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- Neo189, on 10/12/2007, -32/+192When I first saw the title, I was like "WTF?", but the more I think about it, the more I'm beginning to agree with Boortz on this. Our nation is truly ***** if we don't improve the education system, and we've already begun to see the effects of this, just think about how many idiots there are on Digg alone.
- AJH16, on 10/12/2007, -15/+76@hbweb500
The problem isn't the concept of teachers having a union to promote fair labor practices. The problem is when that union starts to hold the education of our youth hostage with unrealistic demands like not allowing teachers who don't measure up or care to be fired. The result is that a large percentage (probably higher than 50% in my experience) of teachers just don't give a crap about their job. They are their to collect a pay check, know that they can't be fired, in some cases even for gross neglegance, and therefore don't have any work ethic or care if they are screwing an entire generation. Any union that cares at all about their profession would kick people like this out in a heart beat, but instead most teachers unions seem to embrace and protect this scum. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -22/+77"If teaching was so lucrative, why do we have a nationwide teacher shortage?"
Because the NEA and teachers' unions have locked down the certification process for teachers so tight that you could have great natural teaching skills, or even teaching experience (say...instructor in the military) coupled with long term real world experience....and they STILL won't let you be a teacher until you go through their 4+ year college certification course, which requires you to regurgitate their point of view, teaching methods and talking points.
THAT is why there is a shortage of good teachers. - alpinweiss88, on 10/12/2007, -13/+64@nebrfan
My wife used to be a teacher. She never worked less than 50 hours a week. 8-4? huh? Try 7:00 - 4:30, and that was just the time spent in the school. Not to mention that you never get any time to yourself, and you can't ever go out to lunch. (small things, but you don't notice them until you don't have them) There was also all of the work she had to put in for preparation of classes, grading assignments, the weekend and after-school activities. The field trips. Preparing for parent-teacher conferences, which lasted 3 days. Having parents call our house in the evenings and weekends. Summer programs, which have to be planned out and run - so no 9 month work-year there. There were also required continued education conferences that usually took up an entire weekend. And she has 2 Masters degrees.
She was teaching at a private school, so maybe it is different in the public school system. But teaching is certainly NOT an easy job, especially if you are good at it. Maybe some teachers sit back and do the minimum it takes, but there are certainly good teachers out there who work a hell of a lot harder at a much harder job than most people have. I find it amazing that people don't blink when some CEO gets paid millions of dollars, and a hard-working teacher who is educating our children gets railed on for making a somewhat decent wage. - appleann1, on 10/12/2007, -13/+58Boortz is a Libertarian.
- eboskie1, on 10/12/2007, -22/+67The teacher union is a disgrace and should be evaluated again. I say if a teacher sucks at his/her job they should be fired, well as it is now it is very hard to fire a teacher that is no good at teaching. I read an article about how the union fought to keep some teacher on after he did some stuff with a kid that he wasn't suppose to, took 6 freekin years to get the guy fired because the union backed him up. Screw the union.
- DigiRaven, on 10/12/2007, -20/+64He has a point. The teacher unions are a abomination to the students. Hence education SUCKS in the US until college. No need to disagree with him on every subject since he is conservative. That's ignorant.
Watch the special from 20/20 on stupid america. Good points which I happen to agree with 100% - nebrfan, on 10/12/2007, -38/+82In re: to the comments above about teachers salary, According to the American Federation of Teachers, the avg. salary for *9 MONTHS* of work is $46,597 - which, when extrapolated to the 12 months that everyone else has to work is the equivalent of over *$62,000* - not bad for a 4 year degree and 8-4 workdays and guaranteed holidays.
- killinger777, on 10/12/2007, -13/+54Neal Boortz is a smart guy and he doesn't tow any party line. He also said later in the interview that he supports legalizing drugs and prostitution.
- johnnyappleseed, on 10/12/2007, -24/+60No offense, but I don't know too many teachers that work 8 to 4. I know some that work 7AM to 7PM Monday through Friday. Some even longer hours. And that doesn't count the work that they take home on the weekends. There are many jobs where you can leave your work at work and teaching is not one of them. And yes, they are salaried employees, but when they're doing as much work if not more than "typical corporate employees" they are in no way well paid.
Citizens are very uneducated as to what Teachers actually do and how much work and effort goes into their job. Everyone hears about the horrible teachers and unfortunately uses those examples as a frame of reference. Unless you have a close friend, relative, or loved one who is a teacher, most people think "8-4 Monday through Friday and summers off. That's easy!"
Teacher's Unions keep the bad teachers in school as much as lawyers get idiot fired corporate employees big settlement pay offs (Maybe an exaggeration, but you get the point). In most office setting it's difficult to outright fire an employee. HR has to build a case, document the employees every move and mistake, and this is a process that does not happen overnight. - WhiteRaven, on 10/12/2007, -15/+49Just to clarify Boortz's position. Al Qaeda is a visible, immediate threat while the teacher's unions are a subtle, long term effect.
Taken from the point of view that the education system has an enormous influence on the course of a nation thru it's ability to indoctrinate youth, this is a reasonable observation. *If* you oppose collectivism and "progressive" causes, then yes, the teachers unions are just as big a threat as the drive to instill Sharia law in the west. Worse, people won't even notice it happening. At least people actually realize they don't want Islamic extremists to have their way. The socialistic values many desire to teach our children appears more friendly. Unfortunately it is every bit as contrary to liberty as radical Islam is.
Socialism does to property rights and general self determination what Islamic law does to rights associated with individual moral choices (which is of course also self determination). Socialism is the more insidious of the two: it has a friendly face. - whalefarmerjohn, on 10/12/2007, -27/+61@Nerbfan
That's the average salary. That includes people who have doctorates and people who have been working as teachers for decades as well as the entry level workers. If teaching was so lucrative, why do we have a nationwide teacher shortage? - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+29Parents who are overly concerned with their kids' grades are far outnumbered by parents who just don't give a ***** about their kids' education.
My brother-in-law is a 3rd grade teacher in a inner city school. He tried to get one kid some extra help reading. The 3rd grader could barely get through the alphabet, yet knew all sorts of 4 letter words. So my brother-in-law put in extra time helping this kid learn to read, and the kid's parents COMPLAINED, and called my brother-in-law RACIST for daring to say that their kid couldn't read, and he was almost fired (He didn't have tenure yet, and the school would rather fire than protect at that point.) - jmoo, on 10/12/2007, -4/+29I'm going with what johnnyappleseed and alpinweiss88 posted, my wife certainly works longer than 8-4. She routinely brings work home and will spend hours on grading and creating her course work. Yes she has summers off, but for the last three years she taught summer school. And she does not make anywhere near 46,000, so much for the median.
The one area that she would agree with is that under the unions, teachers have way too much protection once they reach tenure. Once they have 5 or so years in a school system they are nearly impossible to get rid of unless they do something really wrong. Its not that they have to be child molesters, they just have to be lazy or incompetent to cause plenty of damage. - jcounterman, on 10/12/2007, -18/+42OK, so I've seen both ends of the spectrum when it comes to teachers unions. In Ohio, where, I used to live, they almost shut down my high school to go on strike. Why? Because a teacher fresh out of school made $21,000 per year, and a teacher who had been there for 30+ years made $33,000. The district (and at the root, the tax system) wasn't willing to fund the teachers, and you CANNOT blame the teachers in that instance for demanding fair pay.
Now, in Houston, I haven't heard any issues with unions. They are more of a legal protection in case something unfair happens to a teacher (I wont go down the rat hole of defining "unfair"). They do not seem to be pushy, demanding, or threatening to strike at the drop of a hat. Why? Because a starting teacher makes $40,000. Once they get equal wages, they don't want to fight.
I'm usually not pro-union, because many unions have simply become irresponsible and have hurt the economy (i.e. UAW). Teachers' unions, however, seem to stop with the demands once they are earning a decent living and have fair work practices.
just my 2 cents. - okeemike, on 10/12/2007, -1/+24@kickthedonkey
WHAT?!?! You want parents to be responsible? Don't bring reason and accountability into this argument. :-p - remove, on 10/12/2007, -12/+33Reminds me of that time when Bush's Secretary of Education called the the largest teachers' union in America a "terrorist organization."
- baalzebub, on 10/12/2007, -19/+39i agree with Neal Boortz on this issue, i think the school system should be completely privatized, those with children to educate should be able to choose the school they want...
- hbweb500, on 10/12/2007, -47/+66@SnipeHack
That may be the case in the rarest of cases. I know of several local instances where teachers have been fired instantaneously when found to be having relationships with students.
The truth is, teachers are employees too, just like police officers and firefighters. People assume that people in these occupations are devoted completely to helping others, and, for that reason, they don't need special compensation. I think the wages in these areas should be higher than they are, and thats what teachers unions were created for. - fasda, on 10/12/2007, -19/+37You know what I am sick and tired of people thinking that just being in the union will keep you from being fired. My mother went back to work as a high school teacher and taught chemistry in a rich township. Over the course of the school year she had to fail several of her students because they were morons and couldn't write a lab report to save their lives and did worse then my younger sister who was 2 years younger then the students on a basic skills test. At the end of the year parents clamored for her to be fired for failing their kids and got their way. the union's power pails in comparison to parents will if they want someone fired they do not last long.
- unibomber999, on 10/12/2007, -21/+39There was a time and place for unions in this country. Now unions only serve to protect the incompetent and take money from the pockets of all teachers who are members.
Privatization and market pressure would do more to increase teachers wages then unions could ever hope to accomplish. The only downside to the teachers in privitazation is that there would be clearly defined measurements for success. The upside is that if you are a motivated and successful individual, you could make far more than in the socialized, seniority based system. - kublerross, on 10/12/2007, -6/+22umm do any of you actually know any teachers in your immediate family and have to hear the bs they deal with?
so many are leaving and the impending shortage is shocking, surely to be filled by ever less qualified people
why not end the power of the PTA? these litigious morons will sue you if little bobby doesnt get the grade THEY feel he deserves
theyll sue you if you blink at their child wrong, at the least get you fired
school boards bend to parents and the PTA as if they were god in fear of lawsuits
the teachers union is the only thing protecting these people - technogenius, on 10/12/2007, -5/+21While I think unions in general are a bad thing, the No Child Left Behind act is the major culprit. Teachers have no choice of what they teach. My fiancee is a fourth grade teacher in MD. From talking to her, teachers don't teach for kids to learn, they teach for kids to take tests.
The teachers spend more time on collecting data and submitting it then they do planning fun lessons that will get the kids interested in learning. There's also some crazy racial quota's when it comes to special education. (this is from my fiancee's mother) For instance: a school in NY had a child that was an Asian Pacific Islander who had down syndrome, when they submitted that to the state--the state sent them a letter saying they were over their quota on special ed Asian Pacific Islanders. The state said they could only have 0.6 Asian Pacific Islanders in their special education program.
While no child left behind benefits the poorest of the poor schools, it leaves the rest of the schools just out of hope - WhiteRaven, on 10/12/2007, -13/+29More education, less social engineering.
- Flooded, on 10/12/2007, -6/+21@nebrfan and any others in agreement with Boortz
As the son of two teachers and a husband of another, I guarantee that educators are not compensated enough for what they do. They don't work 8am-3pm... try 7am to 5pm. And that doesn't include time spent at home grading papers and putting lesson plans together. It isn't just a September to May job either. Try late July to late June, which equate to about 3 weeks paid vacation. There is no overtime and very limited sick leave.
Regarding incompetency and training...In my state, teachers are required to get 10 credit hours (read college credits) each year for re-certification. They are responsible for paying for those courses and do not get reimbursed. Any teacher that is unable to get those credits doesn't get re-certified. It takes a new teacher three years to get tenure - if they can't prove that they are effective in the classroom in that time, they are let go.
Teaching is a difficult job. Not only do teachers have to attempt to educate their students, they also have a hand in RAISING the child... There are many parents that do not take an active enough role in raising their children and this must be dealt with at school, usually in the form of discipline problems and bad behavior. It's funny how parents are never responsible for the problems their kids get into at school, rather it is 'the system'.
As the cliche goes, walk a mile in their shoes before you decide they are over compensated and ruining a generation of children. As with any industry or field, there are going to be some bad apples - those are the ones that will make it on the nightly news. The ones you don't hear about are the ones that inspire kids to become astronauts or concert pianists. - killinger777, on 10/12/2007, -14/+29Currently private schools operate far more efficiently than public schools with less money most of the time. Privatization would mean competition, which means better product at lower costs. Crappy schools would *need* to improve or they would go out of business.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -4/+17Boortz is a Libertarian by his own word, but he's gradually kicked himself into more of a NeoLibertarian corner with his tenacious support of the Iraq conflict and his embracing of the Right's (and Left's) idea of military interventionism and expansionism and "democracy spreading."
- DrDigg, on 10/12/2007, -2/+15My wife has taught at private school and public school (and made more money in private school) and my mother has been a teacher and principal in private school for the last 28yrs. The real reason that private school education can sometimes be better is because of parent involvement. Now I know there are some bad teachers, but it is time for people to take a good look at parent involvement in schools and their kids lives.
BTW if you look at public schools in affluent areas they frequently are just as good if not better than private schools. - shadus, on 10/12/2007, -5/+17> In re: to the comments above about teachers salary, According to the American Federation of Teachers,
> the avg. salary for *9 MONTHS* of work is $46,597 - which, when extrapolated to the 12 months that
> everyone else has to work is the equivalent of over *$62,000* - not bad for a 4 year degree and 8-4
> workdays and guaranteed holidays.
That's a complete ***** number where I live, our starting wage for teachers is 23k (I'm living with one.) and she won't be over 30k until she's worked for close to 10 years. That might be the starting pay for a teacher in downtown LA... but in most of the country there is no chance of making close to that. - WhiteRaven, on 10/12/2007, -18/+29No, it's no irrelevant, you just refuse to consider the meaning of what he is saying. The systematic indoctrination of the young being carried out in the nations public schools is creating a country of helpless, mindless sheep. Boortz is talking less about the terrorist methods employed by Islamists then he is about their ultimate goal: the supremacy of the Muslim religion and it's Sharia law in the world.
The teachers unions are *more* dangerous than this in one sense and merely as dangerous in another. The loss of freedom that Sharia law represents and the brainwashing of our youth in government schools is more or less equally repugnant. The teachers unions are *more* dangerous because the progressivism they preach has a much friendlier face. It is insidious while Islamic fundamentalism is overtly threatening.
jbstrikesagain, the fact that you do not understand what is being lost to the social engineering that takes place in our education system is evidence of just how dangerous it is. Islamic terrorism and it's ultimate goal of a world wide caliphate is like throwing a frog into boiling water... it knows what;s happening and will jump out. According to an old wives tale that I won't vouch for but I will use as a metaphor, if you place a frog in cool water and then bring it to a boil, it won't realize what is happening and will let itself cook. That is the threat teachers unions represent.
I recall the virulent protests that took place in France when it was proposed that companies be allowed to fire employees under 25 (if I remember the particulars right). This kind of irrational sense of entitlement is just one aspect of the progressivism that our children are being indoctrinated with. Of course, in America, companies actually can fire people... so these poor children enter the real world totally unprepared for having real demands placed on them.
Of course, there's a good chance that you think the progressivist indoctrination of students is a good thing. - Zera, on 10/12/2007, -6/+17> Boortz is a Libertarian.
Alot of Libertarians would debate that. He does call himself Libertarian, but Boortz is all over the place. Some of the things he says are so ridiculous, so opposite of Libertarian views that I wonder if he is actually just attempting to undermine the world's view of Libertarians through his actions.
Edit: E.G. 'smartalecvt' things Libertarians are synonymous with fascism. LOL Misinformation about Libertarians is everywhere. Sad. - killinger777, on 10/12/2007, -6/+17Starting salaries by state:
http://www.aft.org/salary/2003/download/2003Table2.pdf
A few years old. How did this turn into an argument about pay? I am not saying teachers should be payed less or more here. But consider that private school teachers typically get paid less than public school teachers, yet the education recieved is typically far better. - unibomber999, on 10/12/2007, -9/+20Ninja,
You are completely correct about the Democratic party. There is nothing that minorities should fight harder against than the notion that they deserve a slightly larger portion of table scraps. The systemic racism today is nothing compared to what it was 30 years ago and there are plenty of opportunities for educated people of all races. The inner-city school systems are what is really failing them and the fight needs to be taken up at the city and state levels. - TherealObadiah, on 10/12/2007, -8/+19"This unionization and lifetime employment of K-12 teachers is off-the-charts crazy."
-Steve Jobs
February 16, 2007 - Dhalsim007, on 10/12/2007, -9/+19If you live in Pennsylvania, and have your local districts "held hostage" every other month by local teachers' strikes, because they don't want to pay one cent towards their medical coverage (like the rest of us do) and they don't want to have their performance reviews affecting their employment, you have to wonder who the unions really support ... the kids or themselves? That's the "terror" that Boortz is taking about.
I'm sick of having my taxes raised each and every year to the maximum allowable (without causing a riot) because the local district is afraid to cut anything, because the union may strike. I'm sick of it. - SwissCamel, on 10/12/2007, -8/+18It depends what he means by dangerous but by any definition of the word, technically he is right. Al Qaeda has little influence in anything in the west, and can have little detrimental impact on any aspect of Western life.
Al Qaeda isn't THAT dangerous at all statistically. I am much more likely to be killed or injured walking up and down the stairs, driving in my car, climbing a ladder etc. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+11There's more than just left and right. http://politicalcompass.org/
Libertarians are down on that scale. Sure there are libertarians that are fiscally to the right, but tend to be socially to the left. Unions are an against the interests of the right side of the fiscal scale, but that doesn't make Libertarians "Right Wingers" - DrDigg, on 10/12/2007, -9/+19My wife makes $30,000 with 9 years of teaching experience. She works 50+ hours a week. She buys clothes for her students who have holes in their shoes, and yes she is a union member.
Hey Boortz to paraphrase "The American President"
You want a character debate? You better stick with me, 'cause my wife is way out of your league. - KicktheDonkey, on 10/12/2007, -11/+20Right. And religious, right-wing groups that want to ban teaching evolution aren't doing ANYTHING to hurt our education system, right? There's plenty of blame to throw around. However, I'd start with the parents, then work my way to the teachers.
A teacher can't make a kid study and do their homework. Only the parents can do that. But some of time, the parents will just run to the principal and complain that the teacher did not do a good enough job. EVERYBODY needs to be accountable. - afpunk, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9The public school system sucks, yes. I don't see why the fingers are being pointed at the teachers though, unless you're completely ignorant as to how public schools work. Do you have any idea what kind of crap is forced on teachers by administrators, school boards, and the federal and state governments? Teachers aren't allowed to design a curriculum. They're not allowed to use old teaching methods that worked in favor of experimental methods whose creators pay money to the district to try them out. In grade school, they are only allowed to teach for standardized tests, which are complete ***** and focus on math and reading/english, so grade school kids don't even have science and social studies classes anymore. Not to mention in public school, most of the parents are frankly worthless in caring about their childrens future. My mother, who is a public school teacher nearing retirement age and has seen everything go downhill in her tenure, had, out of 25 students, ZERO parents show up recently for parent-teacher conferences.
You wonder why private schools do a better job of teaching kids? Those are the reasons. Blaming unions is just an exercise in ignorance. - killinger777, on 10/12/2007, -13/+21If a school goes out of business because all the kids leave and go to a better school? Who cares what happens to the school. They will be replaced by a school with a better business plan. And I don't buy the argument about poor kids not getting a fair shake. Our taxes would still be paying for the poor kids education, but our money would be put to much better use if the poor kid could take that money to a good school that is held accountable for their performance.
- okeemike, on 10/12/2007, -6/+14No, Boortz is a Libertarian.
Look it up: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/libertarian - okeemike, on 10/12/2007, -8/+16@KlayBorg
It's spelled r-i-d-i-c-u-l-o-u-s
Sheesh... - izmophonik, on 10/12/2007, -2/+10My wife works 7:00 - 5:00 with a 15 minute lunch. Also, during her lunch she has kids running around and screaming in her 1st grade class the whole time because her lunch is at a different time than her first grade class. She's in her 7th year now and makes $32,000 a year. She loves to teach none-the-less. For all of you ***** who think that teachers only work 9 months out of the year you try to work 9-10 hours a day with hardly a lunch and no free time to sit on digg and spout nonsense out of your arse. Then when you get home, you can't watch T.V., you can't go to the park with your kids, you can't go out with your friends because why? You have to grade papers for an hour or so...that's 11+ hours a day. If you sit down and think about this longer than the 10 seconds it takes you to write some ***** complaint about how we shouldn't feel sorry for teachers pay you will see that a teacher can easily put in more hours than an 8-5 guy in 12 months. Here's my formula:
Teacher @ 11 hours per day for 9 months = 1980 hours (figuring 20 work days in any month) 11x20x9=1,980 hours.
White Collar worker @ 8 hours per day for 12 months = 1920 hours (figuring 20 work days in any month) 8x20x12=1,920 hours.
So, ***** all of you with your 9 month argument. By the way I HATE THE NEA! THEY ARE PURE EVIL. Digg Me DOWN! - veersite, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8I am a Mathematics teacher football coach. I don't apologize for being either. I stopped being a paying member of the local teacher union because you have to join the NEA as well. I have no problem with local teachers unions. They stop many more unlawful terminations than they do upholding sorry bastards that have no business in a classroom. I don't like the NEA because I have very little in common with some of the things they endorse. The NEA is also in the hip pocket of the Democratic party and thus the largest voting block they have in the US. I cannot believe this is completely in the best interest of the students. This, unfortunately, sets _all_ teachers in the sights of the Republican party, which would like nothing better than to break up the biggest voting block the Dems rely on. No child left behind and other unfunded mandates, school vouchers, etc. are subtle attempts to do just that. If the NEA truly was fighting for the best interests of the kids, it would leverage itself squarely between both parties and get the best "deal" for it's constituents - which should be the KIDS.
The dude that posted that teachers salaries weren't that bad for 10 months isn't too far off the mark. Teacher's pay is not too bad if the cost of living isn't that high. However, I always have to laugh at "experts" that try to explain how more funding isn't going to raise test scores (I remember when developing well-rounded and educated young citizens was the goal - not "higher scores"... sigh) Anyway, having a low teacher-to-student ratio ALWAYS improves test scores in every study done - regardless of the inevitable hidden agendas of those conducting the study. So you may not necessarily pay teachers more, but you will have to have more of 'em. And if money doesn't matter, then why do all the rich folks send their kids to private schools that rival small colleges in facilities and material? Any inner city public school ought to do in that case. :-)
The number one detriment to education today, in my opinion, is lack of discipline in school. Johnny Jerkwad can eat up valuable resources for months and even years before finally being given the boot... where he of course lands all comfy with a nice government check to "ease the pain." There are no real and immediate negative consequences for bad behavior and bad conduct. I spent way too much time on classroom management and not enough on true problem-solving, analysis, and other high-level thinking. My teachers used a simple and cost-effective method to nip my adolescent acting-out in a big hurry - Principal Adam's and his paddle. He only had to "light me on fire" once for me to decide that I could act right or at least do a pretty good job of faking it. No paperwork, no fuss, no muss.
Thank God at least athletics haven't been slowly eroded by the "I'm okay - You're okay" mindset. Every behavior is NOT okay... and there should be consequences for failing. You have to have high expectations and insist that they be met. Kids want to be pushed and kids want to be straightened out then they get into trouble. We fail them when we are too easy on them.
When "no Child Left Behind" is replaced with "No Child Better Get Behind," then you will see progress in education in this country. Until then, we're just re-selling the same old tired bill of goods over and over and over every 10 years or so.
Nuff said. - CBTF, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9A lot of people don't seem to know what they're talking about. Education isn't a one sided thing, you can't say teachers don't deserve X amount of pay because kids aren't getting any smarter. There are huge influences like home life as well to take into consideration.
nebrfan, you make a lot of assumptions. Teaching isn't an 8-4 job. It's not uncommon for teachers to be getting to work at 7:30 or earlier. Many stay late after school to mark work, prepare lessons or help out with after school activities. There are also report cards to write. As someone who's worked as a TA, I can tell you that teachers do a lot of marking at home as well (high school teachers can get up to 90 essays to read and mark). The "two months off in the summer" isn't exactly true- teachers go in earlier to set up their classrooms, etc. There are also courses that many teachers take in the summer to boost their certification. You also have to go out of your way to speak with parents or prepare educational plans for those with special needs.
I live in Canada, so i'm not sure about the states, but it isn't just a "4 year degree" thing either. Here, teachers are required to attend teacher's college for 2 years after earning their degree.
Besides, teaching HS in the states takes some balls from what i've heard. The kids aren't exactly friendly, depending on where you are. - growler1, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8"You know what they say, growler.
Those that can't do, teach. Glad you aren't doing."
--Those of us with enough smarts do both, cookie. - subgeniusd, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9@evil-doer:the vast majority of libertarians are right wing, wtf planet are you from?
You are locked in that binary black/white mental box. One side labels us pot smoking republicans and the other side labels us gun packing democrats. Both sides are wrong. - LesterKing, on 10/12/2007, -12/+19@Whiteraven
Nice rant.
How is all of that diatribe the fault of a teacher's union? And how the Hell does this have anything to do with Sharia law? Are you really trying to imply that the Teacher's unions are actively indoctrinating the youth of America and trying to make them into "mindless sheep?" Come on, man, you've completely left the realm of credibility here. I know teachers, my mother and sister are teachers, I date a teacher, the idea that they and their union is trying to turn the youth of America into "mindless sheep" is nonsensical. Every teacher I've ever had anything to do with didn't want anything but the best for their students. Why don't you just calm down and analyze you and Neil Boortz' ideas rationally. It might help keep you from embarassing yourself with diatribes of this calibre.
The fact is that until teachers begin to be paid a good salary we will always have ***** education. Hell, I would have been a teacher if I could support a family doing it. But you can't. - londubh, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9Neal Boortz is a boorish clod. I saw him at an event along with Sean "Ass Clown Supreme" Hannity, Oliver North, and Clark Howard. Howard was the only decent one of the bunch. North was eerily charismatic. Hannity was the only one worse than Boortz. Boortz also said that women shouldn't have the vote. I went because I was given tickets and was unable to give them away and I didn't want to hurt my friends feelings. It was interesting. I think we should form a union called No Ass Clowns our poster child will be Sean Hannity and Neal Boortz can be one of the mascots.
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