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- Insightful, on 11/06/2009, -8/+47No *****. Democrats are not the ones panicking.
The media is breathless with this "stinging rebuke" for Obama's policies when the two elections that Republicans won are at State level and have no influence on national policy. However, no attention is paid to the two new Congressman who are.... Democratic!
Republicans should be the ones panicking - their candidates actually withdrew from NY-23's election!
In my State, Carly Fiorina has just announced her campaign against Boxer. I am no fan of Boxer but Carly is going to go down in flames. She got fired from HP and essentially got fired from the McCain team as well saying neither he nor Palin could run a corporation.
So now, as a liberal, I am rather looking forward to 2010 as Republicans alienate more Americans while calling the rest of Americans Nazis who are afraid of the Constitution and freedom. - WhiskeyWrites, on 11/05/2009, -2/+36I'm more convinced that if anything this may just show that people are looking to toss out whoever happens to be there now, and since parties generally don't run a primary against their own incumbents, the only alternative to win is the other party.
- Xaevier, on 11/05/2009, -2/+30The Democrat in New Jersey lost because he PROMISED TO INCREASE TOLLS BY 800%
Personally I think he would have had a less volatile reaction if he had set a flag on fire. - ChuyMatt, on 11/05/2009, -4/+30Welcome to the Football Nation: where the ONLY thing that matters is that your team _WINS_
- areber04, on 11/06/2009, -4/+28I think it's funny the Republicans claim that this is a "referendum on Obama" when they lost the only elections that had anything to do with the Federal government.
- BlueDjinn, on 11/06/2009, -4/+26Not to mention that the two Democrats who *won* both came out in favor of the healthcare public option--even the one in the GOP district (which hasn't gone Dem in 120 years).
The Dem running for governor in Virginia got his ass kicked after publicly stating that he *opposed* the public option, and that he'd probably opt out of it if elected.
The two Republicans who *avoided* Sarah Palin like the plague (in both NJ and VA), by refusing her offer to campaign for them, won. The Republican who *embraced* Palin, Beck, and ***** crazy Bachmann, in a staunchly conservative district--lost.
Tell me again how these are bad signs for progressives? - Thistlejack, on 11/06/2009, -4/+25The Daily show is the only group of commentators who got it right. Both sides had speeches ready to go that claimed the election meant either everything or nothing for national politics.
- Paranor01, on 11/05/2009, -8/+29lol you're funny
- SwedishSkinJer, on 11/06/2009, -7/+23This never fails to amuse me:
Some Republicans on this thread are speaking out against "big government" when many of their party leaders are outspoken social conservatives that want to INCREASE government involvement in social matters. Glenn Beck lost so much of his credibility outside of the Religious Right with his nonsensical "godless" rant...complete with those godawful crocodile tears. - LouiseCalabro, on 11/06/2009, -5/+17FTA: "So the good news for Republicans is that they now have two more governorships. The bad news is that they’re still Republicans — with all the baggage that entails."
- KokomoNYC, on 11/06/2009, -0/+12Congress would be a lot cooler if everyone had to wear either red (R) or blue (D) giant foam #1 hands while in session.
- Insightful, on 11/06/2009, -3/+14Wrong. Taxing the rich has worked in virtually every single industrialized country. Hell, in FInland, your traffic ticket is based on your income, hence the story of Jari Bär, a millionaire, getting a ticket for USD $143K. Finland - a country going to hell right?
People are motivated by income. Even if you are a millionaire taxed at 60%, and bring home $400K, you would still prefer to be that rather than making $500K, only taxed at 30% and bring home $350K. Going Galt is just about the most stupid thing I have ever heard. - rotundo, on 11/06/2009, -0/+11Wow, that's awesome about the traffic ticket/income thing. I'd considered that idea before -- being rich should not lessen your punishment when you break a law, thus fines must be based on income. I had no idea anyplace actually did that.
- BerateBirthers, on 11/06/2009, -4/+15Virginia and New Jersey may mean nothing but I'm guessing taking a district for the first time since the Civil War means a heck. Also, what does it mean when the Republican endorses the Democrat over the nutty conservative that Sarah Palin comes running for?
- WhiskeyWrites, on 11/06/2009, -0/+10My point was more about incumbents being ousted in favor of someone else, so a race where there was no one in the seat would be different. Also, I'm not saying EVERY race is going to turn out that way, just that I am not sure either side can try and call a total victory just yet.
- shauncorleone, on 11/06/2009, -0/+9Part of the anger in NY-23 was that the GOPs candidate was hand-picked by the party, not in a primary. So yeah, I'd say there was a bit of a "voting against the established order" going on there.
- SwedishSkinJer, on 11/06/2009, -2/+101) Corzine was an unpopular incumbent, and he still managed to do pretty decently. Christie emerging as the victor wasn't much of a surprise.
2) Deeds was an uninspiring candidate who wasn't really much of a progressive at all. Many of my friends in the state said that his inconsistency as a Blue Dog alienated many Democrats, particularly when it came to his statements on the public option. - mnocket, on 11/05/2009, -14/+22Yes, keep calling the very people you need to persuade to vote for you in the future, teabaggers and astroturfers. People like to be denigrated by politicians and will surely vote for you.
- inactive, on 11/06/2009, -3/+11You still don't provide any evidence to back up your claim.
- RentalCanoe, on 11/06/2009, -1/+9The majority of Americans still support President Obama. Nice try, though.
- Bartboy919, on 11/06/2009, -3/+10Well, if you knew anything, Deeds wasn't that inspiring of a candidate, and Corzine had a lot of problems, one of them being an incumbent.
- novenator, on 11/06/2009, -11/+18Although the GOP is trying to duplicate exactly what they did in 1993-94 (shift blame, increase negativity and scare tactics, energize their base, and turn everyone else off from politics), I think the wounds of the failures under Republican rule are still too fresh for this to work this time. The election could frankly go either way right now, but it certainly won't be rout like 1994.
- cppwizard, on 11/06/2009, -3/+10Obama (and the NY Times) certainly thought it was a big deal last weekend...
"On Tuesday, Mr. Obama campaigned with R. Creigh Deeds, the Democratic candidate for governor, who is striving to overcome a deficit in money and momentum in the closing days of his campaign against Robert F. McDonnell. The president urged his supporters to stand behind Mr. Deeds and keep a Democrat in the governor’s office. The president, scheduled to appear at FIVE New Jersey events before sundown, landed in the World Series-obsessed city of Philadelphia and was met by Mr. Corzine, who traveled with him to Susquehanna Bank Center in downtown Camden."
- from the NY Times, 11/2/09
The NY Times (and some diggers here) have selective memories. Go ahead, relax, and see what happens next year. - zoomer123, on 11/06/2009, -1/+7The Progressive Era (that lasted from the 1890s to the 1920s) created a bigger middle class. The Bush tax cuts, on the other hand, helped only the rich profit-driven 1%.
Unlike the United States, Finland actually knows how to run their social programs without going bankrupt because they actually own corporations that knows how to make profits. If the US government tried to pull off something like that over here, conservatives would scream "SOCIALISM" as if it was bad word.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Finnish_gover ...
Altia, government-owned, holds 40% of the market share in wine and 60% in hard liquor in Finland. And yes, Finland happens to be ranked #1 in quality of life and #2 most stable country in the world. Progressive ideas work.
Conservative ideology can be seen practiced during Grover Cleveland's presidency and the Gilded Age. - Elranzer, on 11/06/2009, -0/+5The federal government increased under George W Bush than any other president. He wasn't a liberal or a RINO. He had a specific conservative agenda to push on the American people.
- phogasmic, on 11/06/2009, -0/+5Its not. I'm from Jersey, I consider myself a Dem but I didn't vote for Corzine cause he sucks ass. It has nothing to do with Obama. I'm sure there are plenty of other voters who were thinking the same way.
I think the real indicator is the New York's 23rd Congressional District race, where the Tea Bagger was beat in a District that has voted Republican consistently for over 100 years. To me that speaks volumes about the results if the Republicans decide to listen to the Tea Bag wing and run Uber Conservatives. - phogasmic, on 11/06/2009, -1/+6I from NJ, I didn't vote for Corzine because he sucks for NJ. It had nothing to do with Obama, I barely thought about him.
- zoomer123, on 11/06/2009, -0/+5Just to clarify why "conservative ideology" can be seen practiced during democrat Grover Cleveland's presidency. Grover Cleveland believed in classical liberalism (kinda like Ron Paul), supported gold standard, opposed taxes, and opposed unions (Pullman Strike). In his second term, he was flooded with economic disasters in his failure to recognize the need for more regulation. Farmers were being screwed by railroad companies. And Cleveland simply ignored them because of his strong belief in laissez-faire.
FDR and his fifth cousin TR completely reversed that. Philanthropy, innovation, women rights, black rights, unions, .....all sparked through reform in the Progressive Era. - Delphium226, on 11/06/2009, -0/+4Funny how the percentage of self-identified republicans has gone down as the number of independents has gone up.
- falconear, on 11/06/2009, -0/+4I'm not sure we need to relax. Forget about the Republicons, they're self-destructing. We need to stay vigilant because it was activism that got Obama elected in 2008 and it's activism that will keep them working for what the people want over the next 3 years.
- Elranzer, on 11/06/2009, -0/+4You mean where the Democrats gained two House seats?
- jd75, on 11/06/2009, -0/+4I never thought of tickets like that before! They should be income based! A speeding ticket used to absolutely devastate my family when I was growing up. But to a CEO, a $200 ticket is tip jar money.
- LemonMachete, on 11/06/2009, -0/+4Like all the conservatives who want the government to tell gay people they can't get married or cancer patients they can't use medical marijuana? Give me a ***** break. Conservatives only want less government when the government does something they don't like. When the government is waging two wars in the middle east to secure oil interests or wiretapping their citizens to 'defeat' terrorists conservatives are running around waving American flags and calling everyone else godless unpatriotic communist. When they quadruple the size of the government and dangerously deregulate the finical markets they don't even notice. But if a democrat wants to make sure that everyone can afford health care they scream bloody murder. American conservatives have so perverted the term in the past 30 years that it's a ***** joke.
- phogasmic, on 11/06/2009, -2/+5Thats a reflection of how splintered the Republicans are and why they are going to lose big in 2010.
- archiesteel, on 11/06/2009, -0/+3"Also your example outlines a point that I think is absolutely crazy. Guy #1 does enough work to make double what Guy #2 makes yet Guy #1 only brings home 50K more then Guy #2."
You're assuming that income is somewhat proportional to the amount of work done, however that has no basis in reality. The market dictates how much people are paid, not the amount of work.
CEOs make on average 300x the salary of an entry-level clerk. They do not work 300x as hard - heck, they don't even work *twice* as hard.
I'm in the top 5% of income earners, and I have absolutely no problems paying more taxes. It's only fair. - bjornski, on 11/06/2009, -0/+3I think it should be a red or blue suit, with patches to display each of the corporations they represent.
Kind of like NASCAR does. - falconear, on 11/06/2009, -0/+3Plus he was part of the banking-government complex that almost ruined the country last year. We need those aholes like Republicans need the teabaggers.
- phogasmic, on 11/06/2009, -1/+4Exactly, I think that Congressional race speaks volumes about the state of the Republican party particularly the Tea baggers.
- bmad965, on 11/06/2009, -3/+6It all depends on which side you support. If your side wins, it's how everyone in the country feels and predicts the outcome of the next national election. If your side loses, it's just a local election and doesn't really matter.
- kelly, on 11/06/2009, -2/+5Is your comment really so noteworthy to repeat it?
- Isenborg, on 11/06/2009, -2/+5Uh huh. Shades of things to come my friends. You've allowed extremists to speak for your party and America is beginning to take note.
- Delphium226, on 11/06/2009, -0/+2I thought McCain was supposed to bring us disappointment.
- hughesw2, on 11/06/2009, -0/+2Also, they really ought to be doing more in terms of product positioning.
"The following resolution is brought to you by the men and women of Exxon-Mobil who remind you..." - seraph1982, on 11/06/2009, -1/+3Stop worrying about Republican vs Democrat, please, so we can actually get some ***** done around here.
- hughesw2, on 11/06/2009, -0/+2@bjornski
sounds like a win-win to me
we get to see who our representatives are beholden to
interest groups get valuable advertising - Elranzer, on 11/06/2009, -1/+3Considering that the only way to "vote them all out" is to switch every Democrat with a Republican challenger, and every Republican with a Democrat challenger, that would put the White House and Congress back into the hands of Republicans.
Yeah, I can see why you'd want to get behind that. I'm sure you weren't chanting "vote them all out" before 2006. - Delphium226, on 11/06/2009, -1/+3Hard to sleep with the right wing scream machine spewing out random nonsense.
- AngryDeuce, on 11/06/2009, -0/+2@detwiljp:
I'd really like to know where you've worked that income was directly related to how hard you worked...every job I've ever had it's pretty much directly opposite. I've been the low man on the totem pole and I've been the guy in charge of everyone, and I assure you...the higher you go, the less hard you work. Sure, I may have been given tasks to complete...but I just turned around and delegated them to those below me. I personally did little but check on them and give progress reports to MY boss.
Hell, I've even worked in a commission based system where you would THINK that hard work would equal more money, but that wasn't really true either. It was all luck...being in the right place at the right time. Some of the laziest people I knew managed to make an insane amount of money in commissions simply by hiding from people that didn't look like they were gonna spend money and poaching sales from other salespeople.
Everyone in this country should shoulder the tax burden equally according to how much money they're making. It's not right that a single guy with no dependents is dropping 30%+ of his check every week while the married guy with dual incomes makes 3 times what the single guy does, pays 10% in taxes, AND gets a bigger rebate at the end of the year to boot. How the ***** is that fair? - Delphium226, on 11/06/2009, -0/+2"Completely false"
Completely unsubstantiated argument. Please back up assertion with data.
(is that you BogusIP?) - archiesteel, on 11/06/2009, -1/+3mcosmi: correct, but the agenda being rejected is the Republicans', not the Democrats'.
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