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Lieberman: Critics Of Bush’s Iraq Policy Are Engaging ‘In Harassment'

thinkprogress.org — Lieberman blasted the majority of his Senate colleagues who have voted to begin a phased withdrawal from Iraq. Lieberman said, “I say to them…you ought to be fighting to cut the funding off instead of entering into a kind of harassment that’s involved now.” He said Bush’s escalation plan ought to go forward “without us back biting."

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  • Lelo34, on 10/12/2007, -19/+57When dealing with trying to end a war that is resulting in the deaths of thousands of innocent people, shouldn't we use whatever method we can think of to attempt to end it?

    Harassment? God forbid somebody is BOTHERED about the Iraq war.

    The man slides further into Zell Miller territory

    What a douche
  • shootdashit, on 10/12/2007, -13/+41Dear Joe,

    You dick. The American people voted to get out the war last year. That is democracy. You and Bush are against that process obviously, because you're completely ignoring it. It doesn't matter if you disagree with us or think you know better. We had our say. You are ruling us, and on behalf of at least a few of my friends who care about this country's well-being and political process...***** off.


    thanks,
    another disappointed american
  • hawkeye17, on 10/12/2007, -13/+36Joe cares only about one thing and one thing only....Joe. He's become a political whore who's sold himself to the Republicans. This man is a disgrace.
  • Junkyarddawg, on 10/12/2007, -7/+24What amazes me is how a guy who's views are more republican than most republicans, and who is more unquestioningly loyal to Bush than most republicans... can call himself an independent democrat.
  • mitrovarr, on 10/12/2007, -9/+23"Pulling US troops out won't end the war. It will cause it to escalate."

    That may be true, but I tend to think that the longer we stay, the worse it will be - and that it can't be prevented.
  • hcl40u, on 10/12/2007, -7/+18Lieberman and Bush are like old pals.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Liebermanbushkiss.gif
  • goosepillows, on 10/12/2007, -7/+17Joe Lieberman is a coward. As a public official, he has done nothing to improve the lives of the Republic. He is a career politician in ever sense of the phrase, a completely worthless entity, who only survives to improve his own social standing. I am disgusted by him, and those who behave like him.
  • shawnfassett, on 10/12/2007, -10/+19Tell me there is some sort of organized-grassroots effort in CT to pull this man back from the brink...he works for them, they need to remind his office of this. Also, should we start pulling his quotes from his runoff election with Ned Lamont? Flip to the flop.
  • inactive, on 10/29/2007, -11/+20Actually, Joe cares about more than himself. His voting record speaks for itself, since 2000 he has almost always voted with the Republicans & has even recently stated that he may join the Rep party. That's who he cares about. He has been a double agent for over six years!
  • shaelen, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9God forbid the American people should have any say in what King Bush decides to do.

    The situation in Iraq is already at the lowest level, pulling out the troops won't make anything worse. Right now, American troops are fighting and dying in a civil war that was not so "warlike" before they arrived. Both sides were living on the same streets, even marrying each other, before the U.S. troops arrived. We've made things worse, and things can't get any worse than they are now by us leaving. We've spent 4 years.. 3,000 American lives, and billions of dollars on this "war." We've given it more than enough time to "get better." It will never get better with us there.
  • Dumbledorito, on 10/12/2007, -7/+14"Pulling US troops out won't end the war. It will cause it to escalate."

    Nah. It's going to escalate anyway. The Turks are demanding to be allowed to put the smack down on the PKK (a Kurdish liberation terrorist group) operating out of Northern Iraq (currently the most stable and democratic part of Iraq, and has been since the no-fly zone was established after Gulf War I).

    Bush will either allow the PKK to continue operations (turning a blind eye to terrorism) or let the Turks go blow some people up, opening the flood gates for Iraq's other neighbors to let themselves in for "security" reasons.

    This thing's going to go even more pear-shaped with or without our troops caught in the middle.
  • jstohler, on 10/12/2007, -11/+16What the Iraq War needs is some Joementum!
  • rockforever, on 10/12/2007, -11/+16"Pulling US troops out won't end the war. It will cause it to escalate."

    For who? Color me heartless, but I don't care about the Iraqi people anymore than Bush does, the only difference is my plan doesn't involve American Troops dying for no reason. War in the Middle East is inevitable. Leave troops or pull em, no difference, death will happen. If we really wanted Democracy over there, the majority of people would vote for us to get out an instate a regime that would not see eye to eye with us on most secular views. So what do we want with them? Oil? A better striking point at Iran? I don't care. The majority of the American public doesn't know why we are over there, so why should we pour our money into that country? Pull the troops out, if only to save ONE of the servicemen that would die in the fighting.
  • SOULEVENT, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5@diegopnazis
    wishing death on people is just ***** stupid, they have enough problems and so do we, we dont need your deathwishes, cuz guess what, your death is gonna come eventually to.

    @usercc
    So you are asking God to bless your support of lies? ...or are you asking God to bless your illegal war? ...or are you asking God to bless the wallets of those getting rich off of the war? ...or are you asking go to bless and make your version of "Patriotism" real?

    You can be offended and pick me apart all you want, but I am equally offended that YOU people keep invoking God and acting like he's guaranteeing you Blessings in all of these vile things you are supporting.

    I dont think you have the first clue about God, Jesus Christ, or Patriotism...but you definately have a clue about being a mouthpiece for the people who have subverted democracy and I guess your pretty good at USING God, Jesus, and "patriotism" to brainwash yourself and others like you into believing this "President" hasnt committed CRIMES against this country.

    I strongly suggest you go re-read (if youve ever even read it once) the New Testement...sorry if I hurt your feelings a little bit, but I just happen to believe that you and people like you have decided to interpret the Bible in reverse and you decided that lying, killing and making money in Gods name deserves blessing.

    In short, I think you should be saying...God forgive America and God forgive Joe Lieberman...in that order.

    Spirit of Truth is the Helper, not the Spirit of War, or the Spirit of Money, or the Spirit of Patriotism...learn that!!!
  • foamweapons, on 10/12/2007, -8/+11Lieberman was the story of the 2006 election. The most pro-establishment politician in the entire Senate defeated a very capable and strong grassroots candidate.

    It shows that America is still *****. We'll be in Iraq till after 2010, inflation will start to soar when other countries stop supporting our huge deficit, and nothing will be done to help the environment. We're so screwed.

  • inactive, on 10/12/2007, -4/+7Lieberman wants the Iraq-Israel oil pipeline to be completed before any pullout begins.
  • xxiao, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5It's all about Jewish. If you want to fight for Israel go there now! USA, after all, is a different country, don't fool us and we know what you're talking about and what you really mean.
  • bemenaker, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4Mikenielson, since you are trumpeting our economy so much, why don't you factor in the money we borrowed from China to pay for this war. When you factor in the enormous debt we have, no, the economy is not that good. What is the value of the dollar on the world market nowadays? In 2000 the dollar was worth what 1.35 euros, what is it now, like 0.85 euros. Compare the dollar to the Yen in 2000 to now.

    Please bury the previous duplicate of this, i posted it in the wrong thread.
  • THEYEARWAS2081, on 10/12/2007, -7/+10mikelieman:
    I live in DC and daven in Senator Lieberman's shul. I cannot comment on the level of the Senator's religiosity, but I can directly respond to your ignorant assertions. First, my understanding is that Senator Lieberman walks to the Capital on Shabbos. I have seen him making the trek myself (there are a number of Hill staffers in our shul who make the same walk many weeks). Second, although I am not a Rabbi, there are a number of Halachic rationales for permitting government officials to vote and debate on Shabbat. Please educate yourself before you jump to conclusions. While I'm sure many disagree with the heteirim- it is worse than ignorant to imply that those who rely on the heteirm are definitively Shabbos violators. And just for good measure- Senator Lieberman completed shiva a number of months ago. Over his shiva he attended morning minyan most mornings (I assume those mornings he was not present he was out of town). I know that the Senator arranged mincha minyanim at the Capital during his shiva (I don't know about maariv) and that his staff would arrange minyanim to accommodate his needs as he travel led the globe on official business.
    We all have enough information to attack the Senator's position on the war, none of us have enough information to attack the Senator's level of religious observance.
  • EndersGame, on 10/12/2007, -6/+8He didn't say it was an endorsement for his policy. He was telling Lieberman to ***** off because Lieberman was telling us we couldn't criticize Bush for the war. It doesn't matter who said it or what position they hold, we are going to tell them to ***** off. You are the moron.
  • HomerS1, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Your statements (e is a career politician in ever sense of the phrase, ..., who only survives to improve his own social standing") apply to about 90% of all members of Congress.

    The other 10% simply have not been in office long enough to be considered 'career' politicians :-)

    I'm beginning to like Arthur C Clarke's idea (per Songs of Distant Earth if memory serves) that anyone who actually wants to serve as a representative is disqualified from service (reps are randomly selected from population and serve one and only one term).
  • DCMacHead, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Lieberman has balls that clank--not bad for a Democrat.
  • JimDinger, on 10/12/2007, -4/+6Why the digg down? He spoke the truth,maybe in this topic is was wrong but he has a point
  • jsffive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4I want to know why Joe Lieberman, usually a pawn of the insurance industy, continues to push this war?
  • MSF2, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3So free speech is called harassment now?
  • amoirae, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2The character he's playing is the clueless alzheimer's patient.
  • Oldfart2, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3Lieberman needs to register as a foreign agent and resign his position.
  • slimnickyy, on 10/12/2007, -5/+6Harassment? Oh please, the president is supposed to take responsibility for his action and the actions of his administration. If he feels harassed, too freakin' bad. Do us all a favor then and quit! I hate the Clinton-Bush comparatives, but I'd call the witch hunt by the GOP over Clinton's blow job harassing. Get over it Joe!
  • mikelieman, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1"Third, I don't know where the Senator was on the date you specify. That you think you are scoring points against me with such stupidity makes me doubt you rationality."

    Go check the records for the Senate for that Saturday.

  • 1337Einstein, on 10/12/2007, -4/+5It's almost like Jack (stop harassing me!) Thompson managed to make his way into the Senate. I'm not sure whether I should run around screaming or just quietly accept the fact that we're all *****.
  • mikelieman, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2p.s: Hypocrites can find any number of Halachic rationales to enable themselves.

    Heck if you make the call to Lieberman early enough this morning, you can even respond today!
  • mikelieman, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Five Hours Later...

    Well, when people are called out on their hypocritical acts, they tend to just fold, and disappear.

    Would have been nice if you cared enough about what you said, when you called me ignorant, to actually follow up on your statements.

    I'll accept your silence on this as just more coward and hypocrite running away when challenged, ok?

  • m3mn0n, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Israeli interests. He's a Zionist Jew after all.
  • bemenaker, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3Mikenielson, since you are trumpeting our economy so much, why don't you factor in the money we borrowed from China to pay for this war. When you factor in the enormous debt we have, no, the economy is not that good. What is the value of the dollar on the world market nowadays? In 2000 the dollar was worth what 1.35 euros, what is it now, like 0.85 euros. Compare the dollar to the Yen in 2000 to now.
  • theunscene, on 10/12/2007, -9/+10I love how politicians will say just about anything to get a headline because they haven't been in the press for a week.
  • inactive, on 10/12/2007, -5/+6Joey is loyal to Israel first....AIPAC all the way. This should not be surprising as Israel has run the USA for years now.

    Americans need to get used to paying tribute to Israel.
  • Verchiel77, on 10/12/2007, -11/+12Yeah he works for the Republicans among them. They elected him after the GOP sawed off their own party's candidate at the knees. Rape Gurney Joe never even made it out of the primary.
  • rabbitracer, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1it's not possible to vote now congress does not have that power all they could do is vote to stop funding it and hope bush brings the troops back which would likely not happen so all the troops would be left over there with no funding and everyone would blame and demonize congress
  • zclip, on 10/12/2007, -3/+4And to think this guy almost got elected as VP to Gore. He's loosing it.
  • ephemerae, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2@shaelen "It can't get any worse than it is now. "

    No, unfortunately, it's a fact of life that it can ALWAYS get worse.

    Leiberman is a freaking closet Republican. He should come out, already - then maybe we'll actually have a chance of having a Democrat back in the White House.
  • rabbitracer, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1oops
  • spock627corfu, on 10/12/2007, -3/+3The fact that an unknown beat an multi-term incumbent in the primary was pretty amazing. Joe toned down his warmongering ways to get through the general election but, now that he's in office, he's back to supporting AIPAC any way he can.

    I don't understand the far right. The war in Iraq has clearly weakened our economy and out military, and still they call for more.
  • THEYEARWAS2081, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0mikeleiman:
    To start, I want to correct my last comment- the Senator's diligence about prayer did not last just during his shiva (the seven days following the death on a close relative), but his entire year of aveilut (a full year following the death of a close relative).
    Okay- to the issue at hand- you may interpret my silence however you please. You would advised, however, to be a bit more patient as some people here, despite their love for digg, do other things too. I get the sense from the way you express yourself that you are a bit of a wacko, but it doesn't cost me anything to respond- so here goes.
    First, the question is not what is acceptable according to your mother, father, and rabbi. The question is whether you understand enough about halachah to realize that there can be differences of opinion without one side calling the other unobservant. As you probably know, many well respected rabbis believe owning a computer is halachicaly forbidden. I assume that you disagree with them. I also assume you would think them fools if they called you unobservant as a result.
    Second, halacha provides a number of basis for permiting Senator Lieberman to vote and debate on Shabbat. To keep things simple- look at the shulchan aruch at siman shin-vav (chapter 306) and the Mishna Berura simman shin-vav, sieph chaf-chet (chapter 306, note 28). It says very explicitly there that, when necessary, it is permitted to work for the public good on Shabbat. There is debate over exactly the types of things a public servant may do on Shabbat, but debating and voting are well within even the more strict rabbinic interpretations. Again, your mother, father, and local rabbi may not condone the Senator's doing such work on Shabbat. They are permitted- no, they are obligated- to follow their conscience. You, however, are an idiot if you believe that no one could legitimately interpret the Shulchan Aruch and the Mishna Berura to permit the Senator's shabbat activity. (For those who are unaware, the two sources I cited are THE authorities on ashkenazic jewish law. Anything that is written today about jewish law will use their holdings as a starting point)
    Third, I don't know where the Senator was on the date you specify. That you think you are scoring points against me with such stupidity makes me doubt you rationality.
    Fourth, if you are going to respond to this comment, please do so intelligently. Please don't tell me what you BELIEVE is halachic and please don't tell me about the things you were taught in pre-school. I understand that you may differ with my opinion. That is fine. But please don't tell me that anyone who disagrees with your interpretation is unobservant.
  • an0nymous, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2@mike and theyearwas
    Without sarcasm or irony: that was a fascinating exchange.
  • THEYEARWAS2081, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0mikeleiman:
    To start, I want to correct my last comment- the Senator's diligence about prayer did not last just during his shiva (the seven days following the death on a close relative), but his entire year of aveilut (a full year following the death of a close relative).
    Okay- to the issue at hand- you may interpret my silence however you please. You would advised, however, to be a bit more patient as some people here, despite their love for digg, do other things too. I get the sense from the way you express yourself that you are a bit of a wacko, but it doesn't cost me anything to respond- so here goes.
    First, the question is not what is acceptable according to your mother, father, and rabbi. The question is whether you understand enough about halachah to realize that there can be differences of opinion without one side calling the other unobservant. As you probably know, many well respected rabbis believe owning a computer is halachicaly forbidden. I assume that you disagree with them. I also assume you would think them fools if they called you unobservant as a result.
    Second, halacha provides a number of basis for permiting Senator Lieberman to vote and debate on Shabbat. To keep things simple- look at the shulchan aruch at siman shin-vav (chapter 306) and the Mishna Berura simman shin-vav, sieph chaf-chet (chapter 306, note 28). It says very explicitly there that, when necessary, it is permitted to work for the public good on Shabbat. There is debate over exactly the types of things a public servant may do on Shabbat, but debating and voting are well within even the more strict rabbinic interpretations. Again, your mother, father, and local rabbi may not condone the Senator's doing such work on Shabbat. They are permitted- no, they are obligated- to follow their conscience. You, however, are an idiot if you believe that no one could legitimately interpret the Shulchan Aruch and the Mishna Berura to permit the Senator's shabbat activity. (For those who are unaware, the two sources I cited are THE authorities on ashkenazic jewish law. Anything that is written today about jewish law will use their holdings as a starting point)
    Third, I don't know where the Senator was on the date you specify. That you think you are scoring points against me with such stupidity makes me doubt you rationality.
    Fourth, if you are going to respond to this comment, please do so intelligently. Please don't tell me what you BELIEVE is halachic and please don't tell me about the things you were taught in pre-school. I understand that you may differ with my opinion. That is fine. But please don't tell me that anyone who disagrees with your interpretation is unobservant.
  • m3mn0n, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1well said.
  • SOULEVENT, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2religious what? dude, who cares what he is, he is a mouthpiece for Bush now and cares more about Isreal than America...how bout you Defect Sen. Lieberman, this COUNTRY doesnt ***** need your sorry whiney ass anymore...

    BTW, you were the GAYEST ***** candidate I ever saw run for office, and after Quayle that is saying alot.
  • SOULEVENT, on 10/12/2007, -3/+3I dont think anyone supporting this President should be telling Congress what they can and cant do...obviously they can write a bill And if Mr. ***** Crybaby wants to feel like its harassment, good, he deserves some harrassment after being the biggest lying piece of ***** this country has ever had in the White House...

    In short, maybe he should see it as Himself and his Cult of FM being given a chance to do the right thing and stop murdering Americans for Profit.

    And dont babble about Freedom and Democracy...our Soldiers are NOT defending America as you say, they are defending George Bush and his vile supporters ONLY.
  • m3mn0n, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Get a room.
  • Monk22, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1can you cite anything about these lies or are we just throwing accusations around
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