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- InGenUse, on 12/21/2008, -15/+206Proud to be part of the 20%
- joand315, on 12/21/2008, -13/+118If only the media scrutinized every one of Bush's moves back then the way they scrutinize the president-elect now. The information was out there, if only the media hadn't been so lazy, or hadn't been bought off, both are probably true.
- Harboggles, on 12/21/2008, -8/+109I honestly don't know how he is not impeached...
- novenator, on 12/21/2008, -8/+82Those on the right have always been skilled at propaganda. It is scary how easily people were fooled.
“Naturally the common people don't want war; neither in Russia, nor in England, nor in America, nor in Germany. That is understood. But after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine policy, and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is to tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country.”
-Hermann Goering - sabster, on 12/21/2008, -6/+67i wish people would just remember this.. and not buy all the ***** about how our security would be in jeopardy if we left
- JenniferInMO, on 12/21/2008, -15/+62I remember listening to that speech and thinking that we were about to go to war. I was one of the 20% who was vehemently not in favor of the war and I have never wanted to be wrong in all my life. I believed there were WND, but I was concerned about the fact that we weren't told more specifics. I was very uncomfortable with the fact that we were about to attack a country which had not been aggressive to us (except with words, but then many countries spoke out against America).
When a country goes to war we can't know all of the intelligence that we have. But we should be able to assume that Congress and the other countries in the "coalition" have all reviewed the intelligence and know that we are all in imminent danger of catastrophic proportions. But France, Germany, Russia and many other nations refused to participate. It just didn't sound right. After all, they are all closer in proximity to Iraq than we are.
I was not in favor of unilateral action. Isn't that what the UN was for? Many people where I lived just concluded that the UN was afraid to act. That sounded like a cop out. It didn't make sense. It would have been nice if we would have saved our world from someone with the intent and ability to do catastrophic harm. It would have great to have had the support of a "broad coalition." It would have been great to have been "greeted as liberators." It would have been great to have strategically bombed only military targets and infrastructure crucial to that big powerful army and the feared Republican Guard we were told about.
It would have been great to have had our "Mission Accomplished" in a couple of weeks or even months, instead of occupying a country for years and years. It would have been great to have rebuilt the country and its government so that Iraq could start its newly freed country with running water and some kind of infrastructure in tact. It would have been great to have avoided "collateral damage," instead of killing nearly a million civilians. That all would have been great. I would have loved the "I told you so" from everyone around me. But it wasn't great. 20% of us weren't wrong. Instead we have committed a terrible atrocity, orphaned thousands of children, destroyed and terrorized countless families, initiated a civil war and we have nearly bankrupted our own country in the process. - GovernmentSp00k, on 12/21/2008, -11/+50How do you know when a Bush is lying? His mouth is moving.
I never bought anything these puppet deceivers were selling from the beginning. It's all BUSH *****. Orchestrated deception on the path to war.
I knew it was all a setup. From 9/11, to PNAC, "patriot acts", "department of homeland security" corporation and their 2 Middle East wars. Years in the making.
We are all victims of massive lies, fraud and deceit. Our real "enemies of American freedom and way of life" are never who they tell us.
The Center for Public Integrity has documented at least 935 falsehoods told by W Chimp, inc. and his smirking aides in the run-up to the war: http://projects.publicintegrity.org/WarCard/ http://www.iraqwar.org/adminlies.htm http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=abUrz3xJabw
The shambled US economy on verge of complete collapse. Dozens of "failed banks" nationwide. Multi $TRILLION dollar taxpayer subsidized "bailouts" (aka mass extortion of 300+ million Americans). Massive job layoffs around the country everywhere you turn. Pensions and retirement funds cut. Record unemployment. Foreclosures across every state. No end in sight.
What does this kind of a system do whenever it gets into this kind of a situation?
It goes to war. - inactive, on 12/21/2008, -9/+42look at the mess we are at now!
- sarahlee, on 12/21/2008, -10/+43I was a 20%er as well.
- TrevorPace, on 12/22/2008, -4/+35Being from Canada I remember how much of a veil was being put over the eyes of the American people at the time from both the media and the government.
I would just watch CBC or BBC and you could actually see both sides of the story...especially about how much Bush was abusing the power of the US in the UN. - fuckingusername, on 12/22/2008, -7/+37but really whats more important
1 where the hell is Kaylee
2 whats Brad and Jen doing today
3 did Paris lose her panties last night
4 is your government is completely f@#$ing you over
lets see what the media says......
I have no more faith in mankind... - mikelieman, on 12/22/2008, -4/+33"Manufactured Evidence" == Misrepresenting Material Facts and Conspiracy to Commit Criminal Fraud in violation of 18 USC 317 and 18 USC 1001.
"Nation of Laws" my ass.
Did Charlemagne have as much unrestrained power? - JenniferInMO, on 12/21/2008, -11/+40Me too. I wish it meant something.
- herbertstrasse, on 12/22/2008, -8/+35I was a clueless 14 year old at the time, and I was still able to call *****.
- DubYaSee, on 12/22/2008, -5/+29Not only was I against his private war in Iraq, I have never voted for a Bush.
- muckemuck, on 12/21/2008, -2/+25The scrutiny you're seeing now is merely a distraction. The media won't scrutinize him when the time comes for him to make the moves that he will be directed to make. Obama is no different than the rest of them.
- GovernmentSp00k, on 12/21/2008, -5/+27“Naturally the common people don’t want war. But after all, it is the leaders of a country who determine the policy, and it’s always a simple matter to drag people along whether it is a democracy or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. This is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and for exposing the country to danger. It works the same in every country.” -- Hermann Goering, Hitler’s Reich Marshall
- novenator, on 12/21/2008, -7/+29count me in as one of the 1 in 5
- CrazedLeper, on 12/22/2008, -5/+25You're dangerously stupid. Really. It's frightening.
- ingodwerefucked, on 12/21/2008, -0/+19exactly. it's a distraction from all of the last minute power plays the administration is making, and distraction from the two wars we are in which we hardly ever hear about. if that journalist hadn't thrown his shoes at the bastard we wouldn't have heard about that trip to baghdad at all.
and to say the media is scrutinizing the president-elect is pretty laughable. all of the media coverage he gets is hardly scrutiny, they just do as many stories on him as possible because they want high ratings and they know half the country is obsessed with the man. - pintomp3, on 12/22/2008, -1/+19there were many dissenting voices that either went unheard or were smothered, such as knight ridder and phil donahue. truth is not good business and making news a for-profit venture only ensures that we get this type of cheap journalism and infotainment.
- inactive, on 12/21/2008, -3/+21I'm one of the 80% that will suffer from mental illness at one point or another within my life. I still knew invading Iraq was a crock of ***** though...
- chronically420, on 12/22/2008, -7/+23america: land of the almost free, home of mostly ignorance. and that president along with his cronnies played the idiots well. im glad i can claim i was the smarter 20%, must be embarrassing for the other 80%...half of which probably still don't know.
- ingodwerefucked, on 12/21/2008, -0/+16you can't reserve that statement for the right. the whole thing is a propaganda machine.
- Frnnkdlxx, on 12/22/2008, -8/+23What happens when the American people find out about this:
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/4/8/231839/2192
Saddam offered to abdicate before invasion - mikelieman, on 12/22/2008, -5/+20INDICTED. Criminals are INDICTED by a Grand Jury, arrested, and then arraigned before they are tried in a Court of Law.
The pattern of Overt Acts is clear. Bush is a criminal and all those who support him are Soft on Crime. - jsmithers, on 12/22/2008, -12/+27A REALLY big part of the problem is that Americans (in general) have simply not been able to admit the truth to themselves - have been unwilling even to contemplate it, despite being faced with conclusive evidence (that evidence that does not agree with these conclusions has generally been planted by disinformation specialists purposely to sow the seeds of confusion and doubt about the truth and make people believe the official stories, or should I say fantasies)
The truths being:
1.) That the 2 elections Bush won, were thrown, and were "won" wrongly by him. This is proven.
2.) That 9/11 was an inside job. NOT by the American government, or military, but by a select band of insiders in strategic positions. This is now simply proven beyond doubt, and is an unassailable truth - the weight of evidence is far too great to draw any other conclusion.
3.) That American, and indeed other Western, mainstream media is not independent, on any level, unless trivia is being reported. The CIA has assets in all major news outlets, and a declassified document that Bush reclassified, stated this as fact:
jpeg: http://www.disclosureproject.org/CIA-MemoPage6.htm
pdf of whole doc: http://www.disclosureproject.org/PDF-Documents/CIA ...
text: "PAO [CIA's Public Affairs Office] now has relationships with reporters from every major wire service, newspaper, news weekly, and television network in the nation. This has helped us turn some intelligence failure stories into intelligence success stories, and it has contributed to the accuracy of countless others. In many instances, we have persuaded reporters to postpone, change, hold, or even scrap stories that could have adversely affected national security interests or jeopardized sources and methods.".
Remember Bush senior was head of the CIA.
All these truths need to be accepted by the American people - to discover true recent history, and to avoid this happening again. - Deeh, on 12/21/2008, -15/+30I still want to know what happened on 9/11.
The official story is all messed up, and the only alternative is a host of internet theories...it seems like everyone just gave up on trying to figure it out, and if you do you get called names and belittled.
Are people really going to let the official story be written in history books when almost everyone knows that isn't what happened? - inactive, on 12/22/2008, -1/+15Yes, Bush has done so much. But unfortunately all of it has been wrong, corrupt, incompetent and incredibly damaging.
- BotchaMcCoola, on 12/22/2008, -4/+18I admire all of you 20%-ers as I was taken in completely and that explains the rage I have now about it. Let us turn our attention next to demanding justification for the Afghanistan foolishness. 911 was not a military attack and no military response was appropriate - any more that WWI was appropriate in response to the outrageous assassination of Archduke Franz Ferdinand and his wife in Serbia. There may still be 911 calibre terrorists types somewhere. Killing all those low level landlocked militias like Taliban and Iraqis would only fuel any Mohammad Attas that may still be out there.
- helenkupo, on 12/22/2008, -4/+18I remember arguing with my family about the fact that the people that hit us on 9/11 were not from Iraq. No one believed me even though it was very very obvious that Sadam Hussein and Al Qaeda were two seperate issues. It took 8 years of Bush in office to get them to believe me.
- Darkkish, on 12/22/2008, -1/+15@JimmySpaza your other posts are absolutely ridiculous and asinine.
You are a genuine idiot.
Seriously. If you think Faux News is the only station that provides the truth, why is it also the only station who's stories often don't match up with any other stations, who all usually seem to be in agreement? - BotchaMcCoola, on 12/22/2008, -0/+13Akeldama: You are very confused if you think the 911 terrorists represented a military threat like Imperial Japan and Nazi Germany. As far as I can tell, WWII was not avoidable for us. Both their world-class militaries had attacked us. Why is this so hard to understand for some of you? Either that or you are profiting from the rip-off of taxpayers.
- scavbh, on 12/22/2008, -7/+20Bush lied , people died.
- teraken, on 12/22/2008, -1/+14Your video proved absolutely nothing, congratulations. Hillary Clinton is one Democrat. And as chewy's diagram points out, 62% of the yes votes in the Senate and 73% of the House yes votes were from Republicans. Good attempt at trying to shift the blame though.
- darthjure, on 12/22/2008, -3/+16You're saying if a person wasn't fooled by the president they're a liberal? If you weren't fooled by the president you're a socialist? Do conservatives have no ability to discern the truth? Obviously, some conservatives did not think we had necessary cause to go to war with Iraq.
- PoizonFrog, on 12/22/2008, -1/+14On those qualifications, you probably respect child molesters, also.
- garryw, on 12/22/2008, -9/+21Dont forget, all those left wing democrats voted for this to happen, they could have told him to take a hike in congress. Bet you 20 bucks if Obama was a senator at that time, he would have gone with the herd. We will factually never know how he would have voted.
- GovernmentSp00k, on 12/21/2008, -4/+16The left right paradigm is fake.
A divide & conquer mechanism. Keep us separated, fighting amongst ourselves over non-issues and petty, meaningless bull *****. They tag team us and they run nothing. They work for a global syndicate of ruthless mobsters.
Americas predicament is way past the mind-numbing ***** of this is "left" or "right" or meaningless "conservative vs liberal" garbage. America is under a domestic fascist assault..
Sometimes we don't even need to hear what is on the controlled "news".. we are being spoon fed of what they think we should believe in.
America is controlled by what the government wants you to think. They tell you through the media. The media is controlled by the same big family that profits from war.
Seems like every thing's hitting the fan at once, doesn't it? Silly Americans, one step away from true democracy and another one towards fascism. Is Dancing With the Stars on yet? Pass the butter. Eisenhower warned us to beware of the military industrial complex back in 1961. Look what America has de-volved into now. A shell of what it once was. Raped by neoCON men and PNAC war profiteers. Mired in the Middle East on LIES, tricked into endless war and bloodshed fighting somebody elses wars on a hostile corporate takeover. Our Constitution hanging by a thread, spit on and legislated away into oblivion for anti-American "patriot acts" and an ultra corrupt "department of homeland security" gestapo by dual citizenship zionist traitors. Westernization is softly killing other cultures. And MASS MEDIA is their weapon of choice. The new Hitler has returned... not in body but in spirit.
"If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. 'The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth becomes the greatest enemy of the state." - Dr. Joseph M. Goebbels - Hitler's propaganda minister
"Never forget that everything Hitler did in Germany was legal."
~ Martin Luther King, Jr. - mikelieman, on 12/22/2008, -0/+1222. Once BUSH became the Republican candidate in the 2000 presidential election campaign, he and CHENEY informed the general public that they would be reluctant to use military force and did not believe that the United States should engage in "nation-building."
23. On and after January 20, 2001, BUSH and CHENEY caused to be appointed as senior foreign policy advisors and consultants, at least thirty-four persons who had publicly endorsed the PNAC principles of United States global preeminence and use of force to "punish" or "threaten to punish" emerging threats from weapons of mass destruction ("WMD") or impediments to United States access to oil in the Middle East. Of those appointees, eighteen had also publicly advocated forcibly removing Saddam Hussein.
24. In late December 2000, BUSH and CHENEY advised outgoing President William J. Clinton and others that, among potential foreign policy issues, BUSH's primary concern was Iraq.
25. On February 11, 2001, BUSH ordered the first airstrikes since 1998 to be conducted outside of the United Nations ("UN") agreed-upon No-Fly zones, to get Saddam Hussein's "attention."
26. The Attacks of September 11, 2001. On September 11, 2001, nineteen men hijacked four commercial airplanes. They crashed two planes into the World Trade Towers in New York City and another into the Pentagon in Washington, DC. The fourth plane crashed in Pennsylvania. In total, nearly 3,000 people died as a result of the September 11, 2001, attacks ("9/11").
27. Shortly afterward, United States intelligence agencies determined that 9/11 was the work of the terrorist organization al Qaeda, spearheaded by Osama Bin Laden. Fifteen of the nineteen hijackers were from Saudi Arabia, two from Yemen, and two from Lebanon. This information, along with the conclusion that no evidence linked Saddam Hussein to the attacks or al Qaeda, was immediately communicated to BUSH, CHENEY, RICE, RUMSFELD, POWELL, and others.
28. BUSH-CHENEY administration members began discussing an invasion of Iraq immediately after 9/11. BUSH, RUMSFELD and others also assigned various subordinates, including former counterterrorism czar Richard Clarke, CIA Director George Tenet, and General Richard Meyers to look for intelligence that could justify attacking Saddam Hussein's regime.
29. On September 17, 2001, BUSH secretly ordered the formulation of preliminary plans for an invasion of Iraq, while admitting to his aides that no evidence existed to justify an attack. - inactive, on 12/21/2008, -4/+16all you write sounds great, whatever.
Now, if you REALLY care, go to your congressman and ask him/her to impeach Bush, we still have a month.
even better, get him to justice, jail. - Foamator, on 12/22/2008, -2/+14@JimmySpaza
Uhh... /sarcasm?
*Reads his other posts*
:S - kyoobeh, on 12/22/2008, -6/+18jackson0909, you understand that A LOT of what we have in America is already socialized?
police, fire department, interstates....
shut the ***** up about socialism, you're a ***** idiot - junkwheel, on 12/22/2008, -2/+13*definitely true.
Fox wasn't just bought out, they acted as a straight up propaganda machine for the administration. Nothing less. - junkwheel, on 12/22/2008, -3/+14Wrong.
George Bush wanted war with Iraq BEFORE 911.
George Bush looked for reasons to go to war with Iraq. When people in his administration didn't come back with them he sent them right back looking.
He actively sought war. He was not interested in any other option at all. Since the only thing he had in mind was invading the country.
Look at the 'International Coalition' in Iraq. The US, a handful from the UK, and a scraping of randomness from a bunch of obscure countries who did it to get something out of it from the US.
If you really think all the intelligence agencies of the developed nations in the world though Iraq was a threat, don't you think they might have helped? - teraken, on 12/22/2008, -2/+13I wasn't aware that the Democrats were in power back in 2002.
- nightManCometh, on 12/22/2008, -1/+11Eh, I remember how they had Colin Powell presenting all those satellite photos of 'weapons manufacturing plants.'
- algaeturd, on 12/22/2008, -5/+15"The people' have all the evidence they need but still everyone is too afraid to stand up and charge this man with what he did: lying to the american people, lying to the global community, starting an unconstitutional war, forging evidence to congress and this country.
There will NEVER be justice in this country, ever again until we can make the obvious, glaring wrongs right.
Worse, I think nobody cares that hundreds of thousands of people were killed, many brave american military men and women for ABSOLUTELY NOTHING.
And still...nobody cares. - MelvinSchlubman, on 12/22/2008, -1/+11WhiteRaven, remove the blinders. The Bush admin pressured the security agencies to twist and spin the intelligence enuf to fool us into a war of choice.
"...He described the situation as it was believed to be by the intelligence agencies..."
How can you not see how naive you sound? - greenvortex, on 12/22/2008, -0/+10It was clear to me exactly what the speech meant: We are invading. The decision is already made. The corporate coup is complete. I remember vividly the claim about the uranium, and the look on my wife's face. "If that's true.." she said. "It doesn't matter if it is true or not", I said. "We can't afford a second war. We can't afford the war we're already in. This will wreck our entire economy and piss off the whole world." Still, even I didn't predict it would also be the excuse for eviscerating our civil rights. But I knew, in that moment, that this was the end of the America I loved.
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