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- hiPpymIck, on 12/26/2008, -2/+29this line in TFA stood out to me
"What you just read is not an excerpt from a leaked version of Obama's inauguration speech. It's an excerpt from a speech made by President Jimmy Carter on July 15, 1979."
not that it isnt an interesting comparison - just it wasnt Obama - beauley, on 12/25/2008, -8/+32The comming administration must immediately embark on what I'd like to refer to as this nation's Renewable Energy "Manhattan Project". Without it there will be no rebound in our present economy as forcast by this new administration. We have no choice.
- junkneo, on 12/26/2008, -1/+23Hope he converts politics into possibilities and policies into actions.
Energy infrastructure development projects can bring more than the jobs lost this year. - inactive, on 12/26/2008, -3/+14Yup...history repeats because people learn nothing.
- BigMacMcChicken, on 12/26/2008, -3/+13it's because they have run out of time to blame George Bush for things. Very soon they are going to have to look at a country run by their former savior and see it's just as crappy as it was before. Except this time there will be a democrat house, democrat senate, and a democrat president. There will be no republican boogeymen to blame it on. Everyone who became "politically aware" since 1994 has always had a right wing emmauel goldstein to blame things on. I worry about these people. So much time and energy put it to political rants and hatred. Where is all that energy going to go when there is no right winger to scream about?
- thesilentrep, on 12/25/2008, -4/+14The line in the article that stood out to me is "this transition to a new, cleaner energy economy is not going to be quick, and it's not going to be easy." Although there is no question that America needs to move towards energy independence, this is not going to happen overnight, and I think this is lost on many people.
I wonder how many people who are clamoring for all these green initiatives actually are willing to do what it takes, and how many are just jumping on the bandwagon. - HeroicLife, on 12/26/2008, -1/+10How about allowing markets rather than central planners to provide energy for a change? Socialism failed the last 1,000,000 times it was tried.
- HeroicLife, on 12/26/2008, -0/+8How about allowing markets rather than central planners to provide energy for a change?
- cquinnd, on 12/26/2008, -2/+10>> Hybrid cars,for example. You know that hybrid cars only run on battery power when they're going under 30 mph?
That depends on the hybrid design, some run on the batteries at all speeds, but use the engine for an additional boost of power at higher speeds.
>> The rest of the time they're regular cars.
Regular cars do not recharge their battery while braking as well. There are other potential benefits to hybrids that you do not touch on here.
>> Or solar cells on your roof.
So don't replace all the electricity, even a small reduction in load for certain areas at peak times can be a benefit to the grid overall. - paddingtonb, on 12/26/2008, -2/+10The energy crisis might well be Obama's biggest challenge with peak oil and all.
- ftx437, on 12/26/2008, -0/+7I hope you are being sarcastic about that..
- ipushmycar, on 12/26/2008, -2/+9My motto (has been before and after election):
BARACK OBAMA:
Same *****. Different color.
... not to say I'm "anti-Obama", simply that like OP said, he is not our nation's savior. - stevebee, on 12/26/2008, -0/+7Seems as if a lot of people don't really get that.
Central planning has already been tried. The USSR, Red China, N Korea, Cuba...and it has always led to lifelong poverty, rationing of basic needs, empty store shelves. And the murder of millions. - oboshoe, on 12/26/2008, -4/+10In four years or eight years, little will be different.
Obama will not be the disaster the Republicans fear he will be. Obama will not the the savior that Democrats hope for.
Obama will fix a few things really well, and ***** up a few things really bad.
In 100 years, Obama will be remembered primarily as the first black man who became president, signaling the end of racial discrimination.
In 100 years, Bush will be remember as the son of a president, who started a war that was controversial about something that no one can remember two years after they learned about it in 5th grade.
In 100 years, energy will still be a big problem to solve, just as it has been since man first learned how to build the first fire.
Nope. We're too stupid too really change. We all want our neighbors to change, or the guy down the street to change.
In the end, our destiny is lead by Providence, far more than will. - inactive, on 12/26/2008, -0/+6What gave it away? The fact that the article stated that it was an excerpt from a speech by Jimmy Carter, perhaps?
- PeachesTheCow, on 12/26/2008, -1/+7Steve, you're not thinking very hard. The oil we have (and let's include Alberta for arguments sake) is incredibly expensive and incredibly filthy to refine - it's a REALLY bad deal.
- oldhick, on 12/26/2008, -8/+13Eh... The economy can rebound without renewable energy. That's complete bs to imply otherwise.
- inactive, on 12/26/2008, -3/+8STFU
- vpshockwave, on 12/26/2008, -3/+8RTFA
- oldhick, on 12/26/2008, -2/+7Our current economic problems aren't the result of our energy problems alone nor will energy solutions resolve this economic crisis.
Provide the stats for renewable energy providing jobs for millions.
I could care less about clean coal. Nuclear is an excellent solution and I'm not at all opposed to renewable energy sources.
Again, the economy can rebound without renewable energy solutions. I'm not saying renewable energy isn't important for our countries future, it is. - magplad, on 12/26/2008, -3/+8Rush Limbaugh tells me to be angry at anything labeled "green", so I don't have to think or read or draw my own conclusions! GRAWR!
- cquinnd, on 12/26/2008, -1/+6You just provided the classic definition of "peak oil" thank you.
Its not that there is no more old left, its that we have passed the point where it is as easy to extract as it used to be back before the 1970s oil crisis. - darny, on 12/26/2008, -1/+6dugg. please bury this article as title inaccurate. it seems like all these commenters didn't RTFA.
- inactive, on 12/26/2008, -0/+5And what about FDR? How were his three R's not progressive?
- inactive, on 12/26/2008, -3/+8Yes. I especially hope he follows Carter as a 1 term utterly failed President. It will give us something to make fun of for another 30 years.
- oboshoe, on 12/26/2008, -0/+5It's ok. If there is one thing that Americans excel it, is complaining about our politicians.
- GRTWHT, on 12/26/2008, -1/+6Well, obviously you must be independently wealthy, since the only 'crisis' that matters to the vast majority of us (the 'working class' or 'lower class' to the rich *****) is the economic one...most people don't give a crap where their power comes from right now, they simply care if they will be able to pay for it!
- FearlessFreep, on 12/26/2008, -2/+6"it's exactly the scale of project we need."
Bunch of guys in the desert working on something nobody knows about until it's unleashed on the world with horrifying consequences?? - darny, on 12/26/2008, -0/+4Please define "doing what it takes."
As individuals, we can switch our light bulbs and cars until the landfills overflow with outdated technology, but the real change is going to come through renewable/alternative friendly legislation.
As I see it, we are essentially powerless to "do what it takes" through our consumption. - rrife, on 12/26/2008, -0/+4That may be true, but those low oil prices are seriously undermining the OPEC countries' ability to maintain their infrastructure and their people. They need high oil prices to pay for the upkeep of a lot of high tech infrastructure they've been investing in, while at the same time trying to purchase food for their people.
- audiophiliac, on 12/26/2008, -1/+5You can also do an Evo hack to a prius where you can switch the battery motors on and off when you feel like it. Granted it isn't suggested.
- stevebee, on 12/26/2008, -0/+4"some [hybrids] run on the batteries at all speeds"
Like to VOLT? That's the one that claims to go 40 miles before it needs recharging? But experts say that 20-25 miles is more realistic.
Either way, what good is a car that only runs 40 miles?
And then it claims that it will recharge the battery with a small gas motor. Won't work.
It's not for sale yet...wait and see. - inactive, on 12/27/2008, -0/+4No market with a federal reserve spewing out fiat money and various favored banks manipulating it (see precious metals) is "free." None. It's not possible. And when Bush talks about capitalist principles like a free market, it is like being lectured on chastity by a $5 whore.
- krnldmp, on 12/26/2008, -0/+4I think making a religion out of classic bureaucratic inertia will wind up killing this nation if anything else doesn't.
- oboshoe, on 12/26/2008, -0/+4Obama was very wise in one particular thing he said. "Change comes from us."
Its also a very clever way of saying that nothing will change. - untreadatom, on 12/26/2008, -0/+3I think this Steve guy is missing the point. OK so we do have oil here in the states, but not nearly the amount we would need to sustain our energy use for any respectable amount of time. So what do we do in a few years after you have drilled it all out with you're new technologies? We use up so much oil so fast that the tiny amount we do have would amount to a steaming pile of nothing.
- moe146, on 12/26/2008, -0/+3Wind energy is the biggest fraud out there right now. It simply doesn't work. It doesn't reduce CO2 because the other plants must run constantly anyway at less than peak efficiency. It doesn't reduce our use of oil as oil is not really used for electricity generation. It is the most overblown "symbol" of hope out there and the wind company executives are laughing all the way to the bank with huge subsidies, carbon credits and tax holidays.
In the meantime, viable sources of renewable energy are being ignored and not being researched. ANY solution is not the best solution. People would rather desecrate millions of hectares of land with giant steel and concrete useless machines than give their heads a shake and look into the real facts.
This is a classic case of mass brain-washing. Forget what the engineers are saying...this is all about ideology...not science. - randumbusername, on 12/26/2008, -0/+3lame. another article talking about what someone else should be doing.
i swear the people writing these articles (new energy, new technology, new health care, etc) attempt to come off as the most intelligent people on the planet yet they aren't doing *****. that right there tell me the ***** doesn't work properly. what kind of dumbass would i look like waiting for government to develop a technology that can increase my net worth and/or challenge the status quo. government is only good at maintaining the the status quo (Emergency Economic Stabilization Act of 2008 as an example). with prices falling this is the prime opportunity for the so-called geniuses to bring ideas to market. only two things could possible be getting in the way: government or being full of hot air.
i wish this crap could be classified as a religion so we could get the hate articles. - cquinnd, on 12/26/2008, -1/+4capitalists and innovators also like tax incentives for doing so.
- scamper22, on 12/26/2008, -0/+3Here's a better question. How many of those talking about the green economy actually put their money where their mouth is and become engineers and scientists and start companies?
- PeachesTheCow, on 12/26/2008, -1/+4I don't think he does, but it's exactly the scale of project we need. Call it a new "apollo project" if you like that better...
- Frnnkdlxx, on 12/26/2008, -2/+5Tanslation: Time to destroy America.
- whiledo, on 03/25/2009, -0/+3The title is inaccurate how, exactly? It simply says Obama's plan needs to be serious and not just normal political jibber jabber. You might say that the summary is inaccurate because it cuts off before the point is made. But the title isn't.
- aufte, on 12/26/2008, -2/+5I, as a Canadian, hate our socialist system! I miss having to pay huge bills when I get sick, I miss having to pay huge bills for schooling and bussing, and I especially hate, that my tax dollars go to things like homeless shelters, water cleansing, and stupid ass government companies that take care of the bills! I mean, what the ***** is that *****? I want to be ripped off! I want to have no choice!
- cquinnd, on 12/26/2008, -2/+5The economy can rebound without renewable energy. Yes, but its not a bad idea to look at new opportunities for future development while we help the economy rebound.
- nibble4bits, on 12/26/2008, -0/+3Buried for inaccurate, and here's why. The title and "leaked" information is misleading, it made me read the article. Disgusting style of journalism, okay you made your point, but you lied and tricked people into reading your article to make it. Although I do agree with the overall message, we need to do more than just talk about being independent from oil.
- diggduggjoe, on 12/26/2008, -0/+3Looking for new opportunities is the job of capitalists and innovators, not the government.
- RexxxMaster, on 12/27/2008, -0/+2well, he has won. we don't have to support him 100%. Now we can see if he is up to the task of playing his role as President.
- bruce86, on 12/28/2008, -0/+2@steve bee,
I believe it was the NEOCONs who for 7 years forget to lift a presidential offshore drilling ban. I also believe the the presidential ban was also put in by a CON in the first place.
What we are doing with not actively drilling for more oil, is is the same thing we do in the medical field. We do this all the time with treatments, but no one seems to complain there. Instead of spraying the world with antibiotics we actively try to conserve, so that we don't have to find the new more potent drug while people are dying in massive outbreaks of untreatable diseases. Instead we can take our time and find safer drugs that won't cause kidney failure, to treat common bugs like staph.
Its called planning ahead, you neocons maybe want to try that sometime. - stevebee, on 12/26/2008, -0/+2KingMorpheus -
Why do I hate America? What a stupid comment. Is that supposed to mean anything at all?
Oh, and I see from your profile that the "hate-America" phrase is one of your favorites. Seems you've used it three times in the past two hours.
Maybe you're a bot and just send out random, stupid comments including the phrase "hate America". -
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