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REAL ID: Rise of the Resistance
tenthamendmentcenter.com — Federal standards for identification are not authorized by the Constitution. It doesn ’t matter whether they’re enforced through “laws” or economic “incentives” to the States. The politicians, by trying to force this on us without amending the Constitution to allow it, are showing utter contempt for states’ rights and the principles of the Tenth Ame
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- tidu, on 10/12/2007, -1/+62I think these states are doing a great service, but the question is how far will the states go in the name of resistance. The government could just say "Okay, no real-id for you, but you lose millions in highway grants" and these states might give in. We really need to get off our asses and take back this country before it's too late
- trevorml0878, on 10/12/2007, -7/+53then they should forget about their money, legalize hemp and cash in on that multi-billion dollar crop instead.
- tidu, on 10/12/2007, -17/+13Sorry to reply to my own post, but after looknig deeper into the article, I found that they forgot to mention the "necessary and proper" clause that allows Congress to make all laws necessary and proper for the welfare of the state. I know we don't see REAL ID as necessary nor proper, but those with their heads in their asses do. REAL ID IS constitutional. The article is a little biased, but it's still more sane than our current administration.
- InfamousAtheist, on 10/12/2007, -6/+23@tidu,
I think the Supreme Court should decide if REAL ID is constitutional or not. - senorcool, on 10/12/2007, -3/+24I really just don't like the idea of all of my information on one card. Identity theft maybe?
Also, if this is in a reaction to 9/11, they should at least change airport security first because it is true (look it up) that you can travel airlines without any identification. You might get strip searched, but you can do it. A REAL ID then would be pointless to stop airplane related terrorism.
One more thing...I've heard from places (mostly conspiratorial websites) that these REAL ID's are going to be GPS capable or something. Don't know if its true or not. - expatriot, on 10/12/2007, -30/+17Real ID is constitutional? LOL!!! What are you, stupid? What's that amendment that says you don't have to incriminate yourself? Oh yeah--the 5th amendment, *****. Every time you flash any sort of idenfitification in order to prove who you are, the government essentially is saying that you are not who you say you are and that you require proof--identification. Not only that, but we all know that these cops/cashier clerks are now running background checks with identification, so again, it's in violation of the 5th amendment.
But you lemmings don't know how to interpret the Constitution. You're better at watching 1st grade commercials and doing what you're told in monosyllabic, less than 5 word commands. - InfamousAtheist, on 10/12/2007, -12/+12@senorcool,
I'd love to see your source confirming you can travel on airlines without ID. I think you're mistaken. Provide some proof.
@expatriot,
I agree with your point... but you're a complete *****. Go away. - ryanmetcalf, on 10/12/2007, -3/+13@InfamousAtheist:
I wish I had an article to prove it, but I didn't have my driver's license (or any other real ID, had an old HS ID card) when I flew to Miami from Kansas City last year. I was however patted down manually, my shoes went through the x-ray twice, and my backpack was entirely emptied and sorted. I was 18 at the time.
Flying back from Miami, I actually was scrutinized less.
oh, and in case your curious, my license was still inside my scanner @ home. Don't ask. - senorcool, on 10/12/2007, -3/+13@infamousatheist
http://blog.washingtonpost.com/securityfix/2006/11/boarding_pass_hacker_breaks_si.html
Ive met the guy who made the fake boarding passes. He is a PHD student and Indiana University who has been vigorously pointing out flaws in our airport security. Including how easy it is to make fake boarding passes not to access a flight, but to access the airport past secuity. - JoCliMe, on 10/12/2007, -8/+4Who exactly *is* for this? I know there's no way the religious right is, if you don't know why, I pity you. Also, usually what I see on digg contradicts their beliefs, so can someone enlighten me?
- xero9, on 10/12/2007, -0/+10@InfamousAtheist
My mother an I flew from Toronto to Philadelphia last May with nothing more than a passport that expired in 1976. While this is ID, it had a big "CANCELED" stamp in it and looked NOTHING like her. I think it's likely that someone can board a plane without ID after this experience. - flygirl62, on 10/12/2007, -1/+17
What I'd LOVE to see the states do is say "fine, you don't give us federal highway funds, we shall tell our citizens to deduct the proportionate amount from their federal income taxes."
This is the same BS that the feds pulled to get the 55 MPH speed limit passed nationwide.
If something is STATE controlled, the federal government should not be allowed to "blackmail" the states into doing it. Yet again we have something which, if *we* (the common citizen) did it, we'd be arrested for, but the federal government does it, it's "national security."
I just wish states had had a lot more nerve before the federal government got all "power hungry." Then again, as I have said before, a lot of it started with my friend (?) Lincoln. - mcnappy, on 10/12/2007, -1/+13@InfamousAtheist
The Supreme Court is a passive court; they can't just decide if the IDs are constitutional without a case being brought to them. (One could argue that they are far from passive once they get their hands on a case -- this goes for justices on the right and left.)
@expatriot
L2Read_The_Bill_of_Rights. kkthxbai http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fifth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution
The part you are referencing "No person...shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself". Please enlighten me how your point has to do with the 5th Amendment? Note the words "criminal case" - Gregac, on 10/12/2007, -5/+2I don't actually mind the real id, if there actually going to link the fields require them to be checked and add a biometric element. You can easily steal information like a name, a ss# and stuff like that; but it is extremely difficult to steal my fingerprints, retinal scan or DNA. The government already has my fingerprints, because of my guard card. I would like to see this as the basis card, meaning you can even bank with out, use your credit card, open account etc. without it begin check against your biometric information.
- arobicha, on 10/12/2007, -7/+0You guys are taking this RealID thing way to far... I hate to sound like I'm siding with Bush here, because actually my motives are deeper. It's just a damn card. On top of all that, rebelion? You people are so hung up on your own "state controlled rights" that you're barely a country at all. You don't agree on ANYTHING! Why do you even NEED a federal government? The reason RealID is a good idea is because it'll replace the ***** passport system that's in place. It takes weeks to get your passport done, there are conditions on them out the wazzoo, and they're bulky as hell. On top of that, you're trying to prevent your neighbors to the north from flying in without a passport because you're afraid we might bring you maple syrup or something... Personally, I don't mind having my background on a card because I have NEVER done ANYTHING I'm ashamed of. If you are, then that's your mess to clean up. But realistically, I have "PHOTO ID ONLY" clearly printed on the back of my credit card (always have) and maybe once in 20 uses, I'll get IDed. You have NOTHING to worry about, nobody actually cares about you, or who you've slept with while doing crack on a bed made of american flags and dead president's dogs.
- Jetfire, on 10/12/2007, -3/+2It's the Commerce clause that lets Congress do everything that is does. So I doubt that the Real ID will every be rules Unconstitutional. Also if you look like at most States are complaining about the cost. Which if you read in between the lines is that their systems are messed up and they will no longer be able to hide it and will cost them a fortune to correct.
- williamdyer, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3@tido
"Necessary and proper" ONLY empowers the government to make laws that implement legitimate ENUMERATED powers. Read the IXth and Xth. Anything not enumered in the Constutution belongs to YOU or the state you live in. - locojones, on 10/12/2007, -4/+2I appreciate the effort put into the article by the author. Unfortunately, his argument barks up the wrong tree. You see, nothing about the RealID act has anything to do with the constitutionality of the legislation. The Act itself doesn't compel the States to do anything. Reading the legislation, the only thing it proclaims is that "a Federal agency may not accept, for any official purpose, a driver's license or identification card issued by a state to any person unless the state is meeting the requirements" specified in the Real ID Act. And the Congress has constitutional authority to proclaim regulations that regulate agencies created by the Congress. Under the Act, "States remain free to also issue non-complying licenses and ID's, so long as these have a unique design and a clear statement that they cannot be accepted for any Federal identification purpose." So there is no mandate in the act which could be deemed unconstitutional because it violates principles of federalism. The requirement for states to participate is voluntary, and should a state refuse to participate, the penalties are made clear -- it's citizens will be denied access to federal benefits like entering federal courthouses and flying.
The 10th Amendment mandates that Congress cannot compel state action. But it has been held time and time again that Congress can "induce" state action by putting strings on grants (such as federal highway funds) so long as the conditions placed on receiving the grant are related to the purpose of the spending program.
No state HAS to provide RealID licenses. I'm sure Congress is counting on the pressure from citizens realizing that, preventing them from flying, going into federal buildings, etc, to compel from within. - shipple, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4If you really want to do something, check out -- FreeStateProject.org -- They're making a major difference.
- deepfog, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3I agree with the founding fathers that trusting any government too much is bad. It's way out of control. The amendment to the Constitution that elected Senators also put a huge dent in the check and balance system we have in the country, it took away the power from the state legislatures and we certainly know that any general election today is in danger of election fraud.
In my opinion, the 2 biggest dangers of the Real ID are the color coding status that will determine if you'll be able to travel or not and the RFID chips. RFID probably being the biggest one because it contains all your personal information and can be read by any reader. I noticed the other day they're putting the RFID readers right on the highways. We're entering a total police state.
- populist, on 10/12/2007, -0/+26tidu: You make a comment about "necessary and proper" but you have it misconstrued. The necessary and Proper Clause" does not extend Congress’s powers beyond the few enumerated in Article I of the Constitution. The original intent and meaning was that they could do only those things listed in the rest of article I, section 8
If that wasn't the case, and government could just write whatever law they want, then why even HAVE a constitution? The constitution was written to limit the power of government. It would be a contradiction in ideals to have a document that, on one hand, limits power, and on the other hand, gives power to do ANYthing. The 10th amendment clearly reaffirms the concept of limited government.
Patrick Henry warned us that someday politicians would abuse this clause for the advancement of their own power....that it would inevitably be interpreted by the federal government as a boundless grant of power, transforming the limited government that supporters of the Constitution promised into an unlimited government that would menace the people’s liberties.....he was right.- CapeKid, on 10/12/2007, -11/+2That may have been how it was originally construed, but that changed starting from the New Deal. In current times, necessary and proper would extend to the Real ID. I might not like it, but the supreme court would have a hard time declaring it unconstitutional.
- populist, on 10/12/2007, -1/+17"but that changed starting from the New Deal"
exactly. but, just because the supreme court says something, doesn't mean it's right. there was a time when the supreme court held slavery to be right. we need to decide what's right and wrong ourselves, without it being dictated to us by the black-robed gods of the courts..... - williamdyer, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6The New Deal breakdown of Constitutional limits is the Dread Scott of our time. It is time to ignore the illegitimate laws enabled by that on a mass scale. That is a cause as morally right as anti-slavery. Unless we win, we all end up as slaves.
- habman, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6Sorry capekid, but SCOTUS would have no problem declaring it unconstitutional, that is if they wanted to.
They ARE THE SUPREME COURT, the supreme legal body in the country! Who is going to question them?
They will not declare it unconstitutionalbecause they have so perverted the Constitutionas to make it meaningless.
Populist is totally correct and we are totally screwed and have been for a lot longer then most people know.
The Soap Box, The Ballot Box and The Cartridge Box, the foundations of freedom which one do you still have that works?
- growlzor, on 10/12/2007, -1/+18I remember in elementary school watching school house rock and learning about Government. Now that I'm in college my Government teachers laugh when I mention Government and they have a look in their eyes as if they're looking back on better times. Seriously guys WTF happened to this country?
- nodong, on 10/12/2007, -2/+17What happens to every great nation. After a long period of prosperity, it's citizens become complacent, decadent, and trivial. Everyone feels cozy about the nanny state, and most are only too happy to give it more power.
- flygirl62, on 10/12/2007, -0/+15They're willing to give the government more power because they get used to feeling "safe" and want to continue feeling "safe".
It's amazing how many people want the government to take care of them either financially or physically.
Social programs (left), DHS (right), it's all the same. Taking money and freedoms from people and saying it's all for "the common good."
heh... This just came to mind: "The Fed is mother, the fed is father"
Add to that the fact that, with all the power at the FEDERAL level (*not* how it was supposed to be), it's *very* hard to get a significant percentage of the people to complain.... significant enough for them to care. At the state/local level, it's a lot easier to get a significant number of people to voice their complaints.
That's *why* the power is supposed to be at a lower level and not at a federal level.
The federal government is supposed to serve the states and the states are supposed to serve the people.
When did our "federal representatives" begin to have *different* interests than our states? They're supposed to CONSIST of us!
- maeon3, on 10/12/2007, -0/+15This video describes the Federal ID card details you are required to carry in May 2008.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4312730277175242198
http://freedomtofascism.com/
The Resistance will not be televised. - dukeeeey, on 10/12/2007, -1/+12http://www.no2id.net/resources/images/BlairBarcode.jpg
- eosp, on 10/12/2007, -3/+2Marie-Antoinette, c'est toi, non ?
- furryplanet, on 10/12/2007, -3/+13These ID's are NOT a good thing.
- Ngai, on 10/12/2007, -2/+14Give me liberty or give me death.
~Patrick Henry - erikerikerik, on 10/12/2007, -4/+8I chose cake!
(I wounder how many of you will get this reference) - scispaz, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7I *wonder* when people will start using spell check.
- lauch, on 10/12/2007, -4/+1Cake or Death???
umm...I think I'll have the cake, thank you.
IZZARD! - night141, on 10/12/2007, -3/+5"Give me liberty or give me...hmm, death? That's a little harsh dont you think?
Give me liberty or give me a...sprained ankle!"
- Ngai, on 10/12/2007, -2/+14Give me liberty or give me death.
- Arcesius, on 10/12/2007, -0/+22I don't give a *****. I'm not going to get one of those cards. I don't care if they take away my license, and I hope enough people feel the same way to create a change.
- osbjmg, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6I too will refuse a Real ID enabled card.
- williamdyer, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Consider the number of illegal aliens running around in the U.S.
Will they be forced to get Real ID? Ha! They will get IDs from the Mexican Consulate.
In fact, I'm beginning to feel rather Mexican myself. A new identity could actually enhance my privacy.
When privacy is outlawed, only outlaws will have privacy.
- metric7, on 10/12/2007, -5/+6@infamousatheist
Not so fast. remember the Scotus decision on private property rights? Private developers taking peoples land
just because they want it. - lormahoykyd2007, on 10/12/2007, -17/+1As much as I hate the Big Brother thing, this is a good idea. While they are at it maybe the cops can then get rid of all the Hispanics that crowd around the RaceTrak in the mornings looking for a under the table job.
- ryanmetcalf, on 10/12/2007, -8/+8or spell race track right? (they'll put a nice Smiley sticker on your ID if you do!)
(p.s. they're willing to do jobs you won't do, ever been down to some of the poorer parts in Mexico? Be proud to have been allowed in or born here) - metric7, on 10/12/2007, -3/+3uhh Race trak is a gas station, dugg for being a spelling nazi
- siszam, on 10/12/2007, -0/+18Illegals are illegal. They work under the table and don't pay taxes. I know, my son works with many of them at a moving company. Real I.D. won't stop illegals. They live under the radar. This is about controlling and monitoring legal citizens. It would in no way stem the tide at the border or prevent them from earning a living.
- graphictruth, on 10/12/2007, -0/+11Oh, yeah; the old "I don't need civil rights, cause I ain't no damn [*****][wetback][jew] dodge." Who told you that, son? Never mind, There IS a sucker born every minute, and there is no easier mark in the world than a racist. You just have to tell him a coon joke in such a way as it's clear you don't want any "libruls' to hear - and he's on your sucker list forever! Hey, a brother wouldn't LIE about being a racist, right?
Tomorrow that same grifter will be courting the Greeks by telling Turk jokes.... and then he crosses the street to the TURKISH social club...
It's people like you that make internet spam profitable, my son. - ryanmetcalf, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2@metric7
where? - metric7, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1in the southern states
- osbjmg, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3I agree.
Step 1: turn off the TV
Step 2: be armed (doesn't mean you have to use them yet or ever)
Step 3: make demands
Step 4: get what you want collectively
Step 5: live happily ever after
- ryanmetcalf, on 10/12/2007, -8/+8or spell race track right? (they'll put a nice Smiley sticker on your ID if you do!)
- protogenxl, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8I for one, find It Ironic that it was the staunch supporters of states rights the Republicans who passed this bill.
- bemenaker, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8The Rep's haven't been supporters of State's rights for over 20 years. Reagan changed that one.
- williamdyer, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Well, there's Ron Paul... and... uh... anyone else left? Dick Armey retired... who else? Anyone? Anyone? Bueller?
- habman, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5The Republicians and Democrats are not different parties, there are two factions of the ruling class.
They debate which is better, raping the people in the mouth or in the arse, but you are going to be raped none the less!
They continue to function because we pay have become to ignorant to understand what it is that they are really up to. It is truly time to wake up people and resist this crap, either overtly or covertly you make the chose that is right for you.
- bigsurjune, on 10/12/2007, -1/+13But the terrorists! They're everywhere... they coming to get us... hide the women and children... give up your personal freedom for goodness sakes!
A true anti-terrorist American would not disobey this important initiative
"You are either with us or against us."
Don't let freedom stand in front of you family's protection.
It's warm under Uncle Sam's wing... come closer....- wompninja, on 10/12/2007, -10/+0I think you family's in trouble!, haha haha. Moron.
- Agilio, on 10/12/2007, -5/+3damn... bush, how about fixing airport security first before you start putting all this sci-fi ***** in our drivers licenses... what a moron
- davebg8r, on 10/12/2007, -5/+3Its easy to settle this. This idea, and many others that we face today, need to be put to a general vote. If its so great, it will pass. If its not, we reject it. Its very simple. Set up ATM style voting machines so people can vote more easily and at their convenience. Have 2 weeks to be able to place your vote. The machine marks that you have voted, you get a receipt with your vote. Or just have every existing ATM be able to support taking votes. It can report that you voted, when and where in case of any problems.
- DirtyBrowncoat, on 10/12/2007, -2/+11That is what you call a pure "Democracy." The Founding Fathers loathed a Democracy. There's no point in having a Constitution if 51% of the people can vote your rights away at any time. Google "Republic vs. Democracy" and you'll see what I mean.
- habman, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Democracy is 2 wolves and a sheep voting on what's for dinner!
Democracy is 3 thugs and your daughter voting on who is taking it from behind.
In a democracy the majority can vote it's self anything it wishes, that is not how this country is suppose to work. The USA was founded with protections for basic freedoms as the basis for all our law!
F#$K DEMOCRACY give me back our Constitutionally limited Republic! - davebg8r, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0Hello Genius.
1) I never said we were a pure democracy.
2) Really?!? We dont vote now and, except for president, its not majority rule? When did that change?
3) A republic uses majority rule but its tempers it against the laws and with protecting minority rights. However, its still based on majority rules. You know the pesky 'will of the people' and all. But who reads old documents like the Constitution and Bill of RIghts anyway huh?
- Shawnosaurus, on 10/12/2007, -2/+11More people will join the resistance if we tell them there will be punch and pie.
La Resistance!- kuzotz, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Start with college students.. Start with college students, and don't do free pizza. I swear to god if one more organization does this. I'll just.... Turninto the hulk or something..
- Ibanezfoo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+17Where is your documents!? No papers?! To the ovens with you!
- DirtyBrowncoat, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8Great article. But, how can I, as an individual resist if my state complies in order to get some free cheese? I DEFINITELY would not mind being barred from flying or being able to get into a Federal building (oh no!). But not being able to operate my car would be something that would take a lot of sacrifice.
- bemenaker, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Call and write your congressman. Get everyone you know to do the same. Be vocal, be loud, be heard.
- erikerikerik, on 10/12/2007, -1/+11Papers please...
On another note, any one remember "The Hunt for Red October."
And at one point the Russian officers where talking about how nice it would be to freely travel, see Montana and not need papers?- erikerikerik, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3duh! some one beat me to the papers!, well fine then! his papers are forged and fake!
- erikerikerik, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3duh! some one beat me to the papers!, well fine then! his papers are forged and fake!
- oxigen, on 10/12/2007, -2/+11This real ID act is a symptom of fascism and should be resisted at all costs. Even an amendment to the constitution allowing this should be resisted. The last time I checked, I lived in a free country!
States > Federal- slapsack, on 10/12/2007, -1/+12dude, where did you get your definition of "free"? think about it for a minute or two. what can an average everyday joe do these days in the united states without asking the government for permission in some way? open a business? drive a car? get a job? fly on a plane? hire employees? own just about anything? other than breathing, you have to have a license or pay a tax to do ANYTHING. that is about as un- free as anything i can think of. and day by day our so called freedoms are eroded more and more while people sit idly by being brainwashed as to how these things are for our own good. a federally mandated id that has a rfid chip in it? how does that make us safer at all? if we were in such great danger "in this post 9/11 world" why weren't our borders closed off. how come it's still easy as pie for a determined individual to get into this country but the citizens who are here legally get the boot to the neck? we are in no more danger of terrorism now than we were before september 11, 2001 and if you think we are, than thier program of fear and deception has fooled yet another hapless soul. start thinking for yourselves and stop listening to thier *****.
- jelasher, on 10/12/2007, -6/+2The author of the article isn't very well informed on Constitutional law; nor is the state senator quoted in the article.
Congress can, consistent with Article I of the Constitution, enact laws that are tangentially related to interstate commerce using the power granted to them by the Commerce Clause. To the extent that such laws impinge on the police powers ordinarily exercised by the states, where the 10th Amendment might be a concern, Congress can still pass laws that condition receipt of funds on compliance with national standards under the Taxing & Spending clause. They use their spending power to enact laws that require states to set certain speed limits, drinking ages, etc. The Supreme Court has upheld this practice as constitutional (see South Dakota v. Dole).
The act is in no way unconstitutional.- bigsurjune, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9Great, so will let you be the first to have a tattoo on your forehead. How about, "I'm an American!" or better yet your SS number.
Give'm an inch and they'll take a mile. - jelasher, on 10/12/2007, -6/+2@bigsurjune
You really don't see the difference between invading someone's individual privacy rights by mutilating them and requiring a national ID card? Do you object to passports? Birth certificates? Social Security numbers? Credit scores & reports? - bemenaker, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7The Fed gov't used to try to blackmail states into a mandatory 55mph speed limit or they withheld fed highway funds. Three states challenged that, Iowa, Ohio, and I forget the third. The states won the fight, the SCOTUS, said that the fed gov't cannot blackmail states like that. That was when the speed limits went up to 65 and better all over the country.
No, congress can NOT arbitrarily set limits on these things. - pjhurst, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5True this blackmailing of the states is constitutional according to Supreme Court precedent. But, in my not so humble opinion, it should be unconstitutional and I believe that a reasonable person could interpret the constitution in this way and make an argument that the founding fathers intended it this way.
- bigsurjune, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9Great, so will let you be the first to have a tattoo on your forehead. How about, "I'm an American!" or better yet your SS number.
- colincornaby, on 10/12/2007, -4/+2Instead of just coming up with Hyperbole, can anyone explain exactly why these cards are bad?
- Ibanezfoo, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4Why should I have to prove to anyone who I am? You want the government assigning you an identity? Why do they need to keep track of everyone? Ohhhh no someone just maybe could be a terrorist. I tell you this, I would rather live a free and happy life and be blown to bits by a terrorist than live a life always looking over my shoulder, worried that I might do something that matches a pattern somewhere and have big brother lock me away. Nobody needs to live in fear of suspicion, other than the government itself.
Where were the national IDs, homeland security, and Patriot Act in the 50's, when America was at its peak of happiness? - Bantec, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6I'd love to, but I can't. Not without sounding like a nut. In my gut it seems like something that inevitably will be misused. We are talking about a group of people who are either too incompetent or blatantly refuse to do anything about border, port, and airport security. Which, makes me question the agenda.
- davesbrain, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3It nationalizes standards that are individual states responsibilities.
- Ibanezfoo, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4Why should I have to prove to anyone who I am? You want the government assigning you an identity? Why do they need to keep track of everyone? Ohhhh no someone just maybe could be a terrorist. I tell you this, I would rather live a free and happy life and be blown to bits by a terrorist than live a life always looking over my shoulder, worried that I might do something that matches a pattern somewhere and have big brother lock me away. Nobody needs to live in fear of suspicion, other than the government itself.
- xsuite, on 10/12/2007, -4/+11I WILL NOT CARY THIS CARD. GIVE ME LIBERTY OF DEATH. THIS IS THE RESISTANCE. STAND WITH US OR AGAINST US.
- fuzzmeister, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Less shouting, more words.
- williamdyer, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Less words, more guns.
- locojones, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Good luck enforcing your liberty when you can't go into the federal courthouse to have your case heard without your RealID. And good luck buying a gun to arm yourself with once regulations are in place requiring a RealID to purchase a gun.
- screwzluse, on 10/12/2007, -4/+4I'm not sure I completely understand the comparison I'm reading with Germany / Hitler references and such. Yes, the government seems to be restricting rights and freedoms but I would say comparing the current state of America to Hitler's Germany is quite a stretch.
Maybe I'm missing what the big deal is with the Real ID. To my understanding, the whole id system is to standardize information on ID's and driver's licenses, linking them together (albeit in separate state databases, so not really a true national id).
Digg me down if you like, but I'd really like to see what the differences are with the Real ID system and with the current ID system.- Ibanezfoo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5We aren't there yet, but it is a slippery slope. If people do not wake up soon and get rid of the current government situation (Republican, Democrat, the whole lot) we are doomed.
- bemenaker, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5The problem is, first they want to standardize the id's, which in and of itself is not that bad. But second, they tend to be leaning towards getting to where we have to show id's to do any traveling. Showing an ID to cross a state line is illegal, our Constitution STRICTLY FORBIDS IT!!!. Congress shall pass no law restricting interstate commerce. The Cold-War Era soviet checkpoints where you had to show your traveling papers is what we fear happening too the US.
- LukeSkope, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6The problem is not with the intended use of RFID, but the possible misuses.
Social Security numbers were never intended to be used as national ID numbers, but they are. - nightsweat, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Hitler made people wear flair. Yeah.
- nightsweat, on 10/12/2007, -3/+2"Federal standards for identification are not authorized by the Constitution."
Maybe the singularly stupidest statement I've seen lately. You're right, but neither is highway money or the TSA or the standards set by the FDA, etc...- Bantec, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5"Maybe the singularly stupidest statement I've seen lately."
Possibly the individually awkwardest comment I've viewed recently. - williamdyer, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2"neither is highway money or the TSA or the standards set by the FDA, etc..."
Correct. None of it is legitimate or legal.
- Bantec, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5"Maybe the singularly stupidest statement I've seen lately."
- fuzzmeister, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2I have to say, if everyone thinks America is so doomed, why don't you do something about it? Sitting around saying you will "fight the revolution" isn't getting you anywhere, its not realistic to think that you could actually rebuild the government from the ground up by fighting it with your hunting rifles. Go out, protest, campaign, something, but don't just be a romantic revolutionary.
- slapsack, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3For the same reason you don't dude. It's because everyone is afraid to and that is by design. Fear is the leash my friend and even if you aren't afraid it still gets you because anyone who might aid your cause IS afraid. Just look at what they call "news" on the ol idiot box a.k.a. television. 99% negative fear inducing *****. It's about time people got off the ***** couch,met thier neighbors,went to a meeting,participated in something they proclaim to care about, or just something. Even if it was just searcing the internets to do a little fact checking or investigative digging (pun intended) around instead of just regurgitating the utter stupidity that comes out of politicians. They keep chipping away at us and we keep sinking deeper and deeper into a ***** that will be utter hell to get out of,and i'll tell ya, we're gonna regret letting it happen when it happens.
- williamdyer, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Making it clear to the people who operate the surveillance state that they will have to live behind Bremmer walls because the whole population would as soon push them in front of a bus as look at them is the first step.
- kuzotz, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3People only form communities, and know their neighbors, and stand up for a cause in poor neighborhoods.... I've noticed that when I grew up in the ghetto. Everything we got was just the worse, and it was usually leftovers.. Law enforcement.. WEll we only get 1 patrol cop that harass the hell out of children, and had to cover 80 blocks on our side of town.... Ambulance service.. What's that? oh wow we pay 10 times the property taxes eh? But we aren't receiving the services we pay the taxes for? We should do something.. Yeah this even happens today in urban areas.... Most areas start to organize when something horrific happens. Like a kid had to die because the aumbulance took 8 hours to get there when t he hospital was a 30 minute drive away from the house, but they didn't have a car, and so the ambulance was the only way to get the injured child there.. Yeah things changed to. This was 5 years ago.. Things are changed in that neighborhood because residents stood up for themselves.
- RatTrap, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Sounds like the US government doesn't read the Constitution at all, the only people that do read it is the citizens but why would the gov liston to us.
- halokiti, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1There's bigger problems to deal with in this country than "Real ID." I don't knock efforts to have ID that is actually useful in authenticating and locating people, I've seen too many people with fake SSNs and addresses listed in licenses that something should be done about it. Though I'm sure that the government is going to make it so f-ed up that it'll be even more useless.
It's really indicative of this country that the easiest way to locate someone in this country is to track them through their credit cards. So for all you paranoid folks, I would tell you to stop using your credit cards, shoppers cards, etc. and start getting real suspicious of Personal Data Mining companies that gather all facets and use it to sell useless crap to everyone.- williamdyer, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Think about it:
Is having a false identity a crime? If so, who is the victim? And what happened to the victim? Was he harmed physically? Was his property taken?
False identities can be used in crimes, but so can guns, knives, bicycles, masks, baseball bats, and pencils.
If you ask my name and I lie, what have I done to you? If I publish a book, or a blog, pseudonymously, am I a criminal?
Sincerely yours,
William Dyer
- williamdyer, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Think about it:
- dreepa, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3You don't need to show ID when you get on a plane... you just have to go thru extra security.
I have never shown an ID when entering a Federal Courthouse.
NH Rocks! - ponosocheg, on 10/11/2007, -0/+0Perfect post! But my mom told me such things don't worth my attention.
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