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- LorraineH, on 09/04/2008, -16/+26GREAT ARTICLE! Ms. Palin did NOT reach out to everyday American women-no talk of healthcare or education for our children. Just WAR WAR WAR
- lgoodman, on 09/04/2008, -12/+21I think Steinem's point here is very well-expressed: "She was elected governor largely because the incumbent was unpopular, and she's won over Alaskans mostly by using unprecedented oil wealth to give a $1,200 rebate to every resident. Now she is being praised by McCain's campaign as a tax cutter, despite the fact that Alaska has no state income or sales tax. Perhaps McCain has opposed affirmative action for so long that he doesn't know it's about inviting more people to meet standards, not lowering them. Or perhaps McCain is following the Bush administration habit, as in the Justice Department, of putting a job candidate's views on "God, guns and gays" ahead of competence. The difference is that McCain is filling a job one 72-year-old heartbeat away from the presidency."
How can Americans stand to see McCain take such a risk on our behalf, to see him make such a hasty and reckless decision when it might affect all of us? The desperate justifications for why, in some skewed version of reality, Palin might have credentials that could make us more confident in her ability to take on these responsibilities, have been making me very anxious. It's all well and good for Cindy McCain to say that Palin has foreign policy experience because Alaska is the closest state to Russia, but if that's really the best they can come up with, then I am very, very nervous. The chance that this person might end up in a position where we all regret her lack of competence is too great, and the recklessness of it gives me cold shudders. - lsumed, on 09/04/2008, -14/+22I think the republicans are missing the point with Independent voters.
- MCGEEST, on 09/04/2008, -11/+18http://digg.com/television/Jon_Stewart_Annihilates ...
Watch Rove, O'Reill, fox and others make complete fools of themselves over Palin.. HILARIOUS!
Palin the reformer!
Palin is #1 when it comes to pork barrel spending.
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/ ...
Disgracefull, in a time of soaring revenues for Alaska due to high oil prices paid for by Americans she takes your hard earned money twice. And leaves you with a deficit of cartoony proportions.
It sure does make her popular back home though!
But she still managed to leave her town of 6000 people, a $5 million budget and NO debt with a $22 million debt. She fired city employees for not 'supporting her' tried to censor the library and fire the librarian when she did not comply, supported the bridge to nowhere before it became a national joke but still took the earmark money, ran a 527 for Ted Stevens and her husband used to be a member of the Alaska secessionist party which she attended and she is under investigation for the firing of a state trooper for doing his job.
Great reform record! - Sweettart99, on 09/04/2008, -7/+13My (F) gender is suffering. While some people may pick on Steinem, can any of you say that what she states factually about Palin's politics, are deceptive/false? I applaud women entering arenas that were previously closed to us. I am proud that by our own power and dedication, we can bring about the change we seek, without the steadying/guiding hand, condescension or conceded power by men. McCain+Palin will effectively hobble and cause greater setbacks in women's rights and equality (for gays, women, middle-class). This obvious tactic that McCain pulled to draw female voters, is an insult. My body is my own (pro-choice), my thoughts/education shouldn't be dictated (creationism vs. evolution) and I like reading what I want (to have a library culled of "inappropriate" books when free speech is such a basic tenet of a true democracy is beyond insane).
I'm all for women's power. I am NOT for a gender betrayal that advocates giving up hard won gains that are as personal as my own body. - nixfu, on 09/05/2008, -1/+6
Gloria???? WHERE HAVE YOU BEEN? I thought you cared about womens rights and were against sexism?
Oh...only if its against far left women? I see...now I understand. - prophet5, on 09/05/2008, -1/+6She's stlil alive? I thought they buried her, along with her out-dated Liberal rhetoric years ago.
I'm GLAD she's different from the World's Most Dangerous Woman (Hitlery). We need someone with successful experience in running something, not Hillary, and her failed attempts to ruin healthcare for everyone.
Gloria, most women become brilliant as they get older - you've become a tired old hag. - peheimbach, on 09/04/2008, -5/+9You can only string three adjectives together for Hillary? I guess that's 1950's McCarthy-ist education for us all.
Then again, having watched the primers on "How to Speak Republican" (search it) on YouTube, the hatred with which you Biblical Christian types spew those three words probably makes up for the lack of more of them. - inactive, on 09/05/2008, -4/+7Gloria why don't you and Hillary take turns waxing eachothers back hair.
- nihilville, on 09/05/2008, -0/+3Oh NO, you _didn't_ just quote the book of proverbs at him!
Daaaaaamn, son!
Way to practice the path of the Lamb of God! - mnpilot, on 09/05/2008, -0/+3Most christian today would kill Jesus for being too communist. You stupid ***** hillbilly.....
- Qness, on 09/05/2008, -5/+8"The left must silence her"?! Seems she's hiding from the press to me. The only time she comes out to tell us more about herself is after she goes into seclusion for days to prepare for her big speech and now she's off again.
The public has every right to ask questions regarding who she is and what she has done. It's unfortunate that all we are getting are stories that we certainly wish she would respond to publicly. If McCain had vetted her and handled her 'coming out' in a more 'executive-like' manner we all would not have to be asking questions about who she is.
The fact that she isn't answering these questions makes me really question either 1) they are true or 2) she isn't competent to answer or both????? - Taiyoryu, on 09/05/2008, -0/+2Yes. The right to vote is a responsibility. I can see that you're only 18 so responsibility might be a new concept for you, but if you plan on participating in this election then given the importance of that responsibility you owe it to yourself and your fellow citizens to be informed and that means you ask questions, sometimes hard questions. Skepticism is healthy.
BTW snowboarding rocks! - DAILYCROW, on 09/05/2008, -1/+3Creationist are proof of Evolutionist correctness. Because it demonstrates we still have monkeys amongst us.
- Taiyoryu, on 09/05/2008, -1/+3Pointing out Palin's shortcomings and strengths has nothing to do with fear. It's what you do when you're a responsible and informed voter.
- inactive, on 09/05/2008, -1/+3Yes, it is sad that you are so uninformed that you can't name any of Obama's accomplishments.
- inactive, on 09/05/2008, -5/+7Gloria Steinem? GLORIA STEINEM? Columnist for the LA Times? The newspaper whose readership is dropping faster than the stock market? Please, the woman has as much credibility as the National Enquirer. Los Angeles is a liberal bastion, of course she's going to write and believe this crap. Bitter old crone.
- dusanmal, on 09/05/2008, -4/+6"and opposes everything most other women want and need." - funny, I have seen thousands of women cheering Palin... But, as always Left assumes that everyone must think the same way as they do or they are ignorant minority.
- IVillageIdiot, on 09/05/2008, -0/+2Right, if your "IQ" (whatever that is...) is high enough, it doesn't matter if you’re wrong about everything, as long as you use really cool multi-syllabic spittle fodder to blow smoke up the pseudo-intellectual’s backsides who then continually confuse IQ with virtue and wisdom.
HELLO??? - Samsauce, on 09/05/2008, -5/+7Last nights speech was good. Digg me down if you want. Most that will down me never even heard her speech. It was real IMO. It didn't sound like Hilary's fake, disconnected crap. She was very down to earth with her thoughts. My first time hearing her and my TRUE first impression. Don't be a Digg sheep, listen for yourself and judge after.
- inactive, on 09/05/2008, -5/+7FTA: "She opposes just about every issue that women support by a majority or plurality. She believes that creationism should be taught in public schools but disbelieves global warming; she opposes gun control but supports government control of women's wombs; she opposes stem cell research but approves "abstinence-only" programs, which increase unwanted births, sexually transmitted diseases and abortions; she tried to use taxpayers' millions for a state program to shoot wolves from the air but didn't spend enough money to fix a state school system with the lowest high-school graduation rate in the nation; she runs with a candidate who opposes the Fair Pay Act but supports $500 million in subsidies for a natural gas pipeline across Alaska; she supports drilling in the Arctic National Wildlife Reserve, though even McCain has opted for the lesser evil of offshore drilling. She is Phyllis Schlafly, only younger."
- demicritter, on 09/05/2008, -0/+1Shut up you ignorant putz.
- demicritter, on 09/05/2008, -0/+1The libertoids will defend any liberal now matter how freaking lame and out of touch. Gloria, the dried-up feminist krone, hasn't been the lime light since she burned her bra 40 years ago. Now her breasts are dragging...they, and her stupid opinion, both have no support.
- demicritter, on 09/05/2008, -0/+1Sarcasm and you blow.
- SydBloom, on 09/04/2008, -3/+4I remember the daughter of one of the founders of NOW some years ago decrying the hijacking of her Mom's vision by this current crop of screaming demogogues and hysterical fuglies and how they had completely corrupted and destroyed the entire purpose of the organization with their stalinist and intolerent narrow view of women and what constituted equality and freedom.
Of course the old barren codgers like steinhem screamed her off the stage..she did publish a daming book though a few years later. I'll have to see if I can find it. - IVillageIdiot, on 09/05/2008, -0/+1Pake's Q: "You probably have no problem with killing people assuming their Muslim, right?"
How tedious (and feeble BTW), in that killing isn't subject to moral equivalency, IE 98% of your problem. Killing itself is not inherently immoral. Hello?? If it were, how could an abortion ever be a legitimate act in your eyes?? Because the professor said so???
Your implication that there is some sort of hypocrisy on my part, based on an assumption on your part, namely that I would support the killing of Muslims yet maintain that the killing of yet to be born children, belies both principal failings on your part, not hypocrisy on mine.
You use your OWN assumption to generate my hypocrisy??? Which class did you learn that in, Critical Thinking 101 or Poly-Sci 501?
If ALL killing is immoral, Muslim, Nazis, Commies, criminals, civilians, blacks, whites, greys, greens, blues, men, women, children, and bunny rabbits, then WHY is there an exception made for babies? Why include everyone in a moratorium on killing EXCEPT those who would threaten the convenience their absence affords your life??? Party solidarity and votes? Sounds fairly Nazi to me…
Failing #1- All killing is not equal. Unfortunately, to stop those who WOULD kill innocents (that is the real definition of murder, not the dispatching of sworn soldiers of the volunteer variety to sequester and/or kill those who WOULD murder innocents) a degree of force may be required. That does occasionally mean killing them, not murdering them as they have given up any legitimate claim of innocents when THEY decided to commit murders, whether in the name of the State or as individuals. If you decide to kill an innocent, you have self-abrogated your own protection of innocence. A Nazi, or a Commie, or a petty criminal that self selects death for others, is no longer innocent and we own them nothing with regard to their existence.
Failing #2- Muslims, as you imply or have been convinced, aren’t inherently innocent or guilty. Each individual’s innocents or lack thereof is precisely the same as that of any Jew or Christian, indeterminate. You can’t ascribe guilt or innocence based on a group affiliation, only by examining the actions of each individual is that possible. Is the Muslim a murderer? Is the Jew a murderer? Is the Christian a murderer? Are the murderers organized into functional groups trained and equipped to achieve an every lager number of murder victims and to destroy those who would stop them?
To answer your “question” more directly, WRONG!
I have a problem with the intentional killing of innocents which most rational people call murder. It doesn’t matter if the victim is a Muslim, Jew, Christian, or an unborn child. I have no problem with the killing of those who would murder regardless of the excesses they may offer, or any claim of necessity, perceived or otherwise.
PS
Next time instead of saying "Anyways, if you want to compare someone to Nazi's, maybe you should check yourself.", try something a little shorter and grammatically correct instead, like...
"I know you are, but what am I". - demicritter, on 09/05/2008, -0/+1Gloria reminds of a bad fish monger...from an olafactory standpoint at least.
- peheimbach, on 09/04/2008, -6/+7Whatever happened to simply rendering an opinion for what it's worth?
Are you going to ask the same questions of all of the Right-wing nut jobs who simply comment (assuming it's possible for a RWNJ to 'simply comment') on this or that?
Just because someone (even an icon) opens his or her mouth on something doesn't make what they say gospel demanding obedience -- although it seems that the Right has forgotten that in the last dozen to twenty years
Despite comments on slavish obedience to Barack Obama, the majority of the left doesn't operate in the spirit of demagoguery.. - Pake, on 09/05/2008, -0/+1Wow... didn't think anyone would be able to pull a Godwin's Law over my comment. Anyways, if you want to compare someone to Nazi's, maybe you should check yourself. You probably have no problem with killing people assuming their Muslim, right?
- sideffects, on 09/05/2008, -0/+1My bad, I was tired last night and I thought you said UNinformed. haha sorry.
- akchrs, on 09/05/2008, -5/+6Gloria Steinem: Has been who needs to go away.
- Troy64, on 09/05/2008, -0/+1I commented on the wrong story.
- Pake, on 09/05/2008, -1/+2"The deep-rooted sexism of liberal men and women has been exposed and it is ugly."
WTF? If you're speaking outside political boundaries, then read up on what the word "liberal" means here: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/liberal
If by chance you think a person being sexist is based on their political leanings, then you have some issues. - inactive, on 09/04/2008, -4/+5I wouldn't even want to share a chromosome with that witch.
- demicritter, on 09/05/2008, -0/+1BS, BS, BS.
- Troy64, on 09/05/2008, -0/+1When I saw the title I thought it was a compliment for Palin.
- chilldeity, on 09/05/2008, -0/+1God did it
- IVillageIdiot, on 09/05/2008, -1/+2Pake says: “Not to mention, having an abortion is not murder until 51% of the thing resembles a human.”
Spoken like an authentic sap wielding Nazi… if you swap out the word “thing”, for example, with the word “Jew” (or pick any race, creed, or gender intrinsic to humanity you’d like), you get a better understanding of Pake’s gentle sentiments. After all, Jews (or girls for that matter) are nothing but “things” as well, they’re not really worthy of life like REAL human beings are, eh? A REAL human being wouldn’t get in the way of all your fun, would they Pake? If those dirty little Jews (or girls) take up space at the beach, you should just kill them all, they’re getting in the way of all your fun, taking up all your spare time, and eating the things you could be eating, eh?. We should really just KILL them all when they get in the way like that, after all those “things” are really inconvenient, right. They’re just Jews (or girls), why not??
The real test for our friend Pake, appears to be if you make it out of the womb or not; it’s a lot like a Jew making it across the Rhine, or not. If you make it across, you get to live because the people on the other side, don’t think of you as a “thing” anymore. If you don’t make it across, your owners get to kill you because you aren’t actually a human being until you make it over the line. I wonder when a human being becomes human in the minds of some people; when they cross into France? Into England? Into Canada? Into Australia? When exactly does a human being get to “BE A HUMAN” when they live amongst Nazis???
Do you think people actually change from human to non-human as they cross boarders? Or, is it more likely that the people who live inside those boarders just treat them differently because they see some people as more human, and some less? I am inclined to think the latter when I hear statements like …”until 51% of the thing resembles a human”.
Wow! Now, what happens if I’m just on the line, not quite over yet, BUT… I “resemble” 50.3% of a human being, what then??? Do I “resemble” a human being if I don’t have two arms like everyone else?? What if my skin is just a little darker and I don’t resemble all the other human beings in the room, do I resemble a human being well enough to be allowed to live? Sounds like those Spartans I hear about occasionally, if the State examiner finds a defect of some kind, the “less than human” child is laid out on a hillside where the buzzards and wolves get their pick of the “things” left out for them to eat. Or, the Nazi doctors that would examine the imperfect people living amongst them and if three of them apply an “X” to their record book, well that person wasn’t a person any longer, they were inconvenient to the Nazis and could dealt with now that they were mere “things”.
Yes Pake, you’re right, let’s not mention it, at least not in front of children that might have difficulty understanding your carefully nuisanced beliefs regarding their humanity. They might actually begin to understand you at some point and that could turn ugly for us all. Don’t fret though, I’ll ALWAYS be there to help them understand you and yours, a lot better. - mattowan, on 09/04/2008, -18/+19There is no mistaking Steinham is a liberal democrat first and feminist second.
- sideffects, on 09/05/2008, -8/+9If she is the wrong woman, then why are you liberals so scared of her?
- DAILYCROW, on 09/06/2008, -0/+0i think your underpants are too tight
- druid43, on 09/13/2008, -0/+0If you are a man, your ranting is understandable; if you're a woman, SHAME ON YOU!!!
- booksnmore4you, on 09/05/2008, -2/+2Palin displayed the ugliest kind of "pit bull" politics (to use her words) that tear down the other side with cheap ad hominem attacks, surrounded by a cloud of half-truths and ridiculous innuendo.
ENOUGH OF THIS SORT OF THING! - 8thAAFWW2, on 09/05/2008, -1/+1Why doesn't the left look into Joe Bidden's (ADULT) sons business ties with lobbyists. Look Palin is a grown women she can answer questions put to her on Policy , but why does the left attack her 17 year old daughter, her decision to have a special needs child and then float a evil dirty & false story on the Daily Kos about the child, Question her decision to have a political career with children (Which would NEVER be asked of a man or a liberal Democratic woman. Why does she have a
popularity rating in a zogby poll in Alaska of a low of 80% top a high of 90%?, Why did US Magazine float the story that her Husband was picked up for DUI but failed to mention it was over 22 years ago and he has had a clean record since.
She will answer policy & experience questions (Its only been a week since she was announced as a VP pick.)
I think you guys have overplayed your hand and you are panicking. McCain might not be elected but she will be a formidable Conservative for you guys to deal with in the future.
GET OVER THE FACT THAT NOT ALL FEMINISTS ARE PRO-ABORTION & LIBERAL. - inactive, on 09/05/2008, -4/+4I don't even need to read any more comments, this one is the winner!
It gave me a true lol. - MoxyMultimedia, on 09/12/2008, -0/+0It's an op/ed piece. She's not a columnist.You can send in an op/ed piece also.
- MoxyMultimedia, on 09/12/2008, -0/+0I listened. To the whole fire and brimstone rant. I didn't hear her say anything useful at all. I think she sounded like a party-line fool, following a bunch of fools, reading a speech written by a fool to a bunch of cheering fools in foolish hats. IMHO.
- Jimmy76, on 09/06/2008, -0/+0The republicans have a knack for making bad decisions on the run, first Afghanistan, then Iraq etc.... and now Palin, another decision made on the whim without much thought and one that is sure to come back and bite them.
Great article Gloria and I believe women won't fall for the republican trickery! - DAILYCROW, on 09/06/2008, -0/+0jajaja
the village idiot is a riot -
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