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NORAD Confirms Mock Drills Took Place

usatoday.com — North American Aerospace Defense (NORAD) confirmed that mock shootdowns of the Twin Towers and the Pentagon took place in the two years preceding 911 attacks. Fact or Fiction?

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  • ciaran036, on 05/30/2008, -28/+97This is exactly like 7/7. Months before 7/7, a program which aired on the BBC, showed a plan for a mock terrorist act happening with practically the exact same scenario as what happened. This cannot possibly be a co-incidence. On the day, a security company, hired by the government performed a mock terrorist attack, using almost exactly the same places and same times. That cannot possibly be a co-incidence - and this is JUST like 9/11. People didn't know what was a drill and what wasn't!
    I can provide proof of this if anyone asks! (don't have the time right now!)
    • sgiffy, on 05/30/2008, -23/+11I'm going to have to say prove it. And from non-TFH sources.
      • ciaran036, on 05/30/2008, -10/+10I have more links but here's a start:
        http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=nY2NXPl625A

        This is part 1 of part 7 - the other parts are found on Youtube too.
        I'll post back later if I can get the BBC Radio interview with one of the guys who was running the mock terrorist attack on the day...
        • sgiffy, on 05/30/2008, -10/+8I said non-TFH, also do you have text sources. From what I could gather from the video the basic premise is that they did an exercises involving bombings of cars and subways and that means that the government did it. Would not those simply be the obvious choices regardless? Given that they would be the easier to do.

          He also seems to read way way to much in to things like the government wanting organized coverage, you now, to prevent misinformation and a panic.

          Heres an alternate theory. The government does various exercises on what they consider the most likely terrorist attacks. It turns out they are right and terrorists attack in a similar way. People then jump on the exercises closest and say the government did it.

          It would be like my insurance company considering the fact that I had earthquake insurance as proof that I was committing fraud when in fact an earthquake happened when in fact I have such insurance because I am aware of the risk of earthquakes.
        • ciaran036, on 05/30/2008, -5/+9The obvious choices? No. Considering 9/11, it would be far more likely for terrorists to hit the parliament buildings or Canary wharf. It's a little too perfect they could have hit any city in Britain - Birmingham has tonnes of skyscrapers which would be good targets for 'terrorists'...
          What's non-TFH? I'll see what I can get later on for text sources.

          But how can the government be right again? There were exercises on the same day as 9/11 which followed the same sort of theme - in fact in this article NORAD have admitted that one of the imagined scenarios was a plane crashing into the World Trade Center! That's just madness!

          It's much too perfect and you only have to look back through history for more evidence! Look up the Omagh bombings in N.Ireland - the IRA and Republican political parties were crammed with MI5 double-agents working undercover and the 'Provisional IRA' claimed a few years after the Omagh bombing (after the identity of these agents had been identified) that two MI5 agents were largely responsible for the bombings. One of them admitted who he was and who he worked for, and said he is a bombs technical expert. He was questioned about a separate incident where he created a mortar device for IRA members who used it to murder police officers. Anyhow, this MI5 agent claims he told MI5 about the planned bombings - MI5 refused to act on this knowledge and inform the authorities - MI5 let the Omagh bombing go ahead. Furthermore, one of the agents placed a tracking device on the car bomb that was used and the RUC police service confirmed that the FBI had used a satellite to track the movements of this car before the bomb went off. The police ombudsman of N.Ireland claimed that the FBI knew about it too. She also said that the RUC police service's response was deliberately delayed after real IRA members sent phone warnings to local television channels, and criticised the actions of the RUC who blocked off the wrong street after the warning and sent the public down the street in the direction of the car bomb. She wrote this report, but the Police association, made up of high ranking and senior police officers attempted to block this report from reaching the press.

          And then there's Denis Donaldson, another MI5 spy who infiltrated the IRA and the predominant Catholic political party (Sinn Fein) - he had been manipulating the game for years without anyone realising - he was murdered in Co.Donegal in 2006 - a number of years after he was found out - he fled to a tiny cottage in the middle of nowhere. It is not known who he was murdered by.

          And of course these MI5 agents were never charged with anything - including those involved in the Omagh bombings.

          And of course there's RUC - UDA collusion - the police service of Northern Ireland colluding with loyalist terrorist organisations to murder predominant Catholics like Pat Finucane, and the police taking seized weapons and handing them back out to terrorists to murder Catholics. And how the RUC police service gave "special assistance" to loyalist terrorist Michael Stone to carry out the Milltown massacre, where he opened fire and threw grenades at the funeral of an IRA man.

          Or Bloody Sunday, where 14 Catholic civil rights protesters where murdered, and 16 more were hurt by British paratroopers who opened fire on the unarmed crowd. The British state have never ever apologised for this incident and no-one has yet to be charged - despite the fact that British soldiers have owned up to it and said that they were misled that day into believing that there would be some sort of battle - even though it was just unarmed civil rights protesters marching for equality.

          And the IRA was part-funded by US businessmen. That's where they got their weapons.
      • CrazedLeper, on 05/30/2008, -3/+11With respect to 9/11 there is sufficient circumstantial evidence to convict for fraud, treason, conspiracy to commit murder, conspiracy to conceal, aiding and abetting, accessories after the fact, and on and on and that's before considering the physical evidence.
        • drexl, on 05/30/2008, -5/+2To convict whom?
        • CrazedLeper, on 05/30/2008, -1/+6@drexl

          Let me put it this way: If I were on the jury, I would convict Bushes 41 *and* 43 (41 was the mastermind), the heads of the FBI, CIA, Rudy Guiliani, Larry Sliverstein, Marvin Bush, the heads of FEMA and the NIST and any number of media executives for covering it up.
        • ciaran036, on 05/31/2008, -1/+2"To convict whom?" Whoever was behind it, whether it was the President, the Illuminati, whatever.
        • drexl, on 06/01/2008, -0/+1So I get dugg down for asking a legitimate question?

          Thanks for the clarification though:)
    • lpmiller, on 05/30/2008, -9/+19You know what else isn't a co-incidence? Coincidence.
    • DisposableRob, on 05/30/2008, -12/+16" showed a plan for a mock terrorist act happening with practically the exact same scenario as what happened. This cannot possibly be a co-incidence."

      And how many times have mock terrorist atttacks happened that have not actually occurred? I've lost count how many fire, explosion, plane crash, nuclear, biological, chemical, etc excercises I've been involved in personally. Thousands of these are performed DoD-wide every year. Just because a couple come true doesn't prove anything.
      • GliTCH82, on 05/30/2008, -4/+6I agree. However, if one of the mock drills involved exactly what happened on the day that it happened, then that would prove some people in the ranks of our government either knew about the attacks beforehand or assisted in their execution. I believe that if there's evidence to support that these drills on the morning of 9/11 simulated what actually happened on 9/11, we need a new investigation into this matter.

        I would also like to see an investigation regarding WTC building 7, and how a small fire that affected only 1 or 2 stories managed to collapse the entire building demolition-style. I believe a few engineers and architects, as well as physicists with valid credentials have expressed that the official explanation for what happened to WTC 7 is implausible.
        • SpacePoet, on 05/30/2008, -2/+3Well, from what i read and i think it is on Wiki, was that there was 3 simulated war games going on the morning of 9-11, and none were identical to what was happening. I believe only one was an actual live hijacking drill somewhere on the east coast and that FAA was dealing with false blips and confusion over real or drill scenario. I would look it up but I don't have time, but to say they were identical is misleading.
          Know because I got in a fight with a freeper about this issue IRL and thoroughly did some research on it but most of the sights that have the info are conspiracy sights, so I had to dig deep. He called me a liar when i told him.
        • SpacePoet, on 05/30/2008, -0/+3Here, I looked it up, it is on Wiki-

          Planned military exercises

          The military exercises (war games) planned for September 11, 2001 included:

          * Global Guardian, an annual command-level exercise organized by United States Strategic Command in cooperation with Space Command and NORAD. Primary purpose is to test and validate nuclear command and control and execution procedures. Global Guardian is performed in conjunction with NORAD's Vigilant Guardian and Amalgam Warrior, as well as exercises sponsored by Air Combat Command (Crown Vigilance) and Space Command (Apollo Guardian).[3][4]

          * Vigilant Guardian, the semiannual NORAD exercise that had been running in conjunction with Global Guardian for several days and which postulated a bomber attack from the former Soviet Union. Vigilant Guardian is a Command Post Exercise (CPX), meaning it is conducted in offices and with computers, but without actual planes in the air. The exercise involves all NORAD command levels.[5] Out of a range of scenarios being run on September 11, 2001, one was a "traditional" simulated hijacking.[6] According to General Eberhart, after the first attack, "it took about 30 seconds" to make the adjustment to the real-world situation.[7] Because of an increased number of staff, the exercise would prove to be an enabler of rapid military response for NORAD and its NEADS component, as senior officials who were manning NORAD command centers throughout the U.S. were available to make rapid decisions.[8]

          There is also one other, disputed account of a planned exercise:

          * Vigilant Warrior, in his book Against All Enemies, Richard Clarke claims there was a NORAD exercise ongoing called Vigilant Warrior.[9] The claim is based on a comment that Richard Myers made to Clarke via a video link on September 11, 2001. However, there is no other record of a NORAD exercise named Vigiliant Warrior. Myers was possibly referring to Vigilant Guardian (the aforementioned yearly NORAD exercise held in conjunction with Global Guardian) or Amalgam Warrior (a large-scale, live-fly, CINCNORAD sponsored exercice which is held twice annually).[10] Vigilant Warrior was also a 1994 operation by the US army in the Persian Gulf region, in response to Iraqi troop movements towards Kuwait.[11]
        • ciaran036, on 05/30/2008, -1/+2And this article claims that one of the imagined scenarios involved the World Trade Centre! Is that true and does it fit in with these three scenarios?
    • ClosedCaption, on 05/30/2008, -2/+16@ Disposable

      This wasnt simply a mock attack that happened to occur. Norad practiced responding to a plane crashing into the Pentagon the SAME DAY as planes were flying into the Pentagon. Coincidence? Maybe..But add to that the fact that they were practicing for Buses and Subways being bombed in England on the exact same day as it occured in England on 7/7. Seems like a pattern..
      • SpacePoet, on 05/30/2008, -0/+3I don't believe that is true, there were 3 war games going on that morning, i did some research on this and the only non-conspiracy site I could find was Wiki, which said this-
        Planned military exercises

        The military exercises (war games) planned for September 11, 2001 included:

        * Global Guardian, an annual command-level exercise organized by United States Strategic Command in cooperation with Space Command and NORAD. Primary purpose is to test and validate nuclear command and control and execution procedures. Global Guardian is performed in conjunction with NORAD's Vigilant Guardian and Amalgam Warrior, as well as exercises sponsored by Air Combat Command (Crown Vigilance) and Space Command (Apollo Guardian).[3][4]

        * Vigilant Guardian, the semiannual NORAD exercise that had been running in conjunction with Global Guardian for several days and which postulated a bomber attack from the former Soviet Union. Vigilant Guardian is a Command Post Exercise (CPX), meaning it is conducted in offices and with computers, but without actual planes in the air. The exercise involves all NORAD command levels.[5] Out of a range of scenarios being run on September 11, 2001, one was a "traditional" simulated hijacking.[6] According to General Eberhart, after the first attack, "it took about 30 seconds" to make the adjustment to the real-world situation.[7] Because of an increased number of staff, the exercise would prove to be an enabler of rapid military response for NORAD and its NEADS component, as senior officials who were manning NORAD command centers throughout the U.S. were available to make rapid decisions.[8]

        There is also one other, disputed account of a planned exercise:

        * Vigilant Warrior, in his book Against All Enemies, Richard Clarke claims there was a NORAD exercise ongoing called Vigilant Warrior.[9] The claim is based on a comment that Richard Myers made to Clarke via a video link on September 11, 2001. However, there is no other record of a NORAD exercise named Vigiliant Warrior. Myers was possibly referring to Vigilant Guardian (the aforementioned yearly NORAD exercise held in conjunction with Global Guardian) or Amalgam Warrior (a large-scale, live-fly, CINCNORAD sponsored exercise which is held twice annually).[10] Vigilant Warrior was also a 1994 operation by the US army in the Persian Gulf region, in response to Iraqi troop movements towards Kuwait.[11]
    • ZenMojo, on 05/30/2008, -5/+4Okay, so it's possible, maybe even plausible. But...uh...shut the ***** up and let me go back to my reality TV.
    • mnky9800n, on 05/31/2008, -1/+1Does no one else know that the World Trade Center's twin towers were designed to withstand a collision with an airplane the size of a 737, whose mass is around 66,000 kg on maximum load at take off. Flight 11 which hit the WTC first was a 767 with a maximum load of approximately 180,000 kg. F=ma guys. Oh and for the conspiracy theorists, Minoru Yamasaki (architect that designed the WTC) was in league with the illegal Bush Administration purposefully designing the twin towers to not be able to withstand that much force so that they could be taken down on Sept. 11.
  • FrankHope, on 05/30/2008, -25/+77It may be that some neo-cons in the government knew that 9/11 was coming and let it happen anyway to further their agenda.
    • Chassit, on 05/30/2008, -6/+35It would fit right in with the rest of their anti American activities.
    • rrouse, on 05/30/2008, -15/+29It had to be an inside-job because the the 9/11 terrorist knew the exact day and time of the Air Forces exercise. This kind of information is not common knowledge. You have to inside the system to know about it. Therefore, it was an inside-job.
    • kilofox, on 05/30/2008, -6/+27Two years before 9/11 would be during Clinton's term... or is he a neo-con too?
      • 55mph, on 05/30/2008, -6/+25Clinton?? Of course he is!

        He simply has more charisma than Bush Cheney and Rove but he's cut from the same cloth. NAFTA ring a bell?
        • RogerStrong, on 05/30/2008, -3/+4The Canada-U.S. free trade agreement was signed by Reagan. NAFTA was an expansion of this agreement that added Mexico. It was signed by Bush I in 1992. Since the agreement had been signed by Bush I under his fast-track prerogative, Clinton did not alter the original agreement. The U.S. House passed it with considerably more Republican than Democrat support.

          All Clinton was really responsible for was a couple add-on agreements that attempted to raise Mexican worker and environmental standards, to try to level the playing field for American workers.
      • nstanosheck, on 05/30/2008, -4/+11neocon, neolib, same coin.
      • nycmac247, on 05/30/2008, -3/+12You don't get it; its not left vs. right. Don't let "them" divide and conquer.
      • GliTCH82, on 05/30/2008, -3/+3I'm pretty sure Hillary is, and Bill's relationship with George H. Bush as of late seems to indicate to former presidents who share a common worldview.

        Either way, I don't think this is relevant. I don't even think that all neocons did anything, for all we know this might be foreign intelligence infiltrating our government at some of the highest ranks.
      • ciaran036, on 05/30/2008, -5/+4Of course. The Clintons are the biggest liars on the planet!

        Bill: "I did not have sexual relations with that woman" He DID!
        Clinton: She said they had to duck sniper fire in Bosnia and run to their cars... which of course from the video footage we've saw is complete rubbish.
        • EricSchC1, on 05/30/2008, -3/+1If those are the two biggest lies politicians have ever told you, then you're far better off than the rest of us, my friend, or far more naive.
        • LadyKofNYC, on 05/30/2008, -5/+6Why not ask why Clinton placed sanctions (an act of WAR) on Iraq that were so brutal that they couldn't even chlorinate their water?

          Why not ask why Clinton would have a blood thirsty psychopath like Madeline Albright as his Secretary of State who said to the world that a half million dead Iraqi children "was worth it"?

          Why not ask why Clinton bombed a half dozen countries and killed hundreds of thousands of innocent people?

          Why, instead of asking real questions that actually matter, would you focus on a blow job?
        • Herkimer56, on 05/30/2008, -6/+5Why not ask Saddam Hussein why he was shooting at our troops on a daily basis despite signing a surrender treaty, why he was funding worldwide terrorism targeted at the US and Israel, why he was murdering hundreds of thousands of his own people or why he was bribing high officials in the UN so he could use the money that was supposed to be used to feed and provide care for those children to buy weapons and try to rebuild his army.

          Oh, wait...

          Some people do get the punishment that they deserve.
        • jcm267, on 05/31/2008, -7/+5So now you're FOR chlorinating water, Mr. K? Why would that be? Given your history here, I can only assume that you think that by chlorinating the water in Iraq its citizens will be easier manipulated and thus easier for terrorist organizations to recruit. You are slime, Mr. K.
        • LadyKofNYC, on 05/31/2008, -6/+6Huh??? That doesn't even make sense Jcm. Are you ***** drunk or ***** retarded?

          My guess is a LOT of both. Idiot.
        • jcm267, on 05/31/2008, -7/+5I'm just trying to follow your logic, "Lady"K. You do believe that fluoride in the drinking water is a bad thing, don't you?
        • LadyKofNYC, on 05/31/2008, -6/+7Chlorine and Florine are two separate elements on the Periodic table. Fluorides are toxic to humans. However calcium fluoride is perfectly safe for humans because it's insoluble. BUT it's the extremely soluble and toxic SODIUM fluoride that is put in our water.

          Sodium Chlorine is table salt.

          K?
      • LadyKofNYC, on 05/30/2008, -4/+9Bill and George are brothers.

        The left v. right paradigm is a cheap vaudeville act. They're ALL neo-CONMEN. The few who aren't con-men are either ignored or pushed out.
    • Skooma714, on 05/30/2008, -4/+3The President isn't the entire government. Several million work for the government in one form or another.

      I've heard of figure as high as half the US works for the gov.

      Just Clinton wouldn't doesn't mean the people under him wouldn't
      • ciaran036, on 05/30/2008, -3/+2Yeah, that's quite important to note. Many people say silly things like "My dad works in the government and he wasn't in on it" and "Oh so you're saying x millions of people knew about 9/11" etc.
        • EricSchC1, on 05/30/2008, -2/+5I don't think anyone's making the claim that our local postal carriers, school board officials and policemen were in on it, just because they work for the government.

          Debating semantics such as these, makes it seem like the side perpetuating such pointless issues is clutching at straws, or creating distraction.
        • Herkimer56, on 05/31/2008, -7/+3No, but the Cult of 9/11 has accused the NYFD, the NYPD, the City of New York, the Port Authority Police, the FBI, the CIA, the entire US military, the DOJ, the EPA, the FAA, every legitimate media outlet in the world, every sane person on Digg, every engineer and scientist in the world that doesn't agree with their idiotic version of the events of 9/11 and, of course, every single member of the Bush administration.

          Now do a quick count and let me know how many people the truthers think were involved in the conspiracy. A million and a half? Two million? I'm pretty sure I missed some people so you might want to guess a little high.
    • wdr1, on 05/31/2008, -0/+22 years before 9/11 would make it the Clinton administration. Please do your homework. Or at least basic math.
  • yellowcakewalk, on 05/30/2008, -11/+40NORAD, carved out of Cheyenne Mountain in Colorado Springs, on the front range of the Rockies. I had a tour of the facility back in the mid 1990's with a group of colleagues. Everything built to take a nuclear blast, all the rooms were big metal boxes on huge shock-absorbing springs, big metal boxes sitting in huge caves carved from living rock. We were shown whatever we were meant to see.
    • quesi, on 05/30/2008, -5/+26It must be how Rummy dreamt up this load of malarkey:
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FGhGHxw0mSo
      • Bagos1, on 05/30/2008, -2/+8Good catch/
        • ShaoKahn, on 05/30/2008, -0/+5haha yeah I was laughing my ass off at the time I saw that on TV. I could not believe people would his fairy tale serious.. One of the Rockefeller's even joked about the fact that people would go looking for bunkers in Afghanistan that did not exist! Rumsfeld probably found it as amusing as he did.
      • wdr1, on 05/31/2008, -1/+1Rummy wasn't part of the administration two years before 9/11. Do your homework, please. Or at least basic math.
    • ErikHarrison, on 05/30/2008, -0/+10Crazy thing is that they had talked about holing out a mountain in NV to store nuclear waste. They stated that it would only take a year to complete. A YEAR TO HOLLOW OUT AN ENTIRE MOUNTAIN.

      Once when I lived in Denver, I was walking from a campsite back to town after a huge fight with a friend of mine. It was about 2 AM right by Titan road, named after the Titan missle. Apparently that place was closed down. Not true, as I was walking by, I heard a very loud noise and shortly after the ground shook like that of a minor quake. Keep in mind I was on a road about 500 yds away from the foothills, and about 1 mile from Titan road. A lady came out of her trailer and yelled "What the hell was that?" To which I replied " I dunno a bomb?" Her trailer was about the only thing I had seen for 5 miles. Since that day, my eyes have been wide open. I figure they were testing bombs underground...

      http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&rls=com.microsof ...

    • Skooma714, on 05/30/2008, -2/+7Did you see the Stargate?

      Tau'ri cree chappa'ai?
    • PolishLogic, on 05/30/2008, -3/+6How they ever gave you security clearance is beyond me.
    • BumRush, on 05/31/2008, -0/+2NORAD is an organization, not a place.
  • jerger23, on 05/30/2008, -19/+49Only slightly accurate. The article itself said the Pentagon scenario was scrapped because officials thought it was "too unrealistic".
    In the WTC scenario, the hijacked planes were portrayed as originating in a foreign country with ample warning there was an incoming attack.
    The implication that NORAD practiced this kind of thing all of the time and thus should've had this situation under perfect control is flawed.
    • nycmac247, on 05/30/2008, -4/+14what is so complex about not letting unauthorized planes into controlled airspace?
      • RogerStrong, on 05/30/2008, -2/+2Yelling, "Halt, or I shall yell 'halt' again!" over the radio doesn't always work.
        • nakani, on 05/30/2008, -2/+4Um, they didn't even intercept them for communication, let alone fly by.
        • RogerStrong, on 05/30/2008, -0/+3They tried hailing them. A fly-by takes time that they didn't have.

          Understand that before 9/11, hijacking had a near-nonexistant success rate. Sooner or later the plane had to land, and then the special forces types - who had an excellent success record - would end it.

          So the standard procedure was say "yes, sir" to anything the hijackers wanted, and wait for them to land.
        • Wartyboskfapped, on 05/30/2008, -3/+2Why did planes intercept Payne Stewart's private jet in 15 minutes when it took nearly an hour on 9/11, then, RogerStrong? Seems to contradict your claim that intercept would not be attempted.
        • RogerStrong, on 05/30/2008, -1/+7In Payne Stewart's case, there happenned to be an F-16 test pilot, already in the air, already in the area.

          In the WTC case, fighters were scrambled the same minute (8:46) that the first plane hit the towers,

          The incident was seemingly over. But then at 8:52 the they *start* to get word of the next hijacking. The plane hits at 9:03.

          The scrambled planes are airborne and heading for Manhattan by 9:13.

          The first indication that flight 77 (which had turned its transponder off) was headed back to Washington came at 9:32 to 9:34. It hit the Pentagon at 9:37.

          Sorry, but fighter jets aren't magic. They still take time to travel.
        • WarSaw27, on 05/30/2008, -4/+3Roger will discuss many things that he is ill informed on and anti terror policies in the US and Spec Ops are yet another for this wayward canadian.
        • jerger23, on 06/03/2008, -0/+2I can't speak for his knowledge overall, but his statements are pretty accurate in this case. Is it because you can't refute these facts you resorted to the ad hominem?
    • VitriolAndAngst, on 05/30/2008, -5/+10The important bit is that they ran drills of airplanes attacking the WTC.

      Anyway, I chalk this up as yet another win for the tin-foil-hat conspiracy theorists, who seem to have a better track record than all the "expert shills" than we go to on the media for the "reasonable story."

      Here is the most priceless comment;
      "These exercises tested track detection and identification; scramble and interception; hijack procedures; internal and external agency coordination and operational security and communications security procedures."
      >> I am absolutely sure, that NORAD scrambled gets for intercept in less than 90 minutes. Enemy aircraft are not known for using transponders.

      The other detail that needs to be remembered, is that on 9/11/2001, Dick Cheney himself, was conducting mock exercises of attacks with NORAD and the Air Force at the same time that they were occurring. That was revealed by the heavily redacted NORAD tapes that came out only a few years ago -- everyone was totally confused as to whether the attacks at the WTC were "live" or not.

      >> The point is, NORAD drills for these kinds of things all the time -- and I don't expect they would have any problem, finding a hostile and taking them out. It was only with the many layers of confusion and Cheney's "stand down" order that they were unable to prevent the attacks. A tri-fecta of "bad luck" for a very professional and well trained group.
      • jerger23, on 05/30/2008, -3/+4Ran _a_ drill, once where _one_ of the targets was the WTC (notice I said 'scenario', which is information that came from the article). And it wasn't a drill that followed the actual attack scenario. The aircraft used in the drills were coming from outside the U.S., giving exercise participants more than adequate time to identify the planes as a threat, as commercial aircraft DO use transponders, so your statement of "Enemy aircraft are not known for using transponders" is irrelevant.
        How much do you know about enemy aircraft?
      • ciaran036, on 05/30/2008, -2/+5Tin-foil hats? I have never met anyone in my entire life who has ever worn a tinfoil hat. And I've never seen the idea on TV or movies. I saw it in a children's book about aliens though (when I WAS a child). The idea that we or anyone who seeks the truth wears a tinfoil hat is ludicrous.
        • EricSchC1, on 05/30/2008, -1/+2Saying that people who just ask questions or question answers are conspiracy theorists is the same thing as bullies beating up nerdy kids in school because they're smarter. I've never claimed 9/11 was an inside job, but you should hear the responses I get from non-"truthers" when asking for clarification or further science-based explanations to official government reports and statements. Based on those responses, you'd think I was one of the pilots!?
      • USNavyBlue, on 05/30/2008, -4/+5What the general public doesn't realize is that NORAD was told to stand down the day of the 9/11 attacks days prior, per Vice (Traitor) President Cheney. Ironic I think not!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

        And furthermore the general public is not aware that on the day of the attack on the Pentagon - the powers that be KNEW well before the Pentagon was hit!!!!!!!!

        Dick Cheney himself was radioed by the pilot of the F-15, which was on the tale of the commercial flight over water (Chesapeake Bay - I think) asking, "Sir, do you want me to shoot down the plane, reply, Sir? I have a clear shot, Sir. Sir, are you there, Sir? Reply...............

        The pilot never got an answer.

        Now ask yourself this, if both planes were over water and the F-15 had a clear shot to shoot down the commercial airplane prior to hitting the Pentagon - then why in the hell didn't Dick "traitor" Cheney tell the pilot to shoot it down? But instead received SILENCE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! This was no accident. The truth is stranger than fiction. And don't tell me I have a "tin foil" hat either. If you only KNEW what I no and that’s all I can say.

        Just like the bombing of the USS Liberty - a mistake- PLU EEASE.
        • Conspiracy20, on 05/30/2008, -3/+5Navy, you might be interested in this: Three surviving crewmen of the USS Liberty will join us on June 8 The Political Cesspool Radio Program: http://www.thepoliticalcesspool.org/ Couldn't shout to you.
        • USNavyBlue, on 05/30/2008, -3/+5Thanks for the heads up - I love Political Cesspool Radio

          I have been out of reach for a little while and shut my shouts off, forgot to turn it on - thanks for the reminder!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I'm back:) with a vengeance.
        • Conspiracy20, on 05/30/2008, -3/+3:) welcome back!
        • jerger23, on 06/02/2008, -0/+2Proof?
    • pappaj333, on 05/31/2008, -2/+3That's not the implication here at all.

      The implication is that the Bush Administration lied when it testifed that...

      "'No one could have imagined them taking a plane, slamming it into the Pentagon' -- I'm paraphrasing now -- 'into the World Trade Center, using planes as a missile.'"

      • RogerStrong, on 05/31/2008, -1/+3This I agree with.

        There was a hijacking across the pond - Air France, I think, where the hijackers planned to crash the plane into the Eiffel Tower had they not been stormed by special forces on the ground.

        A few years before 9/11, Tom Clancy had a best seller (Debt of Honor) that ended with a 747 crashing into the US Capitol building during a State of the Union address. A few days after it was released a small plane hit the White House, killing the pilot, destroying the plane, and doing almost no damage whatsoever to the White House.

        So yeah, people imagined it and more.
      • jerger23, on 06/02/2008, -0/+2Lied, doubtful. It's more likely that the source of the quote was unaware of the drill in question, or the Tom Clancy book, which I had read about 2 months prior to 9/11. I still had no idea someone would actually try it.
  • sgiffy, on 05/30/2008, -11/+2See also: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Executive_Decision

  • JohnReb, on 05/30/2008, -5/+54So what is the difference between a "Mock Drill" and a real drill?
    • VitriolAndAngst, on 05/30/2008, -2/+3Turtles?
    • ciaran036, on 05/30/2008, -3/+5Real people and actors. The theory behind the 7/7 attacks is that the bombers were hired by a security group and thought they were part of a mock terrorist attack - that's why they bought return tickets.
    • lazerus9, on 05/30/2008, -2/+6About 3200 innocent people dead!
    • JohnReb, on 05/31/2008, -1/+2And the point that goes flying over ciaran036 and lazerus9's heads is that all drills are, by definition, mock.
      • ciaran036, on 05/31/2008, -2/+2And the point you're missing is that we believe or think or know that these drills pretended to be mocks but were actually the real thing. That's the point we were trying to make, did you not catch on?
      • JohnReb, on 06/01/2008, -1/+2I know the "point" you are trying to make. I also know just how much of a stretch is being made to make it.

        If you know they were anything but regular drills that the US military runs repeatedly each and every day, show your evidence. Not hints, not rumors, not wikipedia, not accusations, hard real court-survivable evidence.
    • Genady, on 05/31/2008, -1/+1A Moc Drill is what Ukla's Dentist uses.
  • Typhoon2009, on 05/30/2008, -32/+21Not this again...
  • kosser, on 05/30/2008, -26/+22911 is proven 100 times over, people who don't believe it work in a world of double think.

    "...To tell deliberate lies while genuinely believing in them, to forget any fact that has become inconvenient, and then, when it becomes necessary again, to draw it back from oblivion for just so long as it is needed, to deny the existence of objective reality and all the while to take account of the reality which one denies — all this is indispensably necessary. Even in using the word doublethink it is necessary to exercise doublethink. For by using the word one admits that one is tampering with reality; by a fresh act of doublethink one erases this knowledge; and so on indefinitely, with the lie always one leap ahead of the truth."
    • ooby, on 05/30/2008, -1/+5It's 91,100!
    • Syphon8, on 05/30/2008, -2/+2People who believe in 9/11 conspiracy theories, you mean.
    • kosser, on 05/30/2008, -3/+7i should have made myself clear....911 was an inside job....if you don't believe that, you can't be helped
    • gsensel, on 05/31/2008, -0/+2Its just like the Kennedy assignation there will always be those people who will never believe what really happened.
  • rationalbeats, on 05/30/2008, -13/+1How does this help the problem George Bush created for our American soldiers in Iraq?
  • wynja, on 05/30/2008, -17/+26Nothing to see hear, get back to work slave.
  • muleking, on 05/30/2008, -31/+72Two years prior to 9/11. This could mean only one thing. Clinton/Gore orchestrated the attack with the assistance of the reverse vampires and SS She-Wolf force. Thats the only logical explanation for 9/11. Jesse Ventura would agree. Maybe i'll make an online documentary with no citation to sources in order to bolster my argument, people tend to go for that sort of thing...
    • Hetman, on 05/30/2008, -4/+6I agree also. I also think it was the crazy left that orchestrated columbine, virgine tech and every other school shoot. Seriously how can some kids sitting in there room just become efficient military killers? It is because they were trianed by the anti-gun advocates to kill. They are just trying to further implement there attack on the second amendment.
    • graemee, on 05/30/2008, -6/+10It was Man-Bear-Pigs. Those half man, half bear and half pig terrorists are real bastards.
      • TriSight, on 05/30/2008, -1/+1Hmmmm I always thought he was half pig, half bear and half man
        • Syphon8, on 05/30/2008, -1/+1No no, he's more like a half man, half bear-pig.
    • beevbo, on 05/30/2008, -3/+10You forgot about Dr. Robotniks involvement, he was teaming up with the Decepticons who need all that oil in Iraq for Energon Cubes!
    • defwheezer, on 05/30/2008, -4/+1It was the NWO Aliens, you silly human Biotches!!!!
    • GliTCH82, on 05/30/2008, -4/+1I don't trust the Ferengi, I bet those thieving, manipulative sons of bitches had everything to do with it.
    • VitriolAndAngst, on 05/30/2008, -0/+7Yes, when you have nothing intelligent to rebut with, it is always a good idea to use the 'Chewbacca Defense.'
    • georgemason01, on 05/30/2008, -2/+4You and the people who responded to you are retarded.

      The article says in the two years prior, numerous drills took place, not only once two years prior.

      The drills also happened on the day of 9/11.

      http://www.boston.com/news/packages/sept11/anniver ...
    • ciaran036, on 05/30/2008, -0/+7No they don't. Zeitgeist: The Movie has a citation page on their website explaining every single source of information. And there's no need for citations when you can show government documents, videos, photos and audio. Citations are not always needed.
    • sevvo, on 05/30/2008, -2/+0Did Nicolas Cage play the role of Fu Manchu?
    • MrTulip, on 06/01/2008, -1/+1finally, a voice of reason
  • Liability, on 05/30/2008, -7/+19HOW SURPRISING!!! I AM VERY SHOCKED AND SURPRISED!!!!
    • Shiftgood, on 05/30/2008, -1/+5I think its shock..... and then its.

      awwww...... as in.... aww crap.
    • cmapes2, on 05/30/2008, -0/+1/sarcasm
  • BrokenVisage, on 05/30/2008, -11/+46C. Rice would still suggest they had NO IDEA terrorists would fly planes into buildings. Give me a break.
  • HPCELarry, on 05/30/2008, -9/+25It seems that a lot of people didn't read the full article. The drills did not occur on the same day of the year. The simulation hijacked planes were coming from overseas with chemical agents. There was a simulation for a plane runnining into the pentagon, but it was scraped as unrealistic.

    There were two simulations involving hijacked us planes, but those were out west and didn't involve running into things. I'm going to say that this was an idea that the gov thought of and decided that it was unrealistic. 9/11 prooved us wrong.

    I'm not entirely sure that the idea that this is proof that neocons knew ahead of time that 9/11 would happen. If they knew it would happen ahead of time, why would they need to run simulations that were generally pretty different than what happened?

    "NORAD commander, told USA TODAY. "Regrettably, the tragic events of 9/11 were never anticipated or exercised.""

    "No exercise matched the specific events of Sept. 11, NORAD said."
    • mike17032, on 05/30/2008, -7/+7Its not that they didnt read it, its that troofers are so off in their own sad little universe that they are simply unable to see anything that goes against their made up world.
    • VitriolAndAngst, on 05/30/2008, -7/+4You are totally forgetting that NORAD and the Air Force were running a drill concerning planes flying into tall buildings on 9/11/2001. Yes, this is about a PREVIOUS drill, to point out that they think about these sorts of things.

      But don't use this new information to bury the drills that were going on that confused NORAD and left only two airplanes defending the entire Northeastern air space.
  • boxlight, on 05/30/2008, -13/+38Of course they practiced these drills. What do you think military people do all day? Sit on their butts and wait to be attacked?

    They practice things all the time. They've probably practiced every scenario you can dream up from being invaded by New Zealand to invasion from outer space.

    Get real people.
    • sodade, on 05/30/2008, -5/+6Based on how our military has been used recently, I'd imagine that a lot more effort has gone into practicing offensive maneuvers. "National Defense" my ass.
    • mike17032, on 05/30/2008, -1/+8I want to be there on Blimp Attack day.
    • georgemason01, on 05/30/2008, -0/+1http://www.boston.com/news/packages/sept11/anniver ...
    • VitriolAndAngst, on 05/30/2008, -5/+5Hey, who is arguing with that? It was the Bush administration that said; "Nobody every expected someone to fly a plane into a building." And the Truthers said; "that is bull -- of course you considered planes flying into buildings." In fact, just before the WTC was built, the Empire State building was struck by a large military plane. They had to design the WTC with the ability to withstand 3 simultaneous large plane hits. No, I'm not making that up.

      NORAD drills for this and of course, can handle these events. Which calls into question all the damn coincidences that took place on 9/11.

      People who drill all the time are professionals, people who sit on their hands and act surprised is the image we were given on 9/12.

      We get two conflicting messages; "We are the professionals and we have everything under control -- our secrecy and not allowing oversight are to protect you." While at every turn when a question comes up; "Hey, everything failed -- it could happen to anyone."

      We are led to believe that the bad guys turning off the transponders made it so hard to scramble jets. Right, and I fell off a turnip truck.
    • diggnitarial, on 05/30/2008, -1/+3Yeah, and after all that practice they had... still they were completely unable to respond with fighter jets. How convenient.
    • rezonq3, on 05/30/2008, -1/+3I have no doubt that they practice things all the time. Unfortunately, I do have doubt to the point and purpose considering their failure rate...
  • ventralnet, on 05/30/2008, -12/+5Haven't you listened to paula on stern... the planes were a cartoon
  • dexter411, on 05/30/2008, -20/+11In the world of paranoid conspiracy theorists, there are no coincidences.
  • sockpuppets, on 05/30/2008, -21/+11Oh gee the truthers made the front page.
    • ender7074, on 05/30/2008, -4/+5Even idiots get their 15 minutes....
    • mike17032, on 05/30/2008, -2/+3Anyone (even slathering brain dead cellar dewelling virgin hopeless lifeless friendless clueless brainless jackoffs) can game a story to the home page by using email and IM.
    • GliTCH82, on 05/30/2008, -2/+2Actually, I'm pretty sure it's a 4 year old USA Today article that made the front page. But if you're willing to associate citizens digging up former 9/11 investigations as being a bunch of conspiracy nuts, then your puppetry knows no bounds.
  • Easty, on 05/30/2008, -3/+26Damn, they were doing such a good cover-up job and they had to go and tell us that.
  • ShaoKahn, on 05/30/2008, -9/+22Where is your +2.3 trillion dollars of tax money now?
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3kpWqdPMjmo

    You just dont care do you?..
    • dexter411, on 05/30/2008, -10/+4What does a wasteful war (and your figure is bunk and you know it) have to do with the government killing 3000 citizens in 2001?
      • ShaoKahn, on 05/30/2008, -4/+10hello point dexter,

        Watch the video and connect the ***** dots. It wont hurt your brains..
  • StreetPreacher, on 05/30/2008, -8/+19"Mock Drills?" Meaning that they just had a pretended to have a drill, as opposed to having a real one?

    And "shootdowns of the Twin Towers and the Pentagon?" Really? You mean they actually practiced how to shoot down huge complex structures that are squarely planted on terra firma?

    Buried for utter lack of writing ability. My sincere apologies if English is your second language. And my pity if it is not.
    • livegreenordie, on 05/30/2008, -1/+2I left it to the readers to decide that is why I said fact or fiction? Where is your church again?
  • TheIguana, on 05/30/2008, -0/+29Is this of any surprise to anyone? The WTC was attacked in 1993 after all, not just 2001.
    • DiggyWiggy, on 05/30/2008, -1/+5Allegations of FBI foreknowledge
      In the course of the trial it was revealed that the FBI had an informant, a former Egyptian army officer named Emad Salem. Salem claims to have informed the FBI of the plot to bomb the towers as early as February 6, 1992. Salem's role as informant allowed the FBI to quickly pinpoint the conspirators out of hundreds of possible suspects.
      Salem, initially believing that this was to be a sting operation, claimed that the FBI's original plan was for Salem to supply the conspirators with a harmless powder instead of actual explosive to build their bomb, but that the FBI chose to use him for other purposes instead.[11] He secretly recorded hundreds of hours of telephone conversations with his FBI handlers.[12]
      In December 1993, James M. Fox, the head of the FBI's New York Office, denied that the FBI had any foreknowledge of the attacks.[citation needed] The 1993 WTC sting operation was depicted as a false flag operation and was a plot device for the 1996 fictional movie The Long Kiss Goodnight with Geena Davis.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1993_World_Trade_Cent ...
  • NesloTterrag, on 05/30/2008, -1/+12Was the WOPR working properly??
    • plizard, on 05/30/2008, -1/+1No, Professor Falken was on the other line so it couldn't call him back.
    • blacktriangle, on 05/30/2008, -0/+6It was working, but somebody was playing chess with it...and that consumed its vast 8kb or memory.
    • sodade, on 05/30/2008, -0/+1Don't you guys get it? The WOPR told the neocons what strategery to play because it calculates that the war machine could run out of oil. It learned this from Nazi Germany's failure.
  • ooby, on 05/30/2008, -3/+21Is it so farfetched to consider a government to be more inept than it is malicious?
    • nakani, on 05/30/2008, -1/+3Well, Scott Mclellan DID just confirm that they knowlingly used a marketing campaign to sell the Iraq invasion to us and stifle critical discussion...
      Still dugg you
    • DiggyWiggy, on 05/30/2008, -2/+5There was a young man who had come in and said to the vice president, 'The plane is 50 miles out. The plane is 30 miles out.' And when it got down to, 'The plane is 10 miles out,' the young man also said to the vice president, 'Do the orders still stand?' And the vice president turned and whipped his neck around and said, 'Of course the orders still stand. Have you heard anything to the contrary?' Well, at the time I didn't know what all that meant. And...
      – Norman Mineta
      • boxlight, on 05/30/2008, -1/+3I don't know what you're hearing in that conversation. But this is what they SAID (full text and youtube link follows):

        Q: [paraphrased] Were you there when the President gave the order that aircraft controlled by terrorists could be shot down?

        A. [paraphrased] No, I was not there. I was made aware of the President's order when a young man came in an said "the plane that is approaching the pentagon is 10 miles out ... do the orders still stand?" and the Vice President said, "of course the orders still stand."

        Truther, please tell me -- what's is wrong with that??

        >>> full text and you tube link >>>

        Q. "We had that order given i think it was by the President that authorized the shooting down of commercial aircraft that were suspected to be controlled by terrorists. Were you there when that order was given?"

        A. "No I was not, I was made aware of it during the time that there was an airplane coming into the pentagon, there was a young man who had come in and said to the vice president, 'The plane is 50 miles out. The plane is 30 miles out.' And when it got down to, 'The plane is 10 miles out,' the young man also said to the vice president, 'Do the orders still stand?' And the vice president turned and whipped his neck around and said, 'Of course the orders still stand. Have you heard anything to the contrary?' Well, at the time I didn't know what all that meant. And ..."

        Q. "The flight you're referring to is the flight that ..."

        A. "... the flight that came into the pentagon ... so i was not aware that that discussion had already taken place ..."

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDfdOwt2v3Y
        • DiggyWiggy, on 06/02/2008, -0/+1That's a counterintuitive argument. Think about what you're suggesting...

          Also, another key bit of info is that Mineta's testimony placed Cheney in the bunker 30 minutes before the officially recorded time, giving him more than enough time to react.
        • boxlight, on 06/04/2008, -0/+1> That's a counterintuitive argument. Think about what you're suggesting...

          I honestly have not idea what you're talking about.

          Truthers typically use this testimony to "prove" that Cheney ordered the plane over Pennsylvania to be shot down, when they're clearly talking about the plane that was approaching the Pentagon.

          Please connect the dots for me -- what are you talking about?

          By the way, check out this "footage" of the plane hitting the Pentagon (since I'm guessing you probably don't think that happened either):

          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVDdjLQkUV8
  • sunshinemonster, on 05/30/2008, -6/+6http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=af ...

    http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=91 ...
  • dafragsta, on 05/30/2008, -6/+8The plot thickens. Oh, but there's no way our government would ever kill civilians. Richard Clarke was furious over the incompetence that held up the prevention of 9/11 and no one on earth knew better than him about possible terror plots against the US. That was the writing on the wall.
    • StreetPreacher, on 05/30/2008, -0/+10Google "Operation Northwoods"
    • nycmac247, on 05/30/2008, -0/+6I am not so sure people at that level of power think in terms of nation states. For example, we use Halliburton / KBR for tons and tons of work in the 2 wars we're fighting right now ... and they are not based in the USA at all.
    • ciaran036, on 05/30/2008, -0/+3They wouldn't? There isn't a government in the world not accused for murdering someone at some time.... so why would the US not?
      • dafragsta, on 05/30/2008, -1/+2... and people said that we don't really need the sarcasm tag anymore. Psshaw.
        • ciaran036, on 05/31/2008, -0/+2I wasn't being sarcastic. Name a government that hasn't been accused for murdering someone at some point? None, obviously. It's not exactly a rare occurrence. Only the trend these days is that they blame it on someone else rather than in your face murder.
  • waitasec, on 05/30/2008, -1/+12The May 27th issue of Newsweek notes that a June 1994 “Pentagon-commissioned report conclude[d] that religious terrorists could hijack commercial airliners and crash them into the Pentagon or the White House.” (Indeed, that same month saw publication of Tom Clancy’s novel Debt of Honor, which concludes with a kamikaze strike on the U.S. Capitol building using a jumbo jet.)
    • defwheezer, on 05/30/2008, -1/+5"Nobody could have foreseen something [crashing planes into the WTC] like this happening..."
      -Condi (another incompetent bushie) Rice
  • 55mph, on 05/30/2008, -11/+18Why won't the neo-con posters here face the music? Why do they insist on defending the treasonous behavior of the cabal currently in office?

    If an American doesn't recognize the possibility that 911 was an inside job, he is either blind, in denial or sporting the agenda of the Traitors within our government.

    I love this country. I always have. And i would defend her borders with my life if attacked. But, seriously, we have been sold out by the globalists the neo-cons here so loyally defend. Why? Is blind loyalty to the criminals inhabiting the White House a testament to their patriotism. Is being a Patriot that simple?

    Scott McClellan writes that Bush admitted to outing Valerie Plame. Regardless of what you think about her or her husband, she was a covert CIA operative. How do you know you're not next? You don't.
    • chanop, on 05/30/2008, -11/+9seeing how he wasnt in power when the drills took place, I call "asshat" at your comment
      • Hetman, on 05/30/2008, -5/+5Thats not true obviously you do not know how consiparcy theorist think. The bushes and the clintons have been controlling our country since before WWII when bushes grandpa tried to take over america. If hillary does not win the elections GWB is going to cause a false flagg attack and size power of the north Amirikan union. "which doesnt exist but that does not matter for conspiracy theorirsts." And for there on out we shall forever no him has Kings George Bush the second. That about sums up the last 50 years of history and the next 50 years of our future in the eyes of troothers..
      • FatherVic, on 05/30/2008, -2/+3beat me to it.
    • xenoblue, on 05/30/2008, -13/+1you liberals and your conspiracy theories and lack of morals
    • ender7074, on 05/30/2008, -7/+3Hows that tinfoil hat fitting ya these days? You may want to loosen the straps a bit to let some more blood flow to the thinking parts of your brain...
      • 55mph, on 05/31/2008, -1/+3Tinfoil hat is the neocons first and last defense.

        If we don't consider the fact that Conspiracy exists, there's no shot at seeing the truth. Just ask the guys at Diebold about conspiracy theories.
    • ShaoKahn, on 05/30/2008, -1/+10People like to ignore reality, its to hard and violent.
    • wdr1, on 05/31/2008, -3/+1Do your homework please. Bush wasn't in office 2 years before 9/11.
  • unclefire, on 05/30/2008, -15/+12Please people! The military does all sorts of drills to deal with potential threats. Given WTC attack in 93 (?), that and tons of other scenarios are always considered. Just b/c you plan for a given threat, doesn't mean we did it.

    Please remove your tin-foil hats. Let's deal with the threats and actions that ARE real -- Well, W can't do too much now since he's a lame duck.
    • RationalXubrnce, on 05/30/2008, -1/+4 But didn't we hear over and over again how this couldn't possibly have been anticipated?

      So which is it, is this a common scenario that was drilled for or was it unthinkable even to the experts?
    • UnstableMind, on 05/30/2008, -1/+4I think the real reason this is a story is, our government said they never thought anything like this would happen, yet there is proof that people (in the right places of government w/access to the Executive Branch) have considered it.
  • sq2shooter, on 05/30/2008, -30/+279/11 truthers are absolute morons.
    • kemp34, on 05/30/2008, -4/+4And that settles it!
    • RationalXubrnce, on 05/30/2008, -2/+6 Some of them are almost as dumb as people who believe the official version in it's entirety.
      • sq2shooter, on 05/30/2008, -2/+2It's called reality, not an official version. I saw it with my own eyes. Oh and the people that did it already admitted their guilt. And lets not forget the people that funded them admitted their guilt as well. But feel free to keep your head buried in the sand and continue to deny reality with your idiotic government conspiracies.
        • RationalXubrnce, on 05/30/2008, -0/+1 How do you know what I think? All I said is I don't believe that everything happened exactly as they said it did. I don't see how you're having watched it on TV makes so sure of everything that went on that day and leading up to it. Besides most of your post isn't true.
        • Lukesed, on 05/31/2008, -1/+1When did sq2shooter mention TV? FYI, lots of people live in New York, and it's easy to see a tall building.
        • Izult, on 05/31/2008, -0/+2it's easier to have blinders than it is to face facts sometimes.
      • Izult, on 05/31/2008, -1/+2Because the government has never lied to it's people. Geeze can't you people see that? /sarcasm.

        History is riddled with false flag attacks and yet people choose to believe that it can't happen here because we're after all "the greatest country in the world". Horse *****.

        Face it 9/11 "truthers" don't have the corner market on crazy.

        Personally i don't know what to make of what happened on 9/11. The official story stinks to high heaven but so do the other versions of what happened. Let’s stick to the facts we know. There are still many questions by the Family Steering Committee that remain unanswered. Questions addressed not only to this administration but to the Clinton administration as well.

        The “investigation” was a joke. They made little to no effort to ensure that there were no conflicts of interest with the people who sat on the commission. Tell me how someone with close ties to the Bush administration is going to be objective. Hell it it wasn't for people demanding it I have serious doubts as to if there would have been an investigation at all as Bush behaved as if he just wanted to let it die so he could get on with his war. If that doesn’t tell you something is wrong you’re ignorant as hell. Willfully or not it doesn’t excuse you from your duty as a citizen to stand up and say WTF and demand real answers.

        Neocons – your proctologist called. He found your heads. Get out of my party you're an embarrassment.

        Connect the dots.. it's not for kids anymore!
    • nakani, on 05/30/2008, -2/+3If only their ad hominem was as polished as yours!
      • RationalXubrnce, on 05/31/2008, -1/+3 Zing! I had to digg you for that one.
    • defwheezer, on 05/30/2008, -1/+4Yeh, We all know that the Truth is often too inconvenient to acknowledge...
    • GliTCH82, on 05/30/2008, -1/+4Sure, but people who accept general mainstream public opinion as fact without looking for fitting explanations when some are warranted would be a bunch of push-overs.
  • Sendss, on 05/30/2008, -1/+13Why do people assume Bush knew anything about it even if it was an inside job?
    • xenoblue, on 05/30/2008, -5/+1or not in office, even
    • PolishLogic, on 05/30/2008, -6/+4Because the troofers said so.
    • GliTCH82, on 05/30/2008, -1/+3Why does it have to be an inside job? Why couldn't the evidence that thermate was used mean that somehow our security was infiltrated and an enemy demolished the towers in addition to attacking them with plane as we witnessed? There are a lot of possibilities, none of which were covered by the 9/11 commission.
  • JohnnyHotballs, on 05/30/2008, -3/+27There were drills DURING the attack.
    • joel3000, on 05/30/2008, -2/+2The likelihood of that is almost 0.

      The terrorist couldn't have planned it better if they tried.
  • DewCrew88, on 05/30/2008, -13/+2sage

    also in before conspiracy fags
  • plizard, on 05/30/2008, -13/+4I had Subway for lunch.
    • ender7074, on 05/30/2008, -2/+1Five dollar foot looooooooooooooooooongs!
      • cmapes2, on 05/30/2008, -1/+1In search for greater profits (bastards) they limited it to only 12 dismal sandwiches. Quiznos is the new subway now with their 5 dollar foot longs.
  • ShaoKahn, on 05/30/2008, -3/+21Osama Bin Laden is NOT wanted for the attacks on 9/11.
    So why immediately point to Afghanistan (and after that Iraq) while the so called hijackers came from an allied country named Saudi Arabia? Yep, you got fooled.

    http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/terrorists/terbinladen.h ...
    • defwheezer, on 05/30/2008, -0/+3You sound like some crazy left wing blogging "truther"
      /sarcasm
  • nojingoist, on 05/30/2008, -1/+5this article is from 2004
  • mfc5200, on 05/30/2008, -1/+13I've seen some of the documentaries of conspiracy theories on this. I'll take them with a grain of salt. All I know is that the second they told me a large unarmed slow moving civilian aircraft slammed into the pentagon, supposedly one of the most secure buildings in America, I called *****. It also didn't help when they went around collecting local surveillance video tapes of the incident and it doesn't help that they still haven't released such footage.
    • PolishLogic, on 05/30/2008, -5/+4Yes because you definitely want to release footage showing all the vantage points of all surveillance on the Petagon. That's not bad for security.
      • mfc5200, on 05/30/2008, -1/+5Sorry if I wasn't clear. It was civilian surveillance of the incident. Surveillance cameras from the gas station across the street, the hotel, etc etc. Releasing that info, doesn't jeopardize anything.
        • PolishLogic, on 05/30/2008, -5/+4Where do you think the explosion footage came from? Considering most outside surveillance footage (of a run of the mill business) is just as choppy as that footage because they take a photo a second, I wouldn't be surprised in the least of the other cameras had jack ***** on them.

          So then what, do you release them showing nothing, and then proceed to fend off the onslaught of attacks about how you "just doctored the footage".

          The problem with 9/11 is that it is and always will be a losing proposition for the government. No matter what they release. For every piece of top secret evidence to come out, you'll have people calling that evidence phony, or requesting something more. It's a lose-lose situation no matter what.
        • mfc5200, on 05/30/2008, -1/+5So they shouldn't release the footage because if they do, people will call them phonies. So its always a losing proposition.

          Is this the infamous polish logic I'm always hearing about?
    • boxlight, on 05/30/2008, -1/+4Here's the top secret footage of the plane hitting the pentagon that you want to see:

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVDdjLQkUV8
  • RationalXubrnce, on 05/30/2008, -1/+10 People forget that when TWA flight 800 went down off the coast of Long Island under what many consider suspicious circumstances there was also military tests being run offshore that weekend.


    http://users.erols.com/igoddard/TWA800/02.htm


    • notgoingalong, on 05/31/2008, -0/+1Yes, good point. Which brings to mind, the demise of Egyptian Air flight taking a load of just trained Egyptian pilots back home after learning to handle he new equipment coming to them for selling out the Palestinians at Camp David during Carter's bloody career as presumptive president under Brzezinski.

      There was Alaskan Air too, the tail "came off" and coincidentally plunged into the deepest spot near a military base. On board was the chief of the indigenous peoples of Alaska, who was opposed to leasing more protected land to the US government and was returning from a meeting in South American among peers when he was conveniently assassinated from my best analysis.

      John Tower, was a US Senator from Texas, he chaired the Senate Armed Service Committee and headed the inquiry to see if Ronald Reagan was to mentally gone to be left as the sitting president. But, he loved to drink, and talked too much. So the airplane in which he was ridding had an inexplicable accident. Do tell!

      Senator Paul Wellstone was another, as was JFK Jr, who was going to run for the senate in NY, which would have killed Hillery in her march to the white house, as well as Bush Jr, in fact. So he was assassinated while flying too. It is a real political liability for sure. Even roll-over Gary Hart had a scare in 84 on board an airplane, and was told to bend over and kiss his ass goodbye!
  • vidgersh, on 05/30/2008, -10/+16For the love of God, will you "9/11 debunkers" open your mind and face the facts. 9/11 was an inside job. Do some research. Please.
  • Mikhail101, on 05/30/2008, -1/+6Okay I dont know if the Illuminati exists or not, I sometimes tend to believe but sometimes i dont. It may not be possible that terrorists were hired or controlled demolitons were used. But one thing for sure is that the US government is lying and knows and knew important stuff we dont know, we havent found osama bin laden yet, the terrorist attacks did not affect America in any way except demoralize people. America gained more from 9/11 than what it lost.
    • defwheezer, on 05/30/2008, -2/+5"America gained more from 9/11 than what it lost"
      - by "America" assume you're referring to the Corporation of America.
  • mike17032, on 05/30/2008, -12/+3Ah I wondered if our Troofer tards were still around, guess so.

    Keep those foil hats on nice and tight boys.
    • Nizza, on 05/30/2008, -2/+5Your ad-hom has convinced me.
    • nycmac247, on 05/30/2008, -1/+6US Gov't admits Gulf of Tonkin was faked -- that's what got us into 'Nam.

      http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5hzFIeNFkO1z6p7 ...

      or is that a "conspiracy theory" also?
    • USNavyBlue, on 05/30/2008, -0/+3mike17032 - you can take your tin foil hat and shove it were the sun don't shine!!!!!!!!!! Where you there on the day of the 9/11 attacks? I was and I know what I SAW! The American Government has been JACKED and we the people are screwed unless we utilize our 2nd Amendment rights and organize before they take them away too in the middle of the night. Our forefathers even WARNED of this type of treason happening.

      "If tyranny and oppression come to this land it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy." Thomas Jefferson - I guess he wore a "tin foil" hat too?

      WAKE UP and get your head out of your tale, literally. However, you will be the one of the first ones taken to the "FEMA Labor Camps." Then maybe you will wake up, but it will be way too late for you buddy.
  • hockeysmurf, on 05/30/2008, -4/+16Drills were taking place on THE DAY of the attacks. This article fails to even mention that. Same thing happenned on 7/7, the government was performing "drills" of the exact scenario that unfolded.

    And now the military industrial complex is setting up martial law in the USA to prevent a revolution and so that the neo-con douchebags behind these attacks won't ever be prosecuted.

    • SaraLiberty, on 08/16/2008, -0/+4"And now the military industrial complex is setting up martial law in the USA to prevent a revolution and so that the neo-con douchebags behind these attacks won't ever be prosecuted."

      Bingo. That's why the fascists in power were so quick to unleash their "Patriot Act" sham upon us literally overnight (they had it finished and ready to go LONG before 9-11..), and overturn the United States Constitution with their "Department of Homeland (in)Security", a Hitlerian farce if there ever was. Goebbels would be proud. The "Patriot Act" was forced into place to crush dissent, prevent us from fighting back and for branding legal dissenters and protesters as "potential terrorists." The "Patriot Act" is the most un-patriotic thing about the U.S. The passing of the 'Patriot Acts' AND the forming of the corporation "Homeland Security" in the wake of 9-11 Does mirror Hitler's exact gestapo tactics with the Reichschtag ... No matter what you "believe", only an imbecile could not see that obvious comparison.

      Then we have the illegal wire-taps, suspension of Habeas Corpus, banning of books like "America Deceived" from Amazon, RFID chips, detaining of dissenters in fences miles away from events, foreign proxy prisons and torture, and multiple wars based on lies, and on and on.

      That is also why Lord W Bush III drafted countless 'Signing Statements' following the 9-11 "surprise" attacks. And presidential directive NSPD51 was established, to give a president complete dictatorial powers. That is why they installed a "RealID act" national ID card scheme into Federal law. That is why they passed the 'Military Commissions Act' which destroys due process. That is why the traitors passed HR 1955 "Homegrown Terrorism Prevention Act" 'thought crimes' draconian farce legislation. Ditto for all of the secret laws this sham administration has covertly legislated since behind our backs.

      The lie they attempt to sell us is they are doing all this to "protect us from evildoers who hate our freedoms" "keep America safe!" When in reality that couldn't be further from the actual Truth.

      Meanwhile, America's borders remain wide open, unsecured. Give us more spy bills & wiretapping laws to monitor American citizens 24/7 and read our emails, give us "Patriot Act III" but leave the borders wide open. This is no "protection." If you don't see what's going on by now - if you really don't get what this FARCE is all about - there's truly no hope for you. At all. Go back to sleep and stop assaulting and name-calling those of us who want the Truth. They are taking your freedoms, rights and country from you and you are letting them. It has been truly instructive watching the largely government controlled MSM go into overdrive labeling anyone who dissents, ask questions or speak out against the government 9-11 whitewash as a "kook!" or "anti-American" and other dumb stereotypes. When it is the treasonous MSM that is anti-American, anti-citizen by supporting, validating and parroting government lies without any hint of skepticism or doubt, much less real investigative reporting. The administration lied about Iraq, why are many so reluctant to believe they lied about 9-11?

      How can the gov't be completely innocent in 9-11 when we have caught it lying so many times in the past throughout history (WACO, Ruby Ridge, no WMDs, USS Liberty, Operation Northwoods, OKC, Gulf of Tonkin, Pearl Harbor, etc.) Did they suddenly come clean on 9-11 and begin telling us the truth of events? Did they suddenly decide to be honest for the first time ever in history, about a major, policy changing event like 9-11? Every explanation offered by the government thus far has been more or less a cover-up.

      No foreign 'religious fanatic' terrorist could have ever accomplished such brutal destruction of Americas freedoms, such rape of our privacy rights, Constitution, civil liberties and evisceration of America's Bill of Rights as this wolf in sheep's clothing- administration has. Bin Laden didn't give us a "Patriot Act", corrupt "Homeland Security" scheme, or force NORAD to stand down on 9-11 either..The real 'freedom hating terrorists" who "hate our freedoms and American way of life" are not AT ALL who they say they are. All this "moos-lim" "radical islamic" "jihadists are coming!" ((insert govt-sanctioned 'flavor of the month' enemy here)) bull ***** is to divert your attention and energy elsewhere. A distraction from the real perpe-traitors. Absolute power is what they wanted, and they got it.

      Read the United States of America's Constitution, learn U.S. history. Read the Declaration of Independence and our Bill of Rights. It will all become clear why the war criminal PNAC fascist America hi-jackers in power so despise these documents and work feverishly to slowly dismantle and destroy them.

      "You will hear that to question authority is to aid terrorism. You will hear that to dissent is to signal weakness in the national resolve. Do not believe these stories. They are beneath contempt." - E.L. Doctorow

      "The death of democracy is not likely to be an assassination from ambush. It will be a slow extinction from apathy, indifference, and undernourishment." - Robert M. Hutchins
  • JohnnyHotballs, on 05/30/2008, -1/+17http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoods
  • JohnnyHotballs, on 05/30/2008, -3/+10Operation Northwoods, which had the written approval of the Chairman and every member of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, called for innocent people to be shot on American streets; for boats carrying refugees fleeing Cuba to be sunk on the high seas; for a wave of violent terrorism to be launched in Washington, D.C., Miami, and elsewhere. People would be framed for bombings they did not commit; planes would be hijacked. Using phony evidence, all of it would be blamed on Castro, thus giving Lemnitzer and his cabal the excuse, as well as the public and international backing, they needed to launch their war.
    • Hetman, on 05/30/2008, -1/+1You mean they wanted to actually cause WWIII. And would have started a nuclear war that would have destroyed everyone on the planet? Who was that supposed to benifit?
      • JohnnyHotballs, on 05/30/2008, -0/+4Eugenicists who want to see a 90% reduction in the human population and who happen to be in control of the governments of the world. Research the term "eugenics" for more information.
      • nycmac247, on 05/30/2008, -0/+4you don't get it; they do not think like you.
        Better to kill us all than the commies take over and steal our gold and women
    • DiggyWiggy, on 05/30/2008, -5/+3Oh please, Operation Northwoods is as outdated as the Constitution! Can't you see, it's not that they were willing to kill civilians, they were just inept. Oh, and also, even if they were willing to kill innocent civilians for their own gain, that has nothing to do with 9/11. Oh, and it was probably a liberal who called for Operation Northwoods. Oh, and you must be a tinfoil nut.

      Boo-yah!
  • Kikokun, on 05/30/2008, -2/+9undust the nooses....
  • agdros, on 05/30/2008, -12/+52004 called.. they want their conspiracy news reports back.
  • abran1984, on 05/30/2008, -5/+11So, if this was done two years before 9/11 should we indict Bill Clinton and Al Gore? I'm confused by what actions we should take in response to this... *rolls eyes*
    • ciaran036, on 05/30/2008, -4/+3These men are puppets, just like George Bush. Do you really think he was responsible for 9/11? Hardly. He genuinely think he's doing the right thing by going to war and he genuinely thinks 9/11 was as the official story said it was. He is as much of a sheep as the rest of us.
    • SaraLiberty, on 08/16/2008, -1/+4Saying 9-11 was pre-planned government complicit 'inside job', does not equate to saying "Bush did it" or "it was all Clinton's fault!" or that such a monumental crime is reduced to a mind-numbing 'Democan vs. Republicrat" "liberal vs. conservative!" "my candidate vs yours" issue.

      Bush, Clinton, et al. are mere puppets on strings who serve much greater masters than "we the people." That's a joke. They run nothing. The left right paradigm is fake. A false paradigm, 'divide and conquer' mechanism to keep us separated, fighting amongst ourselves, while they take over to rule the serfs. Brilliant strategy. They tag team us and they run nothing. They work for a global syndicate of mobsters that are ruthless, powerful, and have one world government as their crowning goal. Republican, Democrat, make ZERO difference any more. They're 2 wings of the same bird. Only the names of their crooked candidates are different. They all sell us out and sell our country out just the same.

      GWB has little to do with the neocon apparatus attacking America. He is a fall guy, a face- a voice- a presence to dangle before the idiot consumers of the 9-11 complicit treasonist print and television media. His shoe tying prowess is poor I'm sure, but it has nothing to do with the domestic fascist assault on America by the "evil terrorists who 'hate our freedoms."..
  • freedomwv, on 05/30/2008, -2/+3It seems that the Bush White House is not aware of a lot of things. The Neo-Con Bush White House puts their fact gathering focus in the wrong direction. Instead of looking inward for information and be well informed about the going ons of the government they look outward at the American people and consider us all terrorist. They do a very poor job of getting detailed reports from the D.O.D.　
    • JMScheib, on 05/31/2008, -2/+1The word "neo-con" used by a Ron Paul supporter is almost as cliche as Rush Limbaugh using the word "liberal" loosely in completely inappropriate situations.
  • captdolbil7, on 05/30/2008, -6/+0who the ***** even cares any more it was seven years ago let it go. Besides we deserved it for violating their holy ground since the early 1990's and desecrating the only thing they cared about. Typical Americans making all Americans look like jackasses.
  • wolfofwar, on 05/30/2008, -4/+3The Reptilians did it.
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