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- Karmashock, on 04/09/2009, -50/+108Her basic argument was that "if the media disagrees with the protest then it shouldn't report it."
I mean... that is LITERALLY her argument. When asked why she didn't think it should be covered she said "what are you guys whining about"... Which means she believes her questioning of the protest's validity renders it unfit for reporting.
Now, that is an interesting stand point because it makes it very clear that she's taking responsibility for what the news actually is on a given day. She's saying that the media doesn't just report what happens but reports what it wants to report.
Now some level of that is both unavoidable and healthy but she seems to be taking it to extremes that are easily exploited. I think any fair minded person would look at this argument and conclude that she's really justifying bias.
The point is bigger then the tea party and bigger then Obama. It goes to the core of the very role of a major institution in our society. The question becomes "what is the media"... because if her version is what the media is, then it's not worthy of nearly all the prestige and status it has in our society. It is expected to serve as the reporter of the truth... the seeker of mysteries... guardian of the public consciousness. I mean, these are literally roles we put in their hands and if they don't take them serious then we have to reevaluate our relationship with the media. At some point it seems our news people became tabloid writers. Do we have any news people left?
It's the editors of these organizations that are ultimately supposed to safe guard these institutions... I'd look there first if we've got a problem. - Spart666, on 04/10/2009, -23/+80Well if Neil Cavuto says it's not about party politics, then it must be true.
- tavallai, on 04/10/2009, -17/+50"I like to pay taxes. With them, I buy civilization."
- Oliver Wendell Holmes - anxcaptain, on 04/10/2009, -9/+39all of the sudden people that protest are activist, and not america hating extremist. big surprise.
- kegwin, on 04/10/2009, -11/+38I really like how it ended. "One trillion for bank bailouts, fifty billion for auto manufactures..." I seem to remember that those happened under Bush. Also, I seem to remember that Bush told the American people that we had to do this. I don't know where people at Fox get this stuff. "Fair and Balanced" my ass.
- inactive, on 04/10/2009, -27/+51People being fed up with the government doing WHAT?
Are you ***** serious? Yes, it is a partisan thing, because only republicans are complaining, and it's not because democrats are stupid. She's right, man.
What are you afraid of NOW after an 8 year ***** that you never complained about, with government getting bigger and bigger before your eyes? Yeah, real BIG government, as in, the people's privacy and freedom going OUT THE ***** WINDOW because of "fear of terrorism".
And now, the government wants to go after corporations and rich ruling class who fed on the system and fed on YOU and ME to become multibillionaire, and wants to avoid that they abuse the system again, causing the mess we're in partially, and NOW you're standing up... because THEY are complaining at the top? Are you even aware that Bush started the bailout process rolling? It's very suspicious that the real people at the bottom would stand up and complain because the government is making it so hard on the ones at the top, without some kind of brainwashing/second interest going on. That's what makes this tea party thing pathetic. - inactive, on 04/10/2009, -18/+41Tune in again for another thrilling episode of "When Right Wing ***** Whine and Cry"
- BiscuitWorld, on 04/10/2009, -13/+33Where were the tea parties during the first wave of financial bailouts in the fall? How is this not sour grapes bitching from the right, pissed that we have a black president?
- idontlikeyou2, on 04/10/2009, -23/+41Yawn, another fox idiotic talk show host. This asshat was in bed with Bush and will do anything to hinder the current administration.
Lets fix up the summary as well, it's a conservative talk show host. - Jeepy, on 04/10/2009, -16/+32I like how Neil(and the first 30 or so commentators apparently) completely missed the point she was trying to make about the things that caused this in the first place. The previous 5-6 years(eight is a bit of a stretch) have been nothing but deregulation and turning a blind eye to horrible business practices on a monumental level. No one made a peep when the sub prime mortgages started to get out of control THREE YEARS AGO. This is like a bunch of people protesting the fact that their houses burned down instead of being mad at their local jail for releasing a serial arsonist.
He was right about one thing though it's not about party because this wasn't caused by the government. You're not being tax to death you were already robbed blind by the private sector and you're getting mad at the ice cream man for staining your shirt. - mannajar, on 04/10/2009, -0/+16She is explicit where usually the truth is implicit. She is verbalizing what is normally a tacit understanding.
Think of the 'media' as an influential subculture. Faith or belief in this 'institution' is directly proportional to its ability to screw you. - cornlucas, on 04/10/2009, -13/+29Where was Fox News during the Iraq War protests?
- inactive, on 04/09/2009, -11/+25Then it is all up to the people.
The protestors need to film the protests and email the footage, over and over and over, until the media reports on it.
Brute force the mfers. - kegwin, on 04/10/2009, -11/+24Because it is easier to follow other people than to think for yourself.
- kegwin, on 04/10/2009, -6/+18Why? You have one.
- inactive, on 04/10/2009, -14/+26Haw haw haw...typical Fox News reported. But then again, typical gust as well. Protip: turn off the ***** news (all inclusive, CNN, FOX, MSNBC, etc.). News is owned by entertainment industries...Neil Cavuto tries to make it sound like any of these networks have any journalist credibility left. L2history.
- nealparr, on 04/10/2009, -19/+30It's very much about party politics. If you don't think so, you haven't read the signs they bring.
- heatherwight, on 04/09/2009, -16/+27To BillE3: Not only that but California just passed and implemented the biggest sales tax increase EVER in California history. (We know have a 8.75% sales tax when last week it was & 7.75%) Everywhere I go people are shocked by how much more things cost.
- C0ntraRadical, on 04/10/2009, -2/+13The tipping point was a Democrat being elected president. Suddenly Republicans who looked the other way when Bush was spending billions on unnecessary wars have become fiscal conservatives.
How convenient. - inactive, on 04/10/2009, -22/+33You dare bet? Next time you try to sound smart....well, just don't.
- pookydirt, on 04/10/2009, -5/+16Atypical?
Here, let me fix that for you...
"a typical" - drmangrum, on 04/10/2009, -4/+14I'm not a Republican and I'm pissed.
- synapz, on 04/10/2009, -9/+19I'm not republican, and I'm ***** complaining.
- greevar, on 04/10/2009, -2/+11Yes, the government is trying to boil us like a live frog. If they do it slowly enough, we don't even notice that the water is getting hot. Before we know it, we've been boiled.
- drmangrum, on 04/10/2009, -7/+16Party politics or not, he has a point. There are many people, democrats and republicans, who feel incensed over our all the spending, taxes going to failing companies, etc. These people are angry, and rightfully so. To not cover them and to call yourself a reporter is an outright lie. Just because the protesters aren't "sexy" or bleeding doesn't mean they don't deserve some fair air time.
This is EXACTLY the issue everyone has with Fox News over it's lack of coverage with Liberal topics, they ignore them. Here, the Liberal media is doing the same thing. THEY ARE JUST AS BAD. If more people were to see the protest, it might actually gain momentum. Then we might see some real change. - drmangrum, on 04/10/2009, -3/+12The difference is that during the Bush years, all we really had to be angry over was the war. We knew ( for the most part) where our taxes were going. We weren't happy about it, in fact, most of us were down right angry, but we knew where the money was being wasted.
Now, we're still in Iraq. Afghanistan is being ramped up. We're giving BILLIONS of dollars to individual COMPANIES who treating US unfairly. Companies that have managed to be bring the world economy to a screeching halt. We have massive unemployment that is rising every day.
No, I'm not blaming Obama for all of this. He just stepped up to the plate to try and clean up the mess. That doesn't mean we all agree with how he's doing it. The fact is, it would have been cheaper to just buy these companies and operate them at a loss, not just handing them billions and billions of dollars that we see being spent on relatively frivolous things. Now we're being asked ( and threatened ) to prop up more companies that failed because they have been slow to change and have been operating on a bad business model for decades.
When does it end?
When do the taxpayers stop suffering so some corporate fat cat can keep his Malibu mansion?
People think that if GM fall that all those jobs will suddenly be gone forever? *****, GM will restructure and continue on after bankruptcy. If those factory workers need a job, lets get them working as road and bridge construction repairing and upgrading our aging infrastructure.
I don't know about you, but I'm tired of being lied to. I'm tired of being told doomsday stories. I'm tired of seeing the savings I've accumulated become worth less and less with each passing day. - Alderon, on 04/09/2009, -29/+38The taxes collected on April 15th go to ZERO to pay for the Federal Government and it's programs. The money all goes to pay the Debt to the Federal Reserve.
Hence the deficit - We pay down zero on principal each and every year in DC and continue to run up the debt, thus increasing the interest on the debt.
We need HR 1207 co-sponsored and moved out of the House on to the Senate! Audit the Federal Reserve (private bank) that has ruined this country for 96+ years now.
And this lady is clueless. *wink* - DeviantDragon, on 04/10/2009, -3/+12In Alameda County we have a goddamn 9.75% sales tax now...wtf.
- ironhide, on 04/10/2009, -3/+12"force your will"? It's called the electoral process. If you don't like the way things are run, organize and replace.
Don't have enough people of like mind to do that? Then you don't have enough for that "civil war" you nuts keep ranting about. - firesphotons, on 04/10/2009, -3/+12Republicans love taxes as long as they are spent on foisting religious values on what is supposed to be a free country. They also applaud taxes if they are directed toward more military, you know, as Jesus would have wanted it.
- pintomp3, on 04/10/2009, -3/+12Why didn't Fox News promote the anti Iraq war protests? They barely covered them.
- inactive, on 04/10/2009, -5/+14How is this not about party?
I am typically against big government, but Bush failed to prove "small government" works. Also, Obama president less than 100 days, etc etc etc etc..... - govsucks, on 04/10/2009, -12/+21@DasTroll
Well you live up to your name. Now scurry back under your bridge, shave your palms and take a bath you collectivist piece of *****. - BillE3, on 04/09/2009, -42/+50Poor choice for that foolish woman to use California as an example. Our state income tax is one of the highest, our sales taxes are up over 14% in one year and Sacramento and our (Republican ???) Governator is talking even more tax increases.
She does not even know much about her own home states economy and taxation, yet she pretends to be a qualified journalist. - markgl, on 04/10/2009, -5/+13Yeah right spending it on me. Funny. All this money being spent does nothing for me. I'm that worker that is having his money taken away and given to others. You think I should be grateful? Hell no.
Don't dump on me and call me names for not wanting my money to goto banks just to have it sent overseas to other countries. Don't call me names because I don't want my money to be given to those who don't contribute one ounce of themselves to society and are waiting for the government to give them a house, big screen tv, free health care and a soft cushion to rest their lazy ass on. - tgc1, on 04/10/2009, -1/+9You know, one of these days when people quit squabbling over stupid ***** like which party is at fault, or which president, or which side of the congress etc... they're going to look around and realize they're all flat broke, living on borrowed time, and one bad ***** away from having their job offshored to another country. That'll be about the time the party ends for everyone. When all the rich ***** who ruined the country move to Dubai or wherever and start things off again new.
When are people going to wake up. This is not a partisan issue. This is a government out of ***** control issue. If the last 8 years didn't paint the picture clear enough for you, the bailouts should. IT doesn't matter who the ***** they put in the white house or in the congress. They're all the same. And they DO NOT WORK FOR YOU. When the hell are people going to wake up? Unless you're a banker, or a billionaire you don't mean ***** in those circles. Neither does your opinion.
And this sorry excuse for a journalist (the woman) needs to get her thumb out of her ass and report the ***** news. The news is not what you WANT to report. Albeit mainstream news these days is about business, not about news. They report whatever the hell will get people to tune in. IT has very little to do, anymore, with telling the truth. - LilJimmyNordin, on 04/10/2009, -3/+11The reason Fox is covering this so heavily is because it's their creation. Ninety percent of the people wasting their time with these retarded protests don't have the slightest understanding of macroeconomics and the other ten percent are Republican media shills like Cavuto, Rush, O'Reilly and Hannity. The media will largely ignore this because everyone sees it for what it is- a cooked-up, irrelevant, Republican-sponsored hissy-fit. Have fun at your tea parties, dopes. The rest of us will get a warm bottle and soft bankie ready for when you tucker yourselves out.
- greevar, on 04/10/2009, -4/+11No, they are spending it to keep their rich friends, that buy their elections for them, from becoming middle class citizens.
- Peekman, on 04/10/2009, -2/+9I thought it was because there is a demand for it?..... People watch/listen to what they want to see/hear..... there's nothing wrong with it....
- FearlessFreep, on 04/10/2009, -0/+7"Doesn't mean media will deem it newsworthy"
No but you can get the 'news' out to the populous, bypassing what the media deems as newsworthy - TheSwashbuckler, on 04/10/2009, -9/+16"has nothing to do with party politics."
If that were true there would have been "Tea Parties" during the Bush years, but we didn't.
If that were true we wouldn't have seen domains like ChicagoTeaParty.com registered before the election but only become active AFTER the election.
This is ALL about party politics and anyone that doesn't recognize that is just fooling themselves. - inactive, on 04/10/2009, -4/+11The problem here folks is that every example of 'tax increases' that are presented so far in this thread are done by the states. The President has not increased taxes as of yet. I find it interesting that the teabaggers are protesting the President, (the leader of the Federal Government), while their state governments, both Democrat and Republican, and their state senates are the ones increasing taxes...
- SolitaireRose, on 04/10/2009, -11/+18:Let's see: Fox News is supporting it, it's being pushed by right wing radio, Fox Hosts are actually Throwing tea-bagging parties (and Good Lord, I don't want to see Bill O'Reilly teabag anyone, and RNC Chair Steele is EVERYWHERE telling people to join in.
You're right. It has nothing to do with the party out of power stirring up outrage that their 2001 tax cuts are about to expire. - DeviantDragon, on 04/10/2009, -2/+9Bush was not really a small government president.
- inactive, on 04/09/2009, -106/+113I couldn't watch the whole thing.
That lady (and I use the term loosely) could not grasp that the protests are about people being fed up with the government and has nothing to do with party politics.
I'd dare bet that most of the people participating are probably third party voters (aka libertarians). - BrutePhysics, on 04/10/2009, -2/+9I actually agree and disagree with you on this point. I agree that the news media should not pick and choose. Not because they don't have the right or because it's wrong... after all, they only have so many minutes per show and honestly, I think it's implicit that there are a lot of newsworthy things that don't get put up. (We do have the internet afterall.) I agree because what the media decides to air can drastically change the thought process of the people who DON'T take the time to research on their own, and who think the media is flawless. Those people are the ones you have to worry about.
I disagree though that this was her point. Her point is that this event is not newsworthy because it is most obviously a partisan ploy, and that it is being pushed by Fox News in a partisan manner. She asks multiple times where these tea-party people were during the bush era, where was the outrage in the streets? And why are there so many signs and chants against Obama in particular if the outrage is truly non-partisan? If it was truly non-partisan those things wouldn't happen because someone in the crowd would point out that this has to do with more than just "evil liberal dems" (which it does).
What is more disturbing is the implication that Fox News is stoking the fire. If they were truly reporting these events without bias then they would "invite" people to come to the parties and they would ask people to go to the "celebration". They would say simply "If you are interested contact this number"... and be done with it. If Fox was not biased, they would not be making this out as an FNC event. It is the fault of Fox alone that the stimulus plans are associated 100% with democrats, liberals, and Obama by the people at these rallies. Fox is the only major news network that is actively promoting anger and hatred in that fashion and to such a large extent. Fox news is the cause of something that could very easily get out of hand and (this is my opinion) they are the cause of a lot of people who believe we need an armed "revolution"... if you don't believe these people are out there and that they watch Fox then you should look again. It's sad but true. - inactive, on 04/10/2009, -6/+12"Paying taxes for military defense and infrastructure is WAY different than bailing out failing business if you ask me."
It's a good thing we don't ask you, then.. - twinklyJesus, on 04/10/2009, -3/+9They reported on the protests in SF.
They had videos of the wannabe 60's wackies that were stopping traffic, breaking shop windows and turning over parked cars.
maybe you don't remember the police officer who was injured in SF by a mob of anti-war protesters? - TheSwashbuckler, on 04/10/2009, -1/+7"How can people who are so profoundly stupid be given a microphone and put in front of thousands?"
Rush needed a job and there are millions of profoundly stupid Republicans. -
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