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- cleverboy, on 10/12/2007, -58/+233Screw it. I'll say it... People. Listening?
This kid NEEDED therapy. Was the mother wrong? She certainly could have handled things better. It sounds like she loved her son, and was actively seeking help on how to handle the problem, given her beliefs. Her son was experiencing deep emotional issues, he killed himself. Not every incident of nurture is the parent's "fault". Could a more accepting attitude from the mother have meant all the difference? Maybe. But if every kid who's parents strongly wanted something ELSE for them than they felt they wanted for THEMSELVES was blamed when they committed suicide, there'd be a lot of blame in the world.
Don't be idiots. Besides... the whole message from the mother really smells like a fake letter. Don't give in to the STUPID cycle of throwing around blame over family tragedies. - CobolNoFun, on 10/12/2007, -40/+202Attention unicornhunter, please get out of the genepool.
that is all. - empeethree, on 10/12/2007, -16/+130as Rufus the 13th apostle said "I think it's better to have ideas. You can change an idea. Changing a belief is trickier. Life should malleable and progressive; working from idea to idea permits that. Beliefs anchor you to certain points and limit growth; new ideas can't generate. Life becomes stagnant."
- weijie90, on 10/12/2007, -61/+143@unicornhunter:
I can't describe how insensitive and trollish you are. I was disgusted by that mother, and now I really hope you get dugg down -10000. - belgar, on 10/12/2007, -32/+113Dear jhubsch,
Thank you for doing so much to educate people regarding God's Law. I try to share that knowledge with as many people as I can. When someone tries to defend the homosexual lifestyle, for example, I simply remind him that Leviticus 20:13 clearly states it to be an abomination. End of debate.
I do need some advice from you, however, regarding some of the specific laws and how to best follow them.
a) When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing odor for the Lord (Lev 1:9). The problem is my neighbors. They claim the odor is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them?
b) I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus 21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her?
c) I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her period of menstrual uncleanliness (Lev 15:19-24). The problem is, how do I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offense.
d) Lev. 25:44 states that I may indeed possess slaves, both male and female, provided they are purchased from neighboring nations. A friend of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can you clarify? Why can't I own Canadians?
e) I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2 clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself?
f) A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an Abomination (Lev 11:10), it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I don't agree. Can you settle this?
g) Lev 21:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle room here?
h) Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Lev 19:27. How should they die?
i) I know from Lev 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes me unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves?
j) My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev 19:19 by planting two different crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments made of two different kinds of thread (cotton/polyester blend). He also tends to curse and blaspheme a lot. Is it really necessary that we go to all the trouble of getting the whole town together to stone them? (Lev 24:10-16) Couldn't we just burn them to death at a private family affair like we do with people who sleep with their in-laws? (Lev. 20:14)
I know you have studied these things extensively, so I am confident you can help.
Thank you again for reminding us that God's word is eternal and unchanging.
Your devoted disciple and adoring fan.
//asshat - defectDS, on 10/12/2007, -11/+89This is truely horrible. A gay kid's worst nightmare is coming out to his/her parents and being rejected. If my mom was like this, I wouldn't be surprised if I decided to killed myself as well.
I, myself, have set a coming-out deadline for prom night. Instead of the usual "we have to talk" approach, I am gonna blatantly ask her if she would reject me if I told her I am gay. If she says no, then i am good to go, have a great night and talk about it when I get back from Prom. But then if she says yes, I can pull of a "HAHA JK" and come up with a plan B.
Now that I know that my friends and acquaintances browse Digg, I suggest we talk. I'll be here, and on AIM. Just don't tell my parents yet. :)
Again, homosexuality needs more positive attention than it is getting. And I don't mean this "LANCE BASS GAY OMG SURPRISE" *****. Why does the topic have to be so taboo in the US? Other countries are fine with homosexuality, why can't we be? - mongocrush, on 10/12/2007, -5/+75Ok this posting sounds really fake, and here are the reasons why.
This was started in a forums on this thread http://www.freejesus.net/home/viewtopic.php?t=5423&highlight= by some lady named Betty. To sum it up her son told her that he was gay, she told the son that it was bad then she commented about it on that FreeJesus forum.
Ok next thread was this http://www.freejesus.net/home/viewtopic.php?t=5508&highlight= and she claims that her son killed himself because she said being gay was evil.
Ok now she has only 9 posts on that forum. It looks like someone wanted a bit of attention and made up this story about her son being gay and killing himself.
Also this sounds a lot like a book that was written in the 90's called "Prayers for Bobby" here's a link to that book http://www.amazon.com/Prayers-Bobby-Mothers-Coming-Suicide/dp/0062511238/sr=1-2/qid=1170213107/ref=sr_1_2/104-8715068-2545520?ie=UTF8&s=books Maybe someone just got done reading that book and decided they would act it out on that forum??
By the way "Betty" posted this back in October of 2004
Oh and I'm not one of those people that just goes around saying everything is fake either, I actually researched this post a bit before saying it was fake. - nixonrichard, on 10/12/2007, -8/+75Considering the woman on the forums currently only has 9 posts, I have a feeling there is a good chance this is not real. I hope this is the case.
As sick as it might be, this could just be someone who wants to find out how the people on the website would react. Don't trust everything you read on the Internet. I'm not saying it didn't happen, but given that it was a newbie posting, I think there's a good chance it was not real. - defectDS, on 10/12/2007, -28/+90"So when someone does wrong we should never tell them."
The kid was gay. He was not "being" gay. Homosexuality is natural; he cannot stop being gay. No one should be told that it is "wrong" to live and be who you are.
"He had reason to feel guilty and sinful."
I can assure you, this kid was not feeling "sinful." Being told that he was gonna go to hell for the way he was born probably repelled him away from religion. He did not kill himself because he knew God would send him to an eternal life in the bowels of hell, but because he just got rejected by his mother. The last place he could find security.
"I guess child molesters get upset because we don't accept their behavior too."
Again, Homosexuality isn't a choice, I can assure you.
"Homosexuality is an abomination."
"It wasn't his mothers fault and it's not her fault he overreacted and killed himself."
Chances are he probably suffered from depression. He felt he had no where to go. He would not have killed himself if the mother put her own son before her outrageous beliefs. She basically pulled an Abraham and stabbed her son in the heart. Just because the bible tells her so.
"His mother clearly loved him or would not try to save him from sin."
I don't think anything can break motherly love. Of course she loved him, but because of how she was brought up she tried to urge her child to impossibly "change his orientation," saying that homosexuality is an "unnatural temptation." According to some research, the urge to procreate is natural. It is hard-coded into our DNA. any human knows that. Anal sex is not a preference. Anal sex does not determine one's sexuality. Like a man would have sex with his wife whom he loves with all of his heart, two gay men are no different.
I gues what I am trying to sayt is that homosexuality is not a choice. It is not just a normal male who likes intercourse with another male more than a female. No. Put yourself in the kid's shoes.
EDIT: CrimsonBlur pretty much nailed it into bitesized tidbit. Thanks. :) - adamprawitz, on 10/12/2007, -2/+62I think this story is fake. Not the digg post, but the actual original thread. Come on, the woman goes on some forum to announce that her son killed himself, and all the while she is using animated smiles and *****. That just seems fake to me. When you lose a loved one, you don't give a ***** about smiley faces.
Does anyone else see what I'm talking about here? - MaryGallinger, on 10/12/2007, -6/+61Good luck! I hope everything goes really well with your mom. If it doesn't, just know that you're the better person - I hope you have a lot of awesome friends who can be there for you.
- ptcfast2, on 10/12/2007, -10/+65Just sickening. Myself being gay, I cam understand the pressure and emotional strain that probably put on the poor kid. It is hard enough to come out, let alone having to come out to a ***** fundamentalist. Why the hell can't these fundamentalists realize this one fact:
You want to know how I know I am gay? The same way you know you are heterosexual. I can't change it.
I just started to like guys when I hit puberty. I knew something was up and knew I has no control over it. Hormones can do a lot...a hell of a lot.
Sorry for the rant, but this story just made me cry & pissed me off at the same time. I feel so sorry for the kid, but not NEARLY as sorry for the mother who drove her kid to do such a thing. - pkakira88, on 10/12/2007, -7/+59no its not, its a good idea. Thanks for missing the point
- hehe, on 10/12/2007, -19/+64@cleverboy
Obviously, more than this mom was involved in the suicide. It does take a suicidal person to comitt suicide, after all. However, this mom escalated things. First of all, if she would have been understanding of his sexual orientation, which she refused to do despite the therapist's insistance that homosexuality was not something within the kid's control, the kid would have been okay. The mom was telling this kid that a large and uncontrollable part of his identity was wrong--that's like telling a black person that it's bad to be black and that they should be white, only 10 times worse. Of course, the mom believed otherwise, but she should have been thinking clearly enough to see what was going on.
Nonetheless, this woman was Under the Influence of Brainwashing Religion. Many religions have large issues with homosexuality and call a person's sexual orientation "a choice". This woman believed that gay people lived short, horrible lives and went to hell when they died. I cannot imagine how depressing it must be to have your mom so adamently opposed to a huge part of a self-identity for such foolish reasons as a bunch of hogwash some holy person supposedly said a long time ago.
It is extremely sad that a person died in part because his mom could not accept things about himself that were beyond his control. - CrimsonBlur, on 10/12/2007, -34/+76People have zero accountability? How about the accountability attributed to this mother for driving her son to suicide simply because, in her opinion, it is sinful to be gay? You say he overreacted? Yeah, killing yourself is obviously an overreaction to... what exactly? Who the ***** are you to say anything about it? It's hard enough for a gay person to come out to their friends and family, even today; think of how hard it must be to come out to your ignorant, fundamentalist mother who then proceeds to preach to you the fact that you are a sinner and if you do not "stop being gay" you will go to hell. People like you are the reason our country has gone to ***** in the past 6 years. You make me sick and so does this "mother", if we can even call her that.
- dgblackout, on 10/12/2007, -20/+55@ siszam: you're ***** sick, you know that?
you honestly think that anyone should be driven to suicide because of something they cannot choose? you're obviously a moronic, mindless, god-driven ***** if I've ever seen one.
if you want my reasoning on it; here it is. i think that no god exists, mainly due to the fact that people like you are so driven by god's divine ability to create supposedly "unethical" things such as homosexuality. I'm not gay myself, but I'm in no way offended by it. I'm rather glad that you are part of a breed of people who is slowly fading away, thanks to the media and increased social libertarianism.
if i were to stoop to the "god" level it goes like this, god created people, people occasionally are naturally gay, therefore gays were made by god, and you have no space to bitch.
okay? good. - igneon, on 10/12/2007, -2/+37google got it:
http://72.14.203.104/search?q=cache:0Qt-PlByF1UJ:talkingincircles.net/ - Crass22, on 10/12/2007, -6/+37@defectDS
Be true to yourself and others, and you'll be happy. - KyleRayner, on 10/12/2007, -14/+43"He had reason to feel guilty and sinful."
Hey Sizsam, are you married? If not, have you ever had sex? Guess what, according to the bible pre-marital sex is a sin. Ever stole anything in your life? Guess what. Ever thought your buddy's wife was kinda hot? Guess what.
Dude, dont forget the good book says not to point out the straw in your brother's eye until you remove the rafter from your own. Stop being a hypocrite or GTFO. - lazyrussian, on 10/12/2007, -6/+32Best of luck to you and have a great prom regardless of what your parents say.
- hyprmdrn, on 10/12/2007, -10/+35@siszam
I am follower of Christ and am disgusted by you. Apparently you go by the Christian label, but haven't looked into what following Christ is all about. What exactly do you mean by 'abomination'? All sin is equal in God's eyes: murder, lying, and not sticking up for the oppressed are equal and deserve death. In the Old Testament, God gave the 10 commandments and hundreds of Levitical laws were given for a very important reason: to point out the fact that we cannot follow them all! James calls the law a mirror (James 1:23) -- I don't remember a mirror ever making someone clean; mirrors only draw attention to the dirt of the viewer. In the same way, God gave the law to point out that we need to be redeemed because humans tend to fail at 'religion.' We're all born as abominations; you're not better than anyone else and have no right to judge. I'm guilty of judging sometimes, too. I am no better than you.
The good news is that, even though all the harsh punishments of the Bible apply, Jesus Christ -- God incarnate -- came down to earth and willingly took the blame and punishment was dealt accordingly, but to Him and not to us. Therefore God is still completely just and fulfilled His law, but God demonstrated all-lovingness by taking the pain and rejection upon Himself. siszam, if you truly call yourself a believer in this Gospel, then it's not too late to repent and start loving all people, no matter where they're at, like Jesus would. Sin is still sin, and that's why people need Jesus. - benijuana, on 10/12/2007, -0/+23thats highly plausible, and i hope you're right
- suprememilo, on 10/12/2007, -4/+23diggs' commenting section makes me lose faith in the world a little more every day. . .
- MikeyisaFag, on 10/12/2007, -2/+20It's a damn shame a person can't be who they are these days, and I feel really bad for the kid. I want to know when this is going to stop, if you think about it, I'm sure instances like this aren't uncommon. I have at least a dozen friends who weren't accepted when they came out, half of them were kicked out of their house (even if they were under 18). I'm beginning to think that the "adults" of this generation aren't more childish then their children.
I'm interested in what America will be like once todays youth (13-24) become the politicians and role models. As far as I'm concerned, just getting them to accept us as normal human beings with normal ways of life will be enough to let me die happy.
It's so unfortunate that children have to deal with this, I could only imagine what he went through and how shattered he was after his mother told him he was a sinner. I can garauntee you she didn't put it on him as gently as that, I could imagine she probably told him she was going to try to get him cured, or send him to a Christian therapist, or even to one of those camps. To imagine the anguish and despair he must've had in his being, I couldn't even imagine.
As far as I'm concerned, if she were put on trial for murder, the bitch would fry. - D4r7h3v1l, on 10/12/2007, -3/+19The best way to come out:
you (on phone): Come to the hospital! I've been in a car accident.
your mom: really? OH MY GOD!
you: nah. I'm just gay. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -3/+18Also remember:
% of Americans who are Christians - 75% - % of Christians in the American prison system - 75%
% of Americans who are Atheists - 10% - % of Atheists in the American prison system - 0.2%
American Federal Bureau of Prisons - 1997
Ericf, it sure seems like non christians are one HELL of a lot more moral and decent that you ***** bible humping *****, doesn't it!!
The term "Christ Puncher' describes you well!
No wonder the US is going to hell in a handbasket! - JorgeGonzalez, on 10/12/2007, -4/+19ASL?
- deannnnnn, on 10/12/2007, -11/+25@masamunecyrus
So the mother's beliefs indemnify her from blame? So there is nothing wrong with a member of the Super Adventure Club molesting a child because of his belief in the religion? If a person stones someone to death for having gay sex, did they do nothing wrong because it says to do so in the old testament and their particular belief still follows it fundamentally?
The reality is that gay people are 6x more likely to commit suicide because of the beliefs put out by these kind people. The mother is to blame, her religion is to blame, every homophobe (including you) carries some sort of responsibility in the suicide. If we had an accepting (not merely tolerant or even opressive as it is right now) society, people would be able to easily deal with their sexuality without going through a "coming out" process. - ZennZero, on 10/12/2007, -85/+99As horrible as UnicornHunter's comment is, I am not going to lie to you.
It was kinda funny. - Lionhart, on 10/12/2007, -1/+14"Well, hopefully he had not actually had gay relations yet, there is no sin in having temptation towards ANY sin, whether it be homosexuality, murder, stealing, etc. It is only a sin when it is acted on. I am sorry he committed suicide since he was NOT condemned before that."
@truebeliefs
I'm pretty sure christians consider suicide a sin. - benijuana, on 10/12/2007, -3/+15"As far as I'm concerned, if she were put on trial for murder, the bitch would fry."
Actually, what makes me equally sick (if not more) is that in a lot of places, she wouldn't. - Whackly, on 10/12/2007, -3/+15Belgar, I'd kiss you if I could.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+13People have a right to be gay.
Other people (even parents) have just as much of a right not to accept it.
She didnt handle it right, but she is entitled to her belief system as much as he is to be gay. - mancat, on 10/12/2007, -0/+11I think the best approach would be to make your coming out as hilarious as possible. Possibly get a clown?
- Kardde, on 10/12/2007, -3/+13I can't be the only one who read the article and decided straight-up that it was obviously made up and fake. The link that leads to the forum was a dead give away (no pun intended).
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+11So if you're a black person you can avoid being racially discriminated against by simply not telling people you're black?
You stupid *****!!
Why should I or any other gay person be forced to hide who we are because some ppl are ignorant *****?! - maiku00, on 10/12/2007, -6/+16Imagine a world with no religion
- Shneebly, on 10/12/2007, -1/+11"My other son's in college. I don't know where my husband is; he left five years ago and I havent seen him since."
I wonder why. - Wonderkind, on 10/12/2007, -2/+11For people who claim to be intelligent and open minded, diggers who hate ALL Christians are just as bad as bigots who hate all people of color. By HATING Christians, you condone hatred among everyone else. You are saying it's okay to hate people by the group they associate with regardless of their individual actions. Hate Osama = hate all Muslims.
You can hate what people do without hating the person. - Otium9, on 10/12/2007, -7/+16i can't believe your comparing gay people to child molesters your argument is completely invalid
- chicken101, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9I'm sure they'll understand. Have fun at the prom!
- dgblackout, on 10/12/2007, -18/+27seems fake, but overall it conveys a truth that's horrid about Christianity, or organized religion in general.
- benjie, on 10/12/2007, -7/+15Come on, people. Read what she wrote again. It's very very obvious that it's a setup. The person most likely isn't a woman, doesn't have a son, and sure doesn't have one that killed himself as described. A simple critical reading of "her" story shows a few obvious biases and mistatements about Christian beliefs. For example:
"but that his salvation was in danger if he did not resist his unnatural tempations. I told him how being gay would mean he would live a shorter life"
This is very obviously an attempt by an anti-Christian person or organization to stir up exactly the feelings being expressed here. - igneon, on 10/12/2007, -2/+10It doesn't sound like it's real. Who would post on a forum "My son killed himself!" as a topic, especially right after the act?
- evilesttoast, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8Anybody notice that the Jesus Christ forums logo was on fire?
- Vibratic, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9I know troll, and this is troll. Completely fake, and this person is getting a LOT of attention, laughing it up. And laughing even harder, rolling on the floor, because it hit front page digg. He's getting more attention he could have ever dreamed of.
"He started crying saying something along the lines of “I knew you wouldnt understand! You’re just like everyone else!” before running to his room and slamming the door."
A very cliche reaction, wording, and situation. The wording screams "fake" loudly. "Something along the lines of" is a very vague, and this next adjective is a stretch, but, male statement. People, especially concerned mothers, tend to take those kind of words VERY harshly, burning them into their mind. I've been there too, some very personal statements that hit your core hard aren't forgotten.
"I wouldnt be surprised if he’s the one who’s feeding my son all the homosexual propaganda about how its ‘ok’ to be gay. That, or how homosexuality has engulfed the media, making it seem ‘cool’ and ‘hip’ and how they were just another oppressed minority."
Everything the mother does or says is too perfectly bad. Yes, there are people like this out there. No, they do not rant on about specific points meaning to piss people off even more. That's what a troll does. He works you over with statements that are supposed to seriously insult your ideas. Especially the anti-christian people out there. Yeah, I admit it startled me into hatred when I first read it, but that's what a good troll does.
Even if this is real, which I highly doubt, saying Christianity caused this is like saying video games cause violence. "'Tis not the tools, 'tis the man." - Wonderkind, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9@p51d007
Oops! Pretty weak. Which God? Yours?
What if you're wrong about the God you selected?
What if you're praying to Bhuddah and Zeus is the right guy?
What if you're praying to Jesus and Thor is really God?
Your belief system is based on "I'm pretty sure I'm right".
Did you select a faith based on your parents guidance?
What the heck do they know, really? - JonnyTrombone, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7First thing I thought... While this sort of thing DOES happen- suicide is way more likely in gay/lesbian teens than straight teens- the "mother" doesn't seem real. Frowning emoticons in a post about her son's suicide- which she says she caused. Riiiiight.
- TheRealToma, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6A closed mind is like a closed book; just a block of wood.
- Chinese Proverb -
What a horrible tragedy. If you are a devoted Christian, please learn from this. Otherwise, this childs death would have been in vain. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8It's fake. Go to the thread where the woman posted. She has 9 posts. If you've ever been to a Christian message board before, you know that 90% of new posters are trolls ***** with the fundies. There is absolutely nothing interesting here. Don't get your panties twisted.
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