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- Junkyarddawg, on 10/11/2007, -9/+191...and once again the administration shows how completely impotent the congress really is.
Three equal branches of government? Pah. There's quite obviously only one branch, and two weak twigs without any power at all. - iDragonFly, on 10/11/2007, -5/+172I like the idea behind the title of this thread.
Unfortunately, we-the-people, cannot claim 'executive privilege', nor do we have hand picked buddies on the bench. - jim1s, on 10/11/2007, -17/+162Bush and Cheney both should be impeached and thrown out of office for unconstitutional conduct. They and all the other globalists are purposely trying to ruin this wonderful country.
- Tobark, on 10/11/2007, -7/+116Revolt is coming. No one should be above the law. No one.
- Marijuana, on 10/11/2007, -6/+78I just watched Shooter, I'm going to take matters into my own hands, BRB.
- waxoff, on 10/11/2007, -4/+64Yeah because getting a blow job from a fat chick managed to single handedly ruin our international reputation, waste thousands of lives, waste billions of dollars and make us vulnerable to the Iranians. Oh wait that was Bush starting a war with Iraq.
- kenvsryu, on 10/11/2007, -2/+59I'd rather not be in the same class as dubya.
- felchdonkey, on 10/11/2007, -7/+37I don't understand the headline.
There's nothing in this article about a legal argument that would allow all Americans to reject subpoenas.
I can't stand the chimp-in-chief, but I gotta mark this one inaccurate. - subxero37, on 10/11/2007, -4/+32I am so tired of America. The original concept was pure genius. Today, such a concept in America is almost dangerous thinking. "If you don't listen to us and do everything we say, and let us get away with total *****, then the terrorists win!"
The American people should not be afraid of its government and the corporations and idiots running it.
The government should be afraid of the American people. - zephc, on 10/11/2007, -3/+31"Think I'll hire a few bimbos first thing tomorrow morning!"
I think that would require you first move out of your mom's basement and get a job. - havokzero, on 10/11/2007, -1/+21Nice going... you just managed to get every person who Dugg this page on the NSA watch list.
- TheAkolyte, on 10/11/2007, -2/+21Nerf executive branch!
- plncrzy, on 10/11/2007, -2/+20... and that's EXACTLY why it's such a problem. Bush shouldn't be allowed to pull this kind of *****. No one should. Politicians, celebrities, and the ultra-wealthy should be held to the SAME legal standards that "Bubba" was held to.
- subxero37, on 10/11/2007, -2/+19I guess those aren't among the first meanings that come to my mind. Well, that, and Impotence redirects to Erectile Dysfunction on Wikipedia.
I apologize for my previous useless comment. - MacSuxWindozSux, on 10/11/2007, -0/+17The democrats are about 50/50 with seats in congress and the senate. People say they are in power but in reality they need 60% of the seats to actually get anything done without George Bush refusing to sign the Bills into law.
- System6, on 10/11/2007, -3/+19"If Bush Rejected Subpoena That Means All Americans Can Reject Subpoenas"....right. Go ahead and try....let me know how it works out for ya... :)
- insinuate, on 10/11/2007, -1/+16http://img.breitbart.com/images/2007/6/28/D8Q1STG80/D8Q1STG80.jpg
God that is just pure EVIL. - inactive, on 10/11/2007, -1/+16As a not-so-wise man once said, "Fool me once, shame on- shame on you... fool me- you can't get fooled again."
- plantfood, on 10/11/2007, -2/+16nah, you have it all wrong. the legislative branch has no power. we have given the judicial branch the ability to make laws, and the executive branch has always been overpowered.
- blacklilyninja, on 10/11/2007, -2/+15waiting for the day the police walk in and arrest the prez and vice prez... while in office.
- masamunecyrus, on 10/11/2007, -0/+13The Judicial branch has quite a bit of power. Rather, it seems like two monsters who are at war with each other and a puny worthless twig in the middle that does absolutely nothing -- not even show up to work.
- waxoff, on 10/11/2007, -3/+16Bingo. I'll let the rest of you try that move first. Somehow I don't think anyone here could get away with the ***** Bush is attempting to pull now. At least not without ending up in a cell with "Bubba."
- mikal, on 10/11/2007, -1/+14Please forgive my ignorance (I'm not American), but I'm having a hard time understanding what really is going on. I though the subpoena was about documents related to the NSA wiretapping, but this seems to refer to "the Harriet Miers scandal", where Bush wanted to make her supreme court judge but had to back down. Are these cases related? What am I missing?
I tried searching Wikipedia for an overview, but no luck. I'd be grateful if someone could point me in the right direction. - evilpettingzoo, on 10/11/2007, -1/+14When I was a kid in school they taught us about the separation of power and how each branch watches over the other. WTF I guess we need to rewrite the text books now.
- cminardi, on 10/11/2007, -3/+14Let me explain it a little further - the president of the United States has the same rights as you or me with a few additional powers granted by the Constitution and some Amendments. However, none of those rights is to reject subpeonas whenever you choose. Sure, there is "executive privilege," the political concept that the president is entitled to privacy in exchanges between himself and his advisors. However, like with Nixon, subpeonas still override this concept and Bush is seeking a miracle from the Supreme Court with this decision.
I predict he'll have to turn over the documents since the current Supreme Court lacks judicial activism. If the Court rules in his favor (nearly impossible), then anyone like you or me could reject a subpeona. - Marijuana, on 10/11/2007, -3/+14It's sad that we fear our own government, our government should fear us. The U.S is basically a police state.
- rhabd0mancer, on 10/11/2007, -1/+11She was 22. Get your facts straight, moron.
- boobees, on 10/11/2007, -1/+10Why can't we just arrest them first so they can't do anymore damage, and then prove why they are guilty? Oh yeah, its unconstitutional. It kinda sucks when only one side plays by the rules. Why is it that the bad guys ALWAYS get away with it?
- ButterBuddha, on 10/11/2007, -3/+12Worst Administration Ever
- Frozo, on 10/11/2007, -2/+11Well, Clinton didn't exactly get away with it, did he?
- mikal, on 10/11/2007, -1/+10Yes, saying something like that is REALLY stupid. I hope you are not in the U.S.
See e.g. http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2001/12/20/211923/84 - scientician, on 10/11/2007, -2/+11Separate investigations: Congress has issued subpoenas relating to the illegal wiretapping done by the administration, and also relating to the exploitation of the Justice Department in the attorney firings. It is just coincidental that the White House has happened to flout the constituitonal powers of congress on both subjects at the same time.
- Preacherman, on 10/11/2007, -1/+9I hate to muddy this discussion with some facts, but here ya go. The issue here is the limits of something called Executive Privilege.
From Wikipedia...
"Executive Privilege is the power claimed by the President of the United States and other members of the executive branch to resist certain search warrants and other interventions by the legislative and judicial branches of government. The concept of executive privilege is not mentioned in the United States Constitution, but some consider it to be an element of the separation of powers doctrine, and/or derived from the supremacy of executive branch in its own area of Constitutional activity.
Presidents since George Washington and Thomas Jefferson have argued that each branch of government may operate with some degree of freedom from the control or supervision of the others..."
Read the rest here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Executive_privilege - knomevol, on 10/11/2007, -1/+9And when the President breaks the law, skyhigh? What then? Is breaking the law "Executive Privilege"?
They sure don't mind telling the people, "You were being spied upon - but you have nothing to fear if you haven't done anything wrong."
Time to practice what they preach. - fuzzmeister, on 10/11/2007, -4/+12You apparently are forgetting the "check" part. One branch _can_ force another branch to do something, be it through court order, impeachment, etc. That is the entire point. Each branch has a power over the others, creating the "balances" part.
- inhaler, on 10/11/2007, -3/+11Seriously guys, that's such a lameass meme.
- MacSuxWindozSux, on 10/11/2007, -1/+9As Sean Penns says, "they should be in ***** jail."
- zestyg, on 10/11/2007, -0/+8US v Nixon states that there is no "absolute, unqualified" executive privilege. This specifically covers subpoenas, as Nixon was seeking to dodge a subpoena by claiming the executive privilege. Bush would be hard pressed to prove, to the supreme court, despite his appointees, that his case is not covered by the precedent of US v Nixon, and would be required to hand over the documents. US citizens certainly can not violate subpoenas...djm0ther is an idiot.
- knomevol, on 10/11/2007, -0/+7Exactly right, cminardi.
We either regard the Constitution of the United States as the supreme rule of law it is, as is mandated by Article VI therein, or we have rule of man, as our President is seemingly trying to do.
We cannot have both, and really there is no decision. This nation is governed by the Constitution. Period. - HallEffected, on 10/11/2007, -8/+15first of all, it doesn't mean we could all reject subpoenas. Secondly, isn't this a repost? Yes, yes it is: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19480518/
- tHePeOPle, on 10/11/2007, -0/+7A great deal of this country longs for the prosperous days of Bill Clinton running the country, me included. Give me blowjob receiving Bill Clinton over war starting Bush any ***** day.
- s1mph0ny, on 10/11/2007, -2/+9I'm assuming that means you enjoyed shooter. I've been looking forward to watching it but haven't shelled out the cash just yet.
Anyone know if "widescreen" means 16:9, the box didn't say. Thnaks - tempusrob, on 10/11/2007, -0/+7Dude, mind control takes concentration!
- TheNik, on 10/11/2007, -2/+8I hope he can reject it because I keep getting these pesky letters from the RIAA asking for my hard drive.
- jgzman, on 10/11/2007, -1/+7Actually, I can think of no reason whatsoever that a CEO shouldn't get a Blow-Job and sodomize an eighteen year-old intern, as long as it's done ethically.
By that I mean no sexual harassment, no improper use of authority, no intern one day, manager the next, and by some stroke of luck the chick actually wanted to go down on the old fart just for the hell of it. Not bloody likely, though. - thugbear2005, on 10/11/2007, -1/+7follow blindly COINTELPROAgent. f***ing sheep
- CourtesyFlush, on 10/11/2007, -5/+11There's nothing quite like getting legal advice from thirteen year olds on teh intarwebs.
Whoever wrote the absurdity that is the headline has no business discussing the topic in any capacity whatsoever.
Buried for inaccuracy. - mrcoderga, on 10/11/2007, -1/+7"Decency, security, and liberty alike demand that government officials shall be subjected to the same rules of conduct that are commands to the citizen. In a government of laws, existence of the government will be imperilled if it fails to observe the law scrupulously. Our Government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the Government becomes a lawbreaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. "
-- Justice Brandeis of the Supreme Court, 1928 - scientician, on 10/11/2007, -3/+9Great, show us that part of the constituiton. Also show us one time where executive privilege was used to do anything other than hide horrendous behaviour by an administration.
"separation of powers" is not a phrase that appears in the constiution, and the US v. Nixon supreme court ruling puts some definite limits on so called executive privilege.
Besides, what would be so bad about congress being able to get info from the administration? If they were using the power foolishly and harassingly, the people can kick them out of office every 2 years instead of every 4 like for presidents. Seems a small risk for having effective oversight of the most dangerous branch. - khfn, on 10/11/2007, -0/+6Modern Globalism is _hardly_ what one would think of as "free trade".
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