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- SheilaNoya, on 10/13/2007, -8/+101I'd say that a good percentage of Americans would probably agree. Since Bush ignores subpoenas, classifies all of his documents, conveniently "loses" over 5 million emails, and refuses to tell us the truth, then maybe using some of his own "intense interrogation tactics" on him would get us some answers. After all, it's not torture, right?
- ChristPissed, on 10/11/2007, -6/+60A reasonable use of "approved" torture methods would be to find out what information these criminals have been withholding from Congress and the American taxpayers. A live global pay per view could go towards eliminating the immense debt BushCo created, as well as reimbursement for individuals, families, and countries that have been destroyed by these monsters.
- Lomstradamus, on 10/12/2007, -3/+51The only reason an administration would have to use torture tactics such as water boarding and extreme temperatures would be to get prisoners to say what the government wanted them to say, under such torture most prisoners would say anything just to get the torture to stop. So the Bush administration is using torture not to get information so much as to spread fear.
I am ashamed that my country has stooped to such a low that it has become the evil that our fathers and Grandfathers fought against in WW1 and WW2. - chase001, on 10/13/2007, -3/+28I like the idea of putting the Bush twins on live TV and setting up two American Idol style hotlines. Let the people decide what is torture and let Bush watch.
- inactive, on 10/10/2007, -8/+28A-*****-men.
- Ajajadude, on 10/10/2007, -1/+19That's why everyone with half a brain knows that torture doesn't work: eventually, the person will tell you whatever you want to hear. That's only useful in countries where the government rules through fear (I mean REAL fear, not this "police state" or being asked for your receipt crap people cry about these days).
- WiseWeasel, on 10/10/2007, -4/+22Only on Pay-Per-View! I'll pay $50 to see that...
- syroncoda, on 10/10/2007, -4/+18I'd pay to watch that.
- bobothedorkboy, on 10/10/2007, -6/+20But, but, but... we "don't torture". Bwaahahahahahahha...
- Baroja1898, on 10/10/2007, -1/+12What school is embracing Islam? Just because your Nativity drama was cancelled at the school, doesn't mean they're embracing Islam. And I'm not taking away your freedom of speech when I tell you to stfu or when I bury your comment.
- goblindegook, on 10/10/2007, -1/+11Either you didn't read the article or you have a really poor grasp on the concept of irony.
- MisterNoMoniker, on 10/10/2007, -0/+7Again with the 'criminals'.
Let me explain something, Gitmo exists for 2 reasons. 1 as a place to "harshly interrogate", and 2 as a place where people can be detained without charges being filed.
Get it? no charges being filed means they definitely haven't been convicted yet, which means they are probably not a criminal and are possibly completely innocent.
So torture is pretty freaking bad, but torturing innocent people is ridiculously bad. - zunipus, on 10/10/2007, -0/+6Funny thing. When I read the New York Times article revealing the SECRET TORTURE authorizations by the Bush League I had exactly the same idea. "Let the punishment fit the crime" as William S. Gilbert wrote as a lyric in "The Mikado." The person I was conversing with at the time wanted the death penalty. But I honestly think the best way for the putrescent souls of these neo-con-job anti-Christians to get a clue is to submit them to the horrors they inflict on others. While they are being tortured it would be equally suitable for them to have their eyelids pried open, 'A Clockwork Orange' style, while they watch every available video of soldiers from around the world being tortured and killed. Above the screen should be a big banner that says: "Thanks to you, in the future our enemies will torture us just as your have tortured them."
Actually, I think these sub-humans are too frickin' stupid to get the clue. But it might help the rest of the world realize that at least half of US citizens have a brain in their head and a good sense of irony.
;-D - MisterNoMoniker, on 10/10/2007, -0/+5Hey genius, the people being "harshly interrogated" are not on the battlefield, they are not soldiers, they are only labeled "combatants" and we really don't know if they've done anything wrong or not. That is why you should be upset that we are allowing them to be tortured.
BTW, where the hell did you go to high school where the football team gets waterboarded? - glamdr1ng, on 10/10/2007, -5/+10So torture begets torture now? That doesn't sound too peaceful or moral to me.
- StopTheLie, on 10/10/2007, -0/+5If only they could torture ALL the "suspects," then surely all the suspects would confess. ...And who needs "evidence" when you've got a confession?
- orlyfactor, on 10/10/2007, -0/+5The headline is really misleading, but would be comical to watch. Neither dugg up or down...where is the digg flatline button?
- fixedcoma, on 10/10/2007, -0/+5It's only torture if they do it in America! Just like the death toll for those in Iraq! If you die within the borders of Iraq then you are a casualty! If you die on a plane after leaving Iraq then you don't make the list!
- wolfboy2883, on 10/10/2007, -0/+5It makes sense to torture the torturers before we use it. It is the same reason that police officers are maced, tasered, etc. in their training. You shouldn't do such inhumane things to people.
- rocket777, on 10/10/2007, -2/+7I wonder if being the most hated men in the world has any effect on these killers. I can't recall any other president hated this much, and I lived through Nixon. I'm waiting for the "I'm not a torturer" or Bush getting on his plane flashing the peace sign.
- Herostratus, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4I would love to see this. We could start with some EXTREME WATERBOARDING play some good heavy metal in the background. Then we could follow up with refrigerator theater. A little later in the evening we could have the Taser Show and after the kids go to sleep the naked human pyramids.
Just a suggestion for an evenings lineup. But I dont think this should be limited to the Prez n Gonzales. Cheney, Pelosi Rumsfeld, Rice, everyone who voted for the Iraq War. Maybe everyone involved in the whole setup and many many more who so much deserve it. - Baroja1898, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4We tried marching, but got really tired and they tazed us and stuff. Our votes don't count. Constituent calls to lawmakers don't match up against corporate donations. We're outgunned. Almost a third of us support this *****, and about another third are too ignorant or indifferent about it. What do you want us to do? Send us a manual or something!
- mrurc, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4I'm sorry. I didn't realize that trying to show school children that Muslims are not evil was a bad thing. My bad.
I'm not burying you for introducing facts-- I am burying you for misinterpreting them. - Frei, on 10/10/2007, -1/+4Bush missed his last year of service and spent most of the rest in a bar. Somehow, I think he skipped out on that one.
- Terr01, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3So you admit the US tortures people?
- proliance, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3Some Special Forces or Special Ops personnel have to go through waterboarding. Its a way of letting them know what they are getting themselves into.
Kind of like being qualified to use a taser or pepper spray, but much worse. - cranium, on 10/10/2007, -1/+4You sound so proud. I'll bet you're a real cutie pie with the arm band and all, too.
- Baroja1898, on 10/10/2007, -1/+4I condone irony, even when it's torture.
- mrurc, on 10/10/2007, -1/+4The UN Security Council did not approve us going to war in Iraq and they deny that measures taken by the UN warranted an invasion on our part. The Security Council voted against our invasion of Iraq and the invasion was not done in the Security Council's name. Frankly, I think that the UN's opinion on the UN's stance is more valid than YOUR opinion on the UN stance. This is why our invasion is illegal under the UN treaties that we signed. We cant be held accountable for it though because we have veto power in the only group that could hold us accountable.
What ceasefire and what breach of it? They did NOT attack the Trade Center and they did not have WMD. Not only that, but we KNEW THAT. We attacked them for reasons that our administration knew at the time were all lies. Why do you think that the administration insisted on invading before the final reports from the UN investigators? Approval from Congress was based on willful misinformation by the administration. The rest of the world laughed at our Congress for being so gullible and frankly, I was outraged because the lies were completely obvious.
As for people who were murdered in Iraq? How about people who died of torture-- not all of them were guilty. Or better yet, the girl whose family was killed so that soldiers could gang rape the girl and for which our soldiers have been found guilty at courts martial. Do you think that having your killers found guilty of murdering you means that you were murdered?
So yes, diggers will ravage you for posting such information, because it is LIES. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3dugg up. cause if you hate it, it must be worth digging.
- bshock, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2Even though I have a certain sympathy for this viewpoint, I must respectfully reject it. Despite the fact that the Bush Junta has weakened the already weak concept that the U.S. is a nation of law, I believe in this ideal. Torture is not legal, regardless of who insists otherwise.
However, there are plenty of legal charges on which Traitor Bush and his accomplice Gonzales can be indicted, tried, convicted, and punished. And given due process, it is perfectly legal and proper to imprison these shambling monstrosities for the rest of their days. - mrurc, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2How is bringing up that torture doesn't work a fallacy?
We are using torture with the express intention of obtaining good information about terrorist plans. However, many of the people being tortured do not know any terrorist plans, since everyone that is being tortured was grabbed for being a suspect or for exhibiting "suspicious behavior." Since some people in the torture pool are innocent, they have no accurate information to give; however, a well-known and proven response to torture is to give whatever information a person thinks will stop the torture or even cause the torturers to kill them. This means that in addition to any accurate information, inaccurate information and complete lies are produced. The accuracy of all information produced by torture is questionable because we have no way of telling which information is accurate and which is not. We don't even bother to confirm that the people that we are torturing are guilty, so we can't assume that the information is accurate. Our stated reason for applying torture can not be achieved with torture.
Yes, there are lots of good reasons to oppose torture, like that it is contrary to treaties that we have signed, that it is reprehensible, and that we would object if it were to happen to us. However, many people believe that all Muslims and all people from the Middle East deserve to be tortured and do not consider torture inflicted against them inhuman because they consider those people inhuman. They also believe that any means of information retrieval is good, even if it is torture. The reason that we bring up that torture produces inaccurate results is that it nullifies the "they should be tortured" arguments. If a means of information retrieval produces frequently inaccurate results, it is not a good method of retrieving information.
You may have additional good reasons but you do not even say why it is a fallacy to mention the inaccurate information produced by torture. You also don't mention what your good reasons are. You assume that we should know why you say that it is a fallacy and that we should know the good reasons, however, that is a fallacy because we can not read your mind. - inactive, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2I don't mind Big Brother watching if he is like a guardian angel, protecting me from unspeakable evils. But when Big Brother starts treating me like the evil he is ostensibly protecting me from, then he needs a beat down.
I'm not afraid of what I type, I'm not afraid of my words, neither should anyone else be afraid of anyone else's thoughts unless they secretly plan on harming you and they are afraid you will find out, and thus put a stop to their evil plans. - ZenMojo, on 10/10/2007, -1/+3I suggest a stress position and loud music...the Dixie Chicks would do nicely.
- icewater, on 10/10/2007, -7/+9Great idea but they deserve much more than that considering the innocent people they have actually murdered. Let's start with a trial!
- mrurc, on 10/10/2007, -1/+3It has been used to get information used for propaganda but it does not produce accurate information. Just because it has been used for hundreds of years doesn't mean it works. After all, how many hundreds or thousands of years did people think the world was flat?
- Baroja1898, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2No, you saved yourself by acknowledging it, at least for me. I honestly thought I was having deja vu. Hope I get to meet you at the dissent camp they put us all in someday.
- fixedcoma, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2Plus they have people on the inside willing to sell you ass up creak for telling the truth about something, so what do you suggest there "NoBlueSpoon"???
- cyclades, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2You know what I hate? Morons. And you are one.
- opticwind, on 10/10/2007, -2/+4This makes very little sense to me. You can't be against torture then think it's ok for Bush to be tortured. Regardless of what he has or hasn't done. I'm tired of this growing hypocrisy.
"Hey, torture is wrong! We're going to torture you because of it!" - mrurc, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2Hi, braincase, why do you think that torture against PoWs is illegal now?
- Wootery, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2"You don't walk away from that blind, dismembered, or permanently disfigured"
No, you walk away with brain damage, lung damage, and mental scarring. - nonrate, on 10/10/2007, -1/+3They shouldn't be tortured, or we would be no better than them - He-Man episodes 3, 8, 17, 18, 22, and 35
- cyclades, on 10/10/2007, -1/+3I vote for conservatives. And let me be the first to say: You're a ***** idiot. Quit being so ignorant.
- gak001, on 10/10/2007, -1/+3I'd pay good money to see that.
- spartacus51, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2These stories and the reactions to them both make me incredibly sad. I've always believed in the old line that 'the person is ultimately good' and it just gets harder and harder to believe with every digg post. Martin Luther King said it right, 'hate begets hate.' I pray (says the atheist) that people would stop this endless and horrendous spiral.
- snupples, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2Stable modern society can't function without dialogue. Or should we just start blowing up stuff now?
- maeon3, on 10/10/2007, -1/+3Someone please get a petition of people with signed names asking for Bush, Gonzales to be tortured by the same means they have prescribed for others. Get some attention to this.
- Baroja1898, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2Well, duh. But it's still kinda' cool that the editor would suggest that they take what they're so fond of dishing out. No, nobody really wants to see them subject to that kind of treatment and would not expect them to subject themselves it just to prove it's worthy. All we really want is some sanity. Torture is inhumane and doesn't work.
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