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- jmk4422, on 01/01/2008, -11/+156FTA: "...this sort of lawless behavior has become standard practice since Sept. 11, 2001." Sadly, it seems to me the Times is 100% correct here. And if our country is no longer what it was before 9/11, and has gotten worse as a result of 9/11, couldn't it be reasonably argued that the terrorists are winning... or may even have one? It's sad but I think Bin Laden accomplished with one attack what no country, no army, no empire had ever accomplished before: he turned the "home of the brave" into the "home of the cowards" who now value security more than liberty.
- sensoukami, on 01/01/2008, -3/+69It's a shame really. America, despite it's many many flaws, is a great idea that's swirling down the *****. And that really is too bad, because A) there are a lot of good people in the US (both Left and Right) and B) it's done a lot of good and is capable of a lot of good. But down the ***** you are most certainly going. Having said that, it's not too late, but I think the political system has become too ossified, and the people either too partisan or too ignorant. I hope I'm wrong, but I fear I am not.
- JDenigma, on 01/01/2008, -6/+54Hey, I'm an American and I have no problem laughing at what you said. Frankly, we deserve to be ridiculed. To be fair though, the whole damn human race deserves to be ridiculed, not just Americans.
- jaymzdean, on 01/01/2008, -3/+50How old were you when you realized professional wrestling was fake?
- lukas88, on 01/01/2008, -3/+41It is counterproductive to get caught up in if the terrorists won. If we have lost anything, it is not because of the terrorists but because of our own ignorance. We sought security and traded our freedom for it. It was our choice. We did this, not Bin Laden.
Another mistake would be assuming that it is irreversible. One of the perks of being human is that we can learn from our mistakes. Freedom is something that must be reclaimed every once in a while. Fortunately, we have one of the best forms of governments for doing such a thing. If that doesn't work, we can get it back the old-fashioned way. In other words, its not over. - CrazyArcher, on 01/01/2008, -3/+36I'm not left. I'm not right. I am an American.
- inactive, on 01/01/2008, -28/+56Looking at America...I see dumb fat people.
- Groovemaster, on 01/01/2008, -1/+26Very good point. Everyone knows professional wrestling is fake, but the vast majority still honestly believe the US political system is anything but a clumsily organized front for a dictatorial oligarchy.
- DangerCollie, on 01/01/2008, -0/+25I remember a town hall meeting locally, just after 9-11. Two people who stood up to talk really stuck in my mind. One was a single mother of two kids who blubbered through her whole time, asking who was going to protect her. The other was a gentleman who said he was willing to give up all of his privacy if it would make us more secure. Both got a lot of support from the people there that day. I was disgusted. When did the Unite States of America, the most powerful nation on the planet, turn into such a bunch of sniveling, blubbering, gutless, self-centered little twits? Our forefathers, who put everything on the line to challenge one of the most powerful nations on the planet at that time, would be saddened and ashamed.
We knew about the hijackers before 9-11. We knew and didn't act on the information we had. We knew without the unPatriot Act, without wiretapping Americans, without Homeland Security. We knew and did nothing. And then we went to town hall meetings and bawled into a microphone about who's going to protect us. We put an incompetent, undeserving draft dodger back in the White House because we were still afraid three years later. Disgusting.
By our behavior we have demonstrated we no longer deserve to be the most powerful nation on earth. We're too willing to abuse that power if we think the ends justify the means. To waste it chasing shadows and rumors in foreign lands because we're angry and afraid. We no longer have the collective character to lead the world. Maybe we can get it back, some day. Maybe our kids will grow up and shake off the coddling, over-protective sissification my generation seems so determined to enforce. - roystgnr, on 01/01/2008, -2/+27This sort of lawless behavior has been standard practice for longer than I've been alive. What's changed recently (most dramatically when Bush admitted to making unwarranted wiretaps on conversations of US citizens) is that the criminals no longer fear prosecution or impeachment for making their crimes public.
- Groovemaster, on 01/01/2008, -3/+27"couldn't it be reasonably argued that the terrorists are winning... or may even have one?"
The terrorists have won, and they're not who you seem to think they are.
Switch off your TV. The same corporate interests who are driving America into the ground are using the mainstream media to drive a false reality into your brain. - matthewtb, on 01/01/2008, -5/+24Bush = worst Prez ever
- CrazyArcher, on 01/01/2008, -1/+19WHAT!?!?
- jimohagan, on 01/01/2008, -3/+20And yet we are still called upon in times of world crisis, the first to offer help. You know I remember all the aid that came from the Sudan when Hurricane Katrina came through. . . wait, they didn't send anything? This country has always had flaws. Teddy Roosevelt fomented a revolt in Colombia to build the Panama Canal. There is the repeated genocide against the native americans. There was the internment of the Japanese citizens in WWII. We supported the White Russians against the Reds in Commie Revolution. We picked a fight with the Mexicans to gain territory in the southwest and California (after gold was discovered).
The flaws of the US is nothing new, just more pronounced because of the abilities of Mass Media and Bloggers to keep a never ending news cycle where everyone is the reporter. - inactive, on 01/01/2008, -10/+27The only people in the World that don't see the U.S. is a failed State, is the American people.
- mattyd12466, on 01/01/2008, -0/+17"How are we the home of the cowards? We are out fighting a war on foreign soil."
is not the army who are the cowards, but the people who put them in the situation they are currently in. - inactive, on 01/01/2008, -9/+25NYT sure let Judy Miller get away with murder. Don't ever forget THAT b itch.
- inactive, on 01/01/2008, -0/+15Yup, we send our professional army to Iraq while we go to the mall, and to put the icing on the cake of our cowardice, we don't even pay for the war! We run the war on borrowed money that our children will have to pay back!
Does that sound like bravery or cowardice? - JDenigma, on 01/01/2008, -6/+21Actually, the more I read comments like his, the more anti-state period I become. It's not a left/right thing with me. You're committing the same fallacy as him.
- doctorfungi, on 01/01/2008, -3/+17Bill Kristol is a neoconservative you jackass.
- Tomboys, on 01/01/2008, -7/+21The more I read comments like this. The further to the left I go.
- telesophic, on 01/01/2008, -2/+15Wow, might've been nice to see this article back in, I dunno, maybe 2003, 2004, 2005 ....
- vornan19, on 01/01/2008, -6/+18I had a problem with the first sentence (last paragraph). The 2000 Election was finagled. The 2004 Election was stolen.
"We can only hope that this time, unlike 2004, American voters will have the wisdom to grant the awesome powers of the presidency to someone who has the integrity, principle and decency to use them honorably". - shaelen, on 01/01/2008, -5/+17"Better the pride that resides
In a citizen of the world
Than the pride that divides
When a colorful rag is unfurled"
Rush - TheSavant, on 01/01/2008, -1/+13Bush is and has been wrong in everything he does.
The economy is close to ruin now. We can't trust anyone.
A jab at Clinton is ridiculous. We are NOT in this mess due to Clinton. - JDenigma, on 01/01/2008, -3/+14Rotzooi,
How's that good ole red vs. blue map of America you carry around with you proudly? It must feel great thinking collectivist thoughts in seeing yourself as a member of a "team" and being in a joyful state of ignorant bliss. - oddjobsbowler, on 01/01/2008, -4/+15Here is what I have to say about that argument. If they really wanted to fight us over here then let them. If we had fought them over here this ***** would be over by now.
- inactive, on 01/01/2008, -4/+14True.
- motters, on 01/01/2008, -4/+14Nixon's administration was saintly by comparison.
- inactive, on 01/01/2008, -0/+10Neoconservative is a nonsensical locution. Its apparent meaning as a result of its parts is antithetical to its accepted meaning as a whole.
There is nothing conservative about the neoconservative movement. Conservatism has always been a designation for limited governmental interference in the lives of the citizenry and economic frugality. The neocons are 180 degrees skewed away from those characteristics.
We need to think about semantics in American politics. Words ARE important. We say liberal and we mean something totally different, we say conservative and we mean fascist. Lets use words more wisely - dirtkahuna, on 01/01/2008, -7/+17I appreciate what the times is doing here, but I have to wonder: Why did they just hire the neo-con-poop Bill Kristol as a columnist?
- Diggity75, on 01/01/2008, -0/+10It would be nice if it wasn't so damned difficult to care about politics in this country. Why isn't election day a national holiday where almost everything shuts down but the polls? Why do we keep the majority of the working public working at jobs they can't leave to vote, because they don't have time on their lunch due to increasingly shorter lunch breaks and extremely long unconvenient lines at the booths?
Conspiracy or stupidity? - secrity, on 01/01/2008, -4/+13Some of us do see it, the problem is that the people who see it are totally demoralized.
- CrazyArcher, on 01/01/2008, -2/+11Every day, it gets closer to us getting it back the "old-fashioned way".
- ejpusa, on 01/01/2008, -10/+19This editorial will be required reading for every grad school journalism class for the next 100 years. A BRILLIANT piece of writing.
- averagemario, on 01/01/2008, -1/+9"libtard" is so 2007. You fail.
- sensoukami, on 01/01/2008, -5/+13Word! Cold ***** or warm *****, that's the choice between Dems and Repugs. I can understand that people are tired of the Ron Paul spam on Digg, but at least he represents something different than those two packs of *****....
- pintomp3, on 01/01/2008, -3/+11epic fail. bill kristol is a lefty liberal? do you have him confused with billy crystal? bill kristol is a hard core neocon zionist. his father founded the neocon movement and he founded PNAC.
- EarlOfLade, on 01/01/2008, -3/+11When did you ever meet an alcoholic who admits to being one?
- gypsynuke, on 01/01/2008, -0/+8You're saying that the ones with the most to lose aren't living their lives in fear of terrorists, and instead are more concerned with our rights as Americans. But in a bad way. That doesn't make any sense.
- MtheoryX, on 01/01/2008, -2/+9Forgive me for appearing ignorant and unimaginative...but what, precisely, is it that you feel we are too cowardly to do? Specifics, please. Where do we go, what do we do, when, and to whom?
I hear people like you bitching that there's too much talk and not enough action. I am kindly asking, what action, exactly, are you looking for? - DogBotherer, on 01/01/2008, -2/+9"couldn't it be reasonably argued that the terrorists are winning... or may even have one?" - At least they don't have two or three, that'd be really scary!
- putamare, on 01/01/2008, -0/+7No... Cheney, Rumsfeld, and a number of others were part of the Nixon administration.
- inactive, on 01/01/2008, -2/+9Wait, did you really just blame Clinton for USA's mess?
- jmk4422, on 01/01/2008, -1/+8Yeah yeah yeah, I messed up. Sue me.
- crapmatic, on 01/01/2008, -11/+18When paired with info on the Bush administration, it should be written "War on Terra". That gives proper credit not only to the gum-smacking way Bush speaks the phrase, but also to the war on Terra: i.e. the planet and its people.
- LloydDobbler, on 01/01/2008, -3/+10"...mpossible to see the founding principles of the greatest democracy in the contempt these men and their bosses showed for the Constitution, the rule of law and human decency."
Funny how quickly people a) forget that we live in a republic, not a democracy (the founding principles were written based on a well-founded FEAR of democracy),
and b) selectively choose what defines 'contempt for the Constitution.' Is corporate welfare contempt for the constitution? How about HeadStart? How about Medicaid? How about any other social program, or earmark?
The Bush administration has been egregious in its removal of freedoms under the Constitution...but Congress has been, at best, complicit in that abuse. And Congress's OWN abuses of the Constitution's limits of Federal power has been 10 times that of the Bush administration, since...well, pretty much forever. - michaelb1, on 01/02/2008, -0/+6Actually Clintons predessor and his Sec Def. Dick Cheney began the military reduction.
The cold war was over. We could and did use that money for other purposes. - NeuroSlappy, on 01/01/2008, -1/+7Who cares, it's time to change the bird cage paper anyway. More of the same coming with a different face, unless, unless, is that a blimp over head?
- LloydDobbler, on 01/01/2008, -2/+8...and the millions of people waiting in line (and breaking in line) to immigrate to the U.S.
Wonder why that is? How many people are trying to get into your country because it would afford them a better life, tufftugg? -
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