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- gizram84, on 05/30/2009, -23/+119there should be no question. if a company fails, let it die. the whole idea of a bailout is *****.
bailing out the newspaper industry is the stupidest waste of time. - Toshibi, on 03/31/2009, -8/+62Short answer: No. Long answer: If people could teleport instantly anywhere in the world for less than a plane ticket through some new technology, and that technology negated the need for airlines, should we save the airlines which no longer serve a purpose? Of course not. It's not a patriotic matter. It's a simple business matter. The Internet is killing newspapers because it's like teleportation. Instant news from around the world.
- kenn987, on 03/31/2009, -4/+44I'm so tired of hearing people talk about whether or not something is anti-american or not, its ***** asinine.
- dcodrea, on 03/30/2009, -24/+58But they don't want to lose their propaganda corps...
- dreambig207, on 03/30/2009, -29/+62Subsidies are a bad idea, they just create efficiencies in the market, take the American farm "industry" they are sometimes pad NOT to farm, to keep prices high. If you can't make it on your own you deserve to sink, since when is bad business the responsibility of tax payers? oh that's right Change happened....
- sheeplescareme, on 03/31/2009, -8/+37things are supposed to fail.
end of story.
period.
something eventually comes along to replace it if needed. - inactive, on 03/31/2009, -14/+40You're ***** right it is American to let them fail. Our country is supposedly free, free to succeed and free to ***** fail!!! You don't like it, go move somewhere where your socialistic ideas are appreciated.
- AirRaven, on 03/31/2009, -1/+27Seconded.
"Anti-American"? Who do you think you are? Joseph ***** McCarthy? Fifty years out of date. =\ - ZeaLitY, on 03/31/2009, -13/+37Fox News on Digg? Really?
D:
http://img523.imageshack.us/img523/434/foxnews152b ... - inactive, on 03/31/2009, -3/+27the RIAA need to understand this simple concept too..
- hfactor, on 03/31/2009, -2/+25Listen boys... "American" means "coming from America". Stop using it in an evaluative manner like goddamn fascists.
- drunkenoaf, on 03/31/2009, -7/+28Without newspapers, it's easier to miss important news -- especially local news -- since it's not pushed at you by your own web browsing habits.
Exposing corruption is the best use of journalism possible. Local newspapers are going to the wall. Great time to be a corrupt town mayor.
Who's interest is best served by the death of newspapers? Not really Joe Public, is it?
How sad. - PeppermintPig, on 03/31/2009, -2/+22Agreed. Nationalism is not something to aspire to.
- TigerStar337, on 03/31/2009, -3/+21/News flash: Worker bees. Your overlords are calling. Your job assignment today is to read a whole bunch of "news" stories about how the USA is a great, wonderful, benign free-market paradise we've created for you. Thanks to News Corp, Exxon, P&G, and Boeing for sponsoring this special investigative series. Don't forget to use your credit card today! Spend, Spend, Spend!!!
- sanman, on 03/31/2009, -16/+34The People's Republic of NYT wants very badly to get a bailout for itself, so that it can keep pumping out left-wing slanted propaganda on the public dime.
If you can't sell your trash on its own merits, then why not hijack some govt money to subsidize your trash.
What a bunch of deceitful rats. But why be surprised, when they're so practiced at it? - novenator, on 03/31/2009, -16/+31nonsense.
"About 2% of NPR's funding comes from bidding on government grants and programs, chiefly the Corporation for Public Broadcasting; the remainder comes from member station dues, foundation grants, and corporate underwriting. " http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Public_Radio
learn how to use google. - aleone31, on 03/31/2009, -3/+18Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
I'm not sure how the above means that the government has a duty to protect the newspapers from financial ruin. In fact by my interpretation it would be unconstitutional to do anything but let them fail. - Swivelstick, on 03/31/2009, -9/+24About 95% of media is controlled by the corporations that in turn control the government thus ***** like you support it as do the DabamaBots. You are ***** tool if you believe otherwise and a bigger tool if you believe digg (web 2) is the answer,,
- inactive, on 03/31/2009, -11/+26I thought America was a capitalistic nation.
Bad business = Capitol punishment. (In a corporate manner)
Bad Management = Plank walking..no golden parachutes
What happened America did the big bad Red Communists get out from under your beds? Or did the government just turn into a pack of paid actors? - inactive, on 03/30/2009, -66/+79A government supported media is the goal of communists everywhere, thus DabamaBots approve the idea.
- dreambig207, on 03/30/2009, -15/+28no true, its considered socialism
Socialism - a political theory advocating state ownership of industry
Too bad dictionaries are irrelevant these days - jonathan686, on 03/31/2009, -2/+13There's a big difference between the government allowing newspapers non-profit status and the government "footing the bill for the newspaper industry." I don't know if I support the idea, but Beck as usual tries to turn it into the cold war.
- kingcam, on 03/31/2009, -3/+14You people are missing to point entirely, the Forth Estate, despite Mr. Beck's outright dismissal, is indeed the most important part of participatory democracy. The problem with letting the papers die is not that somehow we would not be able to get information, it is that on some issues the papers are literally the only people out there looking for it. Call me wrong all you want, but I don't think that any blogger or someone from cable news is going to go to a week of 5 hour long zoning talks just in case something interesting happens. The problem with pointing out that local radio, TV and Internet sources are still around is that they all, for the most part, get their info from those papers. There are other things that the papers do that just cannot be done by someone else in today’s climate, could you imagine if Watergate was broken via dailykos?
I am not saying that we should never let the papers die, I am just saying we should stop their demise until after we have a paradigm shift that changes the way that news is captured, like the internet changed the way it disseminates. Because that is the heart of why the papers are failing, the infrastructure of actually going out and getting the news is costly. - Karmashock, on 03/31/2009, -17/+27The best idea I heard was to let them become charity organizations. That would mean no taxes... but it would also mean no political opinions. A requirement for tax exempt status is being politically neutral.
Most of the papers that are dying are the worst political rags in the country... very biased and almost worthless for getting any real information. So this would force them to fire all their political writers and instead focus on ACTUAL NEWS. If they can't survive that, then they should die. - woozlewuzzle, on 03/31/2009, -2/+12While there is a great deal of room for improvement in how we run our farming industry, keeping a stable food supply is critical to the long term health of the country. This probably isn't the best industry to let sink. Allowing our food production to go overseas would be worse than relying on other countries for our energy needs. Look where that got us.
This is food we're talking about here - a basic necessity - not planes, trains, or automobiles.
Cheers - Sethbacca, on 03/31/2009, -3/+13Some industries just go away, it's just natural evolution of needs and wants in life. If we never let any industry die, we'd still be subsidizing people to cut blocks of ice from rivers and store them in ice sheds from when home refrigerators killed the ice industry. Paper will give way to electronic means of communication, that's just life.
- PeppermintPig, on 03/31/2009, -11/+21"It really comes as no surprise that the right wing hates newspapers, after all, they are one of the primary means of information dissemination."
Straw man much?
"Same reason why nutbags perpetually blast tv news and internet news, encyclopedias, science, dictionaries, etc...you simply can't handle the truth."
This isn't confined to any particular political ideology, though.
"If it's not propaganda that is pushed by your corporate masters, you attack it as 'biased'. "
Or if you don't agree with someone, you claim their ideas are pushed by corporate masters, or 'talking points', rather than tearing their arguments a new one.
"Guess what...newspapers are one of the last bastions of investigatory journalism in the US."
Newspapers tend to relay syndicated stories such as those from the AP. As for in-house talent covering local stories, it depends on the individual reporter. Often 'investigative journalism' is more about the latter than the former, as reporters I've seen often paraphrase a public statement from government without questioning it. - shaelen, on 03/31/2009, -4/+14You do understand, don't you, that to control information is to control the people?
- runchummey, on 03/31/2009, -5/+14And just who determines what is important news? And what form will the surviving newspapers take? Will they go paperless? Let the creative destruction process work.
SOME news papers are failing because they are run like the auto companies. (NYT, LAT, Wash Post). They give you the news THEY think is important and what THEY want you to read.
Subsidies are NEVER OK! Look at the fiasco going on now with the Banks and and auto companies. - inactive, on 03/31/2009, -6/+15Most newpapers fill their pages with reprints of AP and Reuters stories and rehashes of DNC talking points. If you read one, you read them all.
- Verchiel77, on 03/31/2009, -1/+10Consider the source...
- mah2cent, on 03/31/2009, -7/+16It is un-American to keep any company that is failing afloat. That should have included the banks, insurance companies, the auto industry, etc. But the politicians had to repay their benefactors. All bailouts are government theft of the working economy and forestalls real recovery. Governments are only good for printing money out of thin air, taxing (another government theft) and intervention into every citizen's personal life (theft of personal freedom).
- laser314, on 03/31/2009, -2/+11Go talk to neighbors and ask, 'Hey, whats up?'
- tpmidd, on 03/31/2009, -0/+8Well I live in NJ and there are, to name a few:
www.nj.com , www.northjersey.com www.therecord.com www.dailyrecord.com
which 99% of the time have had all the local coverage I need. - PeppermintPig, on 03/31/2009, -1/+9Might have missed the sarcasm there.
- inactive, on 03/31/2009, -5/+13How would that stop the stupidity & bias?? They've already got the not-making-any-profits part of non-profit DOWN, anyway...
- spoonyfork, on 03/31/2009, -14/+22Whatever Glenn Beck says to do... do the opposite.
- iamnotanorange, on 03/31/2009, -0/+8Did glenn beck really say, ".... I Goggled it"? Is that some sort of fake journalist way of spelling google, or does Fox News not really edit their material?
- culwyeh, on 03/31/2009, -0/+7The news industry is one of the few industries that should not be profit driven. The markets warp information, forcing news agencies to cover stories that will drive up their bottom lines rather than the more nuanced / boring stories that are actually important. See: scott peterson, OJ, swift boat veterans, etc, meanwhile most Americans can't locate Israel on a map and can't name their own congressperson. I'm surprised to see Digg so enthusiastically endorsing the further foxnewsification of the information ecosystem. Its ironic, since sites like Digg are one of the few lights at the end of the tunnel these days.
- neozeed, on 03/31/2009, -7/+14Heh, unless it's cars, insurance companies, or banks. You guys go ahead and fail at will, and we'll be there to failout you morons as much as possible.
What is sad, is that there are only two explicity protected institutions in the constitution.. press & religion. Religion has been subverted via the 501 c IRS method, and now the print press will either just cease to exist, or it will lose it's voice, just as religion lost it's with the 501 c.
I would say wake up, but it's already too late... - pintomp3, on 03/31/2009, -2/+9There is so little investigative journalism done by cable news it's pathetic. Newspapers tend to staff actual journalists and not just blowhard pundits.
- WhiteRaven, on 03/31/2009, -6/+13By force?
- inactive, on 03/31/2009, -3/+10It is pointless to fund the auto-industry without eliminating the UAW, bringing in $12/hr employees and optional HMO and 401k. (with employee contribution)
Yet we're keeping the union people, firing the CEO and I'd bet novenator's vagina that the end game involves us nationalizing one or both companies. - PeppermintPig, on 03/31/2009, -4/+11Good post. Free from government buddy-buddy corporate interventionism, we as market actors would crucify businesses which didn't create products and demanded bailouts. One need only observe the public outrage, in diametric opposition to the way in which the 'representatives' voted.
I'm a bit concerned with the way you frame your second point on sensationalism. Sympathizers of a given political movement may contribute to the harm by giving a pass to those who conduct themselves in a 'banality of evil' fashion that may fly under the radar and become an acceptable behavior. - kurttrail, on 03/31/2009, -11/+17There will still be tons of propaganda sites, like Townhall, HotAir, WND...even if every single paper fails. You wingnuts have nothing to worry about.
- PeppermintPig, on 03/31/2009, -0/+6Tiak, if you can't operate free from force, then it's no longer a freedom, but a privilege. I agree with you to the extent that removing taxes is not a form of subsidization, ergo overt control, however we are talking about government here, which would have the power to determine such a status and use it to manipulate the organization.
- jsmith39, on 03/31/2009, -3/+9All I know for certain is that today I woke up, grabbed a cup of coffee and was well on my way to having a great day. Then before 8am I found myself agreeing with Glenn Beck and now my whole day is going to be a train wreck.
- busket, on 03/31/2009, -2/+8Three things that aren't surprises:
A cable news network pundit doesn't think newspapers are relevant (seems like it's been a while since Beck has thought reality was relevant).
People on the internet don't respect print media.
Also, insecure people like using empty phrases like "anti-american". - Samurai77, on 03/31/2009, -4/+10NPR = National Proletariat Radio
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