy" comment. I gotta say, I definitely wanted to punch the guy in the face.
- canadianguy33, on 10/12/2007, -5/+11Global warming is a hoax eh? **rollseyes**
- washingtonydc, on 10/12/2007, -3/+9Hey, Webb's son only faced a possible violent death in Iraq. Bush's daughter faced both well-stocked bars and a purse snatcher in Argentina! Such brave women...
- rjn17960, on 10/12/2007, -3/+9@robdazomba said "Tell me, my level-headed friend, were you out there yelling about how awful this was back then? Were you writing letters to Newt Gingrich and Rush Limbaugh to stop this kind of partisan demonizing of the other side? Were you out there making some effort to restore order and dignity to the political process?"
Great comment. Gingrich really made this a way of life with his slash and burn politics. This was particularly hypocritical when he was going after Clinton for impeachment all the while he was cheating on his wife. - Araya213, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8Got political with it? Are you dense? That is his SON, his flesh and blood. It was personal, not political. Quit posting.
- connor2k, on 10/12/2007, -15/+20@nis81
I appreciate your support and your opinion regardless which way it lies.
All I can say is we went in under certain pretenses that turned out to be false. While the lies that got us there were wrong, the fact that as humanitarians we needed to do something about Saddam and his regime still stands.
By establishing a Democracy there, we are preventing dictators who would use the country's resources to strike at America or other Democratic nations.
It also provides a buffer state between Iran and Saudi Arabia. There is tons of information regarding the need for a democratic state in the middle east. You can choose to believe it or not. That is your American right. - AARGH2K, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5As a father of three, I would have said much much worse to the man responsible for putting my kid in danger over a lie.
- freff, on 10/12/2007, -3/+8I've said it before, and I'm sure I'll say it again. These guys are absolutely shameless. Just when you think you've seen politics in this country get as low as is possibly can, these guys find a new and even more disgusting way to drop the bar again.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -9/+14Tact isn't something Bush is particularly stellar with. That said, Bush is human just like everyone else and I'm sure wasn't trying to be evil with Webb.
- 10lbhammer, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6@ sinenomen:
if anything, webb turned a politlical (in the classic definition that is, bush couldn't probably care less about webb's son) statement into a personal one.
and getting dugg down after saying "Let the digging down begin" does not make you right. - EntropyMan, on 10/12/2007, -6/+11Sinenomen, you claim Webb "turned it into a political thing," but then contradict yourself by saying it was a private reception and no politics was at stake.
Did Webb write the story? If not, then how did Webb turn it into a political thing?
Happy to oblige on digging you down. - cjazz108, on 10/12/2007, -7/+12At first I agreed with you, then I thought about it. I don't think he was trying to be evil, but he doesn't realize that his inability to take responsibility for anything in Iraq is the cause for his insensitivity.
Its as if Bush still doesn't feel responsible for his son being there. He still doesn't acknowledge the lies that took us there, and how because of the distortion that entirely he and his staff's responsiblity, now everything that was a consequence of that distortion is also his responsibility. If he hadn't lied and manipulated, then it would have been a true cooperative and non-unilateral decision that we all would be responsible for, and so that remark wouldn't be insensitive.
Its as if, that interaction only highlights how out of touch Bush is with reality, the degree to which he believes his own lies. To Bush it was appropriate, to the rest of the world it was not. Bush cannot acknowledge anyone's perception other than his, so in other words, the serious personality issues that make bush act like an ass, keep him from seeing himself as an ass. He is squarely incapable of understanding how other people feel.
Isn't this the definition of a personality disorder or even being "psychopathic"?
Check out the "savior" section, ask if that applies here.....
http://www.mental-health-today.com/articles/pd.htm
@UtopianComplex.... just missed your post. - EntropyMan, on 10/12/2007, -7/+12Wow. Just wow. You really need therapy, man.
Here's how Bush could have won: Instead of saying "How's your boy," when Bush already knew the kid had a brush with death, he could simply say, "I heard your kid had a rough time and I'm glad he came through. I know we disagree on the war, but I really do want to see every American kid come home safe and soon." - minorripper, on 10/12/2007, -4/+8It's about time someone stood up to this idiot and his jocular, carefree, fratboy way. Way to go Senator-elect Webb--this is serious business and it's high time our 'leaders' acted like it was.
- loboforestal, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7Without hearing the intonation of the voices, we can't really tell what happened. Maybe both were saucy, maybe both were polite, maybe one was and not the other. Let's face it, any eyewitness accounts from the people there are bound to be biased. I don't think it's a big deal except that the press is playing up the irony of Jim Webb's son fighting in combat in Iraq and George Bush's daughters partying and getting drunk in Argentina. The growing divide between an arrogant and effete elite and a restive, patriotic middle class is interesting.
- martalli, on 10/12/2007, -3/+8I am surprised to see right wing pundits assail a soldier's family. Now we hear that his son was nearly killed just before this meeting, and yet pundits still seem more concerned with the way the president feels, than for a soldier's family.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5"Since when were the words "socialism" and "slavery" interchangeable?"
Since 1917? - method3, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7I think most people forgot somewhere along the way that this is about Bush. This isn't supposed to be an opportunity to flame the right or the left, it's an opportunity to flame Bush (no matter what party you're affiliated with).
Here's the bottom line I think about the whole situation. Regardless of whether or not Bush was being polite or sensitive when he made the statement, if you believed that your children are at very high risk in an unjust conflict and the person responsible for involving your children in that conflict asked you how your children were doing, how would you feel? I'd bet you'd feel like you just got slapped.
Now if you believed that the conflict IS just then being asked that question would probably be received completely differently. - ardenr, on 10/12/2007, -7/+11I guess sensiitivity was never a huge part of his silver spooned, silk pantied, frat boy jerkoff lifestyle huh... *****, if I had that man as my mother (Barbara) I'd probably be a tad insensitive too... Though I like to think that even if I was born into the Bush dynasty I still wouldn't be labelled "worst president ever".
- TomRitchford, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5Gee, it's really hard not to see Bush as the worst President ever.
We have 9/11, where he failed before (by ignoring multiple warnings from experts), during (where he did nothing at all), and after (by not changing the broken system and by almost immediately forgetting about Bin Laden).
We have Iraq, where he failed before (by lying to the American public and by not bothering to plan) and during (by not bothering to react before and during).
We have New Orleans where he failed before, during and after. We have Afghanistan, would would have thought we'd still be fighting -- and losing -- in Afghantistan almost *five years later*!
We have the largest deficits of any country, ever, in the history of the planet. We have legalized torture, including people who we now admit were innocent who were tortured to death. We have a President who's proud of the fact that he doesn't believe the law applies to him.
And then we have Enron, the anthrax attack, our collapsing power system, wiretapping, all problems that appeared on his watch and were screwed up like all the other things he ever touched.
An impressively poor record.
Exactly what good has Bush accomplished to offset this endless series of mistakes? - geekwithsoul, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6First let me say that after having met Jim Webb, he's just about the least partisan elected official I've ever met. This is a man who was a Reagan's Secretary of the Navy and got so fed up with the GOP ***** that he decided to run for the Senate as a Democrat (which in Virginia is like being a Republican in many other states).
The two issues he's most passionate about are the war in Irag and the fact that the current economic system is setup to just make the rich wealthier and is shrinking the middle class. For all of you conservatives who have been hailing this as a liberal attack, remember Jim Webb is pro-gun, anti-gay marriage, and holds many other "conservative" stances.
That said, when the Commander in Chief, who lied to get us into Iraq, asks how your son, who is serving in Iraq, is doing I think "I'd like to bring them home, Mr. President." is a reasonable statement. He (Webb) was not disrespectful to either the man or the office in his response to the President, despite ample provocation. - EntropyMan, on 10/12/2007, -13/+17Just bringing it up is kind of insensitive. If Bush really wanted to know, he could ask the joint chiefs on down the line.
The fact that Bush is the one that sent them there kind of makes it like me shooting you in the eye and then asking "how's your vision?"
No matter how nicely I say it, I still shot you in the eye. Step one is to stop the bleeding. Step two is to have someone confiscate the gun and meet justice. Steps 9 or 10 are a direct apology and then some genuine concern about your vision. - AlphaEta, on 10/12/2007, -5/+9@ Seattle: Again, I don't have a problem with people posting political opinion! I've just noticed a trend toward more polarized websites. Just an observation.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Are yor crazy? Do you know how many microbes can live and thrive on a toilet seat?
I'd prefer a hard working cleaning staff, thank you. If that job gets done half ass, people can get sick. - geekwithsoul, on 10/12/2007, -3/+6"I'd like to bring them home, Mr. President." -- how exactly does that make him a douche?
Also, before Webb was a Republican, he was actually a Democrat, but after serving his country in Vietnam and seeing how the Democrats of the day were demonizing everything and everyone associated with the military, he became a Republican. In interviews, he and his wife say that the turning point that brought him back to the Democratic party was the administration's missteps in both Iraq and with Hurricane Katrina, when it became obvious that they had stopped even pretending to care about the majority of Americans.
Jim Webb is a decorated veteran amongst his other accomplishments (novelist, screenplay writer, etc.), and for that alone deserves your respect just as every veteran does. Sounds like your the ***** douche. - danielwsmithee, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5ice you sound a lot like Kerry, is that you John?
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