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- tidu, on 10/12/2007, -1/+62I think these states are doing a great service, but the question is how far will the states go in the name of resistance. The government could just say "Okay, no real-id for you, but you lose millions in highway grants" and these states might give in. We really need to get off our asses and take back this country before it's too late
- trevorml0878, on 10/12/2007, -7/+53then they should forget about their money, legalize hemp and cash in on that multi-billion dollar crop instead.
- populist, on 10/12/2007, -0/+26tidu: You make a comment about "necessary and proper" but you have it misconstrued. The necessary and Proper Clause" does not extend Congress’s powers beyond the few enumerated in Article I of the Constitution. The original intent and meaning was that they could do only those things listed in the rest of article I, section 8
If that wasn't the case, and government could just write whatever law they want, then why even HAVE a constitution? The constitution was written to limit the power of government. It would be a contradiction in ideals to have a document that, on one hand, limits power, and on the other hand, gives power to do ANYthing. The 10th amendment clearly reaffirms the concept of limited government.
Patrick Henry warned us that someday politicians would abuse this clause for the advancement of their own power....that it would inevitably be interpreted by the federal government as a boundless grant of power, transforming the limited government that supporters of the Constitution promised into an unlimited government that would menace the people’s liberties.....he was right. - Arcesius, on 10/12/2007, -0/+22I don't give a *****. I'm not going to get one of those cards. I don't care if they take away my license, and I hope enough people feel the same way to create a change.
- senorcool, on 10/12/2007, -3/+24I really just don't like the idea of all of my information on one card. Identity theft maybe?
Also, if this is in a reaction to 9/11, they should at least change airport security first because it is true (look it up) that you can travel airlines without any identification. You might get strip searched, but you can do it. A REAL ID then would be pointless to stop airplane related terrorism.
One more thing...I've heard from places (mostly conspiratorial websites) that these REAL ID's are going to be GPS capable or something. Don't know if its true or not. - siszam, on 10/12/2007, -0/+18Illegals are illegal. They work under the table and don't pay taxes. I know, my son works with many of them at a moving company. Real I.D. won't stop illegals. They live under the radar. This is about controlling and monitoring legal citizens. It would in no way stem the tide at the border or prevent them from earning a living.
- growlzor, on 10/12/2007, -1/+18I remember in elementary school watching school house rock and learning about Government. Now that I'm in college my Government teachers laugh when I mention Government and they have a look in their eyes as if they're looking back on better times. Seriously guys WTF happened to this country?
- Ibanezfoo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+17Where is your documents!? No papers?! To the ovens with you!
- InfamousAtheist, on 10/12/2007, -6/+23@tidu,
I think the Supreme Court should decide if REAL ID is constitutional or not. - populist, on 10/12/2007, -1/+17"but that changed starting from the New Deal"
exactly. but, just because the supreme court says something, doesn't mean it's right. there was a time when the supreme court held slavery to be right. we need to decide what's right and wrong ourselves, without it being dictated to us by the black-robed gods of the courts..... - flygirl62, on 10/12/2007, -1/+17
What I'd LOVE to see the states do is say "fine, you don't give us federal highway funds, we shall tell our citizens to deduct the proportionate amount from their federal income taxes."
This is the same BS that the feds pulled to get the 55 MPH speed limit passed nationwide.
If something is STATE controlled, the federal government should not be allowed to "blackmail" the states into doing it. Yet again we have something which, if *we* (the common citizen) did it, we'd be arrested for, but the federal government does it, it's "national security."
I just wish states had had a lot more nerve before the federal government got all "power hungry." Then again, as I have said before, a lot of it started with my friend (?) Lincoln. - flygirl62, on 10/12/2007, -0/+15They're willing to give the government more power because they get used to feeling "safe" and want to continue feeling "safe".
It's amazing how many people want the government to take care of them either financially or physically.
Social programs (left), DHS (right), it's all the same. Taking money and freedoms from people and saying it's all for "the common good."
heh... This just came to mind: "The Fed is mother, the fed is father"
Add to that the fact that, with all the power at the FEDERAL level (*not* how it was supposed to be), it's *very* hard to get a significant percentage of the people to complain.... significant enough for them to care. At the state/local level, it's a lot easier to get a significant number of people to voice their complaints.
That's *why* the power is supposed to be at a lower level and not at a federal level.
The federal government is supposed to serve the states and the states are supposed to serve the people.
When did our "federal representatives" begin to have *different* interests than our states? They're supposed to CONSIST of us! - nodong, on 10/12/2007, -2/+17What happens to every great nation. After a long period of prosperity, it's citizens become complacent, decadent, and trivial. Everyone feels cozy about the nanny state, and most are only too happy to give it more power.
- maeon3, on 10/12/2007, -0/+15This video describes the Federal ID card details you are required to carry in May 2008.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4312730277175242198
http://freedomtofascism.com/
The Resistance will not be televised. - Ngai, on 10/12/2007, -2/+14Give me liberty or give me death.
~Patrick Henry - mcnappy, on 10/12/2007, -1/+13@InfamousAtheist
The Supreme Court is a passive court; they can't just decide if the IDs are constitutional without a case being brought to them. (One could argue that they are far from passive once they get their hands on a case -- this goes for justices on the right and left.)
@expatriot
L2Read_The_Bill_of_Rights. kkthxbai http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fifth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution
The part you are referencing "No person...shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself". Please enlighten me how your point has to do with the 5th Amendment? Note the words "criminal case" - bigsurjune, on 10/12/2007, -1/+13But the terrorists! They're everywhere... they coming to get us... hide the women and children... give up your personal freedom for goodness sakes!
A true anti-terrorist American would not disobey this important initiative
"You are either with us or against us."
Don't let freedom stand in front of you family's protection.
It's warm under Uncle Sam's wing... come closer.... - dukeeeey, on 10/12/2007, -1/+12http://www.no2id.net/resources/images/BlairBarcode.jpg
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+12dude, where did you get your definition of "free"? think about it for a minute or two. what can an average everyday joe do these days in the united states without asking the government for permission in some way? open a business? drive a car? get a job? fly on a plane? hire employees? own just about anything? other than breathing, you have to have a license or pay a tax to do ANYTHING. that is about as un- free as anything i can think of. and day by day our so called freedoms are eroded more and more while people sit idly by being brainwashed as to how these things are for our own good. a federally mandated id that has a rfid chip in it? how does that make us safer at all? if we were in such great danger "in this post 9/11 world" why weren't our borders closed off. how come it's still easy as pie for a determined individual to get into this country but the citizens who are here legally get the boot to the neck? we are in no more danger of terrorism now than we were before september 11, 2001 and if you think we are, than thier program of fear and deception has fooled yet another hapless soul. start thinking for yourselves and stop listening to thier *****.
- graphictruth, on 10/12/2007, -0/+11Oh, yeah; the old "I don't need civil rights, cause I ain't no damn [*****][wetback][jew] dodge." Who told you that, son? Never mind, There IS a sucker born every minute, and there is no easier mark in the world than a racist. You just have to tell him a coon joke in such a way as it's clear you don't want any "libruls' to hear - and he's on your sucker list forever! Hey, a brother wouldn't LIE about being a racist, right?
Tomorrow that same grifter will be courting the Greeks by telling Turk jokes.... and then he crosses the street to the TURKISH social club...
It's people like you that make internet spam profitable, my son. - ryanmetcalf, on 10/12/2007, -3/+13@InfamousAtheist:
I wish I had an article to prove it, but I didn't have my driver's license (or any other real ID, had an old HS ID card) when I flew to Miami from Kansas City last year. I was however patted down manually, my shoes went through the x-ray twice, and my backpack was entirely emptied and sorted. I was 18 at the time.
Flying back from Miami, I actually was scrutinized less.
oh, and in case your curious, my license was still inside my scanner @ home. Don't ask. - furryplanet, on 10/12/2007, -3/+13These ID's are NOT a good thing.
- senorcool, on 10/12/2007, -3/+13@infamousatheist
http://blog.washingtonpost.com/securityfix/2006/11/boarding_pass_hacker_breaks_si.html
Ive met the guy who made the fake boarding passes. He is a PHD student and Indiana University who has been vigorously pointing out flaws in our airport security. Including how easy it is to make fake boarding passes not to access a flight, but to access the airport past secuity. - erikerikerik, on 10/12/2007, -1/+11Papers please...
On another note, any one remember "The Hunt for Red October."
And at one point the Russian officers where talking about how nice it would be to freely travel, see Montana and not need papers? - xero9, on 10/12/2007, -0/+10@InfamousAtheist
My mother an I flew from Toronto to Philadelphia last May with nothing more than a passport that expired in 1976. While this is ID, it had a big "CANCELED" stamp in it and looked NOTHING like her. I think it's likely that someone can board a plane without ID after this experience. - DirtyBrowncoat, on 10/12/2007, -2/+11That is what you call a pure "Democracy." The Founding Fathers loathed a Democracy. There's no point in having a Constitution if 51% of the people can vote your rights away at any time. Google "Republic vs. Democracy" and you'll see what I mean.
- Shawnosaurus, on 10/12/2007, -2/+11More people will join the resistance if we tell them there will be punch and pie.
La Resistance! - oxigen, on 10/12/2007, -2/+11This real ID act is a symptom of fascism and should be resisted at all costs. Even an amendment to the constitution allowing this should be resisted. The last time I checked, I lived in a free country!
States > Federal - DirtyBrowncoat, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8Great article. But, how can I, as an individual resist if my state complies in order to get some free cheese? I DEFINITELY would not mind being barred from flying or being able to get into a Federal building (oh no!). But not being able to operate my car would be something that would take a lot of sacrifice.
- protogenxl, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8I for one, find It Ironic that it was the staunch supporters of states rights the Republicans who passed this bill.
- bemenaker, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8The Rep's haven't been supporters of State's rights for over 20 years. Reagan changed that one.
- bigsurjune, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9Great, so will let you be the first to have a tattoo on your forehead. How about, "I'm an American!" or better yet your SS number.
Give'm an inch and they'll take a mile. - xsuite, on 10/12/2007, -4/+11I WILL NOT CARY THIS CARD. GIVE ME LIBERTY OF DEATH. THIS IS THE RESISTANCE. STAND WITH US OR AGAINST US.
- LukeSkope, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6The problem is not with the intended use of RFID, but the possible misuses.
Social Security numbers were never intended to be used as national ID numbers, but they are. - osbjmg, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6I too will refuse a Real ID enabled card.
- bemenaker, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7The Fed gov't used to try to blackmail states into a mandatory 55mph speed limit or they withheld fed highway funds. Three states challenged that, Iowa, Ohio, and I forget the third. The states won the fight, the SCOTUS, said that the fed gov't cannot blackmail states like that. That was when the speed limits went up to 65 and better all over the country.
No, congress can NOT arbitrarily set limits on these things. - habman, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6Sorry capekid, but SCOTUS would have no problem declaring it unconstitutional, that is if they wanted to.
They ARE THE SUPREME COURT, the supreme legal body in the country! Who is going to question them?
They will not declare it unconstitutionalbecause they have so perverted the Constitutionas to make it meaningless.
Populist is totally correct and we are totally screwed and have been for a lot longer then most people know.
The Soap Box, The Ballot Box and The Cartridge Box, the foundations of freedom which one do you still have that works? - Bantec, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6I'd love to, but I can't. Not without sounding like a nut. In my gut it seems like something that inevitably will be misused. We are talking about a group of people who are either too incompetent or blatantly refuse to do anything about border, port, and airport security. Which, makes me question the agenda.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5the 16th ammendment was never ratified properly. and even if it had been there are multiple supreme court decisions that stated the 16th ammendment gave the government no new power of taxation.
- habman, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5The Republicians and Democrats are not different parties, there are two factions of the ruling class.
They debate which is better, raping the people in the mouth or in the arse, but you are going to be raped none the less!
They continue to function because we pay have become to ignorant to understand what it is that they are really up to. It is truly time to wake up people and resist this crap, either overtly or covertly you make the chose that is right for you. - Bantec, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5"Maybe the singularly stupidest statement I've seen lately."
Possibly the individually awkwardest comment I've viewed recently. - bemenaker, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5The problem is, first they want to standardize the id's, which in and of itself is not that bad. But second, they tend to be leaning towards getting to where we have to show id's to do any traveling. Showing an ID to cross a state line is illegal, our Constitution STRICTLY FORBIDS IT!!!. Congress shall pass no law restricting interstate commerce. The Cold-War Era soviet checkpoints where you had to show your traveling papers is what we fear happening too the US.
- Ibanezfoo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5We aren't there yet, but it is a slippery slope. If people do not wake up soon and get rid of the current government situation (Republican, Democrat, the whole lot) we are doomed.
- williamdyer, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6The New Deal breakdown of Constitutional limits is the Dread Scott of our time. It is time to ignore the illegitimate laws enabled by that on a mass scale. That is a cause as morally right as anti-slavery. Unless we win, we all end up as slaves.
- scispaz, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7I *wonder* when people will start using spell check.
- bigsurjune, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6I'm sorry, if you can't see the problem with this then you should move to another country.
The idea of, "What's the difference, they already do it." is ridiculous.
Just because something is moving forward doesn't me you can't try to stop it.
Lay down you weaklings, let the real men take over! After you can join us for the toast just to feel like you have some balls.... - williamdyer, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Consider the number of illegal aliens running around in the U.S.
Will they be forced to get Real ID? Ha! They will get IDs from the Mexican Consulate.
In fact, I'm beginning to feel rather Mexican myself. A new identity could actually enhance my privacy.
When privacy is outlawed, only outlaws will have privacy. - habman, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Democracy is 2 wolves and a sheep voting on what's for dinner!
Democracy is 3 thugs and your daughter voting on who is taking it from behind.
In a democracy the majority can vote it's self anything it wishes, that is not how this country is suppose to work. The USA was founded with protections for basic freedoms as the basis for all our law!
F#$K DEMOCRACY give me back our Constitutionally limited Republic! - bemenaker, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Call and write your congressman. Get everyone you know to do the same. Be vocal, be loud, be heard.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6and we already have proof that anything we let them do WILL be misused.
Patriot act anyone? -
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