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Mexican Constitution, Immigration Laws Vs. U.S. Constitution

michnews.com — Special Interest Groups consider U.S. Immigration laws racist, inhumane and unjust. A possible answer to the problem would be abolishing all U.S. Immigration Statutes and adopting "word for word ” Mexico's standards and law per their government constitution. Contrary to popular belief, Mexico has very strict immigration laws which are enforced by

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  • petsheep, on 10/16/2007, -6/+36"Contrary to popular belief, Mexico has very strict immigration laws which are enforced by every police agency in the country. The Bureau of Immigration can call upon any law enforcement officer to assist in their mission. Citizens from the United States traveling in Mexico without proper documents are subject to arrest as illegal aliens. The Mexican government has been very outspoken, critical on U.S. Immigration law enforcement efforts and supports Amnesty for all illegal aliens residing, working in this nation. It seems President Bush as well as most in the U.S. Congress and Senate are on the same page. If our Constitution, Bill of Rights, Immigration Codes are of no importance, our laws too strict, there should be comprehensive reform direct from the 1917 Constitution of Mexico." (from the article)
    • nreynolds, on 10/10/2007, -7/+9uummm.... down at the san diego/mexico boarder (past san diego, if you have to know) you can just walk straight into Mexico. They check your ID's on the way back, but there is NO security or anything going into Mexico.
      • caferrell, on 10/10/2007, -1/+20Try that at the Mexico-Guatemala border. There are no Guatemalans walking into Mexico without passport and visa, and even then they will be given the third degree
        • ogremidget, on 10/10/2007, -4/+1I was just in Mexico in July and while there I was on the river that separates Guatemala from Mexico and it would have been SO EASY to get in a boat and cross the border. Nobody was patrolling the river because it was just jungle on both sides.
      • alliekins619, on 10/10/2007, -2/+10Yeah I was gonna say, back in 2000 when I visited San Diego we went down to Mexico for the day, the security going in was quite literally a rusty turnstile. Coming back there was a 30 minute line where they checked all your docs and made you walk through metal detectors and stuff, but going it it was like Mexico was asking "Can you operate a turnstile? YOU CAN!? Welcome to Mexico!"
      • backwithblack, on 10/10/2007, -0/+7If you go a certain distance into Mexico there is much tighter security. Of course they aren't going to prevent tourists from spending money in their border towns. Try driving into the heart of Mexico coming from the US without proper documentation and then get back to me and tell me how relaxed Mexico's immigration policy is.
    • joemofo214, on 10/10/2007, -4/+5I always go to Mexico... My family lives there, my brother lives there, he is american. He is illegal down in Mexico, but he has not once gotten a threat of deportation from the Mexican police.... Why? Even though he was pulled over more than once for speeding, he dosent cause harm, and therefor, is not deported.
      • dasomen, on 10/10/2007, -1/+4That exactly my point joemofo214, I know lots of gringos living here in Mexico, none of them legally, no one bothers them, many of them are being employed, and no one pays taxes. One thing is what's allegedly written in the constitution and other is what's done in reality, no one has killed a gringo for entering Mexicom we don't give a damn about foreigners living here, we get along, my neighbor is from Arkansas, I treat him with respect, no matter if he's not legally in this country, I don't give a damn who employs him, nor what he does with his money.
      • PatoLucas, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2It's because these laws are enforced in a very racist way, I'm mexican (living in México) and I know a lot of gringos and europeans who don't have a single problem here, but every single person from the south of the border has a hell of problems. I have a friend from Venezuela who's married, haves 3 children, have been more than 10 years here, never had a problem with law and even has started a small company, well, she has to go to immigration every single year and has to bear interrogations that last up to 6 ***** hours, sounds fair? of course not.
    • Zaetha, on 10/10/2007, -4/+12I have the Mexican constitution in front of me, you can read it too:
      http://www.diputados.gob.mx/LeyesBiblio/pdf/1.pdf

      Everything in this article is a lie.

      1)Foreigners are admitted into Mexico "according to their possibilities of contributing to national progress." (Article 32)
      A)*****, that Article says that the law will manage how double nationality should be handled, that the jobs the constitution describes (president, etc.) cannot be given to someone who has double nationality, that in times of peace no foreigner should be part of the army, police, etc., that no foreigner should get a job on an airship or ship with a Mexican flag, and that for any job ON THE GOVERNMENT a Mexican should be preferred if the job doesn't require the nationality (president requires it, etc.)

      2)Immigration officials must "ensure" that "immigrants will be useful elements for the country and that they have the necessary funds for their sustenance" and for their dependents. (Article 34)
      A)Another lie, it says that every Mexican is "citizen of the republic" if they have: 18 years old or more and if they have a honest way of life. (I think this means that if you are 18 years old you are covered fully in the constitution, like drinking, driving, etc.)

      3)Foreigners may be barred from the country if their presence upsets "the equilibrium of the national demographics," when foreigners are deemed detrimental to "economic or national interests," when they do not behave like good citizens in their own country, when they have broken Mexican laws, and when "they are not found to be physically or mentally healthy." (Article 37)
      A)Again, it doesn't says so. It says that no Mexican should be taken from his nationality, and that nationality for naturalization should be taken away if: they describe themselves as for another nationality, or using nobility titles for foreigner countries, being 5 years out of Mexico, working for foreigner countries without the Mexican government consent, for accepting medals or other military award for other governments without the Mexican government consent. And for helping a foreigner country or foreigner citizen against Mexico in a treaty or international court.

      4)The Secretary of Governance may "suspend or prohibit the admission of foreigners when he determines it to be in the national interest." (Article 38)
      A)This law doesn't even say anything about foreigners. I talks about how the right of any citizen can be suspended. Remember, nationality and citizenship is not the same.

      Damn, I'm tired... if somebody wants me to debunk the whole article or if someone actually cares about it, reply and maybe I finish tonight, because I'm at work right now.
    • UWake911, on 10/10/2007, -9/+2Why can't America use a Israel type Immigration Policy, that of only allowing Jews in. Other words America only allows Europeans.

      It is really disgusting to think America will become invaded by the likes of Mexican illegals. Tourist want to see the real America not a land invaded by others.
      • MrObjectional, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3........
        • Secularian, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1My thoughts exactly, Mr.Objectional..
      • pkonink, on 10/10/2007, -4/+3It's really disgusting to think that racist bigots like you still live in America. Sigh, yet another weak link in our society.
      • AxeSwinger, on 10/10/2007, -3/+3What is the real America? Native Americans, Western Europeans, Eastern Europeans, Irish Immigrants, or Central and South American Immigrants? All groups have immigrated in very large numbers over a short time span changing what American ancestry really is. If you can tell me your rationale for just Europeans I'd love to hear it.

        Personally, I say the more the merrier the only thing I ask is that everyone work towards a common language because that's really the only tie that binds us as Americans.
    • SquigglyP, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3The Mexican Government wants amntesty for all the illegals HERE in the U.S. That's the crux of this article. It's just another one of these retards that wants to let these illegal ***** stay here and gain citizenship. I have nothing wrong with letting people in on a work visa, i have nothing wrong with student visas and temporary situations. There are lots and lots of people out there who are waiting patiently, sometimes outside of the US, for their citizenship to go through, or so they are allowed to even try for citizenship. It would be highly unfair to simply allow anyone who can make it to dry land become a citizen. It would also be incredibly stupid of us to just allow anyone that touches land in our country to become a citizen. NO OTHER COUNTRY ON THE PLANET ALLOWS THIS TO HAPPEN. Don't let these ***** fool you by saying how other nations have 'better' policies, it's actually MORE difficult to become a citizen in many other countries than it is here.
    • Influsion, on 10/10/2007, -4/+1THIS STORY IS A COMPLETE LIE:
      http://digg.com/political_opinion/Complete_Lie_about_Mexican_Immigration_Laws_Makes_it_to_Digg_Front_Page/blog
    • Influsion, on 10/10/2007, -4/+1THIS ARTICLE IS A COMPLETE LIE!!!!!! THIS STORY DEBUNKED: http://digg.com/political_opinion/Complete_Lie_about_Mexican_Immigration_Laws_Makes_it_to_Digg_Front_Page/
  • specialK16, on 10/16/2007, -28/+5This article will be buried because we all know that the US is right and Mexico is wrong, specially when it comes to immigration.
    • narutometal, on 10/10/2007, -4/+4As hard as it is to believe, the US isn't perfect.
    • Insidious4, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2It will be buried because it is a complete lie:
      http://digg.com/political_opinion/Complete_Lie_about_Mexican_Immigration_Laws_Makes_it_to_Digg_Front_Page
    • Influsion, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Claim:

      Mexico welcomes only foreigners who will be useful to Mexican society:

      Foreigners are admitted into Mexico “according to their possibilities of contributing to national progress.” (Article 32)

      Factual, straight from the constitution:

      Article 32. Mexicans shall have priority over foreigners under equality of circumstances for all classes of concessions and for all employment, positions, or commissions of the Government in which the status of citizenship is not indispensable. In time of peace no foreigner can serve in the Army nor in the police or public security forces.

      In order to belong to the National Navy or the Air Force, and to discharge any office or commission, it is required to be a Mexican by birth. This same status is indispensable for captains, pilots, masters, engineers, mechanics, and in general, for all personnel of the crew of any vessel or airship protected by the Mexican merchant flag or insignia It is also necessary to be Mexican by birth to discharge the position of captain of the port and all services of pratique and airport commandant, as well as all functions of customs agent in the Republic.

      Claim:

      Immigration officials must “ensure” that “immigrants will be useful elements for the country and that they have the necessary funds for their sustenance” and for their dependents. (Article 34)

      Factual:

      Article 34. Men and women who, having the status of Mexicans, likewise meet the following requirements are citizens of the Republic:

      1. Having reached eighteen years of age, if married, or twenty-one years of age if unmarried;
      2. Having an honest means of livelihood.

      Claim:

      Foreigners may be barred from the country if their presence upsets “the equilibrium of the national demographics,” when foreigners are deemed detrimental to “economic or national interests,” when they do not behave like good citizens in their own country, when they have broken Mexican laws, and when “they are not found to be physically or mentally healthy.” (Article 37)

      Factual:

      Article 37.

      1. Mexican nationality is lost:
      1. By the voluntary acquisition of a foreign nationality;
      2. By accepting or using titles of nobility which imply submission to a foreign state;
      3. By residing, if a Mexican by naturalization, for five consecutive years in the country of origin;
      4. By passing in any public instrument, when Mexican by naturalization, as a foreigner, or by obtaining and using a foreign passport;
      2. Mexican citizenship is lost:
      1. By accepting or using titles of nobility which imply submission to a foreign government;
      2. By rendering voluntary services to a foreign government without permission of the Federal Congress or of its Permanent Committee;
      3. By accepting or using foreign decorations without permission of the Federal Congress or of its Permanent Committee;
      4. By accepting titles or functions from the government of another country without previous permission of the Federal Congress or its Permanent Committee, excepting literary, scientific, or humanitarian titles which may be freely accepted;
      5. By aiding a foreigner or a foreign country, against the Nation, in any diplomatic claim or before an international tribunal;
      6. In other cases which the laws may specify.

      Claim:

      The Secretary of Governance may “suspend or prohibit the admission of foreigners when he determines it to be in the national interest.” (Article 38)

      Factual:

      Article 38. The rights or prerogatives of citizens [emphasis added] are suspended:

      1. Through failure to comply, without sufficient cause, with any of the obligations imposed by Article 36. This suspension shall last for one year and shall be in addition to any other penalties prescribed by law for the same offense.
      2. Through being subjected to criminal prosecution for an offense punishable by imprisonment (pena corporal), the suspension to be reckoned from the date of the formal order of commitment;
      3. Throughout a term of imprisonment;
      4. Through vagrancy or habitual drunkenness, affirmed in the manner prescribed by law;
      5. Through being a fugitive from justice, the suspension being reckoned from the date of the order of arrest until the prescription of the criminal action;
      6. Through final sentence imposing such suspension as a penalty.

      The law shall specify those cases in which civil rights may be lost or suspended and the manner of rehabilitation.

      As you can see this entire document is fabricated. MichNews.com - Most, In Depth, Conservative, Honest News & Commentary, is actually completely dishonest news.

      Here is the rest of the article, summed up for brevity. You can still follow the links to the English version, to compare

      Claim:

      Mexican authorities must keep track of every single person in the country:

      Federal, local and municipal police must cooperate with federal immigration authorities upon request, i.e., to assist in the arrests of illegal immigrants. (Article 73)

      Factual:

      Article 73 -Simply outlines the structure, powers and responsibility of congress, but says nothing about “keeping track of every single person in the country” or cooperation with federal immigration authorities.

      Claim:

      A National Population Registry keeps track of “every single individual who comprises the population of the country,” and verifies each individual’s identity. (Articles 85 and 86)

      Factual:

      Articles 85 and 86 -85 talks about the reasons and procedures for appointing interim presidents. 86 talks about acceptable causes for presidential resignation. There’s nothing about a National Population Registry.

      Claim:

      A national Catalog of Foreigners tracks foreign tourists and immigrants (Article 87), and assigns each individual with a unique tracking number (Article 91).

      Factual:

      Article 87 - Outlines the presidential oath that must be taken when taking office. Article 91 - “To be a secretary it is required to be a Mexican citizen by birth, to be in exercise of his rights, and be at least thirty years of age”.

      Claim:

      Foreigners with fake papers, or who enter the country under false pretenses, may be imprisoned:

      Foreigners with fake immigration papers may be fined or imprisoned. (Article 116)

      Factual:

      Article 116 - The States have the power to fix their respective boundaries among themselves, by amicable agreements; but such agreements will not be put into effect without the approval of the Congress of the Union.

      Claim:

      Foreigners who sign government documents “with a signature that is false or different from that which he normally uses” are subject to fine and imprisonment. (Article 116)

      Factual:

      See above - Article 116

      Claim:

      Foreigners who fail to obey the rules will be fined, deported, and/or imprisoned as felons:

      Foreigners who fail to obey a deportation order are to be punished. (Article 117)

      Factual:

      Article 117 - Limits the powers of the states (for example, states cannot make coins).

      Claim:

      Foreigners who are deported from Mexico and attempt to re-enter the country without authorization can be imprisoned for up to 10 years. (Article 118)

      Factual:

      Article 118 - Limits states further - they may not impose certain port levies, nor start wars with foreign powers.

      Claim:

      Foreigners who violate the terms of their visa may be sentenced to up to six years in prison (Articles 119, 120 and 121). Foreigners who misrepresent the terms of their visa while in Mexico — such as working with out a permit — can also be imprisoned.

      Factual:

      Article 119 - Each State has the obligation to deliver without delay the criminals of another State or of a foreign State to the authorities who claim them.

      Article 120 - The governors of the States are required to publish and enforce federal laws.

      Article 121 - States must respect each others’ laws.

      Claim:

      Under Mexican law, illegal immigration is a felony. The General Law on Population says,

      “A penalty of up to two years in prison and a fine of three hundred to five thousand pesos will be imposed on the foreigner who enters the country illegally.” (Article 123)

      Factual:

      Article 123 - Why would a constitution contain the specific monetary fine? Either way, this talks about Labor and Social Security.

      Claim:

      Foreigners with legal immigration problems may be deported from Mexico instead of being imprisoned. (Article 125)

      Factual:

      Article 125 - “No individual may fill two popularly elected federal offices at the same time […]”

      Claim:

      Foreigners who “attempt contempt against national sovereignty or security” will be deported. (Article 126)

      Factual:

      Article 126 - “No payment may be made that is not included in the budget or provided for by a subsequent law.”

      Claim:

      Mexicans who help illegal aliens enter the country are themselves considered criminals under the law:

      A Mexican who marries a foreigner with the sole objective of helping the foreigner live in the country is subject to up to five years in prison. (Article 127)

      Factual:

      Article 127 - President, Supreme Court Justices, and other public officials receive compensation specified and paid by the national treasury.

      Claim:

      Shipping and airline companies that bring undocumented foreigners into Mexico will be fined. (Article 132) *1917 Mexican Constitution… ref. Center for Security Policy

      Factual:

      Article 132 - Certain buildings used by the government for public service and common use are under federal jurisdiction.
  • fuzzmeister, on 10/16/2007, -19/+11This article completely bypasses an essential point, however: why the hell would we model our immigration laws off of Mexico?
    • faskippy, on 10/10/2007, -4/+7Nyuk, nyuk, because they are so strict???
    • Gavagai80, on 10/10/2007, -4/+3Because it's great to live in a third world country (if you're among the elite), so we need to make the U.S. into one. That's the point of cutting taxes and increasing the gap between rich and poor as well, and all the security laws.
    • Victorioso, on 10/10/2007, -1/+1Its being used as a negative example; to show that the USA has such lax laws concerning illegal immigration, and a porous border, that if something needs to be changed in the USA law, we should model Mexicos style; no papers means jail time.
  • cocreator10, on 10/10/2007, -8/+7 Oustlander oust!
  • SpyDerMann, on 10/16/2007, -22/+4I think the article author states that since Mexican immigration laws are stricter, it would be like a slap in the face for the mexican government. However this logic is flawed, because it doesn't solve the problem: The US keeps earning money by screwing all other countries, with pollution, war, and dumping.
    • caferrell, on 10/10/2007, -8/+4Our problem is really internal. Until we have a national consensus on the issue, we will continue to emit different and contradictory signals. What is better about the Mexican system is that there IS a national consensus and the laws are enforced.
      As long as we have vitriolic hate screaming out from the paranoid right at the same time that we have whole industries that depend on Mexican labour, we will continue to confuse foreigners, be they well intentioned or not.
      The racism, the knee jerk fear and hate have to end so that we can have a real debate and come up with a policy that we can all accept.
    • johnn11238, on 10/10/2007, -1/+2WRONG. The Third world, not the US, is responsible for the lion's share of pollution. And Mexico's policy of encouraging their citizens to emmigrate illegally into the US and send American dollars back to Mexico is backward, irresponsible, and grossly unfair to the Mexican people, who deserve a government more concerned with building an economy at home than sucking off their neighbors to the north.
    • Influsion, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Wrong. The article is a fabrication: http://digg.com/political_opinion/Complete_Lie_about_Mexican_Immigration_Laws_Makes_it_to_Digg_Front_Page
  • chase001, on 10/16/2007, -17/+17A solution would be to stop hiring illegal immigrants. Guess what? Bush and the other corporatist in Washington will never do this. They pander to the racist xenophobes who hate brown people to get their votes and that's it. Corporate profit trumps your racism every time.
  • petsheep, on 10/16/2007, -4/+38It just sort of looks like the Mexican policy is "our citizens are citizens of the world, but the world is not a citizen of our country."
    • igyigyigy, on 10/10/2007, -9/+6Isn't that also the US policy?
      • expatcatalyst, on 10/10/2007, -3/+2NO, I have been around the world more than once and for everything you have heard about the ugly American, I can tell you three stories about how well we represent when we go into others countries. Come here to California where our jails and prisons are filled up to overflowing with illegals and we have to constantly watch out for our kids on the streets on the "good side" of town because of illegals roaving around. Then we, the american taxpayer, gets to foot the bill!
    • pcore, on 10/10/2007, -6/+2Rofl thats like U.S. Policy. You can literally walk in to Mexico easily in certain places.
      It takes years to allow a foreigner into the U.S. legally. Its not so hard for us to into other countries is it? Even just for vacation time in the US it takes a long ass time.
      • Syphon8, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1It takes minutes for me to get into America. They never even check ID.
        • MrObjectional, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1How are the moose doing up there?
    • FukUrCouch, on 10/10/2007, -2/+3Did you know what you've just read is made up right?....Before looking at a conservative website that makes up ***** inform yourself on the mexican constitution and stop being ignorant. Do you know any american citizens that have been deported to the united states for living in mexico with out "papers"? If you don't STFU
  • AuroraAlpha, on 10/16/2007, -12/+5Personally I think a broken system is much better then Mexico's system because ours does not bluntly promote the discriminating against immigrants. Let’s take a look at what they wrote:

    Foreigners may be barred from the country if their presence upsets "the equilibrium of the national demographics," when foreigners are deemed detrimental to "economic or national interests," when they do not behave like good citizens in their own country, when they have broken Mexican laws”
    So first of all, many people are worried that Mexican immigrants are upsetting the demographics, and since those 20 million works voting would become 7% of the voting population, they very much would. DEPORTATION! The second part is even better, they get deported when they have broken a law, well , ever notice that Mexican workers are called ‘illegals’, that’s because they have broken the law coming here. They SNEAK past the boarders because they aren’t allowed. That means every worker can be deported if they don’t already fail for upsetting the demographics for the other issues below! With immigration like this we could have already started sending every Mexican back, you know what? I really like this Mexican immigration system, you just F over anyone you don’t like!

    “Foreigners who are deported from Mexico and attempt to re-enter the country without authorization can be imprisoned for up to 10 years. (Article 118)”

    Another one of my favorites now, if we send you away and you try and sneak in again you get 10 years in prison. Since some crazy amount of people return (because we don’t punish) we would have almost equal amounts of Mexicans in prison as we try and send home!

    "A penalty of up to two years in prison and a fine of three hundred to five thousand pesos will be imposed on the foreigner who enters the country illegally." (Article 123)”
    Now something that really applies to our issue. At that price we would get 10,000,000,000 pesos from the illegal population (if they have that much money that haven’t sent home yet). So 2 years, and 10 years when they re-enter, that’s 12 years in jail for most people here.

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    Well I don’t know about anyone else, but I think this constitution would solve our problems perfectly! Jail every worker for 2 years, make them pay for the jail cost, ship them home, and keep up in jail for another 10 years if they try and enter. This constitution has none of the protections of ours and I think that makes it perfect, lets legally decimate against immigrants! I think that illegal workers should be removed and replaced with legal workers, but I don’t think even I could support a system like this which bluntly blocks foreigners from general protections.

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    P.S. “Immigration officials must "ensure" that "immigrants will be useful elements for the country and that they have the necessary funds for their sustenance" and for their dependents. (Article 34)

    That means nearly all immigrants from Mexico would be removed immediately since the generally reason they come here is to get money and sent it come (where European immigrants generally send the money home where it is saved so they can bring the rest of their family home.
    • Onyxblaze, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1You are on the right track but... I would rather have them do work for us than go to jail where I pay for their existence.
  • chiggah, on 10/10/2007, -4/+6Immigration reform?

    Not happening.
  • jbus, on 10/10/2007, -4/+19Sorry to burst your bubbles, but the illegal immigration issue WILL NOT be resolved. Why??? Because too many businesses (political contributors) benefit from low wage illegal immigrant workers. Both the local and federal governments benefit as well because most of these illegal immigrants pay local sales tax and property tax as well as federal income tax. This urgency about addressing the illegal immigration issue you hear on TV and online is nothing but *****. It's sole purpose is to fire up the emotions of people that will vote on this one issue. Kind of the same way people got all fired up about gay marriage and abortion by the GOP and the Bush campaign, but all this time in office and nothing has been done by the Bush administration regarding either of those issues. That's because those type of wedge issues are best left unresolved until the next time there is an election as a means to fire up the base. When will these people ever learn.
    • CraigJ, on 10/10/2007, -3/+4I'm not so sure about that anymore. Here in Arizona, the congress passed a law that revokes the business license of any company found to be knowingly hiring illegals, and fines them pretty heavily too. This is a republican congress. I know it's a good deal, because all the immigrants rights people at pissed off about it. Also, the county sheriff has been actively arresting and jailing illegals.
    • quattelly, on 10/10/2007, -3/+2How are these illegals paying federal income tax? From what I understand most illegals work "under the table". The wages arent reported. The urgency is a large percentage of the lower end work force not working with the laws. You let the problem get too big and you cant control it. Fundamentally we shouldn't support ILLEGAL immigration. America has long been a melting pot of LEGAL immigration. We cant support everyone in the world.

      The mexicans and certain politicians have done a great job making this a race issue. It may be for a minority but for most its a legal and middle class issue.

      I personally know cops in 2 border states that have told me they dont bother *illegals* with charges unless they are felonies because its not worth the time. They cant track them or have much recourse when they dont show up for court or pay fines so why bother? The same immigrant (or US citizen) would be held accountable.
      • iwantrevenge, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2It's called an ITIN, look it up on the IRS page and learn something new today. Apparently the IRS doesn't mind taking money from Illegals.
    • UWake911, on 10/10/2007, -1/+4So money is more important that a Nation's harmony and society.
    • expatcatalyst, on 10/10/2007, -2/+0Come to California and tell me all those under the table workers are paying their way in OUR society. They are ILLEGAL and as you see from their own law that even their own government lays it out in law that what is going on here is wrong! And don't start in on the race issue, it's bull! I welcome anyone into OUR society when they do so LEGALLY.
    • minox, on 10/10/2007, -1/+1"Kind of the same way people got all fired up about gay marriage and abortion by the GOP and the Bush campaign, but all this time in office and nothing has been done by the Bush administration regarding either of those issues."

      It's strange, but in my history book Bush got Alito and Roberts on the Supreme Court. And I seem to remember some big stink about Partial Birth abortion. Maybe I'm remembering wrong.
  • lodleader, on 10/10/2007, -1/+10to chase001 - Title "Judge Puts Hold on White House Plan to Warn Employers About Hiring Illegals" http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,295478,00.html yeah... bush is trying to hire illegals... that is why he is trying to stop it!
    I must say, the past few days i have re-enjoyed coming to Digg because there were stories on the front page that were against liberals, dunno what happened, but it is about damn time. To finally have some articles and comments from the other side is great. IMO.
  • Scottat2, on 10/10/2007, -7/+4Some ppl have to understand that this is sarcasm..
  • hutectro, on 10/10/2007, -22/+4IT'S DISGUSTING TO WATCH THEM COME IN HERE TO OUR LITTLE TOWNS AND TRASH THEM.I AM SICK OF IT.AND I DON'T STAND ALONE.EVERY WHERE THEY GO AND STAY IT LOOKS LIKE CRAP IN LESS THAN A YEAR.ALL THE BUSINESS LEAVES.ALL THE NEW HOUSING BECOMES OLD HOUSING.FROM MANICURED LAWNS TO DIRT.DOGS ON CHAINS,OLD CARS SITTING AROUND,THE SMELL OF COCKROACHES AND BEANS IN THE AIR.I REMEMBER WHEN OUR NEIGHBORHOODS LOOKED WONDERFUL.I REMEMBER WHEN YOU COULD LET YOUR FAMILY WALK TO THE PARK WITHOUT GETTING STARED AT BY A GROUP OF MEXICANS STANDING AROUND DRINKING BUDWEISER,AND LISTENING TO CRAPPY MUSIC THAT ALL HAS THE SAME BEAT.I REMEMBER WHEN YOU COULD LEAVE THE GARAGE DOOR OPEN AND THE HOUSE UNLOCKED,WITHOUT WORRYING ABOUT WHO IS GOING TO STEAL YOUR LAWN MOWER OR YOUR TOOLBOX,OR RAPE YOUR DAUGHTER.I WANT THOSE DAYS BACK WHEN WE DIDN'T WORRY ABOUT THOSE THINGS.GO HOME MEXICANS FIX YOUR OWN COUNTRY LET US HAVE OURS BACK.JUST GO BACK TO MEXICO.WE FOUGHT FOR THIS LAND ITS OURS.GO FIGHT FOR YOUR LAND DON'T BE COWARDS SHOW SOME HONOR FIGHT FOR YOUR MEXICO SO YOU CAN BE PROUD,AND YOUR CHILDREN WILL BE APPRECIATIVE.OUR COUNTRY IS NOT YOURS.YOU DIDN'T FIGHT FOR IT.IF YOU DID YOU WOULD APPRECIATE IT LIKE I DO.INSTEAD OF TRASHING IT THROWING YOUR BEER CANS,AND DIAPERS ON OUR SHORE LINES AND LAKES.DUMPING YOUR COUCHES AND REFRIGERATORS AND GARBAGE ON OUR BACK ROADS AND HIGHWAYS,AND WAVING THOSE STUPID LOSER RED WHITE AND GREEN FLAGS ON OUR SOIL.NOTICE ON YOUR FLAG THE EAGLE IS EATING THE SNAKE.I OFTEN WONDER IF THE SNAKE IS THE MEXICAN MASCOT,WE KNOW WHO OWN ES THE EAGLE.ITS NOT MEXICO.TAKE YOUR 14 KIDS AND YOUR UGLY LITTLE FAT MEXICAN WIVES AND GO BACK TO MEXICO,GET ORGANIZED ON YOUR OWN SOIL AND TAKE OVER YOUR OWN DAMN COUNTRY.ILL GET THE GATE FOR YOU.WE WOULD ALL FEEL BETTER IF YOU GUYS WOULD SPIT IN YOUR OWN DIRT.
    • squoob, on 10/10/2007, -7/+4You are a troll. And a racist. What you wrote is beyond stupid. You cannot generalize a race of people. You are extremely ignorant and blind. I guess you were yelling with your all caps?
      • popfrogs, on 10/10/2007, -1/+6You know what they say...CAPS LOCK IS CRUISE CONTROL FOR COOL.
      • hutectro, on 10/10/2007, -1/+1If you're a white man, this is what you are. It doesn't even matter if your wife is black and you have an adopted child from India, or how many black friends you have, somehow you're going to end up being a racist according to how the media portrays the white man as "racist whities".
        • hierophantus, on 10/10/2007, -1/+0You should really stop watching the Paranoia Channel. Then you won't see all those awful "media portrayals" of all white people as racist.

          You know, if it seems to you like every time you turn around you're being called racist you might want to give some (non-paranoid) thought as to why that is. It actually doesn't happen to every white person, just the ones who spout ignorant crap (especially in ALLCAPS).
        • hutectro, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2At least i have the balls to say what you kiss Ass Americans are afraid to say.
        • hierophantus, on 10/10/2007, -1/+0"Ignorance" =/= "balls." It doesn't take any kind of balls to spout paranoid crap from afar. And we're not "afraid" to speak nonsense, it's just that we have brains.

          But, take heart. There are plenty of uneducated jackasses in the US who hold views just like yours.
    • vichs, on 10/10/2007, -2/+5you are so funny... and stupid :) may u never find urself in need to have to move to another country to find opportunity.. they didnt choose it you dumbass... and about fat mexican wives.... dude.... take a look at most american women... and men.... please!
    • pcore, on 10/10/2007, -6/+3Reported.
    • UWake911, on 10/10/2007, -1/+2I'm worried to travel to America as it's becoming too 3rd World. Please don't tlet America change. If I wanted to come to Mexico I would travel there, not Mexico in America.
      • hutectro, on 10/10/2007, -1/+2Sorry to say ---------United States is slowly going back to Mexico
        • hierophantus, on 10/10/2007, -0/+0Too bad Mexico didn't have heroes like you back in the 19th century to sound the alarm about the invasion of the whites, eh? Historical perspective is a bitch.
      • johnn11238, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2America becoming 3rd world??? And you're afraid to come here?? Afraid of what, all the mexicans??? Where the ***** do you live? Sweden?
    • Victorioso, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3Hey man, we could put the illegals into the army..send them to Iraq. Then they could actually start paying their TAXES like we have to, and fight for the liberty as our own men have fought and died for in the past.

      http://www.immigrationcounters.com/
    • alliekins619, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1CAPS LOCK IS CRUISE CONTROL FOR COOL GUYS
  • homerj1965, on 10/10/2007, -3/+6Doesn't matter with the North American Union. We need to wake up and stop the BS. Best way get rid of itchy and scratchy in the white house.
    • expatcatalyst, on 10/10/2007, -0/+0Or better yet the keystone cops in congress......
  • ChunkerMunker, on 10/10/2007, -11/+0Actually, the reasons why Mexico is more strict is rather simple.

    We (the U.S.A.) don't want South Americans coming here.

    Mexico is the United State's bitch and it does whatever we want it to do. If people think there's an immigration problem in the U.S. now........the situation would be even worse if it weren't for Mexico's tough immigration laws.

    • pcore, on 10/10/2007, -1/+2Lol Mexico doesn't listen to all of what the U.S. Fox didn't always back-up Bush... Doesn't mean I'm saying Mexico isn't dependent of the US though.
  • faskippy, on 10/16/2007, -10/+19I am so damn tired of people who are such "politically correct" pussies, that they won't speak their mind when it comes to friggin illegal aliens. They are ***** criminals, whether you like it or not. Letting them get away with invading this Country has emboldened them to the point where they gather like roaches, take our flag down, put the Mexican flag up and fly the American flag upside down under theirs, and other such disrespectful *****. I call INS every time I see a group of them. This administration talks ***** about securing our borders, and waging a war on terror, yet they leave the damn back door open for anyone to walk in as they please, like it's some big secret that terrorists don't know about. Stupid friggin politicians, and stupid friggin simpletons.
    • briLo, on 10/10/2007, -3/+1The administration doesn't give a ***** because the people that put them in power are bankrolling these slimy bastards!!! It's a hell of a lot cheaper for me to hire some guy that doesn't speak a lick of English (nor does he have any intention of learning as he's a lazy piece of trash) and increase my profits than it is to hire someone born and bread. It's the special interest ***** that allows this to happen...I can't wait till this schmuck is out of office.....I can only hope he's replaced by an honest hardworking American!!

      I couldn't agree more with the politticaly correct pussies.......we need to send them to Iraq!!!!
      • huertanix, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Oh, but let me guess: You're not going to learn French to travel to France. Like every other monolingual modern American. Our founding fathers spoke around 3 languages EACH. Don't be shocked at the fact that doing simple labor doesn't require writing an analogy of English literature.
    • Victorioso, on 10/10/2007, -2/+2You go man ! You of all those here will like this : http://www.immigrationcounters.com/
    • hierophantus, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Go ahead and count the number of posts you disagree with here that make any kind of "politically correct" statement. Go ahead, I'll wait. It won't take long, I promise.

      Yeah, you may have noticed that the counterarguments to your point of view are based on *economics and logistics*, not politically correct views on race. Or, more likely, you just read over that so as not to disturb your sense of self-righteousness about "politically correct pussies."
    • 1337Einstein, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1So are stoners; that doesn't mean it ought to be that way. Right and wrong should define law, not the other way around.
    • huertanix, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3Americans do the same thing; Hell, I see an upside down flag on some white dude's apartment every time I drive to the theatre. I guess that means that American citizens are ROACHES as well, huh? Dumbass.
  • digginestdogg, on 10/10/2007, -1/+5Every sovereign nation has a right to its own unique immigration policy crafted to meet national goals regarding immigration. And it is entitled to modify it at any time as goals change or are met. The key issue is who determines the goals. US immigration policy is meeting the objectives of the monied interests that control our government and it won't substantially change until their interests change. Or the vast public of voters convinces them it is in their best interest to shift them. The Founders of this country never considered the circumstances of immigration we face today and their Bill of Rights and Constitution weren't crafted to address them. You can bend and extrapolate them all you want, but its a sham if you do and you know it.
  • lookoutforchris, on 10/10/2007, -2/+5We fixed this same problem under Eisenhower, look it up. I guess Bush is so stupid he can't even repeat history.
    • huertanix, on 10/10/2007, -1/+1If it was fixed, then I guess there isn't a problem now, is there?
      • lookoutforchris, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Things break down dork. Haven't you ever seen someone fix something more than once?
  • CDoug03, on 10/10/2007, -7/+2Considering that the US has some of the slackest immigration laws in the world, this entire article is utter *****.
  • SirZRX, on 10/10/2007, -3/+4thats right immigration laws here in Mexico are worst than the American ones.
  • proverb, on 10/10/2007, -5/+5The ONLY REAL REASON we have immigration laws to begin with is so people don't come to this country and take advantage of our socialist welfare state and semi-socialist unemployment laws. If we get rid of welfare and unemployment laws then they would have nothing to take advantage of SO THAT THEY WOULD BE FORCED TO BECOME A CONTRIBUTING PART OF OUR ECONOMY OR THEY WOULD GO HUNGRY AND HAVE TO LEAVE.
    • Hetman, on 10/10/2007, -1/+1You are leaving out cheap labor. Because even if they did not use are welfare they could still afford to stay here because so many employeers hire them. You would also have to start enforcing the law that prohibits the hiring of illegal aliens.
    • briLo, on 10/10/2007, -1/+1I'm not sure if you know any illegals here.......but they sure as hell take advantage of our socialist welfare.
      For instance I know several people who work 6-7 months a year, get terminated, and begin collecting unemployment checks. They're Unemployment checks are recieved at the house and sent straight to Mexico, where that person is currently living like a king for 5-6 months a year.
      That ***** happens all the time...
      • Victorioso, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1and this site shows the numbers you are talking about in real time : http://www.immigrationcounters.com/
      • prammy, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2How the hell do they collect unemployment checks? As far as I know you need a valid social security number and they check with employers before actually mailing you the damn check. At least in California and Washington they do that. In addition to that most states do not even send unemployment checks outside their state since an out of state person is not a resident of the state.
      • hierophantus, on 10/10/2007, -0/+0Not to mention that you have to work somewhere for a year before getting unemployment.
  • dalexandruz, on 10/10/2007, -1/+4so i guess mexico and the ppl will not mind u.s americans crossing the border to start building their culture in mexico.
  • DangerCollie, on 10/10/2007, -2/+8Mexico: Do as we say, not as we do. At least on immigration. They want us to open our borders while they treat illegal aliens as criminals. Nice.

    I find here in the US the discussions rarely make a clear distinction between "immigrant" and "illegal immigrant." I'm all in favor of legal immigration and welcome people of different nationalities and cultures. But, if you're here illegally, I'll hog tie you myself until ICE can come by and drag you back to the craphole you came from.

    If you're here illegally, you're not entitled to anything as far as I'm concerned. Food stamps, a job, medical care and you sure don't have a right to expect us to educate your kid in Spanish. English, motherf***er, it's what we speak here.

    One caveat to the above...some illegals have been here going on 10 years. They pay taxes, own houses, contribute. It would seem kind of unfair to treat them the same as someone hiking back and forth across the border. I could see helping them out with an expedited application process.

    Still, it just doesn't seem that complicated. If you're here illegally, we don't owe you anything. Just like your government wouldn't feel like you owed us anything if we were in Mexico illegally. How is that unfair?
    • diggduggjoe, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3I do not care how long they are here, if they are illegal deport them. That makes the message clear that we are not messing around. If, I stole a car and used it to go to work for 10 years, do I suddenly become the legal owner because I used it to work and pay taxes. NO! If, we inforce our laws as written the problem would go away. As for our need for workers, I feel that wages would increase or automation will become the norm. I hate to say it, but most of all harvesting needs to be done by machines.
    • FukUrCouch, on 10/10/2007, -2/+2Did you know what you've just read is made up right?....Before looking at a conservative website that makes up ***** inform yourself on the mexican constitution and stop being ignorant. Do you know any american citizens that have been deported to the united states for living in mexico with out "papers"? If you don't STFU
  • tpie, on 10/10/2007, -1/+0I think using Mexico's immigration laws is a brilliant idea. Clearly, the U.S. immigration laws will never get resolved because of business interests. Putting this concept out in the open will expose the deception. Watch the excuses and objections come out but the truth is every country has stricter immigration laws than the US. With the mortgage and housing crisis creating havoc with the stock market, the administration will attempt to bring in more immigrants as quickly as possible. Immigration is what is driving the housing market.
  • crapmatic, on 10/10/2007, -0/+5"Illegal immigrants are starting to leave Arizona months in advance of a new state law that will require employers to verify the employment eligibility of their workers. The departures are drawing cheers from immigration hard-liners and alarm from business owners already seeing a drop in sales."
    http://www.tucsoncitizen.com/daily/local/61804.php

    I have to say that I applaud what Arizona is doing. Here in Texas, some of the small towns I've lived in have been transformed into Mexican ghettos only in the space of only 5 or 10 years. I'm talking ghettos that are clearly full of illegals, not vibrant enclaves of Latino/Hispanic culture. The speed at which this is happening is astonishing, and I'm starting to notice the pattern is shifting northward into Oklahoma. These politicians need to enact a sane and rational immigration policy that welcomes the best of Mexican talent and labor, and cut off the floodgates that are eating away at our towns here. But I guess this will never happen because it will screw up demand for housing and Wal-Mart goods.
  • p0s3r, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Illegals reparations back to Mexico is Mexico's second largest industry. Second only to oil. Its brings more money to the Mexican economy than tourism and whatever else they do down in Mexico. Thats where Mexico's interest lies. Keeping their cash cow alive.
    • shankradio, on 10/10/2007, -1/+1It's called a "remittance". Not "reparations".
  • nycmac247, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Do YOU want to pay a living wage and remove the "shame" for jobs that must be done in any industrialized country?

    otherwise its just a race to the bottom --- and maybe we should have (non Iraq) slave labor while we're at it so we can "compete" with China?
    • huertanix, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1No one should be required to hire at a minimum wage. Markets are in demand for cheap labor. The gov't is in its way, so the corporations work around the law and hire migrants. If the minimum wage is removed, the labor demand might be met with the existing supply of unemployed Americans.
  • briLo, on 10/10/2007, -1/+1Every incoming immigrant has to pay a $1000 fee to enter the United States as well as passing a test to officially become a citizen. If you do not have the money to pay that is your issue; if you pay and do not pass your test, that is your issue; you will be expelled for both causes. We would need a three strike policy; three attempts and no success; you're not worthy of becoming an American.
    Anyone who does not pass the test after paying the fee will not recieve any of their money back and will be deported to Mexico. The Mexican / American border will now have 24/7 coverage by UAV's, accompanied by an extremely large and electrified fence. This fence would be mounted with automatic weapons that are controlled by soldiers miles away. All orders are shoot to kill and terminate anything that may attempt to harm the Interests of the United States of America.
    We would also need to deploy ground sensors, thermal imaging and a device that can deplete any cans/boats that tey may create.

    The money will allow the US to flee itselves of foreign owned US investments; it would require the immigrant to be a hard working individual; it would require the individual has the ability to learn and willingingness to learn English.

    Those things right there would correct our situation with illegals.
    • iwantrevenge, on 10/10/2007, -1/+1HAH! I wish it was that easy to come here, you're ***** delusional.
    • huertanix, on 10/10/2007, -1/+1"For every complex solution there is a simple answer... and its wrong." - Albert Einstein

      Walls work both ways. Its people like you that are at the foundation of the police state and the demise of the American Republic. Not the guy with the leaf blower.
  • dalittle, on 10/10/2007, -1/+2If you really want to fix the immigration problem, then just make mandatory jail time and heavy fines business owners that hire them. No jobs and they won't come. Bonus is that the free ride that the business owners have been getting by not paying for social security and all the services (police, fire, etc) that are needed for some one fall back on the business owners again and not the back of the average American.
  • UWake911, on 10/10/2007, -6/+6I'm not American BUT PLEASE don't let America be destroyed! If I travel to America I want to see America, not Mexico. Please keep the World Unique. STOP RACIAL DILUTION !!!
    • Victorioso, on 10/10/2007, -1/+4Wow.. a foreigner can see what is going on, and Americans want to "fight" each other over it ? That's an eye opener !
      http://www.immigrationcounters.com/
    • pkonink, on 10/10/2007, -3/+3Holy crap? "Stop racial dilution?" I am so glad you are not American, because we have enough wackjobs like you here already. Jesus, "racial dilution..." If you were in the room with me I would punch you in the face.
      • shankradio, on 10/10/2007, -1/+3Why would you punch him in the face? If he were talking about American Indians or Japanese would you feel angry about the "racial dilution" of those people? Race determines a civilization's culture. If the White race ceases to exist, Western Civilization goes with it.

        Do you think a majority Mexican population gives a rat's ass about the constitution of the U.S. and our founding fathers? Do they celebrate it in Mexico today? Are there national holidays celebrating George Washington, and the Declaration of Independence in Mexico, or Cinco de Mayo?

        If Mexicans were the majority race in Japan, would Japanese culture remain intact? Do we require American Indians to keep the American Indian culture in intact, or can we replace the Indians with Estonians? Wake up people! Race matters!
        • hierophantus, on 10/10/2007, -2/+0Race does not "determine" culture. It's just one factor. If you think any race is "pure" after millenia of intermarriage, you have no sense of history or genetics. You probably have several races' worth of blood running through your veins right now, whether you can trace it or not.
        • shankradio, on 10/10/2007, -1/+2Your answer is complete nonsense. If Japanese people didn't live in Japan, there would be no Japanese culture. Race DOES determine culture. The White race created Democracy, and the idea that man has inalienable God-given rights. This abstract idea did not sprout forth from Africa or Asia. It came out of the West.
      • pkonink, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1I would punch him in the face for the same reason a parent would paddle their unruly child. To knock a little sense into his thick, numb skull. I'm not a violent person, but occasionally a person (often like myself, lol) needs a slap to bring them to their senses. You, shankradio, obviously need to make an appointment with the pingpong paddle yourself. Racism is ignorance.
    • hierophantus, on 10/10/2007, -3/+0Yes, STOP RACIAL DILUTION! SUPPORT THE FINAL SOLUTION!

      I'd punch you in the face too.
  • blackmage439, on 10/10/2007, -3/+2Mexico has about as large balls as China, North Korea, and Russia have. Every time we consider outright deportation of illegal immigrants (see: 90% of them are Mexican), Mexico bitches and whines up a ***** storm about how "illegal" that is. It seems as one poster put it, Mexico only gives a ***** about it's own citizens... everyone else who "doesn't contribute to the country" can eat ***** and die. ***** Mexico...
  • Apathetic1, on 10/10/2007, -2/+3I work with many Mexicans most see illegal immigration as a threat to them. Mexicans who can speak English have trouble getting jobs in areas where there are too many illegals and if they do get a job it pays nothing.

    Illegal immigration can be stopped overnight. No changes to the law need to be made and no one needs to be deported. Only 1 thing need be done. Last year Conagra and many other companies used false SSNs and in some cases identical SSNs (one company used a single SS number 22,000 times) on there tax records. Even if they paid people half of minimum wage large companies could not afford to not get tax credit for these workers. Take that away and the immigration problem would be solved overnight.
  • cantoral, on 10/10/2007, -2/+5It is good that Americans and Mexicans know their neighbors constitutions. What is more important though, is that Americans and Mexicans know their neighbors.
  • Victorioso, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1An unfolding story about Tom Mckenna, is an example of how some Spanish speakers think :
    http://digg.com/offbeat_news/Evicted_for_English_man_will_sue_for_discrimination

  • dasomen, on 10/10/2007, -4/+10You're all a bunch of idiots. I know lots of gringos living here in Mexico, none of them legally, no one bothers them, many of them are being employed, and no one pays taxes. One thing is what's allegedly written in the constitution and other is what's done in reality, no one has killed a gringo for entering Mexico you bunch of jerks, we don't give a damn about foreigners living here, we get along, my neighbor is from Arkansas, I treat him with respect, no matter if he's not legally in this country, I don't give a damn who employs him, nor what he does with his money.
    • Apathetic1, on 10/10/2007, -1/+5Yeah....explain the Guatamalan situation then. why is the mexican army on the guatamalan border? why are there "safe houses" all along a path smuggling guatamalans through mexico? Of course you don't mind Americans coming we have money. Just like America doesn't mind Canadians and its not about race its about money.
      • dasomen, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3Drugs idiot, and that's because the US keeps bothering Mexico about drugs passing trough Mexico from Colombia and other south countries. About your second comment, many of the gringos I know have no money, they have to work here in order to eat, most of them are nice people. We have large communities from Poland, Cuba, Spain and so on, many of them refugees, as well as LOTS of people from south America making a living in Mexico, they live better here than in their native countries, and no one bothers them for their lack of 'official' documentation. Unlike most of you, we're friendly and polite with foreigners living here.
        • Apathetic1, on 10/10/2007, -3/+0Yes I'm sure you have MILLIONS of gringos living there lowering wages for all of your people. your an idiot to even attempt to compare the two situations. America has more LEGAL immigration than all other nations in the world. your either lying or just stupid if you say anyone can come to Mexico and get a job and live there without a problem. And Mexico isn't trying to stop drugs from coming here so that's not an excuse to mistreat the Guatemalans. Mexico uses them as slave labor before they deport them. Guatemalan women are turned into prostitutes I suppose you have a good reason for that as well.
        • dasomen, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4I don't know where you live, but I live in Mexico, and I know that I'm telling you the truth...if you want to know more, and you're a member of the Rotary International, come to my city, Xalapa, Veracruz, you'll be amazed about how many people from all over the world came to this city and stays. It's amazing how many of you gets your 'facts' from your ass. Come here and see it with your eyes.
    • Victorioso, on 10/10/2007, -2/+1What was in your corn flakes this morning ? Some care about the law. Americans are not in Mexico trying to change their culture. I bet your friend already knows spanish doesnt he ? I am all for respect, especially when we have so little of it going around anymore.

      http://www.immigrationcounters.com/
    • p0s3r, on 10/10/2007, -3/+2I call *****. No one, willingly, would move to Mexico.
      • dasomen, on 10/10/2007, -1/+1I call you douchebag, hillbilly and ignorant.
      • an0nymous, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1It does seem to be a dreadfully corrupt place. The police are on the take, drug money runs the country and the poverty stricken are a huge majority of the population. It is a society that seems (from the outside at least) bereft of the rule of law.
        Have I made one incorrect assertion?
        • dasomen, on 10/10/2007, -0/+0totally an0nymous, you can't trust your local news, that's for sure, you have to be here, or talk to people that lives here. Mexico is the #1 place that Americans choose to live as foreigners. We have lots of problems, as all countries of the world, but we're not as bad as people in the US media wants us to look. Just have a look at the article referred in this post, it turned out to be a fabricated lie... the Mexican constitution doesn't state any of those people allegations.
    • ciriarte, on 10/10/2007, -1/+0dasomen, I'm mexican too and I believe we have to understand them (and us, really, because in the end we are just the same, people), Read the comments, try to understand, even the harsh ones. Some of those comments really hurt, I know. And those feelings are just been exacerbated by our local media. Most Americans are good people, really. At least the little portion I've been in contact with. Both so we are.
      All this fuss is because the huge economic impact that represents to both countries (and in this matter, it is much more critical for us, because if we lose both immigrants' income and oil we will go down horribly and that's going to happen sooner or later, for sure) But I'm strangely, I'm excited because we need that to happen, we need to hit bottom to realize that our corruption levels, crime, and mediocre way of living are our fault, not theirs. If we say they're are being racist, what have we done for our native mexicans (indians)? How many of the attend to our best schools? How many of us (mexicans) learned any of our native languages to connect back to our roots? I could go on forever with that kind of questions. And even they don't apply to you individually, it is our prerogative to teach our neighbors, our childs, ourselves that we have to work together to solve all of our problems once and for all. Have a nice day.
      • dasomen, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1It's good to see more Mexicans around. Don't get me wrong ciriarte, I understand the need to regulate this things, what I don't understand and will never relate is the racism in either culture, yes, granted, there is racism in either side, but as far as I'm concerned I always try to treat every person equal. I've lived from north to south of Mexico, I've helped taraumaras, hicholes, paisanas for equal, how you may ask? giving work to any of those willing to work, paying them a decent amount and also helping them getting educated. Some of them are used to ask for 'limosnas' and won't work, but some of them just need an opportunity, my father has also employed many and to this date some of those taraumaras even have their own machinery for rent. As I said, I'm not against regulations, I'm against idiots posting hate comments.
      • shankradio, on 10/10/2007, -2/+1We are not the same people. If we were you would have turned your country into a thriving, constitutional republic many years ago. You have more natural resources in Mexico than most first world countries and you cannot get your economy together to feed your own people. You tolerate military dictatorships as a legitimate form of government since your inception 500 years ago.

        I have no respect for the Mexican people, as they are satisfied to live the life of beasts of burden in their own country.
    • bdlang, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1dasomen, unless you know 12 MILLION + illegal 'gringos' living in Mexico, STFU.
  • HiCaP, on 10/10/2007, -3/+6Just build the God-Damn Fence/Wall.
    • UWake911, on 10/10/2007, -2/+2You have to wonder with so many Ashkenazi-Jews in your Government running it, why they wouldn't use the same system from Israel, concrete walls. It's not hard to guess the corrupt US Government wants to destroy what America is.
      • pkonink, on 10/10/2007, -1/+1You are a nasty little bigot, aren't you?
    • an0nymous, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2Not necessary, really. Punish harshly those that employ or extend credit to illegal aliens.
      No reason to come anymore. Ease of entry ain't the reason we are being inundated.
    • huertanix, on 10/10/2007, -1/+1Fences and walls are still no match for tunnels. Ever heard of the underground railroad? A wall would be a waste of taxpayer money.

      A heavier INS force would be much cheaper.
  • hutectro, on 10/10/2007, -2/+3As for 80% of Americans...We're tired of footing the bill for ANY illegal entering our Country, flying a foreign flag and demanding money, social programs and rights afforded our Nationalist.
    • blackjack75, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2I guess the other 20% still remember where they came from.
      • Pimptastic, on 10/10/2007, -1/+1We remember where we came from, But this is our country now.
  • UWake911, on 10/10/2007, -2/+3Maybe the American Government could offer a bounty($) on successful prosecution of companies employing illegal aliens, or for the information on where illegal Aliens are living.
  • perish, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3Their laws are just about null considering that the mexi-mafia has almost complete control in almost every locality and runs hundreds, if not thousands of wide-spread kidnapp & extortion schemes each year.

    http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&rlz=1T4ADBR_enUS222US222&q=mexican+extortion+of+us+citizens
  • oldgal, on 10/10/2007, -1/+2If Mexico is so interested in having it's residents become American citizens, why don't we just split Mexico up into 3 or 4 parts and grant them statehood? If we are expected to deal with their liabilities, we might as well have access to their assets.
  • UWake911, on 10/10/2007, -5/+4Another Ideal is copy Israel's Immigration Policy, that of allowing no one in bar Jews. Other words only allow Europeans into America. Also copy Israel's Concrete Walls for the US border.

    Why is the American Government treating its citizens so pathetically by saying wire fences are enough. Build proper concrete walls.
    • JonnyTrombone, on 10/10/2007, -2/+2Non-Jews can live in Israel and become citizens thereof. You just have to live there for three years and have it be your regular home.
      • UWake911, on 10/10/2007, -1/+3You're lying. They regularly reject Black people and others that aren't Jews. Obviously they will allow religious temp migration, for those serving in churches etc.
        • JonnyTrombone, on 10/10/2007, -1/+2Where the ***** did you hear that, dude? KKK.org? No, anyone can become a citizen of Israel. I know a handful of non-Jews who have become Israeli citizens.
    • prammy, on 10/10/2007, -3/+3Yes, lets start the whole whites only thing again. Idiot.
      • UWake911, on 10/10/2007, -2/+2If it's good enough for Israel then why not for America? or for England, or for Canada, or for Australia, etc. Why are Zionists promoting multi races in white nations?
    • JonnyTrombone, on 10/10/2007, -1/+4OH MY GOD! I just saw your submissions! "Kosher Killers" about how the Jews were actually responsible for the Jack the Ripper killings? Brilliant!
    • quaxon, on 10/10/2007, -3/+1*****, if you look at this guys submissions it clearly shows that he is a god-fearing racist redneck.
  • JonnyTrombone, on 10/10/2007, -2/+1Let's just implement Heinlein's (satirical) take on militaristic immigration policy and make everyone living in the US tax-paying citizens, but only allow people to vote/hold office after serving in the military.

    Sure it's a bit fascist, but it -would- prevent war-dodging assholes from starting un-winnable conflicts in inherently hostile areas...
    • p0s3r, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Control your BDS and stay on topic.
      • JonnyTrombone, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3Baby Duck Syndrome?

        I'm just saying, I've yet to see what I would consider to be an actual solution to the US immigration policy problem. Any point of view, from 'there is no problem' to 'keep non-whites out' (thanks, UWake911) can -and has been- expressed. But we are no closer to a reasonable solution acceptable to a majority of Americans. Someone is always vocally upset about every solution offered.
    • pkonink, on 10/10/2007, -1/+3Personally I am completely anti-fascist, but I would favor mandatory military (or peace corps) service for all citizens. I don't think that is a fascist ideal in and of itself. In fact, I think that a compulsory two-year enlistment (like Germany's) would make America less likely to be the fascist dictatorship it seems to be becoming. Crazy, I know.
      • quaxon, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1yea, maybe if america offered its citizens the same things countries with mandatory military service do, such as free education, free healthcare, subsidized housing, etc...
    • an0nymous, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Um. I don't think it was satirical. If you are referring to Starship Troopers the book, it wasn't at all like the movie. Also I love Heinlein (though it always disturbing when you come across the incest themes prevalent in his later work). Yuck.
  • bigp3rm, on 10/10/2007, -1/+5In order for the NWO to work the world leaders need to lower the middle class to the lowest common denominator. They will NEVER remove illegals in mass because cheap labor is working and eroding our way of living. Politicians will continue to use catch phrases like "they do the jobs that no one wants". Illegals do those jobs because they have a lower standard of living and they are happy with it.

    If you don't think the North American Union is in the works do some research. Forces are out to destroy the sovereignty of the United States as we know it, plane and simple. Take a look at how Bush Co has responded to Katrina. When they let all those people rot in the dome they were quick to label them as "refugees". As recently as last week Bush was in New Orleans and used the phrase "We care about this part of the world". Gave me chills..
  • jheftmann, on 10/10/2007, -7/+2BE COMPASSIONATE PEOPLE. It's not that hard to put yourself in someone else's shoes for a minute before you say something ignorant and moronic. ALL of our families immigrated here at one point or another. Instead of trillion dollar wars, we could help people with social programs and still have a budget surplus.
    • kinerry, on 10/10/2007, -0/+5Yes, but they did it LEGALLY you ***** twit
    • shankradio, on 10/10/2007, -1/+3My family made a 3 month boat ride, enduring all the hardships of a 19th century vacation on a floating cattle car. When they arrived in Algiers, LA., (the other port of entry), they had no welfare, free medical care, free education, in-State college tuition, food stamps, credit cards, and would have been deported had they demonstrated in public to demand these things.

      Running across the border, about a 1 hour jog, is not the equivalent. How dare you compare these bums, who can't put their own house in order, to my ancestors who arrived on these shores with nothing. They still managed to learn English, get a job, and put their 11 children through school without going on the dole.

      No decent family would have ever shamed themselves by accepting charity, especially from the government, especially if they had healthy men and women that were capable of working for a living.

      And yet, we have 1000 people per day, swarming across the border to collect all the goodies that the working class in this country produce with their labor. Marxist's bitch about employers "exploiting" the worker. I guess they don't mind Illegal Aliens exploiting the American worker, as long as it isn't one of those "Rich White Guys".
    • an0nymous, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2I understand why they do it. I would do it myself were I in their shoes. It changes nothing.
      Here's the fact: unregulated immigration is injurious to America.
      It's not a matter of compassion but of sound domestic policy.
  • jheftmann, on 10/10/2007, -8/+5It's really gross how most of you just use an article like this as a scapegoat for your own selfishness and racism. Mexican immigrants don't take ***** away from you or your family, wake up. Additionally, you could benefit from learning Spanish and not being one more uncultured American idiot. American's make ignorant remarks about French-Canadians not allowing English in Quebec but are just as willing to do the same thing here.
    • vSuperLuminal, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1You're absolutely correct. Mexican immigrants do not "take ***** away" from me or my family. The illegal aliens from Mexico, however do.
      You're statement about the "uncultured American idiot" is hilarious when you consider the average illegal alien is dressed like he is straight from a 1950's Mexican cowboy movie, can't speak a lick of what is practically the language of global commerce, has an education equal to somewhere between my 5-year-old niece and my 8-year-old nephew, and obviously couldn't care less about the laws of a neighboring country. Yeah, that is exactly the kind of "culture" we need here in the US. Just try to use your brain now and again.
    • an0nymous, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Importing huge amounts of the poverty stricken lowers wages and increases strain on public resources.
      Try taking your child to an LA emergency room sometime.
      Also, I am not a racist. Selfish, perhaps, but that is highly subjective.
  • draculthemad, on 10/10/2007, -6/+3The entire immigration thing is a stupid argument.
    America has always had its vitality continuously invigorated by immigration.
    The "establishment" has always railed about it, but they always lose in the end.
    The middle class actually has negative population growth at the moment.

    They railed against the irish, and before that it was the chinese.
    Both communities have since become cornerstones of modern america.

    "O'reilly" and his ilk just show their own ignorance of history when they scream about the invasion of "brown people!ohnoes!"
    • vSuperLuminal, on 10/10/2007, -0/+6We're not even discussing immigration. Immigration is a key component of the great experiment that is the USA. Immigration is exactly what has made this country great and I agree with you when you say, "America has always had its vitality continuously invigorated by immigration.".
      This discussion is about illegal immigration, illegal aliens, and the hypocrisy Mexican Immigration policy.
  • Influsion, on 10/10/2007, -1/+3This article is completely inaccurate. Read the post by Zaeth here: http://digg.com/political_opinion/Mexican_Constitution_Immigration_Laws_Vs_U_S_Constitution?t=8888210#c8903583

    Buried for being an outright lie.
  • maz2331, on 10/10/2007, -1/+0I like the idea of reciprocity. In dealing with any foriegn nation, our restrictions should match theirs as closely as possible, especially as regards trade and immigration issues. If a country taxes our exports by 30%, we do that with theirs. If our people have to jump through a bunch of hoops to immigrate there, their citizens do the same to come here.
    • FukUrCouch, on 10/10/2007, -1/+0Yes like when americans go to mexico...the united states should ask for the same amount of paperwork it takes to get into maxico when coming to the united states. That would be fair right?
      • shankradio, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3Yes, and Americans entering Mexico should receive, Welfare, free education, free health care, credit cards from the Bank of Mexico, in-State college tuition anywhere in Mexico, food stamps, etc, etc, etc! That would be fair wouldn't it? However, they don't even provide this to their own people, in a country where the richest man in the world lives.
  • lakush, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2The last time I crossed the border from mexico into san diego I was waved through by the border patrol. They had no interest in seeing my "papers" even as I tried to hand them my driver's license. In the past, they would ask me if I am a US citizen, and if I can answer yes, then WELCOME TO CALIFORNIA.
  • sketchstudios, on 10/10/2007, -2/+3come on guys, havent you seen that movie "A Day Without A Mexican" ? we need them, lol
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