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- sharpfork, on 10/12/2007, -7/+46So right wingers, what do you have to say about Tilman's scathing critique of the GOP policy in this article?
Are you going to personally attack him?
Are you going to say he for defeat in Iraq?
Are you going to questions his patriotism?
Are you going to say he wants to coddle or appease the terrorists?
I didn't think so... - deter1ii, on 10/12/2007, -2/+34God bless Pat Tillman and his family. I dont know of any other professional sports star that would make the sacrifice that he made. He is truly an inspiration and has my respect.
- reklus, on 10/12/2007, -12/+40BREAKPOINT.
BIASED *****?
OF COURSE IT"S ***** BIASED YOU INBRED CUM DUMPSTER.
He's going to be biased because of HIS EXPERIENCE. His ***** brother got killed and he wasted god knows how long of his life defending WHAT??? Not this country. Cause I think if they really wanted to defend the country, they'd keep the troops HOME and well armed. Instead of out there for some reason barely armed and virtually unshielded.
You and your kind -Your way of hatred and lies is coming to the bitter end snakes like you deserve. We're coming for you. We are your replacement.
If you think this war needs to be fought. Get off your ***** ass and go fight it. NOW.
Because otherwise...We're gonna get you. ALL OF US. ALL OF U.S.A.
You will not get to keep ruining this country. We will take it back and ***** you up in the taking. We're hippies no more, we're pissed and we'll do what has to be done to make sure that our country stays ours and not belonging to Saudi loving asshats that would kill us all for a buck.
You're toast. All of your kind. Toast. Yesterday's garbage. - vudicarus, on 10/12/2007, -3/+31I'm a left-of-center liberal. But I don't think there's any need to goad the right-wing diggers. Let the article speak for itself and let our hands be clean.
- reklus, on 10/12/2007, -2/+25Prozac? Huh...Yeah, maybe I'm overreacting at the thought of thousands of people dying left and right so someone we elected to protect us can make some money.
Yeah, definitely need to be drugged otherwise I might get upset. - drlha, on 10/12/2007, -2/+24There's a little thing called the Geneva convention that says how prisoners of war are treated. It worked great up until Bush.
- stan205, on 10/12/2007, -6/+26oh no, he's now a liberal see. The tactic is, if someone doesn't agree with you they are a liberal. Which in some of their heads equals terrorists, how you make that leap? I have no idea...
- Karyyk, on 10/12/2007, -1/+20Interesting how the left actually thinks the current Republicans are truly on the right. I've said it once, I'll say it again, Neocons are not conservative, not when it comes to economics, not when it comes to foreign policy, not when it comes to growth of government. The very term 'conservative' has been warped, by both parties, into something it was never intended to be, and something that is frankly a mockery of itself.
- JohnSwifty, on 10/12/2007, -5/+21You might remember Pat Tillman, the NFL star who gave up his million dollar contract after 9/11 to serve in Iraq and was subsequently killed by what was probably friendly fire. That's a tragedy in itself; but here is his brother's recent open letter. In it Kevin Tillman--a man who gave his time, his energy, and his brother--details his righteous concerns about the current state of our hegemony. Each of his very direct considerations is preceded by the word, "Somehow," as if even someone who once believed strongly enough in this war to risk his own life (which is saying more than the rest of us), cannot understand "how" we came to be where we are. It is unbelievable. You'll notice, also, that none of his righteous concerns involve his ability to own or handle guns again, in any way. He's a guy who's been there; who's sacrificed more than I hope any of the rest of us ever will; and, I would be inclined to think his head is in the right place and his questions are most legitimate.
Draw attention to his opinion!
Draw attention from anyone in the NRA who thinks that this administration is protecting their second ammendment rights.
Draw attention from anyone who thinks this world is made safer by these madmen.
Draw attention from anyone who still has a brain in their head and still thinks that voting in favor of this fascist regime is a good idea.
Draw attention from anyone you hope might still have a chance of recognizing the situation for as dire as it truly is and point out, in no uncertain terms, that November 7, 2006 may very well be the last time they are given the opportunity to voice their opinion with that which we take so dangerously for granted, OUR VOTE! - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+11What do you think of his brother's comments?
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -6/+16Of course. They will, however, digg down comments & attempt to bury the article. Because it shames them.
And 99% of those people have never served, or even if they had, would never sign up now. - washingtonydc, on 10/12/2007, -2/+11why is his opinion more valid?
how about because unlike all the chickenhawks in DC, Mr. Tilman loves his country so much he put his life on the line willingly for it. how about because he experiences this administration's foreign policy first hand? because he, and the other soldiers, airmen and sailors and their families make all of the sacrifices while the rest of us worry about the latest episode of Deal or No Deal. - hoppdawg, on 10/12/2007, -2/+11All I can say is wow.
I hope he can go in front of congress and deliver his message. - snowbdr, on 10/12/2007, -7/+15If we were to apply Bush's logic to Kevin Tillman it would be this.
Kevin Tillman is against the current American Wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, therefore Kevin Tillman = Someone who has forgotten the lessons of 9/11.
Nice logic Bush. Get off your high horse and snap back into reality. Stop misleading this nation and ruining it for me, and my children. It will take a sea of dramatic change in this country to salvage what we respect we once had internationally and the dignity we all try to uphold but you subvert daily. - nybe, on 10/12/2007, -5/+13Interesting how the right is silent on this digg...
- Osjpr, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9"the same side of the political fence that produced this cartoon:"
The "side"? Are you on crack ....or perhaps you need a tinfoil hat. I guess his brother's alleged political choices would be confusing to someone who believes one cartoonist is the spokesperson for a "side"... idiot. - reklus, on 10/12/2007, -2/+10How am I supposed to feel towards people supporting the growth of terrorism and hatred for my country? How am I supposed to feel towards the people that think that they're americans despite the fact that they destroy EVERYTHING AMERICA STANDS FOR?
VILE HATRED? You're kidding me right? I've never hurt a person in my life, and I would never advocate hurting someone except to stop them hurting someone else and I AM THE ONE FULL OF HATRED?
You idiots that talk about freeing the people from a great dictator also are the ones that call these people "sand *****"
I'M THE ONE FULL OF HATRED?
For your sake I hope there is an afterlife system of punishment for ***** people like you do. Cause based on that one post it's obvious you've got a LOT of ***** to make up for from this lifetime. And getting raked over the coals of the hell of your god for eternity would be a good start to clear your conscience.
(I don't believe in hell btw , that's why I do my good stuff in this lifetime.) - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8i never thought iraq had wmd's.
i despise warmongering republicans who support anyting this administrations dumps out of its ass.
and i dare a conservative to try to malign kevin tillman for what he wrote; he unlike many of the idiotic bush supporters was in the fckuing war. - DigeratiPrime, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7digg should not take any political position ever, leave that to the users.
if you want this to be on the frontpage everyday then i guess one could spam submit and keep voting on it and if thats what people want then it will be on the frontpage. - jeffness, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8His personal opinion may not be any more "valid" than anyone elses; that's what opinions are and everyone has the right to say them. Plus, we are a democracy and everyone from the crazy to the sane can have their opinions and voice them. Validity is hardly the word I would use to describe anyones opinion.
However, some people may give more weight to someone like Kevin though, because he has earned that weight through his service to the Army Rangers. This does not increase the validity, per se, but does increase the amount of respect the opinion earns.
If you choose to respect him and his experience, and weight what someone says knowing what they've done on their past, then good on you... But this is not the "Left", this is Kevin Tillman, former soldier and brother of a fallen soldier... And I find your political slant offensive to reasonable people. - spongy, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8@spiffy
Which one of the many VERY different stories did ESPN use ?
You do realize how many times the story has changed since that day ?
You do realize that Tillmans family and soldiers in the field with him that day claim the current story still isn't the truth?
Please educate YOURSELF. - ratnacage, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9What are we going to do with all of the detainees? They don't fall under the Geneva Conventions, having no uniform and all, hmmm i don't know maybe a trial? Like maybe a fair trial in the open? Maybe some of them are innocent,,, nah that cant happen cause they aren't American. Only Liberal bed-wetters believe that all men are created equal.
- ClassicJBC, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7@tyho
The article is one of frustration, one of a voice fighting to be heard. For anyone to belittle the pain and experience from which that voice comes is beyond the pale. It's fair to disagree with Kevin Tillman's comments. Hell, it's downright patriotic to have an opinion and express it. However, when Breakpoint broke the civility of the thread, I think he deserves any invective that comes his way. - bgoodin, on 10/12/2007, -3/+9@thomash85715
You are a fool.
@ Everyone Else
I'm a conservative guy and I am having a hard time with how things are being handled these days on several fronts. It seems to me that we need some deeper thinkers in the halls of our our government institutions. Unfortunately we currently have a lot of flaming fools on both sides of the isle claiming to represent us. I'm tired of the hyperbole from people like this thomas dufus. I do appreciate people who present passionate and reasoned arguments.
For those who can remember back to the Clinton era we heard the same kind of fanaticism from the right toward Clinton. As a conservative I didn't like the childish dialog then and i certainly don't like it now. I think all these wack jobs (right or left) that want to declare civil war need to cease with their nutcase blabbering and get involved in the system that actually works.
VOTE!!! - tslag, on 10/12/2007, -3/+9Ok, I'm not one to get into something like this, but you guys piss me off:
"What would you have? What would you do with the thousands of people picked up on the battlefield?" --Many, if not most, of them where not picked up off the battlefield. Many, if not most, were in fact brought to US authorities via Pakistani authorities, who got them through tribal disputes. One man was actually arrested and accused of terrorism because he let his sheep graze in someone else's field and pissed off his village leaders.
"That applies to uniformed soldiers of an enemy army. We could just execute them like FDR did in WWII I suppose (uninformed combatants that is)" --Though this may have happened in certain cases (just as it does in any war), it is disingenuous to say FDR did it. In WWII we treated Germans better than our own guys, and made a show of it, so that they would treat their prisoners, some of them Americans, the same way.
"By the way, the only President to use a Nuclear Weapon (unnecessarily according to some liberal whackos) was a Democrat. " -- Yes it was a Democrat. Democrats can be ***** too. Japan had nothing left when we bombed them and had been trying to surrender. Look it up. It's in the books.
Check your history. Read a damn book that was not written by a TV personality. It's all out there, you just have to look for it. - flashboy131, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8first off, thank you Mr. Tillman. may your brother rip.
if anyone from the GOP or White House reads this:
***** YOU ALL.
We want our country back. - zclip, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7wow breakpoint. I think scumbag is too light a word. i don't think it's possible to digg you down enough without overflowing whatever datatype the "comment diggs" database field is.
that was probably one of the most powerful things i've read recently. props to kevin and his family along with my deepest respect. - fnaqzna, on 10/12/2007, -3/+8Right... and there's no such thing as collateral damage either.
You know... sometimes people make mistakes. Sometimes those people are soldiers. - TTheSpook, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7The Bush adminstration would like you to believe that this is just well timed bad news, just in time for the upcoming elections. Theyve been saying that for the last week in all their press conferences. So everything that happens in these next two weeks, are because North Korea, Iran, and the insurgency in Iraq, want to sway our Elections???? *****.
We are not that stupid Mr. Bush. - geekuskhan, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6According to the supreme court it does apply to the prisoners at Guantanamo.
so there - sascapital, on 10/12/2007, -3/+7Modern day Republicans. Not capable of logic. Not capable of reason. It's one thing to be smart and quite another to be wise. Apparent intellect does not ensure one will make wise decisions, nor does it ensure any level of integrity. (implication: average joe off the street could make better decisions than president Cheney) How can anyone support the "Cheney" administration whose basis for war is a web of lies, deceit and gross distortions of reality? Anyone who supports this administration at best lacks wisdom and at worst is a traitor. The administration's claims, rhetoric and tactics simply cannot be trusted.
BTW: I'm tired of the Republican claim that the economic success of the past few years was propelled by tax cuts. The main impetus was the lowering of interest rates to about 0%!! - thomash85715, on 10/12/2007, -10/+14Regime change begins at home. Beautify America: start shooting elected politicians. The ballot box no longer works as instrument of change. Thanks to republican power, Diebold is now affirming pre-ordained election results for us to accept with no options. Mr Tillman is dead on the mark with his heartfelt and angry essay. If this does not raise a call to arms to start a civil war right here in America where we desperately need one, then there is no hope now or for our future.
- Hotortillas, on 10/12/2007, -3/+7I think Americans should just accept that they make a mistake twice by putting W on the white house, and move on, because if they defend what this guy is up to, welcome to the third world, home of the corrupted politicians.
As a Mexican I always envy the Americans, that they never elected a corrupted President, like Mexico always did; ironically Mexico just got his second president elected that is not corrupted and USA just got the second term of their first corrupted president. - lisaluvchild, on 10/12/2007, -3/+7Amen
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -3/+6When the Nazis came for the communists,
I remained silent;
after all I was not a communist.
When they locked up the social democrats,
I remained silent;
after all I was not a social democrat.
When they came for the trade unionists,
I did not speak out;
after all I was not a trade unionist.
When they came for me,
there was no one left to speak out. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3@deter1ii
Pat was an atheist, Deter1ii but I'm sure the sentiment is appreciated by his family. - arTech, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3From one veteran to another, God Bless you Kevin and RIP Pat.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4Yes, why are we there?
Unfortunately, Kevin stills believes in democracy as well, which causes these wars as governments grow and abuse.
Also, last time I checked most Democrats in Congress were still backing this invasion. Yet another example of zero difference between these two parties. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4"I hope he can go in front of congress and deliver his message."
Why don't you deliver the message on Nov. 7th? - MobbyG, on 10/12/2007, -4/+6@thomash85715
If you want change, then do it by electing those that want to make a real change for America. It only takes a couple hours to visit websites and see who is for changing the course of the war and who is for the status quo.
I for one vote for change. We need a new direction. Someone with a map and GPS, because the Bush administration's GPS' batteries died a looong time ago! - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4Saling writes: "Every single breathing American should read this and feel the pain that comes from having allowed this administration in power."
While this administration is horrible, so is the alternative (or what everyone thinks is the only other option), the Dummocrats. There is zero difference between the two parties. Both get us into wars (WWI, WWII, Vietnam were Democrats). Both steal more and more of our money, and give it to their friends. Both continue to trample on our liberties (Clinton put more people in jail for pot than any other president in history). It won't end until people wake up and stop voting for either of these two groups. Do we even need them? - riverside71, on 10/12/2007, -6/+8surprising this is still dwindling down below.. i've seen crappier stuff make it to front page on less diggs..
maybe it should've said Kevin Tillman gets Apple's shiny new gadget. - infopro, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2"I think Americans should just accept that they make a mistake twice by putting W on the white house, and move on,"
The only problem with that is that we didn't. Our political system would have worked had not the USSC exercised a political agenda instead of the election law in 2000. - vdtaylor, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1"thank god liberals do not believe in guns, cause some of them are wacko enough to do what the OP is proposing"
Muyoso. What an idiot you are. What does this mean? "liberals do not believe in guns". I can't type words to express how stupid this statement is. I have many guns, and I'm a liberal. But, since I don't "believe" in my guns, does that mean that they don't exist? Hmm. Curiosly moronic statement among the many you have made here. - lateralus, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1The Tillmans are true heros. I wish Kevin Tillman and his father wrote once a week.
- Leviathan777, on 10/12/2007, -4/+5Suck it, conservatards. The winds of change will sweep you into history's dustbin.
What's interesting about these statements is 1) they are clear, moving, and eloquent. 2) you can't impeach his patriotism, like you do every chance you get (cf Max Cleland). 3) People who aren't even liberal get it - the reasons for the war were a lie 4) The war has been a failure 5) The war in Iraq has made us less safe.
This isn't the "far left" talking as BOR and his ancient audience would have you believe; this is a majority of Americans. And increasingly, a number of highly, openly patriotic Americans feel compelled to speak up about it. Tillman is just one; there are also lots of retired generals (oh, yeah, such libs), lots of former intelligence types (mostly Republican, at that), lots of former policy types (including many Republicans who served high-level positions under Reagan (again, what a lib) and Bush I.
Face it - the WMDs aren't going to be found, and you are on the wrong side of history (again). - cemptor, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Kevin Tillman is dead right.
"Somehow reason is being discarded for faith, dogma, and nonsense"
...
"Somehow a narrative is more important than reality"
The sad thing is, a lot of the passion of people reacting to it dissipates into name calling and finger pointing (as on this post) - "libs versus neocons" or "dems versus republicans". "left versus right"
The disease is beyond that. The country has been insular for too long. It's governments (not its people) have been murdering faraway, racially different people for decades: Philippines (6+m), Korea, Vietnam(3+m), Cambodia and now Iraq and Afghanistan, not mentioning Latin america
No matter who's been in power.
As long as people here put no value to life that is not american born, this will continue. As long as people don't care, as long as they get their TV fix and can fuel their SUVs, and shop, exploitation and murder abroad will continue.
How many news articles or comments talking about the 2700+ US soldiers dead mention 600,000+ Iraqi civilians dead? How many mention 500,000+ dead children (UN figures) because of Clinton's sanctions?
Somehow debate in this country is binary, with only two labels, and it only looks inward. It starts by taking sides like a football game, and then it is only cheerleading and name calling.
I know I will be labeled as "left" because I don't agree with someone's point of view in this "with us or against us society" - Saiing, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Every single breathing American should read this and feel the pain that comes from having allowed this administration in power.
- vdtaylor, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1"Biased bullcrap spewing from his mouth."
Breakpoint: What would you call your statement then? I suppose you believe that your spew is unbiased? Perhaps the -40+ diggs you have is enough proof that you are (not Tillman or almost everybody here) the problem? It will probably never occur to you that YOU and the people you support are at fault for our current political and world problems? It doesn't seem to matter how many people don't agree with you -- you still don't get it. You are a small minority in the U.S., and an even smaller minority in the world. But you still don't get it, do you? Hubris and ignorance is what you know -- not politics, foreign policy, or humanity. - SidIszehn, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1(In honor of Pat Tillman's life and service, and Kevin Tillman's service and loss):
"NO MORE BULL, MR. PRESIDENT"
George Bush is like a classic champion bullfighter.
The bull stands at a distance, snorting, and digging at the dirt, indicating its challenging intention. The bullfighter turns his back with confidence, arms at his side, and sword within reach. With a casual turn, he then waves the red flag in the face of the huge, snorting bull. The enraged bull charges right at the matador, knocks him high into the air and he lands hard and flat on his ass.
The bullfighter appears dazed and confused. Slowly, he gets up, faces the bull again, and vows to fight back (this time). And he does, masterfully sticking the bull with a few picadors' lances, drawing some blood and anger.
Then, just when the bull weakens, the splendidly dressed matador goes out into the forest and kills a deer.
He sends in a sizeable contingent of toreadors to kill the abundant deer throughout the forest, all while the bull gains strength elsewhere.
The killing of the deer doesn't set well with the forest-dwellers, and they get angry. This ongoing action brings out the bears and the wolves who live in and nearby the forest, because, well, they eat deer, and can take easy advantage of the plentiful and defenseless deer scattering in all directions, confused as to where to turn in a suddenly unfamiliar environment. And they'll happily eat human deer-killers, too. When they happen to run into each other, they also kill each other, because they're predators and natural enemies, agitated and upset at the disturbing intrusion of their domain by all.
Well, poor George doesn't understand any of this. So some of the toreadors, and other officials elected and hired to assist with managing the prestigious bullfighting profession, explain it to him. But he just believes he has to get rid of more deer, to calm the forest. After all, if the deer can be managed, the forest will be calmer and less dangerous. But there sure are a lot of deer, and more bear and wolves than expected. So he sends in more toreadors to handle the bears and the wolves, along with the deer.
And the bull snorts, and digs into the ground.
Mr. President, it's time to get out of the forest and leave the deer and the bears and the wolves alone. We've learned how to live in respectful coexistence with the forest, when we respect the nature of the inhabitants, and how they relate, as they have for eons. We cannot change nature, but we can work with it.
So, get back to the bull, Mr. President. Either kill it, or stop bringing it back to the stadium and dancing around with it in front of us, making it angrier and angrier by your pin-pricks, your posturing, your active ignorance and your smug silence.
Or we'll do it for you, without you. Certainly you, of all people, understand that.
No more bull, Mr. President. -
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