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- phnx0221, on 02/13/2008, -29/+596"Americans no longer have an understanding of what it means to be free, we’ve become so accustomed to big brother’s hand that torture, spying without warrants, and engaging in illegal wars of aggression are to be expected. "
This is a worrisome trend that I have noticed myself. We have seen so many arrogant displays of lawlessness and disrespect with not only this administration, but a complicity congress, in regards to the Geneva Conventions, Habeus Corpous, Telecom Immunity, the Patriot Act, the Protect America Act, etc. What is worrisome, aside from the very fact that these laws have been passed, and the subversions to international law condoned, is that with so much being done, it's hard to keep track of it all. Even if we were to have members of the congress of actively represented their constituents, instead of actively ignoring them, and working to reverse these evasive and destructive laws, we would still end up with some of them in effect.
Now, I see that people are beginning to try to justify these measures in the name of the "war on terror", and "national security". This, I think, is most worrisome, as even though we may not have adequate representation in our government, and in fact, members that go against the wishes and will of the people, we must not allow ourselves to fall under the veil that this is okay, that it somehow is justified, that these actions will somehow make us safer, freer, and a more stable country.
When we are tracked, monitored, our personal, physical, medical and financial data is gathered and stored, when we live in fear of people of other ethnicities, religions, and countries, and most of all, when we live in a passive wariness with regard to our own government, we are certainly not free. We are certainly not safer, nor do we have the stability as we were led to believe. - inactive, on 02/13/2008, -11/+250FISA bill "modernized" at the expense of our Constitutional rights.
The terrorists at home and abroad can now claim a decisive victory in this war on terror. - inactive, on 02/13/2008, -12/+236I have always wondered why America as a whole has not noticed the sly way that this administration has taken spying on us as being ok? When Nixon spied on other politicians and he was impeached... why the hell hasn't anyone raised their voices? This is very scary... very scary indeed. This administration has humiliated us in the world's eyes.
- doyoulikeworms, on 02/13/2008, -5/+196I love my country, but hate my government.
- Hellman109, on 02/13/2008, -7/+159Im in Australia, willing to take any American refugees when the time comes.
- inactive, on 02/13/2008, -6/+142When in doubt, use terrorism and fear to get the legislation passed. This is the only legacy of consequence that Bush will leave behind.
- dotlizard, on 02/13/2008, -11/+120the government and corporations are so cozy, all wrapped up in each other like no one exists outside of just them, together. it's like, romantic or something.
well if it wasn't so terrifying and sickening. - syroncoda, on 02/13/2008, -95/+199worst. country. in. the. world.
reasons? it "pretends" to be the best and most free where everyone has the best opportunities.
lies and deceit. - Napoleone, on 02/13/2008, -23/+122February 12, 2008. The date fascism was cemented in America.
- GhostyBoy, on 02/13/2008, -4/+96They hate our freedoms so we better get rid of them.
- kinseyincanada, on 02/13/2008, -4/+86so you guys going to do anything or just sit back and take it?
- kp998, on 02/13/2008, -13/+90Remember these Dem clowns who gave a yes vote.
- sdellboy, on 02/13/2008, -5/+81Dear Freedom
Look, we've had some great times together and we've struggled with our differences over the years but I always thought we'd pull through and become stronger alongside one another. I know what you're think and no, this isn't about the other girl Terrorism I met a few years back - she's always been there throughout our history and I've managed to stand up to her times before this but, well, I just think it's time to move on. A small group of my friends seem to think we're better off taking some time apart, seeing other people, developing some business interests, instead of just you and I spending all our time protecting people's rights; after all, people won't mind if they're safe now will they? It's not too much to ask that you and I have a break as long as they're protected?
I hope you won't take this too badly. At least you've got Democracy you can talk to about all this, I know she'll understand the feeling. Maybe we can get back together next year sometime?
Once again, apologies about all this, but I feel it's for the best.
Yours,
America - inactive, on 02/13/2008, -6/+74Well said. It's a sad state of affairs. I can only imagine how long it will take for the masses to realise. Or perhaps they will never realise. Imagine a slave that thinks he is free; could there be a more ideal slave than that for the elite?
- jurnei, on 02/13/2008, -5/+63Well we have our work cut out for us. We need to get the names of the questionable Congress persons and be sure to remember their lack of courage and integrity at the next opportunity - during their re-elections.
Time to spread the word, and make sure no one forgets this moment! - counterspin, on 02/13/2008, -3/+60I believe this is a non-partisan issue, my friend.
- principle, on 02/13/2008, -6/+61We have passed the dreamy veil where “nothing was true and everything was permissible”, and are now firmly on our way to a harsh reality of the Orwellian world. The "BIG BROTHER IS WATCHING YOU" unpersons, who will be captured shortly by the Thought Police and then imprisoned, interrogated, tortured, and re-educated by the Ministry of Love to conform with the official reality as prescribed by the Ministry of Truth. Welcome. It is 1984.
- retrorambler, on 02/13/2008, -8/+61"Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
- Ben Franklin - goblindegook, on 02/13/2008, -1/+53Actually, it's the other way around: Obama voted Yea to end telcos' immunity, McCain voted Nay.
- ifnotme, on 02/13/2008, -1/+51Find out how your Senator voted here: YEA Votes are "good" they were votes to strike the provision from the bill. http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_li ...
- kezzerdrix, on 02/13/2008, -5/+49I'm from Europe and my government can only wiretap with a warrant! And telecommunications companies have no immunity for spying on us! I would like to know where you get your "facts"...
This is about personal freedom and not about democrats or republicans.
Try reading a book called "1984", and see the similarities to US... - inactive, on 02/13/2008, -2/+44I hope it can be retroactively rescinded.
- darfvader, on 02/13/2008, -2/+44"There are none more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free."
Don't know who said that, I saw it graffittied on a wall once. - ronpaul20008, on 02/13/2008, -1/+41we complain on the internet.
- chaos7, on 02/13/2008, -16/+56our government's reaction to 9/11 was totally idiotic
- sabach, on 02/13/2008, -1/+41My buddy in Toronto says I can crash in his freezer (he says it's a bit warmer in there)
- dagnome1984, on 02/13/2008, -8/+47"worst. country. in. the. world."
I think that part of the problem is that people fail to separate the actions of the government from the country. - OrangeTide, on 02/13/2008, -0/+36That has always been the American way. If some of these kiddies would read a book they would realize traditional American values are where you distrust the government (especially the federal government).
- inactive, on 02/13/2008, -2/+38"Imagine a slave that thinks he is free; could there be a more ideal slave than that for the elite?" excellent, can I quote that?
- inactive, on 02/13/2008, -2/+36"Have a lot to hide? " you write. Answer: none of your ***** business.
- dagnome1984, on 02/13/2008, -2/+35This conservative wants a strict adherence to the 4th amendment. Who says we should be like other countries? I thought the thing that made America great was a government that didn't have the power to trample of the rights of the indivdual. Maybe now we don't have nothing to hide, but with the constant amount of crap laws that are getting passed it wouldn't surprise me if certain types of speech would be labeled subversive. Would you want a government to have the power of wire tapping in that case? I think not. If you are more than willing to give up your 4th amendment rights. What lame rational will persuade you to give up your 1st amendment rights? Speech that you don't agree with? You see it would take far more than some fear of terrorists for me to hand over any of my rights to the government. When you do that, the terrorists win.
- neko6, on 02/13/2008, -6/+38Still better to live in America - that way the chances of your country being invaded by the US is 0...
- Napoleone, on 02/13/2008, -1/+33Bless ye, mate. I'll take shelter in some kangaroo's pouch. Whatever you got.
- kesam, on 02/13/2008, -2/+34I think the problem is just as much that Americans are so USED to freedom that they take it for granted and, as you say, don't understand the value of it. Most people just don't understand that their lives will change dramatically if these freedoms are removed - it's beyond their imagination to think so. Therefore everything is all just business as usual, and if the leaders at the top say it's ok to torture, then they probably know what they are talking about.
Unfortunately the Rumsfelds and the Roves at the top have studied the propaganda game a long time, and they play it very well. - Napoleone, on 02/13/2008, -1/+33That's not a novel. It's a ***** blueprint.
- bjornski, on 02/13/2008, -5/+36I just can't express how much of a brainwashed tool you are.
- roodammy44, on 02/13/2008, -3/+34Nothing to hide=nothing to fear.
Ahh, that time honoured argument.
Do you have curtains? Does your wife undress in front of the windows?
Hey - if she has nothing to hide, she'll have nothing to fear. - 16x9, on 02/13/2008, -0/+29I'm a Democrat and I couldn't agree more. With few exceptions, the only one of them worth a damn is Dennis Kucinich and he is being buried by his fellow Democrats because of his desire to see the president and vice-president face justice over their activities.
- OrangeTide, on 02/13/2008, -0/+28plenty of us notice. And we kick and scream the whole way. But people act like this is the first (or last) time the government has screwed us over. There are cameras everywhere these days, not as bad as parts of the UK, but still unacceptable. And some of our "leadership" want to dump out outdated ideas of privacy in order to "protect" us. I like to believe these leaders do it out of ignorance rather than out of malice, but either way the result is the same. Wasted resources to invade people's privacy and subvert their freedom.
And people wonder why Americans want to own guns. - ORBAT, on 02/13/2008, -8/+36Yes, good idea, deport everybody who derides the government. Say, that sounds a lot like some countries I've heard of, and one of them was dissolved in 1991. Ever heard of the place?
- pgoetz, on 02/13/2008, -5/+32DId Jackson completely bankrupt the country, reducing the value of the currency to rubble in the process? Destroy our reputation worldwide, making everyone believe that we are bullies, warmongers, and terrorists? Eviscerate the Constitution, turning the very concept of civil liberties into a joke? Make a majority of Americans lose faith in their own country? I think you've been reading too many college history textbooks written by imbeciles. The full weight of what George Bush has done to this country is not even upon us yet, and it's still already clear that he's the worst president ever.
- doyoulikeworms, on 02/13/2008, -3/+30The correct date is December 23, 1913.
- Barbosa, on 02/13/2008, -3/+29You can add people like this guy, who are actively seeking the erosion of our rights and completely accepting of the government intrusion into every facet of our lives, to the list of reasons why more Americans are not fighting tooth and nail against this creeping toward a surveillance state. Some Americans, unfortunately, actually want to see other Americans rounded up for being dissenters or for being Muslim or for thought crimes (or any other reason our government can think of). Some Americans (most of them Republicans) actually support the legislation that Bush has passed and Congress has refused to block or filibuster. That support, from American citizens, could be the biggest obstacle to ending the current trend of accepting the government intrusion that we face.
- ronpaul20008, on 02/13/2008, -0/+25not idiotic, carefully planned based on the fascist model.
- ronpaul20008, on 02/13/2008, -1/+26they're not idiots, because they are not after the "terrorists" there are no terrorists.. THEY are the terrorists, they are after us.
- bjornski, on 02/13/2008, -0/+24This guy would have LOVED Hitler.
Nothing to hide from Big Brother. Wants a big, strong leadership type to take command and "stamp out" the enemies of "his freedoms".
LukasSmith is the new "good German". - CitizenKing, on 02/13/2008, -1/+25Johann Wolfgang von Goethe, German poet, philosopher, scientist and member of the original Illuminati.
- navywifesandra, on 02/13/2008, -11/+35Duh...why does everyone think Ron Paul is so sh*t hot?? and why do you think theres a media blackout on him???
- lolinyerface, on 02/13/2008, -0/+24http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_li ...
Obama (D-IL), Yea
McCain (R-AZ), Nay
Not Voting - 2
Clinton (D-NY), - manicallday, on 02/13/2008, -7/+30As if terrorist use phones. They're just that stupid to use a phone. Terrorist don't use ***** phones! Why use a phone when you can freely use electronically-encrypted emails that take years to decipher? ***** idiots.
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