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- brownrabbit, on 11/06/2007, -15/+93So that makes the American private police in Iraq terrorists. I hear about them killing civilians in the news...
- notBrit, on 10/28/2007, -10/+63I don't feel more informed.
This silly map doesn't account for Timothy McVeigh, abortion clinic bombers, Iraqi insurgents, or Operation Condor. Plus, it's dumb. - bloodmonkey, on 11/06/2007, -6/+41Unfortunately, in today's world any civilian resistance against oppression (even ideological oppression)--whether it is perpetrated by a government, a military, or a supposedly legitimate organization--is considered terrorism.
- geekchic, on 10/25/2007, -0/+32Maybe that is the problem.
To me, a terrorist is a person who uses violent actions to "cause terror" in order to force people to change their opinions/actions. It doesn't matter where they live.
Maybe the idea that a terrorist is always a foreigner explains how an American planting a bomb in an abortion clinic is deemed to be a criminal - and not a terrorist. - Noureddin, on 11/06/2007, -8/+40Ben Franklin said, "Any man who gives up his personal liberties for security, deserves neither." - abw80
Indeed. He was correct. - MasterThief117, on 10/27/2007, -25/+53I found a better picture: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:George-W-Bush.j ...
- duggtodeath, on 10/27/2007, -9/+34How many rights must I give up to feel safe again?
/American Idiot - str3ama, on 10/27/2007, -4/+25terrorism has always meant a 'cheap ploy to incite hysteria thereby soliciting public support for any and every action conceived beneficial to resolving said hysteria'
The Romans used the Gauls, the Chinese used the Mongolians, the Moguls used the Persians, Russia used America, America used Russia, Britain used America, Canada uses America, America uses Islam - SeethisPass, on 11/06/2007, -13/+32The entire concept of terrorism is an American PsyOp.
- CorpT, on 10/25/2007, -1/+19Every time that quote is "quoted" it is farther and farther from the original. Which is why no one actually gives a source.
Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.
http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Benjamin_Franklin
Get it right or don't say it. - irvman21, on 10/27/2007, -8/+24The picture fails to include the most important aspect of terrorism, the intent to terrorize. A civilian killing a civilian over money isn't terrorism. A civilian cutting off the head of a civilian to post videos of it on the Internet is terrorism.
- physphd, on 10/31/2007, -7/+20AKA "crime."
- Genady, on 10/27/2007, -1/+13Unless of course we choose to see the resistance as 'Freedom Fighters', in which case we sell them guns.
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LOL who am I kidding? We sell 'em guns anyway. - superfusion, on 11/06/2007, -2/+12Disagree.
Terrorism is an attack on civilians for political or media leverage. It is a cold, calculated attempt to terrorise a population.
The IRA blowing up a mailbox and inflicting minor injuries is terrorism.
Columbine was a calculated attack, but not really against a greater population ... just the people within the school.
When a military (US or other) attacks civilians to "show" their power, to inflict calculated fear on a population, it is practising terrorism. - abw80, on 10/26/2007, -5/+15Ben Franklin said, "Any man who gives up his personal liberties for security, deserves neither."
- drizzlelicious, on 10/27/2007, -1/+10War is glorified and terrorism is abhorred, but both are heinous.
- tdurden1999, on 10/24/2007, -1/+9Neither. Gangs would be criminal.
- Waiting2awake, on 10/24/2007, -3/+11Which is why they shouldn't be lied into them..... and those that did the lying, should stand for the charge of war crimes.
- mason194, on 10/25/2007, -9/+17Your right to private property, your right to your own labor, your right to free-speech, your right of association, your right to self-ownership, your right of self-defense, and your right to live in peace without other people initiating violence against you (government).
Oh wait, those are the rights that liberals want to sacrifice at the alter of Marxism. - doctorfungi, on 10/24/2007, -0/+8Right, tell that to those attacked by the IRA.
- ZenMojo, on 10/24/2007, -0/+7Lancet and Orb reports, both of which are the only scientifically verifiable, consistent, and widely supported numbers known. Regardless of disagreements, the methodology has been found sound by the British scientific community and it is the same method used to take down numbers of dead in several other wars.
- centerblack, on 10/25/2007, -0/+7Digg me down if you want, but:
We're not fighting a war, it's an occupation.
The president claimed that Saddam had WMD's, and that they posed a significant threat to the safety of the American people. That is why we removed the weapons inspectors and started moving troops in. Go watch the video on YouTube if you want. Operation Iraqi Freedom came about once the WMD's weren't found and we needed a new reason to be in Iraq.
Have whatever opinion you want about that, but us going over there under the pretense that they posed a threat to us, finding that there was no threat, and changing our reasons to "to spread democracy" is a far cry from the American Revolution. - preisler, on 10/24/2007, -0/+7I think they're talking about Blackwater. Mercenaries might be the best word for them or maybe *****..
- douggmc, on 10/27/2007, -1/+8What always has aggravated me is the calling of the "insurgents" or "guerillas" in Iraq who target military persons/equipment "terrorists". Why do we let our media/gov't use this propaganda? If they are targeting military targets ... they are insurgents/guerillas.
- wasabifan, on 10/24/2007, -1/+7So would gangs be considered a military, or terrorists?
- kamikaze87, on 10/27/2007, -0/+6Terrorism is when you storm into to de_dust and plant the bomb.
- ubuwalker31, on 10/25/2007, -0/+6Terrorism is non-state sanctioned violence by some group for political/ideological reasons which is intended to create fear/terror, that deliberately targets civilian non-combatants.
If you are missing one of the elements that make up the definition, it is probably not terrorism, but something else. State sanctioned violence is not terrorism. An attack not intended to cause terror is not terrorism. An attack not purposefully or recklessly targeting civilians is not terrorism. Random (or ordinary criminal) violence without a political ideology is not terrorism.
There are other terms which encompass these activities, such as war crimes, aggression, looting, pillaging, etc. IMHO, terrorism should be something specific...making it too general is too political.
The most frequent objection to this objective definition is "What about State Sponsored Terrorism" or "State Terrorism". In general, if a country, like the US or Iran, sends covert special forces to attack civilians, it would be a type of war crime, similar to carpet bombing a city. Now, the fact that Iran arms, trains, or encourages terrorist acts against civilians as a proxy against U.S. civilians is a grey area...the terrorist group are terrorists and Iran will deny any official or unofficial sponsorship. That is why the term "State sponsor of terrorism" was invented. - Scagli3tti, on 10/25/2007, -1/+6a) Actually he said neither, as has been discussed on digg ad nauseum...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_misquotations
b) "He" was implying that liberty is essential. ("Essential Liberty", not "Essential Liberties") - centerblack, on 10/24/2007, -0/+5$1.05
- physphd, on 10/24/2007, -5/+10Then what does "private" mean?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Private_sector - aguanegro, on 10/24/2007, -0/+5The picture is only correct on one level. It shows what people in general perceive as being terrorism, oppression, etc. Although there is a legal definition of what "terrorism" is in U.S. law, the term has become completely politicized, and is used by the government to label anyone who's an enemy, real or perceived. That's why they can get away with calling Iran's Revolutionary Guard a "terrorist organization" even though they're part of the Iranian government.
- notBrit, on 10/28/2007, -2/+7Um... what?
- xthpsgodx, on 10/24/2007, -1/+5He wasn't a president.
- reuscel, on 10/29/2007, -1/+5This is a quote from Richard Linklater's "Slacker," released in 1991:
"Terrorism is the surgical strike capability of the opressed." - Bensch, on 10/25/2007, -1/+5Civilian defense of territory is guerilla warfare. The resistance in Iraq counts as such.
- natedouglas, on 10/24/2007, -0/+4Although the Act passed by wide margins in both houses of Congress, it has been criticized from its inception for weakening protections of civil liberties. In particular, opponents of the law have criticized its authorization of indefinite detentions of immigrants; "sneak and peek" searches through which law enforcement officers search a home or business without the owner’s or the occupant’s permission or knowledge; the expanded use of "National Security Letters", which allow the FBI to search telephone, email and financial records without a court order; and the expanded access of law enforcement agencies to government records, including library and financial records. Since its passage, several legal challenges have been brought against the act, and Federal courts have ruled that a number of provisions are unconstitutional.
-- Wikipedia - ggnictee, on 10/24/2007, -0/+4yes. they are civilians. you are confusing the word civilian with innocent. Just because someone is a civilian doesn't mean they shouldn't be fought b official forces or that they aren't organized. It just means that they have personally undertaken X (where X is some activity) without the inducement or approval of a government.
So just because you're a murdering lunatic doesn't mean you're not a civilian. - centerblack, on 10/24/2007, -0/+4I bet you all of your diggs are from people who read the first sentence, and not the second.
- Genady, on 10/24/2007, -0/+4Actually... wouldn't it be perhaps better to treat all 'terrorists' as criminals and remove the alternative class of people in our court system?
Terrorism is a crime, not a reason for military action. Sponsorship of terrorism though... that's something different. - guestaccount, on 10/24/2007, -6/+9Ignorance = You
- rspeed, on 10/24/2007, -0/+3Actually, it should be labeled "International Terrorism" on that diagram.
- imdickie, on 10/25/2007, -0/+3This is a complete over simplification of acts of aggression. Terrorism by definition is "The unlawful use or threatened use of force or violence by a person or an organized group against people or property with the intention of intimidating or coercing societies or governments, often for ideological or political reasons."
In that definition everyone in Iraq with a gun is a terrorist. The issue at hand here is the US against anyone else it is a conflict of ideologies. The US needs to come to it's senses and realize democracy is not for everyone. - knobtwiddler, on 10/24/2007, -1/+4this makes no sense
- natedouglas, on 10/24/2007, -0/+3I will if you name one conservative politician who doesn't base theirs on Zoroastrianism.
- Veritate, on 10/24/2007, -2/+5Congratulations for being the only one to correctly tie terrorism to a political purpose.
- Dhekke, on 10/24/2007, -0/+3No, but they're civilians, who attack civilians (and military, ocasionally)
- natedouglas, on 10/24/2007, -0/+3Law is such a relative term anyway. It operates independently of ethics.
- isaactwito, on 10/24/2007, -1/+41. I totally agree with you, terrorism is about spreading terror. It's not about protecting your homeland from an invading nation seeking to take control of your best natural resource.
2. Since I doubt that many people are that afraid of terrorists, but are more afraid of their own government. What the *****? - wisam, on 10/31/2007, -1/+4Exactly. People bombing a local cafe in their own country for political reasons is terrorism and not crime. Crimes mostly have personal reasons.
- natedouglas, on 10/24/2007, -1/+4Are any personal liberties inessential? And if so, who decides what constitutes an essential liberty? Whose side are you on, anyway?
And have you forgotten the warrantless wiretap scandal already, *****? -
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