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- quakerorts, on 05/05/2008, -4/+67The best line from the article is the last:
"In my mind, this action by the Bush administration amounts to gross incompetence and dereliction of duty." - jaznova, on 05/05/2008, -3/+45Come again? This is simply an excerpt from a book written by 3-star General Sanchez, the commander of U.S. Forces in Iraq in 2003-2004. That, of course, is the period of time immediately following 'Mission Accomplished: End of major combat operations.'
Aw, hell, it's just Spaza. - riverrunner, on 05/05/2008, -4/+44He knew he needed to cover his ass by bullying his subordinates.
- inactive, on 05/05/2008, -3/+33I laughed when it was revealed that he was using a machine to sign the condolence letters sent to the families of soldiers who were killed in action.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A108 ...
Here's Rumsfeld's statement after his ass got busted:
"I wrote and approved the now more than 1,000 letters sent to family members and next of kin of each of the servicemen and women killed in military action. While I have not individually signed each one, in the interest of ensuring expeditious contact with grieving family members, I have directed that in the future I sign each letter."
Can you imagine the outcry from the right had this happened under a Democratic administration? You'd still be hearing about it on Fox News today. - fancypantscz, on 05/05/2008, -1/+28FTA: "Yes, sir. Our report validated everything you told us — that Franks issued the orders to discard the original twelve-to-eighteen-month occupation deployment, that the forces were drawing down, that we were walking away from the mission, and that everybody knew about it. And let me tell you, the Secretary did not like that one bit. After we went in to brief him, he just shut us down. 'This is not going anywhere,' he said. 'Oh, and by the way, leave all the copies right here and don't talk to anybody about it.'"
I wonder what happened to that report by the Joint Warfighting Center. I'm sure that would be an interesting read. Maybe we will find them with all those missing White House emails that, by rule of law, are supposed to be saved.
With all the opportunities to do things right in Iraq and almost none of them having been taken, I think it is only a matter of time before the Bush administration is found guilty of -- yes -- "gross incompetence and dereliction of duty" -- but perhaps more precisely -- willful negligence... - Apokalyps2547, on 05/05/2008, -3/+263-star General Sanchez vs Jimmy Spaza?
No contest. - swrostmore, on 05/05/2008, -4/+26Why does Jimmy Spaza hate the troops?
- swrostmore, on 05/05/2008, -5/+25According to Jimmy Spaza, our troops are "biased" "liars" and "propagandists." Your words, sir. Your words.
- Apokalyps2547, on 05/05/2008, -1/+20My bad.
The other day here on Digg someone else argued we had found WMDs and he was dead serious. I figured you might be another nut. - loganhid, on 05/05/2008, -4/+23well at least he was right on the WMDs being in Baghdad
- chas46, on 05/05/2008, -3/+21 Wow, if this is true....all I can say is wow
- moxley, on 05/05/2008, -2/+19No...they got exactly what they wanted. they WANTED IRAQ to become a civil war zone. They WANTED this.For several reasons - for one thing it enabled so much of the graft and criminal activites (on so many different levels, from the oil, to the billions of cash flown in on pallets to the CPA down to the theft of treasures and national antiquities) - but most of all they wanted the disorder and the continuance of war and it's profits- with the ultimate goal being Iraq separated into several oil producing regions and a permanent staging area in the middle east.
- loggia, on 05/05/2008, -1/+18What did he know? Does it really matter? These people didn't want to know the facts. They wanted to execute what they call their national priorities. They even say this all time.
This is why the facts change, but their actions never do. They keep doing what they want and finding reasons to do it.
This is the essence of neoconservatism. It's why they all sound they're insane, but they're not. Their actions are consistent. It's just their reasons that aren't - loganhid, on 05/05/2008, -1/+15Sarcasm
- licnyc, on 05/05/2008, -2/+16"It's an exerpt from a book though"
Jimmy thats the rectangular thing with lots of pages and words. - inactive, on 05/05/2008, -3/+16There's no article though. The whole thing is Sanchez' own words. So if you think the "article" is one-sided and biased you must be saying the same thing about the author.
- inactive, on 05/05/2008, -1/+14When a 3 star general says, "In my mind, this action by the Bush administration amounts to gross incompetence and dereliction of duty," there's not really any way you can say that it was spun or taken out of context.
- inactive, on 05/05/2008, -3/+15It's an exerpt from a book though.
- JedicodeWarrior, on 05/05/2008, -2/+12He knew everything! Man needs to be drug into streets and tarred and feathered.
- rheaume, on 05/05/2008, -1/+10How Much Did Rumsfeld Know? EVERYTHING
What are you going to do about it? ***** NOTHING - inactive, on 05/05/2008, -3/+11'Believing' that saddam had weapons isn't even close to invading and killing untold thousands, or are you idiots such bush lovers that you don't see that?
oh, and no matter what the russians and the french may have given iraq, can you admit what WE gave them? can you say, chemical and biological weapons, hand delivered by Rummy?
or are you delusional nutballs in denial, because facts don't coincide with bush's rewriting of history....? - londubh, on 05/05/2008, -1/+9As Rummy said, "There are known knowns. These are things we know that we know. There are known unknowns. That is to say, there are things that we know we don't know. But there are also unknown unknowns. There are things we don't know we don't know."
He knew! - loggia, on 05/05/2008, -0/+8well a least he was right about using a machine to sign condolence letters for fallen soldiers
- normlsparky, on 05/05/2008, -0/+7you have developed an excellent justification process. to paraphrase your words- "your dumb, naive, whiny and others have done worse." it seems like a multi-purpose response that could be applied to any given situation in order to avoid personal responsibility.
- YogiWanKenobi, on 05/05/2008, -0/+7Rumsfeld is just doing his part as a PNAC sleeper agent--notice his name among the many other names on this letter later appointed into the Dubya administration:
http://newamericancentury.org/iraqclintonletter.ht ... - masterm1nd, on 05/05/2008, -0/+7^^ trash in general...
- twtmc, on 05/05/2008, -2/+9Rumsfeld STILL doesn't know anything.
- gigasquid, on 05/05/2008, -3/+9He knew EVERYTHING. And he WILL be held accountable.
- Shuukyoku, on 05/05/2008, -0/+6But keep in mind that this is how these people get into power. Politics is an interesting type of game, because its one where you have to win before you can play. And these guys spend their lives working their way up through the political machine, learning how to get their way through deception, misdirection, and outright conspiracy. Of course this means that by the time they get to the upper echelons of power, they have become total moral degenerates.
Rumsfeld was never supposed to be the 'brains' behind the operation. Rumsfeld was the pitbull they kept around for when they needed a congressman mauled. Of course, then the neighbors complained and Rumsfeld was taken out behind the West Wing and...given a massive pension.
Man, ***** that system. - veloscaper, on 05/05/2008, -0/+6their actions aren't malicious to them but motivated by greed.
You can't really explain it all (from WMD, Invasion, to Occupation for 5 years) on just incompetence when every fricken action lines their pocket. Even their in-action or status quo lines their pocket while every talk show tells them they are screwing up and what they can do to fix it.
- normlsparky, on 05/05/2008, -0/+6accurate analogy. wal-mart is run by a bunch of ass kissing yes men who retain an army of lawyers 365 days a year to mop up their disastrous policy blunders. how is this any different from how the bush administration operates?
- NelsonR, on 05/05/2008, -2/+7Why would this article not be a surprise to anyone?
Because most of us realize Rumsfeld is a twin of Bush and Cheney, cowards lacking any ethics or morals. Yet they think they are Religious right Republicans who are godly.
Rumsfeld was always a moron and like Cheney a man who never served in the military but had no compunction in sending others to their deaths. SAD. - dbs1221, on 05/05/2008, -1/+6This is ***** disgusting, Sanchez should get a medal, and Rumsfield should be arrested and have his pension taken away.
- Beatmiser, on 05/05/2008, -0/+5Did he step down or was he fired? I was of the impression it was the latter.
And honestly, I'm not entirely willing to let the current administration have a pass on having ***** this country into it's worst shape in my 32 year lifetime. Honestly, a war, a recession, and all of that with a failing infrastructure. No sir, It's not about wanting to see someone drawn and quartered it's about accountability. - YogiWanKenobi, on 05/05/2008, -2/+7Maybe their choice of the tagline "Global War on Terror...Always"
- elipabst, on 05/05/2008, -2/+7And then George Bush would fly in as Chimpy McFlightsuit and give the infamous Mission Accomplished speech and look like a complete retard? I don't buy it. They're just totally ***** incompetent. To make things worse they fill their ranks with yes men and true believers who are grossly unqualified. The Katrina debacle is just another example of it. No, I go with Napoleon on this one..."Never ascribe to malice that which is adequately explained by incompetence. "
- flaknugget, on 05/05/2008, -2/+7What Secretary of Defense has ever fully paid for their sins?
I not saying they were all bad or unqualified, but many have left huge messes they were never justly punished for. - loggia, on 05/05/2008, -1/+5well at least he was right about not needing a large amount of troops
- ghosttrainhobo, on 05/05/2008, -0/+4Could they all really be that dumb? George Bush, sure. But Cheney and Rumsfeld? How much have they and their cohorts profited from this?
- mikelieman, on 05/05/2008, -0/+4How about just Indicted, Arrested, Arraigned and Tried for his crimes?
- mushtakrakish, on 05/05/2008, -0/+4he knew everything. really? we're still asking this question?
- inactive, on 05/05/2008, -1/+5NO. YOU are on MY side whether you like it or not. It's the establishment haves against us have-nots. I'm the best friend you've got buddy. better wake up and realize the fake left wing and right wing paradigm controls and brainwashes the sheeple.
- Shuukyoku, on 05/05/2008, -0/+4I think the issue here is more the bad decision-making, the lying, the putting down his lies into writing, the threatening people with their jobs, the filling empty positions with your own cronies, the getting us into ridiculous wars, the fact that he didn't know that this stuff was going on (can the Secretary of Defense use "I didn't know this ***** was going on," as an excuse?)...oh, and the serious overuse of the American flag on, well, everything.
- spawnfree, on 05/05/2008, -0/+3you are looking at it from some kind of moral perspective.
The people who are getting rich call it 'mission acomplished' and hand out big prizes to those that helped them.
can we follow the money and get these people locked up yet? - veloscaper, on 05/05/2008, -0/+3then hanged.
- fancypantscz, on 05/05/2008, -0/+3SillyRabbits, your arrogance is simply astounding.
"To have people still going over the reasoning with a fine-tooth comb looking for inconsistencies, many years later, is a little silly."
A LITTLE SILLY?!? Try explaining that to the millions of displaced Iraqis that our government refuses to take responsibility for and to the future refugees of the next country some lunatic US president decides to 'liberate' without ever learning from the mistakes of operation Iraqi Freedom. Or is it that the lives of non-Americans don't count? I mean, if you know something that I don't -- like non-Americans aren't really human in the same sense as Americans are and they are actually just expendable resources put in place for our ultimate benefit -- kind of like cattle -- then you should explain yourself because apparently I'm confused here.
"for the overall good of the world"
Well I'm glad we have someone here on earth to decide what is best for everyone. I mean with you around who needs democracy? Who needs science? Who needs any of the human institutions we attempt to use to make the best decisions possible when YOU already know what is needed to bring overall good to the world. I apologize for caring about what my representative government is doing on behalf of my interests. I guess I didn't realize that I wasn't meant to actually know or to think about what is actually going on in Washington and what a sham our democracy actually is and always has been. - lhbaker, on 05/05/2008, -1/+4Here's your statement again, Spaza, with just one minor edit: When the Bush Administration dispenses with its bias, inuendo, lies, distortions, and propaganda, then maybe the rest of us will pay attention to them.
- GhostyBoy, on 05/05/2008, -3/+6This entire administration knew exactly what they wanted to do from day 1.
Iraq was planned, Afghanistan was planned, Iran was planned. The ONLY guy who didn't know what was going on was probably Bush because he's just a yes-man dressed up like a President. -
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