What is Digg?77 Comments
- thecoolestguy, on 03/20/2008, -5/+19--
Collactive Inc. is an Israel based privately held start-up company. Collactive offers a system designed to influence ratings on sites which allow users to rate articles or other items, notably Digg and Reddit.
Collactive launched publicly in May 2007, with US $2 million in startup funding from Sequoia Capital.
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Shouldn't people know about this? - thecoolestguy, on 03/20/2008, -6/+17---The prime minister of Israel was a hard-liner named Yitzhak Shamir, who in pre-independence days was the gun-wielding leader of the smallest and most extreme of militant Zionist factions. Faced with a wave of Jewish immigrants from the collapsing Soviet Union, Shamir's government was throwing up new housing as fast as possible. To ease the costs of massive borrowing, it was seeking $10 billion in loan guarantees from Washington. Bush and Baker wanted Shamir's pledge that he wouldn't use the loan guarantees toward expanding controversial Jewish settlements in the Israeli-occupied West Bank and Gaza Strip. It was a promise Shamir didn't want to make. He instructed AIPAC to get the guarantees through Congress over the administration's objections.
The crunch came one day that September when AIPAC dispatched more than 1,000 members to Capitol Hill to lobby members of Congress. ----
1,000 ***** lobbyists! Why doesn't the media talk about this!? - thecoolestguy, on 03/20/2008, -8/+17I'm informing people that this effort exists on the part of the Israel lobby. Shouldn't people know there is an organized effort to shape their opinion in favor of Israel?
also this:
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Collactive Inc. is an Israel based privately held start-up company. Collactive offers a system designed to influence ratings on sites which allow users to rate articles or other items, notably Digg and Reddit.
Collactive launched publicly in May 2007, with US $2 million in startup funding from Sequoia Capital.
-- - foopirata, on 03/21/2008, -3/+9"coordinated efforts of the Ziontologists to mold the opinions of we Americans." - ok, let's see - if someone puts up a site, let's say, just for the sake of discussion, www.brownpuddinglocomotion.net and use it to concentrate news about impending manifestations against the use of sunflower oil in American cooking and a blog about the horrors of the Micronesian occupation of Billabonga, isn't that a "coordinated effort to mold the opinions of Americans" ? Or is it legitimate because you call yourself American? But the Internet is not American, it is global. So what's "molding the opinions" for some, is just bringing information to others. More-so, the Megaphone concentrator doesn't appear to be adding opinions - it merely brings out the links, so it seems. In that way, it is LESS of an "opinion maker" than, say, Digg! So, are you against Digg as well because it is a "coordinated effort to mold the opinions of we Americans" ?
And dude, you should know of manipulation - you're already truly manipulated, so much so you can't even see it. - thecoolestguy, on 03/20/2008, -5/+11--Could you provide the source for that Mission Statement? Because it doesn't appear anywhere on collactive.com.--
I got it from wikipedia. There are plenty of articles on the internet in tech magazines about it, the
--And I don't care if people know about it or not. I just care that you are attributing it some mythical power to manipulate the internet.--
I don't think I'm attributing anything to the organized Israeli effort to propagandize the population that is not true. For ***** sakes a top Israeli government official has promoted this. It is marriage of the Israeli lobby living in the West, with the Israeli government, which is dangerous for those who don't want tax dollars going to Israel. - thecoolestguy, on 03/20/2008, -8/+13I'm not exagerrating the Israeli lobby's organized and concerted effort to manipulate public opinion. I'm not exaggerating the subservience that US politicians show to Israeli policy.
No matter what I say though, you will disagree of course. The only thing you care about is Israel. - foopirata, on 03/22/2008, -2/+6Nothing wrong with you publicizing this, at all.
We are eagerly waiting for your next chapters where you'll show the public opinion reshaping efforts of Saudi Arabia, the NRA, Big Tobaco, Your Politician Of Choice, kindergarten teachers and ice cream vendors.
Or are you going to (gasp! shock!) single Israel out ? - foopirata, on 03/22/2008, -2/+6Translation: "I am not able to maintain the level of dialogue that I was faking at, and you people presented arguments I cannot refute, so I'll just make some general declarations in the hope that readers will look kindly upon me, and exit stage left before I get more throughly corrected."
Go with G-d, my poor, poor, misguided child. - foopirata, on 03/21/2008, -3/+7And the Starbucks flavors! Don't forget the Starbucks flavors, we Jews created them to raise the level of frustration by the guys behind the guys that can't decide what they really want and don't speak Starbuckish.
- hadees, on 03/21/2008, -3/+7Except the Israeli government had no involvement in the development of the application or running it. A couple officials merely commented on it. You are also making it out to be something which it is not. No one has yet responded to the fact it is nothing more then a glorified RSS reader.
- wpi97, on 03/21/2008, -1/+5"Shouldn't people know about this?"
Indeed, they should. The people should know more about the US investments in Israel. For instance, they should know that many generations of Intel CPUs are developed and produced in Israel. Maybe then they will have an answer to the question you keep asking "Why is the US giving money to Israel". - wpi97, on 03/22/2008, -2/+6"Shouldn't people know that organized Jewish groups are coordinating to shape public opinion in western populations through the use of this software"
Ever heard of this strange thing, called "freedom of speech"? When politicians put up fliers, tv ads, and have televised debates, they are trying to shape public opinion. When companies put up billboards and commercials on tv, they are trying to shape public opinion. Lots of groups and organizations like the NRA or the ACLU or the Center for Disease Control make public statements and press releases trying to shape public opinion. Saudi Arabia has been pumping tons of money into the departments of Islamic or middle eastern studies of US universities to shape the public opinion of Americans. Shouldn't people know about all that? - inactive, on 03/20/2008, -8/+12he's a ziontologist after all
- wpi97, on 03/21/2008, -4/+8Do not attempt to adjust the picture. There is nothing wrong with your television. We, the Jews, now control the transmission. We control the horizontal, and the vertical. We can make you attack Iran, and be friends with Saudi Arabia. We can also make you hop on one foot, while singing Hava Nagila. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hava_Nagila
Yes, I know, I am repeating myself. But I will keep posting this, as long as nutjobs like thecoolestguy keep spewing nonsense about Jews controlling the media, the government, or the public opinion in the US. - wpi97, on 03/21/2008, -4/+8"I'm far more pro-Israel than you are."
ROFLMAO!!!!! - neocognitism, on 03/20/2008, -3/+6Hi chouch.
- wpi97, on 03/23/2008, -1/+4"I don't see wars being waged for Big Tobacco, or $3 billion in US tax dollars going to Saudi Arabia. I see Israel's PR efforts as more dangerous to the US because of its political efficacy."
And what was the first Gulf war? Chopped liver? Remember, in 1991, when Saddam occupied Kuwait, and the Saudi government soiled their collective pants, and begged the US to step in? A war was fought by the US, in large part to protect Saudi Arabia. It is the presence of the US troops on Saudi soil that "angered" Osama Bin Laden, who "expressed" this anger by killing 3000 Americans. It is the first Iraq war, which inevitably lead to the current Iraq war. So please don't tell me that expressing support for Israel is dangerous to the US interests, and the Saudi Lobby is not.
"wpi, you're the guy who was saying that the USS Liberty wasn't attacked on purpose by Israel, aren't you? What credibility do you have? None."
I certainly have more credibility than someone, who keeps bringing up a conspiracy theory debunked many times over, which has nothing to do with the topic of the discussion. But, what the heck, I'll bite.
Repeat after me: people make mistakes. In a war sometimes wrong targets are attacked. Sometimes even one's own troops get fired upon, which is called "friendly fire". There is no proof that Israel attacked USS Liberty, knowing that it was a US ship. Israel had nothing to gain by attacking a US ship, ergo there is no motive. Purposefully attacking a US ship would have been the stupidest thing to do for the Israeli military. Israeli military is not that stupid.
"You have no respect or care for anyone except Jews. The only thing you care about is your ethnicity and Israel."
Wrong. I care about and respect many things and many people, who are not Jewish. However, I do care about Jews and Israel a great deal, and I see nothing wrong with that. If Jews don't care about Jews, then who will? - wpi97, on 03/21/2008, -2/+5You are asking neocognitism a direct question? You should know by now what the answer will be, right? "You are a ziontologist, antisemite and anti-gentile! I am pro-Israel here! I am so pro-Israel, that I will not rest until the IOF is dismantled, and all the Israeli Jews are exterminated by Hamas! And you just keep repeating your canard: "It's not us, it's them"."
- hadees, on 03/21/2008, -4/+7Neocgnitism I read every word of your crappy deflection. You don't want to discuss the specifics of the program because when you do your house of cards starts to fall apart.
The best you seem to be able to come up with is some sort of weird moral argument that you don't back up very well. Considering I got a minor in philosophy i am kind of insulted. But from what I garner you find it morally wrong for people to have links provided to them.
Oh and last time I checked there were many anti-Israel blogs that only provided one point of view, say like Electronic Intifada. They even have an email list that sends you an email every time they update their site. So I guess that is morally wrong too?
Call me all the names you want. This isn't like the height of the cold war. You won't be able to make your Mccarthyism statements with out being challenged. - hadees, on 03/21/2008, -2/+5I don't use megaphone. I just question the demonization of what is nothing more then a glorified RSS reader. But if sharing links and polls with real life human beings is a PR stunt and means you are sociopath then everyone on Digg must be one. Ironically after having this discussion with you might not be that far from the truth.
But yet again I ask how is this software different from other methods of sharing links such as a blog or a RSS feed? - hadees, on 03/21/2008, -3/+6No it wasn't. It was release by a company called Collactive and they have no ties to the Israeli Foreign Ministry.
- thecoolestguy, on 03/20/2008, -7/+10The Israeli government promotes this, we don't know if they fund it directly, but at least two of their paid officials have endorsed it in their official capacity. US tax dollars paying for Israeli government officials to promote a propaganda effort to influence American constituents, that's not something the ordinary American would find palatable.
- wpi97, on 03/22/2008, -2/+5I am surprised, neo. You forgot to say "END OF THREAD!"
- foopirata, on 03/23/2008, -1/+3thecoolestguy: please, tell me why among ALL other "public opinion manipulators" it is Israel/Jews that bunch up your panties. Perhaps if you come out and say it, we'll all understand what it is that is so damaging, more than, say, Saudi Arabia or tobacco, and we can put the question down to rest.
"You have no respect or care for anyone except Jews." - please, dear, wrong conclusion - I have no respect or care whatsoever for sick puppies like Rocket99, neocognitism, Hipparchos or WaltDismal and their white supremacist (ain't that funny? I'm as white as them!) fights of fancy.
You wouldn't imagine the amount of respect I have for other people that not Jews. The only thing they need to do to gain my respect, is....are you ready? They just need to respect me.
"wpi, you're the guy who was saying that the USS Liberty wasn't attacked on purpose by Israel, aren't you? What credibility do you have? None." - I see what you mean. It seems you are just forgetting that, without proof, your argument (that Israel _did_ attack on purpose) is not credible either. Just to put the discussion on a nice tangent. - wpi97, on 03/22/2008, -2/+4And it is wpi97, not 87. At least get the usernames right.
- thecoolestguy, on 03/20/2008, -6/+8I didn't say the Israeli government funds this, I said they fund propaganda efforts, which they do. They allocate a certain amount of money for PR, and have contracted PR firms in the US. Don't misrepresent what I wrote.
--In fact US Aid to Israel is highly regulated with the vast majority of the aid being required to be spent in the United States.--
No it isn't, there is very little auditing and oversight on how that US aid is spent. Bush Sr. once tried to suspend guaranteed US loans to Israel until Israel stopped building settlements, and the reaction was 1000 AIPAC lobbyists swarming Capitol Hill.
The Israel lobby's propaganda efforts are damaging. - hadees, on 03/22/2008, -2/+4huh?
- yonoz, on 03/23/2008, -1/+3"so someone is not allowed to single Israel out for criticism?"
It depends why. The racial/religious motivations are self evident for users such as Rocket99, neocognitism, WaltDismal, Hipparchos and the rest of the "white" pride. What's your motivation? - hadees, on 03/22/2008, -2/+4neocognitism, there is no moral defense of the software other then the fact it is not morally negative. It was you that made it seem like you haven't been a faithful participant when you resorted to long name calling tirades and refused to respond to my specific points. When pushed further you then fashioned a moral argument with no actual argument and called me more names. You can't just say it is morally wrong you have to actually provide proof that providing people with links, akin to an RSS feed, is morally wrong.
It isn't that I think you are a bad writer per say but rather that your points hold no water if you compare what the software does to say the Electronic Intifada email list or an RSS feed from any anti-Israel blog. But me thinks you flatter me to much when you claim I am part of a PR agency. I am but a humble proponent of the truth and feel a need to challenge McCarthyist tactics. A lesson you might take away from this is that a civil debate is always better. When you constantly bring it down to the level of petty name calling it will always make the party that doesn't resort to that look better since they need nothing but the weight of their arguments.
In summation you always say you are so pro-Israel and Zionists aren't but you never explain exactly what that means. This seems to be a running theme. Oh and what do your "morals and ethics" say about name calling when someone is trying to have a civil debate? - foopirata, on 03/21/2008, -4/+6"If one uses an RSS feed for the same function, in the same way, as the megaphone software, it's the same damn thing." - considering that it IS a glorified RSS feed, you can't really use "an RSS feed" in any other manner. So that's bull.
"Rather, what is the function, and how is it used?" - Linux is used by the US Army as a base for some of their fire-control software. Does this make Linux "immoral and unethical" ?
"and if you use the megaphone tool there is no competition from different sources" - that's the purpose of using RSS feeds, if you haven't noticed - you get targeted content based on the preferences of the publisher, but mostly based on the choice of the person setting it up. Baseless verbiage.
"and it ensures commonality of look and function which is valuable from a PR propaganda marketing standpoint" - that's complete *****. What does that mean, every anti-virus that has a pop-up window is morally reprehensible to you? Digg's front page is morally reprehensible to you? Both concentrate "news" in the same look and function. As to "valuable from a PR propaganda marketing"...that's just inane verbiage, makes no sense whatsoever.
"Therefore, if it is used for the same function, to spread propaganda to move people and sociopathically get them to pathololigically affect an otherwise free egalitarian chat board, then it's immoral and unethical." - ah, like your mass digg shouts! Now I get it! (rolls eyes) - urik88, on 03/21/2008, -4/+6Gah I don't get it. You people always claiming that all of us use that tool and that we manipulate the public opinion that way.
I never had that software and from the comments that I saw over here, also most of the other Zionism supporters don't. We just check our friend's activities.
Please tell me how many zionism supporters do you usually see over digg?
Me, foopirata, yonoz, czman, israeligirl, neko6, iconoclast25, pamit, and some lone others. Yeah that's "Israel manipulating the internet"! We are so much, chronically burying articles. Not letting the truth get exposed!
You see, we're so much and so powerful, that we made you believe that 9/11 was made by Israel, so you had an internal affairs war and couldn't see how we control your lives. - hadees, on 03/21/2008, -4/+6LOL, you still haven't told me why the software is different from an RSS feed. And now you are attributing some sort of moral wrongness to a glorified RSS reader providing links to stories and polls. So maybe you'll explain why it is morally wrong to provide people with links? I guess Digg is morally wrong too. But it isn't like you will actually answer my question. You will only call me some new name and totally ignore my points.
I don't respond to these ***** stories to change minds like yours. I am doing this because I don't want your voice to be the only one someone hears. I truly believe anyone reading your nonsense off tangent rant won't be fooled. - neocognitism, on 03/21/2008, -3/+5It's really sad how spearheading the defense of something like the Megaphone tool has fallen to you, and you've just gone gangbusters to do just that. You're acting more like foopirata at this point.
I guess it makes sense though. Ziontology is about a lizard-brain authoritarian team-mentality, so ethical and moral concerns aren't considered except as additional leverage.
Carry on. - foopirata, on 03/22/2008, -3/+4jeez, by all means, discuss all you want. it's not like you're doing any discussion anyway, dear.
just be sure you use facts, not suppositions. or, in your case, suppositories. - hadees, on 03/21/2008, -7/+8I'm defending Megaphone because anyone can use the software called Web Assistant. You for example could start one to spread your anti-Israel feelings. Second it is only a glorified RSS reader. It doesn't hold any mythical conspiracy power. It is just like an RSS feed from an anti-Israel blog.
But if you want to call me an ***** for pointing out the fact the tool holds no real power over other means of finding articles and polls, such as say Digg, then go right ahead.
Maybe it is because I am a computer programmer but I am shocked you can't see it is no better then an RSS feed. Or maybe you are only interested in spreading a conspiracy so that when things on the internet don't go your way you can blame it on a glorified RSS feed.
Here is an idea if you think Web Assistant is so big, bad, and special please explain to me how it is different from an RSS feed from a blog telling be about anti-Israel articles and polls. - neocognitism, on 03/20/2008, -4/+5Okay well I heard that one method to do that is to call them and tell them you are going to kill all of them and you put a bomb in their building. That's how you can get started really quickly. I'm not advocating, that's just something I read some other backlash-type did. Let us know how your backlash goes. You may not call me collect.
- hadees, on 03/21/2008, -6/+7P.S. You are really good at making up names to insult pro-Israel but you have yet to provide any real substance. I have a feeling you won't respond to my last question.
- hadees, on 03/22/2008, -3/+4What am I chopped liver? All this effort I put into your article and I don't even get top billing in the conspiracy theory.
- wpi97, on 03/22/2008, -2/+3"I never said that Jewish groups shouldn't be allowed to propagandize the population, I just said that people should be aware of it."
So, you are just merely stating the facts, without implying anything? Reading your post, I somehow got the impression that you think that it is a terrible thing that there is a piece of software that makes it easier for people to voice their opinions, and that people need to know that this crime is happening right under their noses. But if your only intention is to let people know that such software exists, then I humbly ask for your forgiveness. Please tell us more. Continue to educate the masses. Like what color is the sky? Or what is the airspeed of an unladen swallow? People should know these things. - hadees, on 03/21/2008, -7/+8No I also care about disproving conspiracy theories and freedom of speech.
- thecoolestguy, on 03/23/2008, -2/+3good thing you're here to explain to every one that I'm exaggerating. There is no organized effort by Jewish groups to manipulate public opinion. And even if there is, I shouldn't be talking about it!
- hadees, on 03/21/2008, -3/+4wpi97, I ask because I want to make it clear to other people reading that neocongism and his McCarthyist tactics hold no water. I don't want to sink to his level and get caught up in his pointless name calling which I feel only strengthens my own arguments and makes him look petty and unwilling to debate.
- foopirata, on 03/23/2008, -2/+3you wanna talk about efforts to manipulate public opinion? by all means! down with radio, down with tv, they're only tools in the dissemination of opiates for the masses!
you want to single Jewish groups out of eeeeeeveryone that manipulates public opinion? Then you have a tremendous fear of the bogeyman - perhaps you should try another kind of "manipulation of public opinion", i don't know, either a good psychologist or cageybee's literary examination of the Protocols of Zion suggested in another thread. - neocognitism, on 03/20/2008, -5/+6hadees, anyone can choose to be a sociopath like you and the people who use the megaphone software and other similar PR methods. We choose not to and think that being a sociopath is wrong. Don't you get that, you Ziontologist apologist?
- wpi97, on 03/21/2008, -3/+4I know, I know... Except in this particular case I've lost patience. There is only so much empty demagoguery that I can stand, and neocognitism exceeded that threshold.
- Beveridge89, on 03/20/2008, -7/+7No, you just heavily implied it funded this. In any case, what makes contacting a PR firm like this? What makes it propaganda? Every country have PR campaigns, for a number of reasons. Why is surprising Israel would want to maintain a good image like those other countries?
By the way, I hope you find time to respond to my other post. - hadees, on 03/20/2008, -15/+15Anyone can set up one of these things. The software is called Web Assistant. Go setup an anti-Israel one and stop bitching. It is no different then going to Electronic Intifada and finding articles and polls there.
- thecoolestguy, on 03/21/2008, -5/+5--Booo-wooo, the joooos are organizing! Run for the hills, run for the hills!--
I'm not saying run for the hills, I'm simply informing people that this effort exists, shouldn't people know that the Israeli government is backing an effort to shape opinion in western populations (which send billions of their tax dollars to Israel)? - hadees, on 03/21/2008, -4/+4I am not spearheading a defense of Megaphone. I don't even use that glorified RSS reader. What I am doing is pointing out you aren't fooling anyone by making it into some sort of morally corrupt monster. The simple fact remains that Megaphone is no different then going to a pro-Palestian blog and finding links to articles there.
I will ask you again since you are refused to answer it before. How is Megaphone different from an RSS reader pointing to a Pro-Palestinian blog? And why is it morally wrong to provide real life people with links to articles and polls? - inactive, on 03/23/2008, -2/+1as anit-Israel most digg users seem to be I somehow doubt most of them will fall for this ***** I mean one thing I have to say is they are tech and web savy. Or at least have heard of "Web Assistant" before
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