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- oldugly2, on 01/05/2009, -3/+121Me, I'm just a little old voter but I'll tell you in no uncertain terms that i'm pissed at the whole jackass group of them.
They are pissed?
Screw them, all of them....
....bunch of damn friggin imbecile asses to a man.....
As a republican i say we turn out every single republican office holder, that we do it for the next 12 years if need be, to clean out this den of useless and stupid thieves who call themselves republicans....
And don't even mention that palin women.... if you support her you are part of the problem, so get out of my party and get out of politics you jackass, you are to stupid to be voting anyway, move to AK if you think that boneheaded semi literate bimbo is qualified for president.
And then, maybe, if we bite the bullit now, in 12 years we can have a party led by intelligent reasonable conservatives who speak in ways we can follow and be proud to point to as our views...
Ohh yeah, one last thing, as long as we are a party of pasty faced old white men and big haired pinched up white women who seem to be a majority of bigots and church crazy fools we will never get anywhere. You crazy bigots get out of my party as well. - michaelpinto, on 01/05/2009, -5/+60Why aren't the Ron Paul supporters trying to go after this? This is what happened after 2004 when the Howard Dean supporters went after the same position — which did open the door for Obama in 2008.
- WordsnCollision, on 01/05/2009, -2/+35Spoken from the heart and using his brain - and stay the hell off his lawn!
- mouthbreether, on 01/05/2009, -0/+31Ron Paul will never be that guy. The party wants more power over the people, not less.
- bigsteve, on 01/05/2009, -2/+33Here's my two cents, for what it's worth... the conservative party needs to de-spouse itself from the backwards rights-stifling bible-thumping science-retarding party it's been for too long now. It's hard to say who politicized and partisanized social issues, but it needs to be reversed. Abortion, gay rights, etc shouldn't be political issues at all. Not for, not against, just not wasted time on. We have too much to deal with as a country to continue catering to people who can't mind their own god damn business.
I'm a conservative, and I was fairly turned off by the McCain Palin ticket, mainly because I saw through the Palin addition to the ticket as intelligence-insulting pandering to women and the chronically nosey (I refuse to think of "social conservatives" as anything else, because that's all they are.) For clarification, I didn't vote for Obama either. - pintomp3, on 01/05/2009, -2/+30reagan increased the national debt more than any previous president. he sold arms to terrorist groups in order to fund death squads in central america and then lied about it. he supported segregation in the US and apartheid in south africa. ***** reagan.
- inactive, on 01/05/2009, -2/+22Hey kids! It's time for some vintage 1975 cognitive dissonance!! Like good wine, it only gets better with time...
"If you analyze it I believe the very heart and soul of conservatism is libertarianism. I think conservatism is really a misnomer just as liberalism is a misnomer for the liberals–if we were back in the days of the Revolution, so-called conservatives today would be the Liberals and the liberals would be the Tories. The basis of conservatism is a desire for less government interference or less centralized authority or more individual freedom and this is a pretty general description also of what libertarianism is." -- Ronald Reagan from http://www.reason.com/news/show/29318.html - Godwhacker, on 01/05/2009, -3/+22The Republican Party is so corrupt, so out of touch with voters, and so far from what they used to stand for, they need to go the way of the Whigs. In fact, I know a local politician who left the Republicans for the Whigs. Maybe the Whigs will make a comeback. Or the Libertarians should replace the GOP.
- inactive, on 01/05/2009, -2/+20Reagan didn't shrink government enough. That's why the guy who was REALLY popular this time (the only one with any goddamn chance, but "experts" said otherwise until the fiscal ***** shut them the ***** up, but good!) left the Republican party in 1988 and ran as a Libertarian. He was right then, he was right this time, and I'm proud I voted for him BOTH times. Republicans need to quit stealing Libertarian words and then governing as statists, it makes 'em lose elections.
- normlsparky, on 01/05/2009, -1/+19The Republican Party could become a viable option for many voters if the bigots and religious wingnuts were forced out. Let them go form their own party.
- MeatMountain, on 01/05/2009, -2/+16I hope Palin splinters the party into separate factions of frothing Freepers and Randroids. Then we can finally have our second Golden Age while they roll around in the mud pointing fingers at each other for ruining their party.
- BigLeeThree, on 01/05/2009, -1/+14I logged in just to give this reply a thumbs up.
- oldugly2, on 01/05/2009, -1/+14Seems my Republicanness is in doubt by those Palin goodness loving dumb butts you betcha...
So here it is...
I have voted almost straight republican since RR.
I hate to admit it know but i voted for Bush twice.... Ohh the shame of that in hindsite....
What was good and right about the party has been high jacked by dumbass Palin loving church crazy bigots.
That is the plain truth, simple as pie.
Being Republican does not mean i am so stupid as to believe and follow any turd that gets elected under the name.
I am a Republican and i say I want the Church Crazy out of Politics Period. Take their tax exemption away if they so much as utter a word of politics. That would shut them up :) - SHannonOBrien, on 01/05/2009, -0/+13We are trying but those within the party in positions of power want nothing to do with it. They are all neoconservatives who hijacked the republican party 8 years ago. Whenever we start to make headway they break their own rules to win or make up new rules in their favor.
- pinchduck, on 01/05/2009, -0/+13Does the small and shrinking libertarian wing of the party have a horse in this race? Other than that, it's between the "deficits don't matter" folks who like to borrow and spend and cut taxes for their buddies, and the "young earth" creation types who want to meddle with education. It's a sucker's choice either way. Ugh.
- MxM111, on 01/05/2009, -0/+12"a party led by intelligent reasonable conservatives"
Sorry, but today it is an oxymoron. I think it is easier to go with new party, like libertarian, then trying to revive this monster of GOP. The problem with social conservatism is that it is faith based, so normal rules do not apply. You can't reason them you can't talk them out, they are blindly following their faith in masses electing party officials supporting the same position in the same way - blind faith. This is what mixing religion and politics led too... - InorganicMatter, on 01/05/2009, -0/+12I'm not pissed any more. I jumped the party ship and haven't looked back. The Bush I supported in 2000 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F9SOVzMV2bc) isn't even the same human being in office now, and the nomination of John McCain instead of Ron Paul only affirmed my choice.
GG Republicans. Can't wait until this has-been political party moves out and makes room for the Libertarian party. - SHannonOBrien, on 01/05/2009, -0/+11'Trying to use the RNC as a club to try and stop people from meeting together is like looking for a government bailout,” said Bopp, who added that the conservative group had grown to some 90 members. “We’ve sought out and invited every conservative member who agrees, you know, with our goals.” '
They're only inviting people who agree with the party leadership. Hmm... maybe THIS is what's wrong with the Republican party! - oldhick, on 01/05/2009, -3/+15"He'd be better off switching to the Libertarian party.", he might be better off, but we're better off by having some alternative view points in the GOP. I hope that he and more like him will stick around and begin to diminish the stranglehold the social conservatives and neocons have on the party.
- sheeplescareme, on 01/05/2009, -10/+22excellent rant, sir!
sad as it may be, it seems that the neo-cons have hi-jacked your party. just a suggestion, but you may wish to look at the libertarian party.
http://www.lp.org/ - muckemuck, on 01/05/2009, -0/+11They're asking for input on what should be asked of the RNC chair candidates for the upcoming debate (Jan 5th): http://www.rncdebate.org/index.php?sortby=question ...
My bet is they won't ask any of the questions that need to be asked. - Ne007, on 01/05/2009, -0/+11The only way to win is to take over the Republican party and become the Republican party.
Going to the libertarian party gives you a death sentence when looking to get things changed.
The Republican party is the major party in control and their are privileges that come with it in the vote. Neocons do not give up those privileges easily as you seen when Ron Paul was around....they bend the rules, have the media on their side and even shut down the system when it isn't working for them.
But the only way for us to change things is to take over the major party...show up and demand change. - oldugly2, on 01/05/2009, -2/+13I've been voting Republican since before and since RR you palin loving jackass. The fact that she is a female does not change the fact she is a stupid as you and you are stupid as a post.
I am a pasty old white man, straight, married and 50 years old. Ohh yeah I live in Georgia as well.
Truth just hurts idiots like you.
So piss off AKCHRS - crod23, on 01/05/2009, -2/+12akchrs,
You're disillusioned at best. OldUgly's comment was SPOT ON to what most intelligent conservatives think. The fact is that one of the fundamental tenets this country was founded on is a separation of church and state. It's a sad day when you must be a GAWD fearing man in order to be on the conservative side of politics. What the hell does god have to do with government?
Palin was the most under-qualified VP candidate ever. My previous statement takes into account the historical significance that goes with it. If you disagree, please don't resort to calling me a woman hater. Please support your statement with at least one person, either elected to, or in candidacy for the office of VP.
Frankly, As a registered republican I was appalled at the overt pandering for former Hillary supporters. It reminded me of a 4 year old child jumping up and down screaming, "Look at me!!! Look at me!!!! I have a woman on my ticket!!!!" - sheeplescareme, on 01/05/2009, -13/+23paul is the only real republican. the rest are rinos and neo-cons. if the chair is following the constitution and not selling out to lobbyists and corporations, the others would have to follow suit. can't have that in washington, now can we?
- nightsweat, on 01/05/2009, -2/+11Let's hope they decide they need to go even harder right and *****-crazy to win elections. I'd like to see Dems in power for at least 20 years.
- jamesmcm, on 01/05/2009, -3/+12The Democrats and Republicans are two sides of the same coin... when Goldman Sachs is the largest contributor to the candidates of _both_ parties how can you ever expect a fair and true democracy?
- EarlOfLade, on 01/05/2009, -3/+12You miss Ronald "Sleeping Beauty" Reagan, a criminal from the 80's who did more bad than good for both this country and the world? You got to ***** be kidding me. That moron was a criminal, see the Iran - Contras scandal among other things. Reagan was one of the worst presidents USA has ever had. He was a total ignorant about most things, slept through the presidency and made outrageous statements that made people question his sanity and you want more?
A B actor and an F president and you want a copy of this clown? - oldugly2, on 01/05/2009, -0/+9as I said to the other blind jackass...
I've been voting Republican since before and since RR you palin loving fool. The fact that she is a female does not change the fact she is a stupid as you and you are stupid as a brick. Will you damn fools please just stop voting! and go away!
I am a pasty old white man, straight, married and 50 years old and I live in Georgia as well.
Truth just hurts idiots like you.
So piss off ginger007 you don't know a damn thing but whats up your butt. - thespiff, on 01/05/2009, -4/+13I hate to admit it, but this sort of story makes me smile. Finally the Republicans are on their heels.
Unless they get serious about this and embrace the growing Libertarian movement, all of this bickering is pointless.
But honestly, my guy won, so I don't really care if it takes the Repubs 8 years to do some soul searching and get their act together. We don't need them right now anyway. - inactive, on 01/05/2009, -1/+9Count me in as among those pissed at social conservatives! (well not pissed, but I'm not happy with them!)
- kronzdigg, on 01/05/2009, -0/+8Move toward freedom and liberty of the people. That's a novel idea.
- bigsteve, on 01/05/2009, -3/+11@DrivinWest: First, I wouldn't completely call Paul a Libertarian. Social Libertarian Fiscal Conservative, perhaps. Just because most other Republicans have lost their way doesn't mean they've changed the definition of the word.
- Nairebis, on 01/05/2009, -2/+9The Libertarians are far too insane to ever be a good party. My favorite example is that they have, right in the platform, a plan to self off the national parks to the highest bidder. And that's just what's in the platform. The stuff they keep hidden in the philosophy (e.g., private fire departments, 100% private roads, etc) are just too insane.
The problem with the Libertarians is that they have a kernel of a good idea, and then they take it too utterly lunatic levels.
The Republican party was meant to be Libertarians without the insanity. - inactive, on 01/05/2009, -3/+10Republicans need to grow up and practice what they preach, which includes respecting libertarian loyal stalwarts like Ron Paul instead of tossing them aside amid massive media bias. Yammering in a "plank" (I think you might mean platform) is meaningless to me, just as the LP's platform's meaningless unless any elected libertarians actually have the balls to vote like they talk. I'm plenty grown up, sonny.
- o0joshua0o, on 01/05/2009, -2/+9The Republican party no longer adheres to its own basic tenets, and has therefore retains its former identity in name only. The true conservatives are Libertarians now.
- Ne007, on 01/05/2009, -1/+8No no...NeoCons joining together to steer the course for the Republican party is exactly what you described.
I can see them now making a checklist:
-Trillion dollar spending for a never ending war: "Check"
-Bigger government than we ever had before: "Check"
-Trillion dollar buyouts to special interest banks and companies: "check"
-Corruption of government that doesn't take into account any laws including constitutional or international: "Check"
-Do as we say not as we do attitude: "Check"
-erosion of constitutional rights: "Check"
-completely ***** and division of the country of the country into pessimism and bankruptcy: "Check"
I know I don't want that to be one of the major voting parties in my country.
And you definitely have it backwards....these NeoCons are like Baptists trying to tell Catholics what their doctrine should be.......it's completely opposite of Republicans traditionally stand for.
I really don't get where people say these things sorry....and this attitude is what got us two Liberal parties because the Republicans ARE LIBERALS TODAY! The Libertarians are the only true fiscally conservative group out there but the voting laws are bias against them. - KegBol, on 01/05/2009, -0/+7That's the kind of Republican an independent can believe in. Someone who believes in pragmatic conservatism for the good it undoubtedly does (sometimes), not the crazy ideology of the bastard neo-cons that hijacked the whole notion.
I never want to see America in the hands of madmen of any kind again, even if they are American, have the 'right' family and work for the 'right' companies. When even America's natural allies - the conservatives in countries friendly to America, like the UK - are saying '***** America', something had to change. - Nairebis, on 01/05/2009, -12/+19I like a lot of what Ron Paul says, but unfortunately goes way, way, way too far and he comes off as insane. People are tired of extremists. What people want are pragmatists, which is what Obama seems to be (contrary to the frothing right wing who sees socialists everywhere).
Ron Paul supporters don't want to admit that Ron Paul's message was heard by the population -- and rejected. It wasn't a media conspiracy. People just don't want radicalism anymore.
And the truth is that we don't need or want radicalism. It doesn't work, never has. Things are too complex to be reduced down to simple ideas. It takes a patchwork of ideas to get to where we need to go.
[Burn the pragmatist at the stake!] - crod23, on 01/05/2009, -0/+7Sadly, I think that's my point earlier, in that, regardless of the side of the isle, religion and politics aren't supposed to mix.
I'm dismayed that today it seems that "conservative", and "religious wingnut" are synonymous. - FurklDaJerk, on 01/05/2009, -3/+10After the wars, false flag terrorism, devastated economy... After what the Republicrats did to stop Ron Paul and all his supporters... From Nevada, to Lousisana, to New Hampshire, to Hawaii... The corruption in this party runs so deep you'd have to dig to China to find the bottom of it.
Nope, sorry to the Republican Party... You are NOT conservative, never have been, and never will be. You will not recover from this, unless you ACCEPT THE BLAME OF WHAT YOU HAVE DONE.
APOLOGIZE TO THE PEOPLE FOR YOUR ARROGANCE, YOUR CORRUPTION, YOUR GREED, AND YOUR WILL FOR ABSOLUTE POWER.
This goes out to Sue Lowden of Nevada who stopped the State Republican Convention, and took from the the people of Nevada, the right to vote in the State Convention, where the NV Republican Party chose all of the Delegates behind closed doors. - inactive, on 01/05/2009, -1/+8Sorry to comment hijack, but it looks like the ATR/RNC is already trying to steer the debate and squash "inappropriate" questions...or they have a hell of a bug in their submission filters:
http://texpundit.com/stuff/rncdebate-ss-1.png - PopcornDave, on 01/05/2009, -4/+11Both parties want more power to control the people. It's not exclusive to one or the other.
- inactive, on 01/05/2009, -0/+5more fun than a barrel full of mongooses.
tear yourselves to pieces you haggard beasts, and drown in your own blood. - pathouston22, on 01/05/2009, -9/+15The true Republican base really is the best party, tax less, spend less, less government. However, there are hardly any true Republicans in the Republican party. They are all ***** liberals with their bailouts and spending.
- wilhoitm, on 01/05/2009, -0/+6Someone needs to save them from themselves!
- Groovydoo, on 01/05/2009, -2/+8I actually voted for George Bush in 2000 but when we got $40-billion into the Iraq war, I felt like I was "date raped!" Then there was his farm bills, the "Patriot Act," the signing statements, Katrina, Haliburton, and don't even get me started on the Blackwater mercnaries. I longed for the days of Jimmy Carter over this fruitcake Fascist.
- oldhick, on 01/05/2009, -0/+6@Murdats, seriously? How do parties positions change? Answer, by the people in the party changing the parties position. It doesn't magically happen. So simply because someone's positions aren't in line with the parties doesn't mean they're not a member of the party. They might simply be trying to influence and change the party.
- klesb, on 01/05/2009, -2/+8Republican Party: A dishonored and dysfunctional political party in its death throes. Not a pretty sight. Don't watch.
Move on. Create a conservative party - we are the majority, you know! We need our own party. My recommendation is to move to an existing and compatible political party which has an existing infrastructure like the Constitution Party. We need to move en masse for this to be effective. If we do, it will become our party.
Where are the conservatives leaders who will lead us from this post-Reagan Republican Party disaster? All we have now are obsolescent talk show hosts who claim to be conservatives, but are joined at the hip with the R. Party, and refuse to even mention another alternative choice. They think that an intra-party squabble will result in a unified party at the end of the fight . What could they possibly be smoking? If they do not have an epiphany soon, it will be time to move on from them also - for those who have not already moved! Guys and gals - we have already seen behind the curtain! Give it up! - Ne007, on 01/05/2009, -0/+6You aren't a Republican...you're a NeoCon.
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