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- Airspeeder, on 10/12/2007, -9/+77Funny how little publicity this is getting in the media.
- DeusMachinae, on 10/12/2007, -17/+58More proof that our government is a lot more evil than most people realize...
- stevius, on 10/12/2007, -6/+43treason also requires that you be a citizen of the country you are supposedly committing an act against... these two were not citizens of the u.s.a.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -9/+46Maybe I would give it some credibility if it was from a reputable news source.
"Brad the blogger" doesnt really strike me a "reputable", maybe I'm just being silly... - Urusai, on 10/12/2007, -6/+42Not surprising, American media wouldn't cover the news if our lives depended on it. Which it does.
- Paroparo, on 10/12/2007, -14/+48I wouldn't be entirely suprised. It's not like killing people is something new to the American intelligence agencies.
- ZenFu, on 10/12/2007, -6/+38Anyone seen the movie "Enemy of the State"? Just a thought.
Dugg. - rolosworld, on 10/12/2007, -4/+35http://italy.indymedia.org/news/2006/08/1135263.php
http://www.whycostas.com/
more sources, seems real. - mrASSMAN, on 10/12/2007, -16/+47He's a conservative Bush leg humper.
- Hollywood, on 10/12/2007, -3/+34From Bob the Builder
- lagartoflojo, on 10/12/2007, -3/+33Here is a "reliable source" on the story:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4838552.stm - dmuth, on 10/12/2007, -12/+40Fascinating. Thanks!
- zzleeper, on 10/12/2007, -3/+25Before questioning, do your own research:
BBC:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4838552.stm
Greek Newspaper:
http://www.ekathimerini.com/4dcgi/_w_articles_politics_100016_19/08/2006_73302
AlterNet:
http://www.alternet.org/story/40485/
Other site (Look at URL):
http://www.whycostas.com/costas.html - happyfappy, on 10/12/2007, -2/+23The linked to article is terrible; this is another source:
http://news.ncmonline.com/news/view_article.html?article_id=d54bf5a301e73cbba0663d69a33d80c0 - masamunecyrus, on 10/12/2007, -13/+32While this may be evil, technically, exposing classified information is supposed to qualify for treason.
That said, treason requires a trial and a humane way of death, if found guilty, and the media would have been involved. It's very likely that whoever killed these people played some mind games and beat 'em around a bit -- NOT humane.
So... I'll take this opportunity to say.... Go Libertarians! 2008! - mikev, on 10/12/2007, -1/+16The phones of the government in Greece have been tapped since the Olympics. Unfortunately our government is lazy and let people walk over them: they don't care much about it.
:( - cyborg, on 10/12/2007, -14/+29What? I guess you didn't read the article, or you confused "lame" with "amazing", explain yourself.
- shift99, on 10/12/2007, -3/+17http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4838552.stm
- theone3, on 10/12/2007, -4/+16I'd better not comment on this.. >_>
edit: Crap. - dtschwe, on 10/12/2007, -3/+15Why can only "credible news" come from the mainstream media which are controlled by a handful of large corporations? I'm by no means stating that this is credible. It seems to be mostly speculation about the deaths. I just don't see the mainstream media as that credible either.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+14Technically "our" in that context means him and some arbitrary group (in this case, the rest of America), not necessarily you.
- mrASSMAN, on 10/12/2007, -1/+12It's 'The BRAD BLOG'..
which sounds much more authoritive and reputable. - happyfappy, on 10/12/2007, -2/+13http://news.ncmonline.com/news/view_article.html?article_id=d54bf5a301e73cbba0663d69a33d80c0
- sgtpinky, on 10/12/2007, -10/+21I like how you write 'our' like everyone on here is American. I'm not.
- WackyT, on 10/12/2007, -1/+12It was Matt Damon! I saw over the net his passport was in both Italy and Greece at those times. Jason Bourne lives!
- TruthElixirX, on 10/12/2007, -3/+13Its all very interesting, but can someone tell me how credible the sites he links to are
The only one I have heard of is the observer, and I'm not sure how reliable they are. The rest I've never heard of (not counting the phone company sites).
I don't doubt that the wire tapping happened, but as fr as these two turning up dead I'm jsut curious how legit this story is.
Pardon me if they are reliable and I just sound extremely dumb. - mongrel, on 10/12/2007, -3/+13You're next, poster.
- jmchez, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10Stop discussing this people! You want to be next? :-O
Heheheheh! - ll0ll0ll0, on 10/12/2007, -10/+19the media is state controlled propaganda anyway. i'll believe a blog over the news ppl anyday.
- dtschwe, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9Don't you think that if someone has a very good reason to believe that something the government is doing--especially on a mass scale--is illegal they have an obligation to bring it to the attention of "we the people" or should the government be able to do anything it likes as long as they classify it?
- Thater, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8Our country was founded on screwing innocent people, so it's been going on a lot longer than that. Also, I have no trouble pronouncing "Italy" or "Greece". Your argument is full of holes!
- TruthElixirX, on 10/12/2007, -3/+10And just how does Brad the Blogger get his information then?
- jerr0328, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7If the blogosphere was as prominent on 9/11 as it is today, I believe that a lot of the "facts" reported on the blogs (quotes around facts because fact has to be proven, and some of the stuff we're told hasn't been proven fully in either direction) would have been refuted, even though some might have been true to even today, even if the media was wrong (and they have been and always will be wrong at some times).
Moral of the story is: take everything with a grain of salt. Attaching to everything you see is as silly as believing a square is a circle because a 3 year old said so. - vexvector, on 10/12/2007, -4/+10The sky is falling!
- Koosebane, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6From the BBC article:
"But there is another theory about Costas Tsalikidis: that he was allegedly the person who actually inserted the software setting up the phone-tapping operation."
"It is possible," says Themis Sofos. "I cannot exclude anything."
"The theory is put forward by John Brady Kiesling a former American diplomat who worked at the US embassy in Athens until resigning in 2003 over the US-led invasion of Iraq."
"He is convinced American intelligence agents were behind the whole bugging operation and he says it is possible they used Mr Tsalikidis to install the software."
Theories. Possibilities. Allegations. Suspicions. Disgruntled employees.
It appears I've discovered the reason for the media's reluctance to place any blame in any of these cases.
This is nothing more than gossip at this point. - Crossmenjeff, on 10/12/2007, -4/+10the fact the deaths are over a year apart doesn't really strike me as "planned" as much as it does "looking for coincidences". I'm sure there are hundreds of people who learned of the "conspiracy" and spread the word just as we would, should they be afraid?
- WackyT, on 10/12/2007, -4/+9And special reports from the front from Thomas the Tank Engine.
- Thater, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7I think it's a mistake to discredit the story by virtue of it being blogged on a poorly designed website alone. Though I would say that one of the men's involvement in having a couple of major Italian crime lords sent to prison casts another dimension to the story though. Also, the lack of details regarding Costas Tsalikidis' death is unsettling. I think it's just a matter of the blogger drawing outrageous conclusions from purely circumstantial evidence. It's easy to say "They blew the whistle on a conspiracy, now they're dead" and not actually point the finger, but make the implication clear.
i think it's an interesting story, and one that I'd never heard before, but I don't think it really makes a case that our (The US) government was somehow responsible for their deaths. - barakatx2, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7"While this may be evil, technically, exposing classified information is supposed to qualify for treason."
Weren't the guys that died from Italy and Greece? - collintheweak, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6'Are dumb': Oh! The irony.
I'd call government a force that historically does less good than bad. - LowFuel, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4I think it's Bran the Builder.
- nazsco, on 10/12/2007, -3/+7having worked for the press. all you need to do to block this kind of news, is to give away free cell phones. yep, they're that cheap
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5Sweet color scheme. I gotta get me the hex codes!
- nreynolds, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4I think it makes it TOO easy to read....
- chase001, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6Probably because we have no media. The news has been canceled. We now have infotainment with Branjelina, Jon Benet and the Bird Flu.
- FlyboyP, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5More about this from John Brady Kiesling's (former State diplomat to Greece) homepage here:
http://www.bradykiesling.com/vodafone_scandal.htm - wibblewibble, on 10/12/2007, -3/+6Do you still believe everything the US government feeds you wholesale?
- rwinograd, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5Thanks for someone pointing out the BBC story about the death of the guy. i would have liked someone to point out something with a little more oomph than this guy has died and he worked at the company.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5These guys might have actually commited suicide, as an indirect result of the NSA. It's common practice in the intelligence agencies to blackmail people into not talking. If they had something juicy enough on these guys, they might have killed themselves to escape the possible embarassment.
- djchester, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Interesting theories. Have anyone found any comments directly from Ericsson or Vodaphone?
"to unlock and use the eavesdropping package, the company must pay Ericsson a hefty fee (allegedly four million euros). The Greek government allegedly refused to pay this fee, despite its desire for wiretapping capability during the 2004 Athens Summer Olympics. One reason was that a clear legal basis for such eavesdropping was not yet in place."
If this is true Sony's root-kit on music cd's is going to be very small in comparison. -
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