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- animalwheeler, on 05/28/2009, -11/+252fta: "Jessica Pan, president of Women in Business and a fourth-year student, questioned whether Men in Power's goals were being met by existing student groups.
"I'm not sure we really need another student organization that focuses on pre-professional development for men," Pan said, noting that, in just the area of business, there were five or six students groups that were gender-neutral."
And I am sooo very sure Jessica will take her OWN advice, and disband the WiB group, since there are 5-6 gender-neutral groups that accomplish the same thing.... - theman2c, on 05/28/2009, -15/+238N.O.W. is fine but MiP is somehow "Bad"
welcome to the hypocritical nation of america - alamedaman, on 05/28/2009, -9/+212also known as
National Organization of Men against Amazonian Masterhood
aka
NO MA'AM - Sainthax, on 05/29/2009, -16/+166Women want rights...
Women get rights...
Women act like they're special...
Men try it...
Women call BS!
If women want to get rid of sexism, maybe they should stop causing it... - inactive, on 05/28/2009, -13/+160It's very interesting reading the comments by people opposed to the group. So why aren't those gender-neutral groups meeting the needs of the the seven women's groups? Because women have these mystical needs that can't be met by such groups? If so, then why are men and only men lacking in such needs?
- DrJen, on 05/28/2009, -3/+134Actually, it's past time to disband the women's only professional groups. They are clearly sexist at their core.
Don't kid yourself though, there was a time when the only way for women to get into a group was to create their own. But, that time has long passed. It is too bad that we can't just move on without any of the sexism in areas like professional development. - Cabose, on 05/28/2009, -5/+125FTA: "...as well as issues involved with reverse sexism..." No, sexism is sexism. M to F or F to M.
- praderwilli, on 05/28/2009, -14/+128About ***** time.
- cadam, on 05/29/2009, -2/+111I returned to University for a semester, as a single father. I asked the University where the "Men's Services" or "Parenting Services" was, in response to seeing the various women's and mother's services. Mind you, the University is 70% female, to include Staff and Faculty. Even the Veterans' office has no men working there, let alone any Veterans... Turns out, this is the standard way of things. And when you ask about things as a Single Dad you get silence. I'm all for this group, because there IS a bias in Academia against men. Let's hope they encourage responsibility, and not just some Frat Boy Animal House Kegger.
- zacharytelschow, on 05/28/2009, -9/+92Every other special interest has a group furthering their cause, why should a male group be any different?
- 2Conservative, on 05/28/2009, -9/+79I wish these men all the best but I do not have much faith they will be able to survive in an institution that is designed to squash their very ideals.
- inactive, on 05/28/2009, -10/+74Nice try. The era of abusing men is over.
- UnFriendlyFire, on 05/28/2009, -8/+67Boy power!
- msotrips, on 05/29/2009, -6/+61This is the first time my school is on Digg.
I am actually a part of this group. It is not a fratboy stunt as some of you so kindly put it. It's a group to discuss actual issues. If you want to learn more there are more articles in the Maroon and in the Tribune. Email the director if you have any questions.
MIP - JinxCrow, on 05/29/2009, -7/+52Women aren't the only ones!
I have to sit quietly and be called "Whitey Cracker" from the same "group" of people that campaigned against racial hate speech! - nullvector, on 05/29/2009, -8/+50OMG, someone actually likes who they are, and has no qualms about saying it? How blasphemous!!!!
- 3The3Dude3, on 05/29/2009, -5/+45Equality. True equality. not to have reality handicapped based on the pre-conceived notion that being born with a dick is somehow an advantaged that needs to be leveled.
- ScottyAnimal, on 05/29/2009, -7/+45The Commandments
1. It is OK to call hooters 'knockers' and sometimes snack trays
2. It is wrong to be French
3. It is OK to put all bad people in a giant meat grinder
4. Lawyers, see rule three
5. It is OK to drive a gas guzzler if it helps you get babes
6. Everyone should car pool except us
7. Bring back the word stewardesses
8. Synchronized swimming is not a sport
9. Mud wrestling is a sport - rockon4life45, on 05/29/2009, -4/+39There is a local black expo every year but some people were heavily criticized when they started to attempt a white expo
***** double standards - drmangrum, on 05/29/2009, -6/+41It's not just acadamia that's biased against men, it's just about everything. Heaven forbid you're white as well, then you're totally *****. The entire system assumes if you're white and male that you need no help at all.
- ThatGeek, on 05/29/2009, -1/+34I prefer FMF
- Zomgondo, on 05/29/2009, -9/+39More like a nation of whiners who need to turn in their man cards.
- DickyT83, on 05/29/2009, -14/+44Get back to the kitchen.
- scamper22, on 05/29/2009, -4/+34now hopefully these men put their power to good use.
50% of teachers should be men.
50% of nurses should be men.
50% of childcare workers should be men.
men need equal parental leave.
50% of divorce cases should be decided in favor of men... logically right :P
no more women get in free in bars and clubs.
50% of prisoners should be women... logically right...otherwise it is discrimination :P
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men should be equally entitled to be stay a home dads. - gaph3r, on 05/29/2009, -2/+30"At the same time, he noted, women today hold about three out of the four jobs in education and health care -- both stable or expanding job fields..."
"...the gap is even wider at the master's level, with women trumping men 150 to 100, he said."
As a male currently working in education and working on his master's degree in that same very field, I can only say that a group that encourages and advocates the professional and social development of males in today's society is a win in my opinion. All groups deserve to be championed now and tomorrow.
Furthermore, it would seem to track that a group that would attract the support of women from that community should be acknowledged. It would seem unlikely that the groups membership which, as the article states, consists of men AND women would not be (as one digger and MiP member above rightfully put straight) "a fratboy stunt".
I wish them the best of luck and hope, as an advocacy group, that they stay true to their mission and find success.
P.S. Long time lurker, first time poster. This is my very first digg comment :-) - TheBadWolf, on 05/29/2009, -3/+29This is hardly the first of its kind. Maybe the first at that school. Don't really dig the name, though.
Still, I fully support their efforts. - Hraes, on 05/29/2009, -3/+28*****. You hear about "empowering" and "powerful" women and girls all the damn time. As soon as you apply the same terminology to men or boys, though, everyone just labels you a Fight Club freak and stops listening.
- CUGI08, on 05/29/2009, -8/+33We really need to stop being so apologetic about white males needs. This is not the 60's anymore. When are we going to stop paying for our parents' parents ideals and beliefs? We need jobs also.
- 3The3Dude3, on 05/29/2009, -4/+28Any advantages that men used to have are long gone. If you know a woman who is not properly prepared to face the world, blame her parents. Not me.
- cl2yp71c, on 05/29/2009, -8/+32Female groups, Male groups, Black groups, Asian groups, Computer Nerd groups, Jock groups, etc....are all intended to divide.
Let's not regress.
We should be focusing on combining these unique groups rather than spliting them. i.e. The black computer nerds who like spaghetti on tuesdays.
Really? What's the point. - doctornkul, on 05/29/2009, -2/+26And women aren't even a minority!
- TheBadWolf, on 05/29/2009, -2/+26I'm male. I'm not a powerful politician. I'm not a movie star. I'm not a doctor. I'm not a lawyer. I'm not a scientist.
But you still think I'm on top? - gogog0, on 05/29/2009, -2/+25Did you read the article?
"...recent job losses hit men harder and that women earn far more bachelor's and master's degrees than do men."
"Since 1981, women have collected 135 for every 100 bachelor's degrees awarded to men, according to Perry. The gap is even wider at the master's level, with women trumping men 150 to 100, he said."
"He noted, among other things, an imbalance in government and private initiatives that advance the interests of women and girls."
When there is a roadblock to your success you have every right to make a group designed to overcome that roadblock. - AaronCo, on 05/29/2009, -13/+36Women have their groups. Every minority in the country has theirs. But your average everyday guy isn't allowed to have one because that just isn't fair.
/s
And while I'm sure that this is just a fratboy stunt, I can't help but sit and wonder... as I watch the comment box hump my comment, perhaps we'll see more of these groups in the future. - feezus, on 05/29/2009, -2/+25Wasn't there some other college group doing this same thing like...3 years ago?
Had their meetings taped and posted online, too. - yurishoujo, on 05/29/2009, -3/+25http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Women+in+college+more+than+me ...
I'm with you that women's groups are still essential, but wow, really? Don't blast facts when they're true. ***** like that is why the feminist movement gets blasted so hard. - EndouOuto, on 05/29/2009, -1/+22No you don't, speak up!
- digitalArtform, on 05/29/2009, -3/+23Yeah!
50% of women should be men!
ok, wait. - felidaeus, on 05/29/2009, -0/+19My school is 70% female.
Engineers make up about 20% of the university.
We are about 95% male.
That makes 10% of the non engineers male. Yet there are 10 female only engineering scholarships, dozens in the university total, but zero male scholarships. So even though men at the university are clearly the minority, clearly under-advantaged, it's wrong to advocate them, because a bunch of people 40 years older than them are in power.
I'm for this group 100% - stevensj2, on 05/29/2009, -5/+24I don't care what the real purpose of the group is, but I like it because it reveals the absurdities and double standards that exist.
Advocacy for Women? Thumbs up.
Advocacy for Men?...*crickets and sneering*
Black History/Community Groups? Thumps up.
Caucasian History/Community Groups?.... you see where this goes.
In my opinion, people need to stop finding new ways to differentiate themselves and stop thinking of them selves as part of a precisely defined group, and start defining themselves within the group of Humans that includes _all_ of us. Everyone.
There is nothing wrong with being proud of who you are or where you come from. But you cannot celebrate your pride and deny another group/race/ethnicity the right to do the same.
Every campus across the nation prides itself on how diverse it is. Yet each of them have their own "groups", where they meet with others within that same race, while a different group representing another race meets with exclusively themselves at another day of the week at some other location.
When a university is absent of such groups and the students of all races identify themselves only as part of the collective human race, any the students of all ethnicities meet together, then they can brag about how diverse they are. - chaseonfire, on 05/29/2009, -1/+19He's not saying reverse sexism is good or that they want to practise it. He is saying it is bad, this group is about stopping the reverse sexism that is being done to men. I don't know how you came to that conclution at all. I think this group seems better than most of the 'for women' groups. And yes, men should be in power, just like men, women, and all races.. but every "minority" has groups and scholarships to get ahead and I don't think that is right. Any group supporting a race or sex is racist or sexist really, but no one cares unless it is for males or white people.. its *****.
- deathandtaverns, on 05/29/2009, -5/+23I kind of agree that men really don't need an advocacy group for getting ahead in business (Please give me a chance before you digg me down). As of now in the business world at least Men have most of the power and seem to have an intrinsic advantage when it comes to gaining it. Even in female dominated fields males have an advantage over their female counterparts. One of my friends is a male nurse and gets paid significantly more because he can lift more.
That being said, it would be a shame to waste a perfectly good male advocacy group, because there are many places where men need it. Like:
Father's rights
Fair divorce laws
The portrayal of fathers in media as either incompetent or pedophiles
Taking spousal abuse against men seriously
The higher rate of males dropping out of school
and I'm sure there's more.
If you are going to start a male advocacy group just please don't do it as a stunt to upset feminists like that ridiculous "masculinist" group from a while ago, take it seriously because it would be nice if society would take us seriously. - anotherjack, on 05/29/2009, -9/+27Hear me out. I think a men's support and promotion group is a fine thing. I support the idea. See, I'm against sexism. I'm not perfect, but I believe it's better not to be sexist. If a female is sexist towards a male - it's sexism. All sexism is sexism. Sexism is bad, right?
I agree. I don't support the sexist treatment of men. I'm just as tired of slogans like "girls rule boys drool" as I am of "get back in the kitchen" - because it's this pointless sexist power struggle - and we sell it to little kids on t-shirts! Both sexes need to be proud of themselves without insulting the other. You cant get real pride from putting someone else down.
"Anyone with an interest in both studying and learning from men in powerful positions, as well as issues involved with reverse sexism, may become a member of MiP," These young mean say they are interested in practicing "reverse sexism" - but... sexism is bad, right? All sexism is sexism. It's not like they cancel each other out. If you want to end sexism, you can't do it with "reverse sexism".
Speaking of which I think "Men In Power" is a problematic name - and it's not the "Men" part thats a problem. "In power" means you need other people to be "in power" over. You can't be "in power" all alone. That returns us to an attempt to be reverse sexist, get authority over others. Who are these others?
I want this organization to exist, but I want them to be more than just some reverse sexists achieving power. I want more for them. I want them to be empowered. "Empowered" is different from "in power". Empowered comes from within, it's an expression of confidence and ability. We wont be a healthy society until we can share power. That means fully empowered men, because an unempowered man can't share any power with an empowered woman. So, like I said, I think a men's support and promotion group is a fine thing. I support the idea. I wish them luck. Thanks for reading all the way through. I really do want a different society that's better for men and woman. - LacY, on 05/29/2009, -0/+18Oh come on--if girls can have female-only advocacy groups, men should be able to have them, too.
For instance, at my school there's a very large "Women in Science Program" (WiSP) that is dedicated to getting girls into the sciences and to pursue science careers (yay!). However, it also gives a *lot* of extra opportunities to girls to get into labs to do undergrad research (and for pay), which while being nice, I've always found totally sexist. Yes, we need more women in science, but there should be equal opportunity for males and females. Besides, the numbers of women/men entering phd programs in life sciences are roughly equal--it's finishing the phd and going on to faculty positions where the two start to diverge. - enevitable, on 05/29/2009, -5/+22One of my favorite quotes:
Women who seek to be equal with men lack ambition
-Timothy Leary
It goes both ways, there shouldn't be equality but rather we all should strive to be on top. - stk198323, on 05/29/2009, -2/+18Almost makes some sense... except there isn't any male organization for the promotion of male in Nursing right? And there isn't any male group for the promotion of male in education.
At the university I went to there is now a scholarship of 1000$ (or even more) for any and EVERY single girl joining an engineering program, whether she finish the program or change after only one semester, she automatically get's 1000$. There are other programs to help girls with there finance but not a SINGLE program exist to help man monetarily, even if they go in a program that is 98% female like nursing, social work and primary school education, on the other hand in engineering there was already around 20-30% of women in there class but since it wasn't 50-50 they were tagged as sexist... isn't that double standard? - DickyT83, on 05/29/2009, -16/+32I thought that's what frats were for.
- pinchduck, on 05/29/2009, -5/+21Damn straight! My support group is at the bar, or the football stadium, or kayaking or biking somewhere. Doing fun stuff, not trying to claim victim status.
- AaronCo, on 05/29/2009, -4/+20Gender neutral? You are kidding, right?
- vizerei, on 05/29/2009, -5/+21Good one, as I read it I was seriously thinking "How hypocritical, she says men don't need a group because there are that many gender neutral groups...someone should backhand her and put her back in a kitchen!"
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