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- CoolHandLuke70, on 04/05/2009, -6/+74Our CIA and politicians are pretending to fight the War on Drugs while actually supporting the influx of drugs into the U.S. to line their back accounts and pay for their black ops?! WOW!! --------- Folks, this has been going on for a long time and if you have been duped into believing the scam that is known as the War on Drugs you will love and be even more impressed with the War on Terror(cue your inner dialogue that tries to convince you that the War on Terror has gotta be real after-- all you saw the World Trade Towers go down) Wake up folks!!
- CommonSense2k8, on 04/05/2009, -0/+54And the sky is blue... http://notcia.com/blog/down-the-rabbit-hole/the-ci ...
- Frankyfan3, on 04/06/2009, -0/+40We could stand to learn some lessons from Portugal's experiment in decriminalization:
http://cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=10080
Decriminalization was driven NOT by the perception that drug abuse was an insignificant problem, but rather by the consensus view that it was a highly significant problem, that criminalization was exacerbating the problem, and that only decriminalization could enable an effective government response. [...]
Since Portugal enacted its decriminalization scheme in 2001, drug usage in many categories has actually decreased when measured in absolute terms, whereas usage in other categories has increased only slightly or mildly. None of the parade of horrors that decriminalization opponents in Portugal predicted, and that decriminalization opponents around the world typically invoke, has come to pass. In many cases, precisely the opposite has happened. - emmettgolf, on 04/05/2009, -0/+24You can't sell anything down there unless many people get paid. However, our trade agreements have put many of their farms out of business and driven their people north and into crime.
- iancgi, on 04/05/2009, -0/+23The white rabbit points this way ------>http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-823163481 ...
- highlymodified, on 04/06/2009, -0/+22I'm sorry, but that doesn't add up.
The reason the violence is so bad right now is because the Mexican president declared a hard-line approach to dealing with drug smugglers/traffickers. There's now a war between the cartels and the government in places like Juarez (which has a higher body count than Bhagdad.)
The Mexican government has too much corruption and too few resources to deal with the drugs in their country, but that doesn't mean that everyone is profiteering from them. - faskippy, on 04/06/2009, -6/+27Well, didn't our CIA get caught selling coke in LA some years back, in order to make money for some pet project? I don't doubt that some politicians have their hand in the till. That doesn't negate the fact that THEY are the ones making the *****, that THEY are the ones that are just as or even more corrupt, THEY are the ones whose military are selling the guns we gave them to fight the ***** to the cartels. We all sit here and talk revolution regarding our own circumstances. It seems to me that the Mexican people need to have a friggin revolution of their own. Oh, and by the way, don't they have border guards on their side of the fence too? What's the damn deal here, Harry?
- tgc1, on 04/06/2009, -1/+22The War on Drugs is a multi-billion dollar business in the U.S. As are the Wars on everything else.
Problem is, of course, that you as a tax payer, get nothing in return. - Hetman, on 04/06/2009, -3/+23End the war on drugs and solve this problem once and for all. That really is the best solution.
- bugsmasher03, on 04/05/2009, -7/+26when you point a finger at a country...many times there are 4 pointing back at yourself...
- FearisFailure, on 04/06/2009, -2/+20And in breaking news the world is round.
- JesusSaidSo, on 04/06/2009, -0/+18http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CIA_drug_trafficking
- sheeplescareme, on 04/05/2009, -0/+15the cocaine importing agency has nothing to do with this - they are not criminals in action!
- Metavised, on 04/06/2009, -3/+16If only humanities problems stopped and started at national borders!
- seanstuart, on 04/06/2009, -0/+12He kind of says that:
"There is traffic in Mexico because there is corruption in Mexico. And that is true. But with the same argument, if there is traffic in United States, it is because there is some corruption in United States." - SpykerSpeed, on 04/06/2009, -0/+11Exactly! Making something illegal doesn't make it vanish or go away. People need to remember that.
- CrazedLeper, on 04/06/2009, -0/+11Actually, the thumb and forefinger tend to point in the same direction. I fail to see what that has to do with the fact that the US has been running drugs to support the economy for decades now. Did you really think they were trying to stop drugs and failing? The very effort has been a lie from the beginning--just like the other phony war they are not really fighting, the "war on terror". Seriously, they found Sadaam Hussein in a hole in the ground in less than 1 year. He was a billionaire and pretty much owned Iraq. How is it that they can't find OBL in a cave in 8 years? Simple, no one is looking or ever was.
- crazy0, on 04/06/2009, -7/+16as true as that might be, the true enablers and destabilizers are but a border away...........the western hemisphere has had such promise until you know.....
- aletoledo, on 04/06/2009, -1/+10The US or mexico? How about both?
- inactive, on 04/05/2009, -10/+19Cosign this 100%
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Our CIA and politicians are pretending to fight the War on Drugs while actually supporting the influx of drugs into the U.S. to line their back accounts and pay for their black ops?! WOW!! --------- Folks, this has been going on for a long time and if you have been duped into believing the scam that is known as the War on Drugs you will love and be even more impressed with the War on Terror(cue your inner dialogue that tries to convince you that the War on Terror has gotta be real after-- all you saw the World Trade Towers go down) Wake up folks!! - inactive, on 04/06/2009, -3/+12I am not at all surprised. That also explains the very real resistance against legalizing Marijuana.
- jorune100, on 04/06/2009, -1/+10An alternate study on this has been done: http://www.idpc.info/php-bin/documents/BFDPP_BP_14 ...
The report highlights the Portuguese efforts to reduce demand for drug usage. This is not a free for all but an effort to reduce consumption.
Users are directed by the criminal justice system to attend health clinics where their usage is analysed and sought to be brought under control.
To quote from the conclusion:
"The statistical indicators suggest that since the decriminalization in July 2001, the following developments have occurred:
Increased use of cannabis.•
Decreased use of heroin.•
Increased uptake of treatment.•
Reduction in drug related deaths.•
Decriminalization has enabled earlier intervention and more targeted and therapeutic responses to drug users, increased collaboration across a network of services and the increased attention to adopting policies that work. This is perceived to be reducing the level of current and future drug use and harm. Yet, key informants also highlighted that impacts were less than expected and that there were concerns over the message that decriminalization was sending to new drug users."
There may be a link between and skunk and psychosis - http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/7485385.stm. What either report did not mention is how much skunk is being consumed in Portugal. - mikeinto, on 04/06/2009, -0/+8 "start thinking about alternative strategies"
I wonder if they're talking about legalizing drugs? That's a digg first!
maybe instead of playing patty cake with drug lords in South America and Mexico we actually use military and economic leverage to destroy their crops with paraquat, assassinate or arrest the drug leaders and patrol the border like we're actually at war.
oh ***** it! Just legalize the *****. - Metavised, on 04/06/2009, -2/+10The best way to regulate a drug is make it legal. You bring the market into a controllable field which can be closely scrutinized by government authorities.
In our current system, we chase after this market but only end up catching the casual user. The casual user then feels all the wrath of government system bull rushing a problem thats out of their scope of control. - moduc, on 04/06/2009, -0/+8"it is long-past time to start thinking about alternative strategies for fighting both the harmful effects of drug addiction and the deadly effects of forcing an economy outside of the law."
Or just find those officials. - freeridstylee, on 04/06/2009, -1/+9Until that happens, if anyone's ever on a jury, acquit any non violent drug offender.
- mksmothers, on 04/06/2009, -2/+9legalize it..solved
- sprNmgcHlmt, on 04/06/2009, -0/+7i'm sure that's true. i'm also sure mexico is complicit. hell, they're ALL complicit.
- aletoledo, on 04/06/2009, -2/+9Let's see...is NAFTA their problem? It would seem that the US caused most of the hardship in Mexico when they flooded Mexico with subsidized agricultural produce, leading to massive unemployment. Then of course in return, the US reneged on it's NAFTA requirements (i.e. allowing truckers into the US), but by now the damage was already done.
- khyberkitsune, on 04/06/2009, -0/+7"when you point a finger at a country...many times there are 4 pointing back at yourself..."
If you paid attention, the Mexican President pointed four fingers first at himself and then one at the USA, figuratively. - Metavised, on 04/06/2009, -0/+7The link as posted is 404.
I appreciate the effort though, and have read both studies.
I must expand on the link between "skunk" and psychosis. Of the studies that I have read that LINKED (not proven) cannabis to psychosis none have been able to say anything conclusively. There is a lot of argument against the idea that it causes anything. Most scientists believe does not cause psychosis, but it brought symptoms out in children who were genetically predisposed to psychosis.
And what are these symptoms?
"People experiencing psychosis may report hallucinations or delusional beliefs, and may exhibit personality changes and disorganized thinking. This may be accompanied by unusual or bizarre behavior, as well as difficulty with social interaction and impairment in carrying out the activities of daily living."
Sounds like a cannabis trip, right? Of course it does, and the studies done to show these links work primarily off a three-year time span with questionnaires given to the participants. If you were a participant and were asked "Did you suffer any of these symptoms [listed above] during those years of smoking cannabis?", you would expect some juicy results. - avalenci, on 04/06/2009, -0/+6The basic problem for Mexico is that the drugs problem is a US sized problem that Mexico is trying to fight with a Mexico sized budget and a Mexico sized police. ( This simple argument can explain you a lot of things- not everything )
- richmomz, on 04/06/2009, -5/+11People who are pointing a finger back at Mexico are certainly correct, but there ARE significant problems on this side of the border as well. Controlling movement across our borders (as we should have been doing decades ago) would certainly be a solution.
But instead of embracing this obvious solution some in Washington are using the chaos to advance their own political agendas, as we saw with the anti-gun lobby calling for new weapons bans in the U.S. based on bogus information about seizures of legally purchased U.S. weapons in Mexico.
It's time to end this ***** - we need to stop the flow of U.S. drug money into Mexico by controlling our borders and throw anyone who is profiting from the trade in a Federal 'pound 'em in the ass' prison for life. Do that, and I promise that within a year Mexico's drug problems (and ours) will evaporate like a fart in the wind. - normlsparky, on 04/07/2009, -0/+6While I totally agree that some politicians are in on the smuggling of drugs into this country, the video repeats the lie that 90% of the guns used by the cartels come from the US. This has been disproved multiple times.
90% of the guns SENT TO THE US TO BE TRACED come up as having originated in the US. Most guns confiscated from the cartels are not sent here, as they are obviously not of US origin. Fully automatic AK-47s, RPGs and hand grenades are not available in the US, so they are not sent here for verification of origin.
The real number is closer to 17% of all weapons confiscated from the cartels, a far cry from the 90% figure the media is claiming. Of that number, many of the weapons of US origin are the result of legal arms sales to Mexico's law enforcement or army that have found their way to the cartels through corruption or desertion of Mexican soldiers. - Feenix566, on 04/06/2009, -4/+10They should clean up their country. The first step in the right direction would be legalizing drugs. The violence would end, and they could start rebuilding.
- randomjames, on 04/06/2009, -1/+7Check out Mike Rupert, he's a former LA police narcotics detective who uncovered a little bit of information about the CIA's involvement in the drug game.
Here's a good video to start: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4t3pl5Wxgyg
and his Drug war info archive: http://www.copvcia.com/free/ciadrugs/index.html - edstate, on 04/06/2009, -1/+6I'd make some quippy comment here about your "tin foil hat"... but honestly, at this point, I'd rather this all actually be a conspiracy. Because, if it isn't, the breadth and depth of stupidity required to 'pull this off' would be, frankly, astonishing.
- priegog, on 04/06/2009, -1/+6Have you been to Mexico lately? A revolution is well on it's way in many senses. Last I knew there wasn't a lot of production going on over there either; it was my understanding the mess they're in right now is due to the TRAFFICKING (and a smaller part because of the selling there) from southern countries. Sure, there is still a lot of corruption going on over there: it's hard overtrow an almost century-old tradition in a single sweep. Actually, from what I understand the drug cartels are acting up PRECISELY because change is happening, because it's getting a damn-lot harder to traffic. And guess what? The destination of the great majority of those drugs are (you guessed it) the US. So if you look at that way, Mexico is in that huge mess because of you (by buying, by having corrupt politicians who help the narcs). About mexican military selling their weapons to the narcs, you'll better back that up, because that's the first I've heard of it. It wouldn't surprise me to find out there are SOME leaks... But no way on a massive scale.
Hey last summer a cousin I have who lives in the US (who's 10 y/o) proudly showed me a badge of honor or some other such nonsense he got for participating in a "say no to drugs" seminar or something and filling out a "test" (whose questinos were something along the lines of "I would never do cocaine because..."). His mother was crazy proud too. I was absolutely shocked. Is this the US's strategy for fighting drugs?
In any case, from all the information I've gathered it seems to me the mexicans are doing absolutely all they can to fight this: if you want to put it poetically, to stop the drugs from getting to YOU. And they're suffering a GREAT DEAL because of it (I'm sure I don't have to ask you to watch the news to see just how bad). They don't produce much, they don't consume much either. And when an article like this comes up on Digg this is ALL you can say about the subject? You sir, are like those idiots complaining that the "mexican violence is spilling over the border".
And I'm gonna get buried a whole lot for this, but:
And you're all snugg and proud for having voted for "the change you can believe in". And don't even get me started on the whole economy thing (which actually affects ME all the way over here in Europe)
Get a clue - swordedge, on 04/06/2009, -0/+5Like they would not be replaced by other officials?
- Metavised, on 04/06/2009, -1/+5Both ideas are good, just legalize it first so that those cartels we fight are underfunded and significantly smaller.
- atomheartmother, on 04/06/2009, -0/+4FTA:
"if there is traffic in United States, it is because there is some corruption in United States."
Well, duh. Apparently President Calderone gets C-SPAN too. - travelon77, on 04/07/2009, -0/+4Anyone who asserts the money will disappear if the drugs become legal obviously hasn't looked at the prices of legal drugs recently.
- HOWLAN, on 04/07/2009, -0/+4Did we not learn anything from Prohibition?
- Bots, on 04/06/2009, -0/+4you can argue that it's immoral to legalize it to the same extent that its immoral not to legalize it. it comes down to that its a waste of the governments time and money. problem is too many people have their hands in the cookie jar skimming from the drugs being criminalized. Everything to law enforcement, judges, lawyers, privatized jails, etc.. the list goes on.
Nobody is willing to take on a logical standpoint on it and say its just wrong. period. You get people like Obama saying he doesn't think its a good idea, but never cares to explain why he feels this way. It's like when you were a kid arguing with your parents. All they had to say is 'because thats just the way it is' without explaining anything. This is a very similar situation. - neozeed, on 04/06/2009, -0/+4Gee you think? How do you think the military equipment got to Mexican drug cartels? Why do you think the CIA transports cocaine through Mexico? Why do you think the US occupied Afghanistan once they started to halt the drug trade?
But nothing to see here, move along, watch your TV and eat your HFC. - TrancePhreak, on 04/06/2009, -0/+4And send the violent drug offenders to prison?
- sponeil, on 04/06/2009, -0/+4Is he saying that some of our politicians are willing to accept bribes? I'm just too shocked for words! (/s)
Even as clueless as Americans generally are, we're not that clueless. - Corrosionx, on 04/07/2009, -0/+4In big cities there are skyscrapers.
The more it snows, the more you have snow.
I was thinking we didn't say enough of those obvious things.
Anybody who believes drug prohibition works is either stupid or is benefiting from it. - Metavised, on 04/06/2009, -0/+3They could be ignorant to the facts, or in their societal realm don't receive any contact apposing points of the issue. There are many other alternatives then just being complaisant, but I agree there are a few who are comfortable with their belief system.
The only people I would label complaisant are the ones who know everything about the issue, but do nothing either way. However, should you feel strongly about either side you should spend less time blaming people and more time teaching them. - pharoah247, on 04/06/2009, -4/+7Why does this surprise anyone?? How do you think all of the drugs get into poverty stricken areas of our country?? The government is more than just complicit in our drug problems. At least someone has the balls to "say what they see."
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