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- inactive, on 10/10/2007, -25/+79No more money for Democrats. Do not donate a single penny. This is why I worked to take back both Houses last year, and they repay me with passing this piece of ***** bill! No more money, I suggest anyone else who was thinking of donating to a Democrat to keep it.
- ParatusRH, on 10/10/2007, -39/+87WOW. If you get all your info from Crooks and Liars, no wonder you are depressed! What this bill did was fix a flaw in the law that a federal judge found. Basically, about 40-60% of all country to country calls in the world pass through the US's telecom network. A judge ruled that because of the wording of the law, such calls (Armenia to Syria for example) required a warrant if they passed through the US. The new bill changed the wording to indicate that only US to US calls require a warrant.
This is a disastrous erosion of our liberties? I don't think so. - cashroll, on 10/10/2007, -21/+60...........that really sucks.
it just keeps getting worse and worse.... - jkbowman, on 10/10/2007, -18/+53Free Nation, RIP
- imjustabill, on 10/10/2007, -15/+49Headline is entirely false. Unless "you and I" are both outside of the country making phone calls to each other, this law didn't change anything. Take 5 mins to read the bill before you post idiotic sensationalist headlines.
- kakwakas, on 10/10/2007, -14/+30Buried as inaccurate..
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=s110-2011
It didn't make it past the Senate. Nothing to worry about, move along. :] - trekkie, on 10/10/2007, -0/+15Well what do you do for the 183 that voted no but lost anyway? My representative is democrat and he voted no (Brad Miller, NC's 13th district). I would think no money for the republicans and the few democrats that voted yes. I'd also recommend the firing of all those that didn't vote at all.
- Ansible, on 10/10/2007, -9/+24This gives the NSA and pals a good excuse to put wiretapping equipment into every phone exchange to catch these nternational calls and international internet communications. Skype, email, whatever, it will all have to be tapped and instrumented to catch those vital communiques passing through the US. Hey, guess what? That gives the intelligence guys the ability to tap everything. Sure they're legally bound to ONLY look at foreign-to-foreign communication. You think that will prevent them from looking at everyones emails and etc? Yeah right.
- TyroPyro, on 10/10/2007, -0/+15http://www.nytimes.com/2007/08/06/washington/06nsa.html?ei=5065&en=4e05f95a4b60ac78&ex=1187064000&partner=MYWAY&pagewanted=print
It covers Americans talking to foreigners too. If the NSA thinks you are emailing/talking to someone outside the country that is a suspect to them, they can wiretap your calls and read your emails. There is no court oversight. Read the article, your comment is wrong. - inactive, on 10/10/2007, -13/+27crooksandliars.com, sounds like an objective name to me. No agenda there.
- Scheissen, on 10/10/2007, -1/+14≠
- TyroPyro, on 10/10/2007, -2/+14http://www.nytimes.com/2007/08/06/washington/06nsa.html?ei=5065&en=4e05f95a4b60ac78&ex=1187064000&partner=MYWAY&pagewanted=print
It covers Americans talking to foreigners too. If the NSA thinks you are emailing/talking to someone outside the country that is a suspect to them, they can wiretap your calls and read your emails. There is no court oversight. Read the article, your comment is wrong. - bitcloud, on 10/10/2007, -2/+13Damn... you cracked the agenda...
I'll let you in on a secret... it's secretly run by people who don't want crooks and liars in office... - inactive, on 10/10/2007, -2/+12The spying is done through automated equiment making it easy to track anyone.
Many times in history, the party in power has spied on opposition. In this case, Bush has the ability to spy on everyone in the US, keep the real use hidden, and quite possibly use it to blackmail our representatives. Why do you think so many Congressmen rolled over? A considerable number are being blackmailed already. You don't think so? How many are clean? How many have been driven out of office so far for pedophilia, corruption, or other crimes? How many are left?
As long as there is no impartial oversight of Bush wiretapping, we can assume that the same Rove mechanism that established an alternative channel for emails in the White House, to hide discussions of firing attorneys, and in opposition to law requiring those emails to be kept, will most certainly make the time to have the automated equipment track all our lawmakers.
Do you really trust Cheney and Karl Rove to be honest? I have a bridge to sell you then. Cheap, good deal. Buy now. - thefirstenemy, on 10/10/2007, -2/+12I'm very happy that my representative voted against it. But, you probably wanted to like to http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2007/roll836.xml which is where it actually shows how they voted.
- Tiak, on 10/10/2007, -2/+10Hmm, I assume people are digging you down (at -2 when I wrote this comment) because you used an unpopular "not equals" expression... Next time either use "!=", or evaluate individuals based upon those they identify with, not their actual choices!
- Beaver6813, on 10/10/2007, -1/+9Why didn't Ron Paul vote against the bill? He abstained, http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2007/roll836.xml, why? (I'm guessing that Paul is Ron Paul)
- rnwen2750, on 10/10/2007, -6/+13It's okay, I wasn't using them anyways.
- NikoKun, on 10/10/2007, -1/+8VERY good video!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OtWF-fOjBWQ
Wow, I'm glad they posted that... at least SOME people see things... - etandrib, on 10/10/2007, -0/+7Did you really believe that a Democratic congress would help anymore than a Republican congress… HAHAH! They sure have you fooled.
- Tiak, on 10/10/2007, -6/+13Yes, it's apparently gotten worse 6 times in the last 24 hours, each time a variant of this story hit the front page.
- rnwen2750, on 10/10/2007, -7/+13Actions taken by a democratic congress =/= to those that all democrats would make.
- Tiak, on 10/10/2007, -4/+10It closed a loophole in a law that prevented people from wiretapping without warrants... No, no civil liberties lost at all anywhere, foreigners don't have rights!
- ddxChrist, on 10/10/2007, -2/+8Since people are complaining about the source, try this article: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/6931776.stm
- TyroPyro, on 10/10/2007, -2/+8It really does. Even with a Democratic congress things still are going downhill. Can much more stuff get ruined before Nov 2008?
- Vicissidude, on 10/10/2007, -9/+14Anyone else notice that the tally of the vote has been hidden on the Congressional websites? You can not look up how your Senator voted in this legislation. The results for the bill (S. 1927) is not listed anywhere. http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d110:SN01927:@@@S
- cmatthes1, on 10/10/2007, -0/+5You could already wiretap a US citizen without a warrant as long as you got one within 72 hours. Bush didn't bother with the actually getting a warrant part.
- gojeda, on 10/10/2007, -3/+8Socialist Europe has more cameras watching their citizens than we do.
***** the socialists. - GravitySpec, on 10/10/2007, -0/+5People missed the "House Passes" because of the sensationalist "American Civil Liberties Destroyed" part...
- hiphoc, on 10/10/2007, -0/+5I think what snoolyagain was trying to say is that we should not trust governments period. Sometimes when people criticize Israel folks think its anti Semitic. No, its the government they are criticizing. And yea, some of the spying has been outsourced to Israel, and yes Chertoff is an Israeli citizen. If you think you or I could go to another country ally or not and get into a high level gov't position you would be smoking something. Snoolyagain makes some good points. So when he says Israel think, crooked government, just like when people say Americans they think crooked government. The political and business elite of this world are royally ***** over the lower 99%. Meanwhile they have the lower 99% focused on Barry Bonds, Bench it like Beckham, Lindsay Lohan. God forbid we focus on the fact that the political and business elite are bleeding us dry right now. And yea, every candidate except for Paul and maybe Tancredo has gone to AIPAC to let them know what their palns and intentions are if they get elected. Folks, we have moles in our gov't, traitors all around us from many nations. if anyone here reads the bible its called Babylon the Great Whore. As long as you have money and connections in the good old US of A, you can get whatever u want, even if you want to destroy the country.
- Tiak, on 10/10/2007, -2/+7Is there any particular reason "you and I" couldn't both live outside of the US?... Believe it or not many diggers aren't American... But of course, their rights don't matter...
- insanebrain, on 10/10/2007, -0/+5If the topic wasn't so serious. . .your remark would be funny :/
- n00854180t, on 10/10/2007, -2/+7Yeah, too bad it's already been shown they're also spying on Americans that have no overseas ties etc etc. Get a freaking clue.
- ScrewedThePooch, on 10/10/2007, -1/+6I'm voting against all incumbents. This congress is not only a disgrace to America, but the people in it are a disgrace to humanity. ***** this cronyism *****. Get EVERYONE out!
- NikoKun, on 10/10/2007, -3/+7Can't trust most people in the main parties... We just voted in the wrong idiots apparently... Neither most the Republicans nor most the Democrats, know how to protect our constitutional rights... -_- it's sad...
- inactive, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4This is definitely a case of the dog being wagged by its tail. Our interventionist Mid East policy, the war in Iraq, the recent weapons deal are all the realizations of ideas written by Podhoretz, Wolfowitz and the rest of the Israeli heroes who masterminded the neocon hijacking of the Republican party.
However, people are very nervous to speak about this because dissent is squelched immediately by invoking the magic word: antisemitism - AZinferno, on 10/10/2007, -1/+5Nice to see that the Democrats are keeping their promises to stand up to Bush, end corruption in Congress, and bring our troops home.... At least the Republicans are up front about it.
- afruff23, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4I'd like to know as well. Could "not voting?" also mean they were not present?
- Tiak, on 10/10/2007, -2/+6How is warranties wiretapping even remotely related to the military-industrial complex?...
- bitcloud, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4what the whitehouse does before then is what's really important...
- Zarubi, on 10/10/2007, -7/+11Hopefully the Senate can continue to keep this bill dead.
And please go read 1984 if you never have. - imjustabill, on 10/10/2007, -2/+6Er, I guess I should say that this article didn't have to do with the Senate's vote, that was a few days ago.
- holzp, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4V jbhyq gryy lbh ohg gura V jbhyq unir gb xvyy lbh.
- darkskinfan87, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/08/03/AR2007080302296.html?hpid%3Dtopnews&sub=ARarticle
The Senate did vote. - KibibyteBrain, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4The cool oldschool < > is always fun! Evaluate true when a is less than and greater than b. How the hackers of yore didn't need any specific "not equals" operator...(no space intended between them, but digg filters out the unspaced version)
- NidStyles, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4First they came for the communists, but I am not a communist.......
You know the rest. - nkassi, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4They do it's called echelon
- bitcloud, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4"The term military-industrial complex usually refers to the combination of the U.S. armed forces, arms industry and associated political and commercial interests"
sounds pretty closely related to me... - p0tent1al, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4Just because there is an apparent answer doesn't mean you anti-Paul fans can jump on the slander bandwagon. Ron Paul has never dodged a question, and if you asked him he would probably give you an upfront answer, especially seeing as how he has continuously voted libertarian (meaning voted in favor of the constitution), which is what America is founded on.
- WilliamDavis, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4Um, and I'm agreeing with you, but anyone on the internet is most likely communicating with networks outside their country. With no court oversight, this sounds like one big ass blank check that can be twisted any way they like.
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