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- Apokalyps2547, on 10/26/2009, -34/+1118You mean people cherry-pick Bible verses to suit their political agenda, ignore countless others, then claim that they are carrying out God's will?!
I, for one, am SHOCKED!
(Another great example: a man tattoos a verse from Leviticus on his arm, ignoring the fact that Leviticus bans tattoos in the next chapter:
http://friendlyatheist.com/2009/10/16/cherrypickin ... ) - Amadeus2490, on 10/27/2009, -27/+5691. Leviticus 25:44 states that I may possess slaves, both male and female, provided they are purchased from neighboring nations. A friend of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not to Canadians. Can you clarify? Why can't I own Canadians?
2. I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus 21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her?
4. When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing odor for the Lord (Lev. 1:9). The problem is my neighbors. They claim the odor is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them?
5. I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2 clearly states that he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself, or should I ask the police to do it?
6. A friend of mine feels that, even though eating shellfish is an abomination (Lev. 11:10), it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I don't agree. Can you settle this? Are there "degrees" of abomination?
7. Lev. 21:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle-room here?
8. Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Lev. 19:27. How should they die?
9. I know from Lev. 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes me unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves?
10. My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev. 19:19 by planting two different crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments made of two different kinds of thread (cotton/polyester blend). He also tends to curse and blaspheme a lot. Is it really necessary that we go to all the trouble of getting the whole town together to stone them (Lev.24:10-16)? Couldn't we just burn them to death at a private family affair, like we do with people who sleep with their in-laws (Lev. 20:14)?
http://jmm.aaa.net.au/articles/13980.htm
The bible also states that if your son is unruly, you're supposed to take him to the center of town, inform everyone that he won't listen to you and you're supposed to stone him to death. There are Muslim families who, 'til this very day, murder their children in "honor killings." That's what god wanted, right? - zinkyu, on 10/27/2009, -45/+527Before we go all "OMG! The Bible said this and you're a hypocrite!" on this digg...oh wait, nvm...
Understand why the law was written.
It was a ritual custom of the heathen to cut or trim their beards and hair into special shapes in honor of a particular pagan deity. To honor the sun god Ra, the ancient Egyptians had their dark locks cropped short or shaved with great care so the hair that remained on the crown appeared in the form of a circle surrounding the head (from which the halo derives), while the beard was dressed in a square form. Alternatively, a round bald spot might be shaved on the head.
It is this type of false worship the Bible forbids. Shaving one's beard and cutting one's hair for normal good grooming is something entirely different and not at all condemned in the Scriptures. In fact, the apostle Paul takes great pains to address proper grooming of one's hair in I Corinthians 11:2-15.
http://cgg.org/index.cfm/fuseaction/Library.sr/CT/ ... - Ozmotear, on 10/27/2009, -10/+319The lettering on that sign is awesome... almost like a gay Dr. Seuss.
- Timpin1, on 10/27/2009, -6/+274dugg for knowing what you are talkin about..
- Humptydank, on 10/27/2009, -14/+230I don't think that anyone is disputing the fact that there is a reason for why things are written as they are in the Bible.
The dispute lies in the flexibility fundamentalists allow themselves in ignoring the laws that inconvenience them personally, but then cherry pick certain other laws, call them the Divine Word of the Lord, and wield them like a club to deny others basic human rights. - inactive, on 10/27/2009, -42/+254Even better... why trust Christianity?
- jattea, on 10/27/2009, -5/+170reminds me of this classic West Wing scene: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EvQqhkd--a0
- pintomp3, on 10/27/2009, -13/+157God also hates shrimp.
- drtinus, on 10/26/2009, -41/+175http://www.evilbible.com/
- bizzywho, on 10/27/2009, -19/+142I know that I'll probably be buried by a bury-crazy atheist, but growing up in the church my whole life, I learned that the Old Testament and the New Testament represented two "covenants" that God made--first to the Jews and then to the rest of the world. Many of the old laws that the Jewish people still practice are part of the old covenant.
For example, the Ten Commandments were pretty much reduced to "love God" and "love your neighbor". Then again, I don't think many Christians are practicing the "love your neighbor" part.
There are many laws in Leviticus that Christians don't practice today. For example Leviticus 19:19 says that we cannot wear clothes made from mixed fibers, but we do so anyway. Christians believe that those laws don't apply anymore. Same with eating shellfish and eating pork or beef.
However, there are some references to homosexuality in the New Testament. For example, Romans 1:26-27 somewhat states that men should not lust after other men.
In the end, I don't know. And most Christians that I've met are not the crazy, homophobic ones that are depicted in the media. They are loving and caring and believe that God loves everyone and that the topic of homosexuality is really a non-issue and should be treated as thus.
My opinion of gay rights is to let gays have the same rights as anyone else. I don't see why they shouldn't. - Dauntless1, on 10/27/2009, -7/+121Careful. Only religious people are allowed to cherry pick what they want to follow, and what they'll hold themselves accountable for. This is known as "hypocrisy", and is the foundation of religion.
- inactive, on 10/27/2009, -6/+106It might be the "bunch of homosexuals" thing at the end. It really adds nothing to his point and only validates many people's negative feelings toward Christians. At least that's why I buried him.
- theSAMOL, on 10/27/2009, -50/+143Don't forget that verse in Corinthians, something about: "Doth not even nature itself teach you, that, if a man have long hair, it is a shame unto him? But if a woman have long hair, it is a glory to her (1 Corinthians 11: 14-15, KJV)".
GTFO hippie Jesus, go get a haircut and a job you lazy bastard. - MisteryMeat, on 10/27/2009, -12/+105Don't make this a political issue. Most Democrats are Christian.
Also, I wanted to point out that you don't know ***** about the Bible. - lazydrumhead, on 10/27/2009, -10/+94none of this represents the bible in context of hebrews, romans, and the law of Christ.
- GrandZooby, on 10/27/2009, -7/+87So, if Leviticus was written to address a very specific group of people then why do so many Christians today (who are not a part of that group of people) use Leviticus as the justification for restricting the rights of (if not actually lynching) homosexuals?
The real problem, though, comes from trying to write laws that apply to everyone in the population using a set of self-inconsistent stories that only apply to a subset of the population. Claiming it came from God doesn't strengthen the position in the slightest because then one must ask, "which god?". - JoEBlack982, on 10/27/2009, -10/+87David, I think it's funny that you perceive what the Bible says relates to how our laws should be written. Separation of church and state, period. Gay people pointing out hypocrisy in the bible are not trying to have a bible debate, they're protesting people's own bigotry.
- splorpdotorg, on 10/27/2009, -2/+76Never watched the show, but LOVE that scene.
- ianmgull, on 10/27/2009, -23/+91How about we just stop trying to derive morals from an ancient book who's authors held questionable morals to begin with?
- Dealjobber, on 10/27/2009, -0/+68shrimp is the fruit of the sea. You can barbecue it, boil it, broil it, bake it, saute it. Dey's uh, shrimp-kabobs, shrimp creole, shrimp gumbo. Pan fried, deep fried, stir-fried. There's pineapple shrimp, lemon shrimp, coconut shrimp, pepper shrimp, shrimp soup, shrimp stew, shrimp salad, shrimp and potatoes, shrimp burger, shrimp sandwich. That- that's about it
- tcquad, on 10/27/2009, -10/+75"You shall not round off the side-growth of your heads nor harm the edges of your beard."
-Leviticus 19:27 - dirtytaters, on 10/27/2009, -10/+75There are so many ridiculous things like this yet I've never heard someone defending the word of the Bible actually respond to why it's okay to cherry-pick
- ChaosProfessor, on 10/27/2009, -5/+69Leviticus 19:27 reads "You shall not round off the side-growth of your heads nor harm the edges of your beard."
you also can't pull out
It's Genesis 38:9-10: "Onan knew that the offspring would not be his; so when he went in to his brother's wife, he wasted his seed on the ground in order not to give offspring to his brother. But what he did was displeasing in the sight of the Lord; so He took his life also." - matticusf1nch, on 10/27/2009, -21/+81The bible is full of retarded *****. It's a rule book for farmers in the early days of civilization. It has no relevance to today.
- malex, on 10/27/2009, -14/+62====> The point (WOOSH)
_O_ DavidNiven's head - Sherman901, on 10/27/2009, -1/+49What is context doing on my Digg?
- cryinlion85, on 10/27/2009, -5/+52well in this instance, the real impetus for outlawing homosexuality in Christianity doesn't come from the Old Testament so much as the New Testament; in fact, most of the conventions for how Christians "do" church come from Paul's letters to early Christian churches. in the case of homosexuality, it is grouped together with other types of sexual perversion (such as sex before marriage, adultery within marriage, pedophilia) with a general condemnation to hell.
the reason i make the distinction is that the Jewish Christians in the New Testament made a group decision (in Acts) that the Gentiles (non-Jews) would not be held to the law given by Moses in Leviticus, but only to a general moral code of conduct. therefore, "Gentile" Christians would not be obligated to follow every letter given in Leviticus (such as killing rebellious teenagers), but would still have difficulty condoning homosexual behavior when such a large majority of Christians over the centuries have considered it to be immoral.
it's not a matter of cherry-picking; at least, not cherry-picking which laws from Leviticus we feel like following. (well, for some Christians i suppose it is) it's trying to use the Bible as a standard for moral behavior in a world that's obsessed with moral ambiguity and tolerance of all lifestyles.
for the record, it's stupid for government to be regulating morality unless it endangers citizens. while the argument was casually made in the 1980's that homosexual behavior endangered citizens because it spread AIDS, that has since been easily debunked; inasmuch as we are not a "Christian" country anymore than one could declare a city or county to be "Christian", there is no place for Christian values to be universally imposed on the citizens of the country. - muzza001, on 10/27/2009, -1/+45I've never watched the West Wing, but that was awesome.
- InfinitySnatch, on 10/27/2009, -1/+44I'm pretty sure there's a loophole there if you spill it in a sock instead.
- disasterface, on 10/27/2009, -4/+47yet even in one of the most "liberal" states, people vote to make an amendment to the constitution that takes away the rights of gays. I appreciate your rational, thought-out post, but if most Christians you've met aren't homophobes, then you either haven't met enough of them, or your definition of "homophobe" and mine are very different.
More than half of this country IS homophobic, and most of that homophobia stems from religion. They might not all be quoting Leviticus or yelling hate speech, but the voting results are clear. The vast majority of Christians hate gays. - distortionrock, on 10/27/2009, -8/+50I don't like you
- ChaosProfessor, on 10/27/2009, -0/+42well yah jesus said that
and i sayeth to you if you must bust a nut, do it into a sock - iletumi, on 10/27/2009, -1/+41***** awesome
- zinkyu, on 10/27/2009, -3/+43Usually because it's not okay to cherry-pick. True believers and students of the word of God don't stop at one or two versus--much like any person, religious or not, doesn't stop reading a book after a few sentences from a paragraph and proclaims that they understand the entire story.
- Humptydank, on 10/27/2009, -1/+38So remember kids, masturbate and God will kill you.
He'll kill you a little at a time, and it will feel kind of like a shiver, but believe me that's God killing you. - dsmith5237, on 10/27/2009, -3/+40"And trusting a bunch of homosexual activists with Bible verses is a waste of time. THEY conveniently ignore the parts that they don't like. Why trust them with anything concerning Christianity?"
Let's try something:
And trusting a bunch of fundamentalist conservatives with Bible verses is a waste of time. THEY conveniently ignore the parts that they don't like. Why trust them with anything concerning Christianity?
Seems about right. - FurtThePirate, on 10/27/2009, -15/+52I ain't a liberal.
- blitzkriegpunk, on 10/27/2009, -1/+38Dugg. A lot of these ancient customs sound ***** strange to us because they are no longer relevant. The hair thing is considered to be an Orientalism.
Also, Leviticus is a rule book for the Levites; one of the 12 tribes if Israel. These guys were charged with carrying the Ark around and had all sorts of crazy rules; priests, if you will. - wtrwlkr, on 10/27/2009, -6/+42what doesn't that crazy fella hate?
- MisteryMeat, on 10/27/2009, -4/+40There should be for all religions. Education is key, people don't understand what they are reading.
- wtrwlkr, on 10/27/2009, -7/+42If the Quran had as much effect on American politics and daily life as the Bible does, i'm sure there would be. I'm not discriminatory, I dislike all ancient, violent religions equally; so I wouldn't be opposed to such a site. If the Quran bothers you so much particularly, create an evil Quran site.
- nofrickenway, on 10/27/2009, -4/+38"For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled."
-Christ (Matthew 5:18)
As someone else here pointed out, many "conservatives" would deem Christ a "liberal". If you read how Christ acted, and also the writings of Paul and the other NT writers you would see that it is impossible for us to do what we are supposed to- THAT is why we believe in the resurrection for salvation. Our belief is credited to us as righteousness and God looks the other way at our sin- past and future, if we repent.
The point is we love God and are sorry for what we do, not because we are caught, but because we love him. This is the reason so many of you feel animosity toward the republicans getting caught, they aren't sorry what they did, only that they got caught.
A more relevant scripture would be:
Don’t you realize that those who do wrong will not inherit the Kingdom of God? Don’t fool yourselves. Those who indulge in sexual sin, or who worship idols, or commit adultery, or are male prostitutes, or practice homosexuality, or are thieves, or greedy people, or drunkards, or are abusive, or cheat people—none of these will inherit the Kingdom of God. -1Cor 6:9-10
Look at that list, there is more than 1 thing in that list but people put on blinders. Next time you see someone hate mongering ask them if they qualify for any this list, most people do, and that is the point.
Christians are called to love, not hate. We all have flaws and are supposed to help one another with them. If you are gay and feel no desire to change then, I have no right AS A CHRISTIAN to try to force you to change any more than I can force you to become a Christian(I mean that in the sense of salvation). It is a choice we all make,my duty is to love you as Christ loved me, if that inspires you then I have done my duty.
-I am not not perfect, not by a long shot.
But God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us. -Romans 5:8 - InfinitySnatch, on 10/27/2009, -0/+34Coca-Cola
Sometimes war - ParticleMan420, on 10/27/2009, -3/+37isnt that what the whole voting feature is for?
- Arachnivore, on 10/27/2009, -3/+36Do you feel persecuted for being a hateful bigot?
I feel so very sorry for you :'( - spookyttws, on 10/27/2009, -1/+33So it's cool to ***** you're brother's wife, just make sure to cum inside her.
- manoftheisland, on 10/27/2009, -11/+42FYI: the majority of the protestant church of the modern era understands that the restrictions placed on the nation of israel (the ten commandments; the book of leviticus) were set up for local and time based reasons (for example tattoos were banned due to them only being used as symbols of a local religion that differed from the traditional beliefs of Judaism. and such restrictions obviously do not apply now.) the long hair restriction was only for Nazarenes, a special group of people set apart from the rest of israel (some were priests others judges - like Samson; yes the strong guy).
in more theological and eschatological terms Christians today are under the new covenant due to Jesus fulfilling the old covenant (old testament).
ok so that is the short version. - AxeSwinger, on 10/27/2009, -6/+36What context is intended? Can you show me the original text? Can you give to me an idea of the geopolitical, social and cultural influences that abounded at the bible's inception and each translation thereafter? Can most believers provide context greater than what their local pastor insists is the proper context.
What is the message? Celebrate the life of your god by either symbolically eating his flesh and blood or literally eating his transmogrified flesh and blood depending on the strain of Christianity your family practices?
Your comment is just another example of a pseudo-intellect making hasty generalizations. - dave122, on 10/27/2009, -6/+34Those things would be relevant without christianity.
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