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- detcade, on 11/11/2009, -5/+64Republicans whine about how Obama is trying to indoctrinate their children... Then they bring their children into congress to force opinions on them. There's a word for that, starts with an 'h'...
- nonapp, on 11/11/2009, -3/+57I find it strange that the GOP says the Government will get in the way of a doctor and patient and force Americans into poor care. Doesn't the health insurance companies already do this? Health insurance companies already tell you what doctors you can see and what treatments are covered.
- lolerskate, on 11/11/2009, -4/+49Teabaggers arent crazy, i mean you must be crazy not too see the link between the holocaust and health care reform.
/s - LBUCHA, on 11/10/2009, -3/+46The babies... hysterical!!! next stop, puppies.
- bjenidles, on 11/11/2009, -4/+38Sorry to feed the troll here, but he goofs on Dems all the time. Do a search on the TDS site for recent mentions of John Kerry. And I guess you missed the segment a few weeks ago where he called Chuck Schumer "a ***** idiot."
And if ratings are a proper measure of quality, then The Black Eyed Peas and Miley Cyrus must be the greatest musicians in the world. - pintomp3, on 11/11/2009, -2/+31Even funnier is that they talk about death panels while insurance companies have people who's sole job is to look for reasons not to provide coverage.
- irfanmp, on 11/10/2009, -3/+30Canadian mirrors: http://watch.thecomedynetwork.ca/the-daily-show-wi ...
http://watch.thecomedynetwork.ca/the-colbert-repor ... - steeltormentor, on 11/10/2009, -2/+25I have never licked a turtle...........ever
- kefkaantakrist, on 11/11/2009, -4/+23... wait, what? it's hypocritical to oppose the president who started at least one (maybe two) unnecessary wars, ordered torture and spying and pushed the Patriot Act if you don't oppose the guy who happens to be President right after him?
I don't know if any of those claims about Bush are true - they are the ones people like the ones you seem to be referring to make about him. But I haven't heard of Obama starting any wars, or conducting any torture, or pushing anything like the Patriot Act. He may not have put an end to all of the 'evil things' that Bush (may have) started, but some of those things take time, some of those things may have never been true to begin with, and some of those things are beyond the scope of the president. Repealing the Patriot Act, for example, would require Congress. - Waiting2awake, on 11/11/2009, -4/+22Jon is awesome, and he is left of centre. That is cool and he should lampoon the politicians. Take him for what he is - it would just be nice those that are cheering this entertainer, are usually the same ones going after Glen Beck like rabid dogs - would treat them the same.
- lolerskate, on 11/11/2009, -3/+20Hemorrhoids?
- Ddraig, on 11/11/2009, -3/+20Question for you... who created the largest government agency in the history of the united states?
Hint: President after Clinton, and before Obama - Giac, on 11/11/2009, -3/+16Jon stewart is hilarious
- fadeddragon, on 11/11/2009, -5/+18And you think the Republicans are different? ahahhahahah
- Snap65, on 11/11/2009, -4/+17Fox News is a channel. Jon Stewart is a 30 minute show. You can't compare ratings here.
JS FTW! - 4NDr01D, on 11/11/2009, -1/+13Republicans are such corporate shills (not that dems are much better)
but the greed and lack of will to help people that are sick is just disgusting
All republicans in congress should go a year without their "government" health coverage
they would change their tune faster then a heart attack - SpeedSteamBoat, on 11/11/2009, -4/+14So I take it that you didn't watch the show? The title is misleading. Right after he ragged on the Republican with the baby he poked fun at the Democrat who followed suit by bringing up two kids and then the speaker had to remind the congressman something to the effect of "not to use guests of the chamber as a props."
He made fun of the situation (which was truly ridiculous), not any party in particular. He could have easily omitted the Democrats bit, but it turns out he's not nearly as biased as you seem to believe. - Elranzer, on 11/11/2009, -2/+12It's because the HMOs pay off the Republicans. The GOP doesn't want to bite the hand that feeds them. And judging by their waistlines, they're fed rather well.
- SpeedSteamBoat, on 11/11/2009, -2/+12Yes, but corporations can afford to fund their re-election campaigns. Neither the government nor healthy voters are going to pay as well!
- pistoche, on 11/11/2009, -2/+11Hitler?
- Solkre, on 11/11/2009, -1/+10What's so bad about a public option?
My company option is overpriced dookie, and private insurance is laughable! I'm not asking someone else to pay for my insurance, I'm asking for decent insurance options. - MacBookForMe, on 11/10/2009, -1/+10Almost everything is got its first time once...
- JigoroKano, on 11/11/2009, -0/+8So if the majority is white and wants black slaves, then that's acceptable because it's democratic?
- Elranzer, on 11/11/2009, -6/+13Why are conservatives for bigger government, more taxes, less freedoms? I still cant figure this one out.
I had always felt that Reagan, Bush Jr and Bush Sr were Republicans but they increased government, budget, taxes and took away more freedoms than Clinton and Obama ever did. - SpeedSteamBoat, on 11/11/2009, -5/+11What? I absolutely care about those issues still.
I don't think it makes me a hypocrite to (mostly) agree with the president on Health Care but not on Afghanistan. I believe that just makes my an independent thinker and socially adept.
Though I can understand if, as an apparent conservative, you might struggle with those concepts in general. - AuriniDMJ, on 11/11/2009, -1/+7How about Obama's reinstatement* of the Patriot Act?
Both sides of the media are biased to give you the opinion that you feel like having, instead of the opinion that's actually true. You need to take responsibility for your own knowledge of things; quite frankly, the new guy is a lot like the old guy.
*that's not the right word, but it escapes me - basically, if not for his signature it would be gone. - LittleDas, on 11/11/2009, -0/+4I am conflicted. I like that you used the word erudite but for someone who presumes to be above the filth you begin with the implication I am a cave man. Perhaps some kind of jungle savage, incapable of rational, western thought.
Furthermore, your attack on "the current generation" is both populist and tired, akin to complaining about "kids these days".
I propose that the opposition's argument is largely divorced from reality, irrational, and therefore deserving of the term "crazy". This is hardly an ad hominem attack. This is an assertion based on facts such as the truly outrageous signs and views held by health care protestors, the tendency to equate universal health care and communism, and the ridiculous assertions by prominent republicans that the bill will lead to "death camps" and the like. - AuriniDMJ, on 11/11/2009, -0/+4Absolutely true. I'm sick of people mistaking the US and Canada for democracies - they aren't. The one is a Republic, and the other is a Constitutional Monarchy. Their differences are primarily structural, at their core both of them are built around the concept that 51% of the population does not, under any circumstances, have the right to pass certain laws which violate the Rights and Freedoms which the two countries are built around; democratic aspects are incidental, and probably not even that important when it comes to our core values.
...at least, that's how it's supposed to go. Lately both countries are looking more and more like Democracies... - wampalord, on 11/11/2009, -4/+8I remember where I was when Jon Stewart was covering the GOP's ridiculous tactics against healthcare. I even remember where Jason Jones was.
- steviesteveo, on 11/11/2009, -0/+4And that's exactly what's meant by the tyranny of the majority. The majority of people can be horrifically wrong in what they believe.
- xenodata, on 11/11/2009, -0/+3When I first read the title, I read it as Jon Stewart made a mistake in his reporting of the issue... It's all starting to make sense now though. :D
- Waiting2awake, on 11/11/2009, -2/+5He is. Only he is actually intelligent.
- datruef, on 11/11/2009, -0/+3(And just to be clear, schools are not indoctrinating our children in any particular political ideology.)
sure they are.
they are being indoctrinated to vote dem or repub. i remember my 8th grade mock elections, i was one of two kids to vote for ross perot. i did it because i realized-as an 8th grader-how flawed a two party sysyem is. the other kid did it because he thought it would be funny.
the rest of the kids? dem or repub, with a bart simpson here or there.....
barely any talk about ross perot during the whole month we did it in social studies. a paragraph no "other parties" (whigs and what not) a chpater for dem and repubs. - weasel61782, on 11/11/2009, -1/+4That was hilarious!
- Number127, on 11/11/2009, -0/+3Most employers contract with private insurers to cover their workers. If the government did the same, then you'd have a point, but the refrain of reform opponents is always that private insurers can do a better job for less money than a government-run program could.
So yes, those people do need to account for the hypocrisy. If government-run healthcare programs suck so much and cost more money, why don't they also try to get rid of Medicare and the VA plan? Why subject our seniors, soldiers, and veterans (not to mention themselves) to care they claim is substandard? - steviesteveo, on 11/11/2009, -0/+3I think this actually assumes that you're my opponent. We're really not. Firstly I'm here for the Captain Picard falmpalm ascii art and secondly we both agree that freedom of speech is good and that censorship is bad. You're not actually going to convince that I'm wrong to think the way you're suggesting because that'd be reverse psychology rather than persuasion. I think it's impressive that you appear to have missed the fact that I agree with you on the underlying points but that I think that "the current generation sucks" and "no one can use freedom of speech" are just stupid things to say. Freedom of speech is good, saying fatuous comments is bad. Censorship is bad, disliking fatuous comments is fine. This is something we agree on. It's really what you say except I'm suggesting that the sort of comment that you should dislike is the kind you've written.
My problem isn't what you believe, it's what you say and how you say it. Therefore it's not pseudo-intellectual signalling to say "get your fancy word right," it's just having standards. If you want to use the fancy word, that's fine but you then have to get it right. It's a Latin phrase, so it needs to make grammatical sense in the sentence where you've put it, that's just how words work. The same goes with the actual definitions of censorship, of freedom of speech and other bits of terminology you're using. These need to be used correctly otherwise you end up with a situation like the current usage of "socialism" (which actually has a very specific meaning) in America. I don't actually know anything about you and you don't know anything about me. All my Digg upvote/downvote/comment behaviour is responding to is what you've typed in the yellow box. I'm not judging you, I'm judging your comment and that's actually what the little red thumb means.
I can't speak for other people, obviously. - pintomp3, on 11/11/2009, -0/+3There is such a thing as tyranny of the majority. Conservative embrace it when it comes to gay marriage and abortion.
- cCPanda, on 11/11/2009, -0/+3 You can get salmonella from licking turtles, I don't recommend it.
- Hayley3AM, on 11/11/2009, -1/+4that baby thing was redonk. i mean, that should be completely frowned upon.
- AuriniDMJ, on 11/11/2009, -0/+2Heh, how about we shake hands and say good argument? I think you're right that we're basically in 95% agreement - there was one thread in particular a few weeks back that, if I could find the damned thing and show it to you, I think you'd agree that the buried comments shouldn't have been buried.
I still stand by my use of ad hominem though, and I took two semesters of Latin; the guys over at lesswrong.org seem content with that usage. And quite frankly, the older I get the more disgusted I am by the general ignorance of the populace, on both sides of the equation. The left thinks the Tea Parties are crazy, the right thinks that Obama is a communist. It's not enough to blame the media for their misreporting (and believe me, I see just as much of it on Fox as i do on CNN), the media is in the business of making money. The problem is that the people consuming the media don't want to hear the Truth, they just want their present opinions justified.
The Internet ought to be an escape from this sort of partisan behaviour. It ought to be a Wikipedia, not a Conservapedia, where all reasonable voices are given a fair hearing. Digg tends to have a far more educated membership, which is why I find societal-censorship here to be so distressing. It might seem like I'm making mountains out of mole hills, and maybe I am, but it's a slippery slope between here and pure partisan politics, which I don't think anybody wants.
Mostly though, thanks for helping me get over this morning's writing block. - SpeedSteamBoat, on 11/11/2009, -0/+2@DavidNiven: No, he routinely rags on Democrats.
Don't cry just because the Republicans happen to give him a lot more material to work with. - AuriniDMJ, on 11/11/2009, -4/+6Some of us would suggest that a better option would be to truly privatize health insurance, and get rid of the protectionist laws which result in you only having a 'choice' between three identical companies.
Last night Peter Schiff posted a video from Australian TV where he discussed precisely that - it may well be that the American health system is worse than what you find in Canada and Australia, but that doesn't mean that Socialized medicine is the best; not to mention you need to consider all the drug advancements which have occurred because of the profit opportunity in a free-market society like the United States.
It's an ugly reality, but Health Care costs money - if you don't pay it in insurance premiums, you'll be paying it in tax dollars. And yes, I do realize that the Public Option isn't completely socialized - but it will distort the market, because any government funded program is going to have more leeway and better credit than private organizations that aren't backed up by the federal government. Just look at Fannie and Freddie - the Public Option will inevitably be better than the private options, because they'll have guaranteed financial backing.
I really worry about you Americans. Once you go socialized, and every Tom Dick and Harry is used to their 'free' healthcare, it's almost impossible to go back. First you let the politicians cripple your private market healthcare, and now you're putting a bullet in its head. - Waiting2awake, on 11/11/2009, -1/+3OK guys, I guess I just missed you at the recent anti-war rallies... yikes, there aren't anymore? Where did Code Pink go?
Your words here say one thing, your actions, or lack therein, say something completely else.
In other words - just because you don't like the label - it is still correct.
If people hated Bush, and they had many reasons too, then they must hate Obama because he is doing the same thing. Clearly they aren't which is - by definition - hypocritical.
It has become blazingly apparent that what was sold as "anti-war" was in reality merely Anti-Bush or Anti-republican, but not because of any actions or inaction from either Bus or the republicans because as has been stated, and clearly seen to be true - they are doing the same things. - AuriniDMJ, on 11/11/2009, -0/+2First of all, go re-read the article; my usage of 'ad hominem' is not only similar to how it's used in the article, it's also used as such in rationalist circles, and even if it weren't it's an acceptable colloquilism. Saying "argumentum ad hominem fallacy" is unnecessarily wordy when the point was clearly communicated. You're attempting to one-up me using pseudo-intellectual signalling techniques,* but it just makes you look petty.
Second, go look up the article on Animal Farm - specifically this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Animal_Farm#.22The_Fr ... Self-imposed societal censorship is one of the worst kinds. No, it doesn't violate law (and I never said it did) but it certainly violates the moral principle. Your reason for not listening is that you don't agree with my conclusions, and thus don't want to hear the reasons; when a community engages in such practices they silence the voices that most need to be heard.
After all, shouldn't you at least understand why your opponents disagree with you? Or are they completely and irrevocably wrong on all points? Crazy, as it were - so long as you don't mind using an ad hominem.
*Which is precisely what I'm doing there. - iloveobama, on 11/11/2009, -7/+9I'm sick of these racist, fascist rethuglicans who are opposing real progressive change in this country!!! I can't wait for my free healthcare....what?? You mean I will be forced to buy it with the threat of jail time? Illegals don't have to? Pelosi's botox will not be covered under the same plan? Now that is some real Hope and Change.
- LittleDas, on 11/11/2009, -4/+6Dugg for Stewart. Also dugg because the opposition to the healthcare reform is largely, perhaps even mostly composed of crazy.
- agrabes, on 11/11/2009, -0/+2Why does everyone knock on members of congress for having government health coverage. Who, if they have health coverage, DOESN'T have insurance at lower costs through their employer. Guess what? The government is their employer. It only makes sense for them to have health coverage through the government at lower costs.
Yeah, a lot of Republicans are corporate schills. But so is almost everybody else. It's pretty pathetic. - AuriniDMJ, on 11/11/2009, -0/+2Wikipedia would disagree with you: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_Hominem
Freedom of Speech is the principle that frank and open discussion matters; that no matter how I feel about what you're saying, I'll defend your right to say it.
The Internet is a unique situation, wherein the transactional cost of speaking is nearly zero. The benefits of this are self-evident, but the downsides are that trolls and spammers often pop out of the wood work, posting idiotic comments (LOL where obamas berf certificate?) which purely derail the conversation, or dominating the thread through walls of ASCII symbols. Forums such as this one use a community feedback button - the downvoting - to try and avoid that sort of nonsense, as well as repetetive, or poorly educated comments.
That's the *intention* behind downvoting, but it's often not how it manifests itself. It's almost inevitable with a John Stewart thread, that when somebody posts in disagreement to John - no matter how polite, well educated, or intelligent they are, that within the hour they'll be downvoted to -50, meanwhile, some jackass who does nothing but repeat a joke that John already made gets voted up to +50.
Obviously there's some grey-area between what sort of comment is worth responding to, and what sort isn't, but the pendulum here on Digg has swung entirely too far. If you're censoring everybody you disagree with, rather than just censoring the homeless guy yelling in the park, then there's something wrong with you. Just because somebody disagrees with you doesn't mean they're your enemy; and it doesn't mean that they're an idiot, either. It's entirely possible for you to learn from them, or vice versa.
But nine times out of ten, there's no discussion; just censorship. Maybe I shouldn't have said "doesn't know how to use freedom of speech" - maybe I should have said "doesn't care." - brad3378, on 11/11/2009, -0/+1A related video:
http://digg.com/political_opinion/Protect_Insuranc ... - QQMore, on 11/11/2009, -6/+7That's because you didn't watch the video before spouting your ignorant comment. Buried.
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